00:06:35 *** drwoollynipples has quit (Client exited) 00:21:46 good evening gentlement 00:21:49 *men 00:26:06 ohai twitchyliquid64 00:26:11 hai 00:26:15 as you might have noticed, our main hub is out of commision again 00:26:23 yep 00:26:32 who needs it anyway 00:26:41 well, it sort of has the services on it 00:26:41 lol 00:26:51 either way, you were aware of logging right? 00:26:54 I forgot who I informed 00:27:38 yes, you told me 00:28:51 okay :P 00:28:53 *** BELLA_Relay has quit (Connection reset by peer) 01:02:26 *** kr0x (kr0x@cryto-9959EDA4.santrex.net) has joined #crytocc 01:03:02 Hi again. 01:08:56 ohai 01:22:20 Finaly kickstarter is working. 01:37:03 *** kr0x has quit (User quit: Saliendo) 02:17:38 joepie91:) did you have an archive of the cryptoanarchy wiki? 02:23:13 yes 02:23:17 http://joepie91.archivingyoursh.it/ 02:23:42 I dont get NSFW 02:23:53 twitchyliquid64: ? 02:24:00 NSFW 02:24:18 as in, you don't know what it means? 02:24:29 Not Safe For Work or Not Safe For Wife (usually the former) 02:24:33 well, i know what it stand for 02:24:37 I just dont see the point 02:24:41 ? 02:24:50 is there a public warc viewer? 02:24:54 flyingpenis: warc-proxy 02:24:58 danke 02:24:58 it's on github 02:25:10 probably http://github.com/alard/warc-proxy 02:25:11 or something 02:25:22 yeah 02:26:22 whats WARC? 02:27:26 targz with a fuckload of extra metadata 02:27:34 whats TARGZ? 02:27:35 is it tar.gz? 02:27:42 I thought it was an ARC derivative 02:27:48 Whats ARC? 02:27:52 oh, is it? I always assumed it was a targz 02:27:54 jesus christ twitchyliquid64 02:27:54 google 02:27:54 twitchyliquid64:) google 02:28:01 whats google? 02:28:06 :P 02:28:08 I'm not a /usr/bin/dict 02:28:54 ARC = Australian Research Council? 02:29:17 ahh, arc makes sense haha 02:29:20 WARC = Shortwave radio bands? 02:29:38 or maybe the marketing service called warc 02:29:58 And im not getting anything relevant for TARGZ 02:30:01 so guise 02:30:03 what are they? 02:30:21 (hint: short acronyms almost never qualify as decent search terms) 02:31:24 dude, it's not an acronym 02:31:29 it's a file extension 02:31:39 and warc is not targz, it's an iso standard 02:31:44 ISO 28500:2009 02:32:03 twitchyliquid64: you're just lazyhttp://owely.com/41klMsp 02:32:06 The WARC (Web ARChive) file format offers a convention for concatenating multiple resource records (data objects), each consisting of a set of simple text headers and an arbitrary data block into one long file. The WARC format is an extension of the ARC File Format [ARC] that has traditionally been used to store "web crawls" as sequences of content blocks harvested from the World Wide Web. 02:32:08 lazy http://owely.com/41klMsp * 02:36:44 motherfucking recursive portupgrade, damn 02:37:36 ahh shit I just rebuilt erlang. I really need to rm that. 02:39:12 (is this the moment where you start hating bsd?) 02:40:40 Nah, it's the moment where I start hating zach for installing an xmpp server, failing to get it working, removing it, and not all the bullshit packages it drug in too. 02:40:54 lol 02:43:07 I still love bsd 02:43:20 It's an unnatural love, I know, but I love it. 02:43:51 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 02:44:09 sadly zach's trying to move everything to ubuntu server (because it's "easy") 02:44:16 I'm refusing to let my server be converted 02:44:51 I'm trying to decide if I want to convince him to change it to openbsd... but that means he wouldn't be able to admin it at all, because he doesn't know shit about openbsd 02:45:27 (not that that is a bad thing. love me some admin work) 02:55:58 :P 02:57:39 *** drwoollynipples (doctor@cryto-58D901ED.privacyfoundation.ch) has joined #crytocc 03:03:23 *** drwoollynipples has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** maxQ has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** evilworks has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** ryan has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** flyingpenis has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** Kitko has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** jamesbt has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** AppleJack has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** Tron has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** lady-3jane has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** smithsonian has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** truetravesty has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** HiveResearch has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** IR601 has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** shikat has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:23 *** Matrix has quit (haless.cryto.net second-nexus.cryto.net) 03:03:52 * joepie91 waits 03:04:00 *** truetravesty (truetraves@truetravesty.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:04:00 *** smithsonian (vi.veri@veniversum.vivus.vici) has joined #crytocc 03:04:00 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:04:00 *** Tron (Tron01010@cryto-ED09510A.thedimi.net) has joined #crytocc 03:04:07 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@D3CF5EC.9F32FB1E.57B9DF22.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:04:07 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:04:07 *** IR601 (IR601@cryto-68B0D61F.terrori.se) has joined #crytocc 03:04:07 *** shikat (shikat@cryto-6540B885.yourvserver.net) has joined #crytocc 03:04:07 *** Matrix (hackbook@4DD35523.6464AF6B.F0DF4C69.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:28:40 *** drwoollynipples (doctor@cryto-58D901ED.privacyfoundation.ch) has joined #crytocc 03:28:40 *** maxQ (john@maxQ.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:28:40 *** evilworks (evilworks@cryto-8A2A252C.dynamic.amis.hr) has joined #crytocc 03:28:40 *** flyingpenis (flyingpeni@flyingpenis.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:28:40 *** Kitko (Kitko@7DEAE20A.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:28:40 *** jamesbt (jamesbt@E62F62BC.DCD17C32.959A841C.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:28:40 *** AppleJack (ja@cryto-A18B0645.drama.tw) has joined #crytocc 03:28:48 there we go 03:28:50 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AnkP_cVZTCMLIzw4DvsW6M8Q2JC0lIzrTLuoWu2z1BE/edit 03:28:52 BitcoinX is an idea to separate the bitcoin network (technology) from the value of a currency (community) using the bitcoin network to clear transaction and avoid double spending. 03:28:52 BitcoinX aims to provide an easy way to create different currencies on top of the bitcoin network 03:29:05 this is either really good or really bad 03:29:12 why do we need extra currencies? 03:29:18 twitchyliquid64: read the paper 03:29:50 WILCO 03:30:14 also http://i.imgur.com/qPaXcpS.png 03:33:18 As The Rush Comes (Gabriel & Dresden Chill Out Mix) 03:33:18 by Motorcycle 03:36:34 *** ryan (h@cryto-7D39AC80.static.srsvps.com) has joined #crytocc 03:38:57 joepie91:) https://github.com/jsebrech/php-o 03:40:29 lady-3jane: huh, interesting 03:40:32 where'd you find it 03:40:42 hackernews 03:48:21 you can't fix PHP 03:48:26 especially not with PHP 03:48:29 LOOOOOL 03:49:10 I'd be inclined to agree 03:53:27 *** Tron has quit (Ping timeout) 03:53:40 I've read every line of WP code to see if it could be used for login account management (users have a separate account for their financial data in the postgre DB) and I haven't found any problems. In fact they protect very well against sqli attacks 03:55:03 Besides you cant inject to the api I'm building through WP because the api uses PDO. 03:56:38 So I thik it's much easier to use WP as the engine for the user data and login account management as opposed to reinventing the wheel. The API that manages all user financial related functionality is not vulnerable. 03:57:42 "reinventing the wheel" = http://pastie.org/private/aozruzv2p6tykrybczzgg 03:57:49 user system 03:57:51 you're welcome 03:59:15 joepie91: ETA on CrytoTeam? :P 04:00:12 *** maxQ has quit (Ping timeout) 04:02:00 when it's done 04:02:06 *** maxQ (john@cryto-D181503A.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 04:02:15 * twitchyliquid64 throws a form at joepie91 04:02:57 lol 04:05:02 *** pjtyler (pjtyler@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 04:05:14 hellooooooo bot! 04:06:08 * joepie91 throws a display: block; at twitchyliquid64 04:06:25 *** pjtyler has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 04:07:04 * twitchyliquid64 throws a defer panic() at joepie91 04:07:17 DON'T DO THAT 04:07:21 IT FUCKS UP MY SHIT 04:07:22 D: 04:09:16 all you need then is a defer recover() 04:09:17 :D 04:10:20 nerds 04:20:36 Paradise (Tiesto Remix) 04:20:36 by Coldplay 04:20:36 on Princess Of China - EP 04:21:02 NP: [Yes - Owner Of A Lonely Heart] [FABRICLIVE.33] [852kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 04:21:10 * lady-3jane wrote a script for that shit 04:25:15 Paradise remix 04:25:17 is awesome 04:47:04 Eyes 04:47:04 by Kaskade 04:47:17 joepie91:) you up? services are down :( 04:49:07 oh 04:49:08 fuck 04:49:09 sorry 04:49:09 sec 04:49:19 hub was rebooted 04:49:21 forgot to restart services 04:49:21 ._. 04:49:36 *** SpaghettiCode changed the topic to: "Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Online Flash IDE: http://wonderfl.net/about/ | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz" 04:49:36 *** SpaghettiCode (pasta@code.bonanza) has joined #crytocc 04:49:39 there we go 04:49:46 apologies 04:50:08 I'm a federal agent 04:52:32 oh look a paramecium. 04:54:02 It's cool :) 05:10:35 okay 05:10:39 it's time for a PHP WTF 05:10:42 http://codepad.org/k1FyZKa8 05:10:49 like, really, PHP? 05:11:30 how the hell does the " in that expanded variable not act as a string delimiter 05:13:19 because lulz 05:14:16 I seriously don't even 05:14:48 probably for the same reason that sometimes $variables aren't variables 05:14:52 e.e 05:21:41 I'll never forget meeting Deadmau5. 05:22:17 That was one of the best nights of my life. I also acquired a new girlfriend that night. ;) 05:22:27 did you buy her? 05:23:31 Lol you think so highly of me. And no. 05:24:01 nah, you just said acquired which I say when I buy or steal something 05:24:37 Accumulated might be abetter word. 05:24:58 that sounds scarier. 05:25:02 anyway 05:25:02 sleep 05:25:03 night all 05:25:26 l8r 05:26:00 How, exactly, do you accumulate women? 05:28:13 I tell em I want em to by my girlfriend. Duh. 05:28:20 be* 05:28:45 The Longest Road (Deadmau5 Remix Radio Edit) 05:28:45 by Morgan Page 05:28:56 NP: [Purity Ring - Lofticries] [Shrines] [2665kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 05:29:39 woot woot 05:29:41 NP: [Movits - Fel Del Av GÃ¥rden] [Äppelknyckarjazz] [896kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 05:29:55 swedish hipster rap! 05:29:56 :D 05:38:16 NP: [Ugly Duckling - Dumb it Down] [Taste the Secret] [910kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 05:42:35 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:55:33 I Will Be Here (Tiesto Remix) 05:55:33 by Tiesto 05:55:33 on Kaleidoscope (Remixed) 05:57:49 Fire In Your New Shoes 05:57:49 by Kaskade 05:57:49 on Dynasty 06:16:22 Why this no work? http://jsfiddle.net/x4MWN/2/ 06:19:57 NVM its working there now but still not working on the site. 06:30:09 NP: [Marilyn Manson - This Is The New Shit] [Lest We Forget: The Best Of] [1001kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 06:40:49 NP: [Midival Punditz - Bhangra Fever (Piyush Bhatnagar Remix)] [Transnational Dubstep] [979kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 06:52:48 best comment ever 06:52:55 "Look again! Your botnet is now diamonds!" 07:13:19 *** naSignal (onSams@naSignal.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:15:32 *** drwoollynipples has quit (Client exited) 08:08:18 Stickam is closing!!! FTW! 08:11:45 lol 08:11:47 :sad panda: 08:21:13 you're giving some seriously mixed messages 09:03:40 *** maxQ has quit (Ping timeout) 09:04:20 *** naSignal has quit (User quit: Me outa here) 09:06:43 *** maxQ (john@maxQ.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:11:06 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 09:39:07 chut ap 09:49:35 Fucking nigger press is pissing me off. 10:51:49 *** Divinite (divinite@cryto-1C145D2E.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net) has joined #crytocc 11:04:31 *** Divinite has quit (User quit: Sarah has left :() 11:21:36 *** Matrix has quit (Ping timeout) 11:22:25 *** Matrix (hackbook@4DD35523.6464AF6B.F0DF4C69.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:05:03 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 12:06:26 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 12:16:59 wh1t3r4bb1t: elaborate on how you picked up a girl when chilling with Deadmau5 :P 12:19:06 *** sdm (nil@sdm.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:23:42 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:26:19 I wasn't chill'n with Deadmau5. I just met him that same night. It was before he was huge at a rave in Las Vegas. I was on molly and I saw him standing there next to the stage entrance without his mau5 head. I said what's up bro. And he said "What's up!". Then I said this is a fucking bad ass show. He said, "I know.". Then he disappeared and came back with his mau5 head and was like "Are you ready?" And I was like, "Hahaha I 12:26:19 knew you were part of the show somehow!" He just walked up the side stairs to the stage putting his mau5 head on as he went. Everyone went nuts and then I started hanging out with the girl I mentioned who I liked since I saw her at my friend's house. We hooked up that night and went home together and hooked up some more and ended up dating for like 8 months. 12:28:23 Joel is just a dud who makes music. Just like I do. It wasn't awkward or anything we just said a few words to each other and then he did his thing. 12:28:29 dude* 12:44:53 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Client exited) 14:10:12 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 14:35:51 *** sdm has quit (Ping timeout) 15:08:21 Stickam is closing!!! FTW! 15:08:22 really? 15:26:03 * lady-3jane wobbles 15:26:24 got up early, did my health assignment. Now back to sleep for the entire class. 15:31:50 lol lady-3jane 15:39:05 yup 15:39:08 it's fucking health 15:39:27 multicultural health even, so it's 1/4 interesting instead of 1/10th 15:40:57 this is interesting: http://www.medicaljane.com/exposed-the-full-story-behind-why-marijuana-is-illegal-and-classified-as-a-schedule-1-drug/?fb_action_ids=10151482658716420&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={%2210151482658716420%22%3A139290696230747}&action_type_map={%2210151482658716420%22%3A%22og.likes%22}&action_ref_map 15:43:18 does it talk about hearst? 15:43:38 one of my teachers in highschool gave us a full history on it 15:43:46 when he wasn't.... on duty as a teacher 15:43:51 because that can get you fired 15:43:52 e.e 15:44:00 yes, yes it does talk about hearst 15:44:04 (promoting drug use or something) 15:44:05 and, not surprised 15:44:06 good 15:44:08 :D 15:44:18 haha 15:44:22 dupont, hearst, paper 15:44:24 yeah it's all here 15:44:25 good 16:13:36 flyingpenis: 16:13:40 While it's hard to understate the potential significance of the startup's ACE accreditation, it hasn't been all sunshine, moonbeams and periwinkles for Coursera. The platform recently suffered its first big disaster — an ironic one, to boot — when one of its courses crashed just one week in and has subsequently been suspended. And what was that course, you ask? Why it was the "Fundamentals of Online Education: 16:13:40 Planning and Application," of course. Oh, the bittersweet irony. 16:13:47 lol'd 17:02:02 *** ebola has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 17:02:02 *** evilworks has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 17:02:02 *** flyingpenis has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 17:02:02 *** Kitko has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 17:02:02 *** jamesbt has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 17:02:02 *** AppleJack has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 17:03:54 *** Chasenet (Chasenet@Chasenet.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:32:41 I'm getting less and less impressed by the CC network every day 18:32:49 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:32:49 *** evilworks (evilworks@cryto-8A2A252C.dynamic.amis.hr) has joined #crytocc 18:32:49 *** flyingpenis (flyingpeni@flyingpenis.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:32:49 *** Kitko (Kitko@7DEAE20A.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:32:49 *** jamesbt (jamesbt@E62F62BC.DCD17C32.959A841C.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:32:49 *** AppleJack (ja@cryto-A18B0645.drama.tw) has joined #crytocc 18:32:58 so 18:33:16 Riemann monitors distributed systems. http://riemann.io/ 18:33:30 really does sound like an open-source new relic kind of thing 18:34:01 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 18:36:02 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:37:30 *** R4mJ (R4mJ@4A002433.DAFD7E0C.28459380.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:37:46 hi 18:38:30 hai 18:39:00 sei italiano? 18:39:33 no, this is generally speaking an English-speaking channel 18:39:38 I think we do have one or two Italian users around though 18:40:25 so you understand italaian language then you are italian ;) 18:41:25 is it? ;) 18:42:42 personally, I'm just fairly good at reading things in languages I don't necessarily speak 18:42:43 :) 18:43:01 * joepie91 is not Italian, nor does he speak Italian 18:44:51 ) however sorry for the later but i'm speaking with telnet client XD because i'm at school XD 18:45:40 heh, classy 18:45:45 :) 18:45:51 have you considered using a web-based client? 18:46:13 there's http://irc.lc/cryto/crytocc as web-based client for example 18:46:27 LOL why do you write this? :D 18:47:25 ? 18:47:37 i can't becouausae is not sure 18:48:59 and some websites are locked :) 18:49:14 lol telnet 18:49:42 are you there? :D 18:50:29 ahh, in that sense 18:50:29 LOL 18:50:32 well, this one probably isn't 18:50:38 (blocked) 18:51:43 *** R4mJ has quit (Client exited) 18:52:20 detention lol 19:01:03 nah 19:01:06 I think he forgot to PONG 19:01:07 lol 19:02:51 loggy, pointer 19:02:51 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-08#T19-02-51 19:24:00 *** ebola has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 19:24:00 *** evilworks has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 19:24:00 *** flyingpenis has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 19:24:00 *** Kitko has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 19:24:00 *** jamesbt has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 19:24:00 *** AppleJack has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 19:27:59 *** multiloggy (multiloggy@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 19:28:16 OH GODDAMNIT 19:28:35 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:28:35 *** evilworks (evilworks@cryto-8A2A252C.dynamic.amis.hr) has joined #crytocc 19:28:35 *** flyingpenis (flyingpeni@flyingpenis.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:28:35 *** Kitko (Kitko@7DEAE20A.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:28:35 *** jamesbt (jamesbt@E62F62BC.DCD17C32.959A841C.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:28:35 *** AppleJack (ja@cryto-A18B0645.drama.tw) has joined #crytocc 19:28:40 stupid cc 19:28:47 right, anyway 19:28:49 *** joepie91 (joepie91@joepie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:35:44 *** multiloggy has quit (Client exited) 19:41:16 *** naSignal (naSignal@BD7E08CB.6902A178.4F758E50.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:41:34 ohai naSignal 19:41:39 joepie91, you have time for me? Regarding IRC cocky shit? 19:41:50 hi 19:50:22 *** monod (orsacchio@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:50:29 *** naSignal has quit (User quit: Page closed) 19:50:38 hello peep 19:50:42 *afk now* 20:00:03 *** multiloggy (multiloggy@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:00:12 hai monod 20:00:17 multiloggy, pointer? 20:00:18 http://nowhere/2013-02-08#T20-00-17 20:00:21 multiloggy, help? 20:00:21 I'm a Python IRC logging bot. Source: http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py Logging to: http://nowhere/ 20:00:25 okay 20:00:43 that seems fine 20:00:48 *** multiloggy has quit (Client exited) 20:03:27 *** multiloggy (multiloggy@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:03:31 whee 20:03:38 *** multiloggy has quit (Client exited) 20:03:51 lol I broke it 20:04:47 *** multiloggy (multiloggy@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:04:51 *** AnonyOps (anony_ops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 20:04:55 *** multiloggy has quit (Client exited) 20:05:04 *** tmbucky (tmbucky@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 20:05:07 How in the hell, is this related to Anon??? http://anonyops.com/viewpost.php?id=676 20:05:10 *** multiloggy (multiloggy@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:05:11 *** Matrix has quit (Ping timeout) 20:05:12 *** multiloggy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:05:39 hahahahaha 20:05:42 egofag 20:05:48 is my guess 20:06:23 hm... 20:06:23 *** tmbucky has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 20:06:29 this month has been busy for my site 20:06:34 for some reason 20:06:36 *** multiloggy (multiloggy@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:06:40 more hits than normal, only slightly though 20:06:57 but steady 20:07:02 idk 20:07:07 also, testing logbot 20:07:07 patched version 20:07:10 *** Matrix (hackbook@4DD35523.6464AF6B.F0DF4C69.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:07:10 multi channel support 20:07:11 :P 20:07:13 seen an increase in anonnews? 20:07:21 ah nice lol 20:07:36 loggy, pointer? 20:07:36 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-08#T20-07-36 20:07:39 er 20:07:41 wrong loggy 20:07:41 lol 20:07:44 multiloggy, pointer? 20:07:45 http://nowhere/#crytocc/2013-02-08#T20-07-44 20:07:47 aw 20:07:48 crap 20:07:48 sec 20:08:14 *** multiloggy has quit (Client exited) 20:08:16 *** multiloggy (multiloggy@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:08:22 multiloggy, pointer? 20:08:22 http://nowhere/crytocc/2013-02-08#T20-08-22 20:08:25 that's better 20:08:29 :) 20:09:08 multiloggy, pointer? 20:09:09 http://nowhere/cryto/2013-02-08#T20-08-59 20:09:16 good 20:11:12 right 20:11:14 test time 20:11:16 *** joepie91 (joepie91@joepie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:11:22 *** joepie91 has parted #crytocc (None) 20:11:26 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:11:27 *** joepie91 (joepie91@joepie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:11:28 *** joepie91 has parted #crytocc (None) 20:11:32 *** joepie91 (joepie91@joepie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:11:42 now we just need something to /quit 20:11:50 *** joepie93 (joepie91@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:11:52 *** joepie93 has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 20:11:53 *** multiloggy has quit (Client exited) 20:12:00 *** joepie93 (joepie91@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:12:04 ah, I broke it 20:12:42 : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'logs/ser quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de/2013-02-08.txt' 20:12:45 yeah, uh... 20:12:48 lol 20:13:57 *** multiloggy (multiloggy@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:14:01 *** joepie93 has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 20:14:02 *** multiloggy has quit (Client exited) 20:14:06 *** joepie93 (joepie91@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:21:15 *** multiloggy (multiloggy@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:21:20 *** joepie93 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:21:23 *** joepie93 (joepie91@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:21:48 *** joepie93 has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 20:21:57 *** joepie93 (joepie91@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:22:32 *** joepie93 has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 20:22:36 *** joepie93 (joepie91@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:22:38 *** joepie93 has quit (User quit: joepie93) 20:22:43 *** joepie93 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join/part 20:37:17 *afknomoree* 20:37:39 joepie, does for you have sense "plead with nothing"? 20:37:53 no, can you describe what you mean? 20:37:53 sholdn't it be plead FOR nothing? 20:38:45 just trying to figure out some lyrics 20:39:20 people say it's "plead with nothing", but to me makes no sense and also I hear "plead with no mean", which has a little more sense imo 20:40:00 no sense <= because I think it should be "plead FOR nothing", in case. 20:40:33 well, I'm not sure what it's refering to eitgher way 20:40:35 :P 20:40:36 either * 20:42:03 Hmm, it is not important, I was wondering about the meaning/the existence of such word usage 20:42:16 check this out P: ---> http://play.typeracer.com/?universe=coder 20:42:52 P: <--- mouth-watering 20:43:08 I've played typeracer fairly often 20:43:11 I do much better from memory, though 20:43:13 also 20:43:16 https://github.com/joepie91/multiloggy 20:43:19 multi-channel logbot 20:43:22 :) 20:43:52 (wrong URL, sorry, http://play.typeracer.com/?universe=code ... this is a programming text subset :)) 20:43:57 I'll check it out now! 21:01:33 *** AnonyOps has quit (nexus.cryto.net arvel.cryto.net) 21:01:33 *** foolex has quit (nexus.cryto.net arvel.cryto.net) 21:01:33 *** maxQ has quit (nexus.cryto.net arvel.cryto.net) 21:01:33 *** lady-3jane has quit (nexus.cryto.net arvel.cryto.net) 21:01:33 *** smithsonian has quit (nexus.cryto.net arvel.cryto.net) 21:01:33 *** truetravesty has quit (nexus.cryto.net arvel.cryto.net) 21:01:56 *** truetravesty (truetraves@cryto-939AEFE0.d33p.shit.la) has joined #crytocc 21:01:57 *** AnonyOps (anony_ops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 21:02:05 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:02:18 *** maxQ (john@maxQ.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:03:00 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:10:02 *** smithsonian (vi.veri@veniversum.vivus.vici) has joined #crytocc 21:13:56 multiloggy:) pointer? 21:14:01 multiloggy, pointer? 21:14:02 http://nowhere/2013-02-08#T21-14-01 21:14:14 O.O 21:14:31 * flyingpenis does not have correct hosts file entry 21:15:31 lol 21:15:34 there is no hosts file entry for it 21:15:40 it's just a bogus something 21:15:43 for testing 21:15:54 *** multiloggy has quit (Client exited) 21:15:54 multiloggy, gtfo? 21:16:08 :P 21:18:13 I know, but if I had the correct hosts file entry, I could view the log files of nowhere 21:18:14 :D 21:18:27 same for telnetting into mordor 21:19:59 lol 21:22:42 YES 21:22:51 <2 hours till friends arrive 21:23:00 * flyingpenis sprints to shop for coffee 21:26:41 :P 21:45:22 http://i.imgur.com/tPeToGg.png 21:46:46 yeah or not 21:46:58 as soon as I got my bike pumped up, it started whitewall raining 21:47:19 lol'd 21:47:42 usa has states with fewer people 21:47:44 lol 21:49:05 *** evilworks has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:49:29 flyingpenis: look. at. the. retweets. 21:49:32 the irony, I don't even 21:49:58 *** evilworks (evilworks@cryto-3025BBDC.dynamic.amis.hr) has joined #crytocc 21:52:40 *** Kitko has quit (User quit: Konversation terminated!) 21:54:37 lmao joepie91: the fake mothers maiden names thing: I love taking lines from books I like 21:55:20 my favorite one I ever used was "today is the day we kill the president" (which is code for come over quick and buy me a pack of cigarettes on the way over) 21:55:39 lmfao 21:57:20 lol 21:57:37 ajaxify your life!' 22:00:36 *** orcka (orcka@orcka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:02:19 lol damn 22:02:41 I like that someone who transferred almost 3500 bitcoins in one transaction threw in almost a whole bitcoin for the tx fee 22:02:53 that makes me smile 22:04:44 isn't that more or less standard for a transaction with many inputs? 22:04:47 I sold 22:04:50 1000 bitcoins 22:04:51 the other day 22:04:53 now I regret this 22:04:54 hardcore 22:05:43 ryan: at what rate? 22:05:52 20.something 22:06:09 ah, that's not too terribly bad 22:06:12 yeah 22:06:20 like 3 months ago it was, what, 14? 22:06:27 yep 22:06:30 before the reward halving 22:06:46 I wonder what the long-term effects of that are going to be 22:07:01 I figured it had to go up in price, seems I was right 22:07:03 who makes bitcoins by mining anymore? 22:07:04 especially now with FPGAs etc starting to become more common 22:07:30 asics! 22:07:31 lol 22:07:33 yeah, downward pressure on price from fpgas, upward pressure every time it halves 22:07:46 flyingpenis: huh? wouldn't that be upward pressure? 22:07:49 from fpgas 22:07:49 mining hardly affects the value at this point 22:07:55 seeing as the generation rate doesn't change 22:08:02 but it's harder as an average user to come by BTC 22:08:16 ryan: I don't know... I think the ability to mine does still affect it 22:08:22 not so much the exact numbers 22:08:41 as FPGAs become cheaper over time, and more people start getting them, that will likely push the rate down a bit 22:08:47 It's starting to be rather minimal at this point 22:08:49 because the ability to mine efficiently returns 22:08:53 correct 22:09:05 what affects bitcoins most right now is drug prices 22:09:07 Has anyone ever experienced chrome removes "@" from address bar? 22:09:21 ryan: that, and forex 22:09:29 and various other forms of speculation ofc 22:09:34 wh1t3r4bb1t: how do you mean? 22:09:39 I was doing some freelance sec job and got paid with bitcoins 22:09:46 A+ way of tax evasion 22:09:50 haha 22:10:01 I only paid about 2 euros of tax for 4000 euros 22:10:05 I have an address with an @ and a $ in the get perameter and chrome removes these symbols 22:10:21 wh1t3r4bb1t: uh... you should probably url-encode those... 22:10:31 yeah @ is a special character 22:10:37 hmmm 22:10:42 It was like 20% fee of the service fee of exchanging them 22:10:52 ryan: which exchange? 22:10:55 it's only supposed to go just after the http:// 22:11:01 mtgox 22:11:04 ah 22:11:04 But when I url encode them it fucks up the link 22:11:11 there's this nice Finnish service that proxies sales trough mtgox 22:11:12 wh1t3r4bb1t: define "fucks up the link"... 22:11:14 so either way im fucked 22:11:15 you just type in your IBAN 22:11:19 and amount of bitcoins 22:11:21 makes the link invalid 22:11:23 flyingpenis: http://user:pass@domain.com/page 22:11:24 it generates you an address to transfer to 22:11:28 yes 22:11:30 wh1t3r4bb1t: that doesn't give any more information 22:11:32 and the money magically comes to you 22:11:33 you need to be more verbose 22:11:34 that's what I was indicating, joepie91 :) 22:11:38 how do you mean :invalid" 22:11:46 what tells you it's "invalid" 22:11:49 what validation doesn't it pass 22:11:49 etc 22:12:05 try to give a verbose description when you have a problem, not the bare minimum 22:12:09 because people are going to ask for more info anyway 22:12:10 (g2g) 22:12:11 *** monod has quit (User quit: Goodbye people!) 22:12:14 so you might as well give it straight away 22:12:23 ryan: interesting 22:12:24 because the script at the other end is looking for @ and $ not the url encoded chars 22:12:26 is this finland-only? 22:12:42 wh1t3r4bb1t: the script doesn't *get* URL encoded chars.. 22:12:45 well 22:12:46 that's the whole point of URL encoding... 22:12:49 IBANs should work 22:12:54 to any EU Country 22:12:57 https://bittiraha.fi/content/bittip%C3%B6rssi-osta-ja-myy-bitcoineja 22:13:03 the site's in Finnish though 22:13:04 thanks, will have a look 22:13:08 I'll manage :P 22:13:24 there's nothing that says it's Finnish only 22:13:31 wh1t3r4bb1t: URL encoding is something that happens in the URL only... your script will receive unencoded values 22:14:26 I'll go on their IRC and ask them if they do transactions outside Finland 22:15:51 that would be great, thanks :P 22:16:02 (I'd imagine it *might* be a problem if they have to pay extra for SEPA transfers) 22:16:17 maybe 22:31:52 *** ryan has quit (Ping timeout) 22:33:04 *** ryan (ryan@cryto-AC70138.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #crytocc 22:33:05 rip ryan 22:33:18 yeah joepie91 they work everywhere in europe 22:34:12 *** ` (h@cryto-7D39AC80.static.srsvps.com) has joined #crytocc 22:34:17 wonderful 22:36:15 really? great 22:36:17 yep 22:36:21 thanks, will definitely have a go with them then 22:36:42 yeah they take a minimal cut and saves from the hassle that mtgox is 22:36:56 not just hassle, I also simply don't trust it 22:36:59 they've lost my money once 22:37:13 and refused to refund it, throwing it on a "weak password" despite it being a random keepass-generated password 22:37:19 and it happening in the whole mt gox hacked craze 22:37:30 yeah 22:37:51 so yeah 22:37:54 their site 22:37:55 is still on 22:37:56 I avoid it if I have the option 22:37:57 shared hosting 22:37:59 lol 22:38:08 it is? 22:38:10 its hosted on the same server as bitcointalk 22:38:13 haha 22:38:15 which COINCIDENTALLY 22:38:17 runs SMF 22:38:17 *** ` has quit (Ping timeout) 22:38:20 for which 22:38:28 an vulnerability was leaked recently 22:38:42 sigh... I don't think mt gox will ever learn... 22:38:48 I also remember when they were all "yeah we got prolexic now" 22:38:48 yeah 22:38:53 and then forgot to firewall off non-prolexic IPs 22:38:56 yeah 22:38:58 * joepie91 facepalms 22:38:59 they still don't do this 22:39:03 scan kalyhost range, fucked 22:39:10 sadly I didn't have the time to completge the exploit on bitcointalk 22:39:41 would've sent all the bitcoins to my public wallet just to see how mad the bitcoin people get 22:40:00 I really don't get how they can be so careless about security.. 22:40:10 yeah 22:40:57 what I don't get 22:41:05 they run a goddamn VPS host 22:41:15 *why* would they host mt gox on the same box as bitcointalk 22:42:28 does it make a difference 22:42:56 the freebsd etc sysret exploit isn't the only problem with x86_64 22:45:49 ryan: I meant more in the sense of an additional physical server not being that big of a deal 22:45:52 unless they're really really small 22:46:13 what about freebsd 22:46:23 with the kind of income they have, I'd expect them to at the very least colo some stuff 22:46:47 well yeah 22:46:47 colo should be first step 22:49:41 so sysret exploits intel hardware? 22:51:02 *** Chasenet has quit (User quit: ) 22:52:34 huh weird 22:52:43 also not applicable cause I'm on amd hardware e.e 22:52:51 cawpheeeeee 22:53:25 * joepie91 shot an email to github 22:53:38 mystery to me why account overview only includes master branch commits.. 22:53:58 google is annoying 22:54:06 they tell me government is trying to hack my email 22:54:08 Google is Evil 22:54:11 but refuse to tell me anything else 22:54:14 AnonForecast: yes and so is cogent 22:54:19 and fucking everybody 22:54:23 and yet... 22:54:29 yet you are using them and funding them 22:54:35 ^ :> 22:54:38 They work for me now 22:54:41 just wait and see 22:54:48 lol tall order 22:54:55 mhawawawawawa 22:54:58 hypocrisy at it's best 22:55:07 * lady-3jane hopes the rain stays off 22:55:09 * lady-3jane runs 22:55:20 ? 22:55:36 btw anyone got an html propsal for oplastresort.com frontpage? 23:14:15 got it 23:14:22 lady-3jane: wb 23:14:28 joepie91:) <3 23:14:37 lady-3jane: http://owely.com/2w9lyD 23:14:39 only rained on the way there 23:14:44 heh 23:14:58 gaia lookin' out for me 23:15:00 lmao 23:15:32 yeah I saw that 23:15:47 their ceo made a big thing that ended up on hn about why companies should be less retarded with that stuff 23:15:57 *** ` (h@cryto-7D39AC80.static.srsvps.com) has joined #crytocc 23:16:15 sup bacltocl 23:16:16 there's a very important lesson in there 23:16:18 backtick, even 23:16:31 being "stop assuming you need rules for shit, unless it becomes apparent you do" 23:16:42 yeah, if you hire good people who like your company, they self police 23:16:51 and that's a lesson 99% of people - even outside corporate culture - miss 23:16:57 it's not limited to companies though 23:17:04 yeah 23:17:06 there's a rule-based approach pretty much in every kind of organisation 23:17:13 people are not firewalls 23:17:13 they aren't rule-based 23:17:15 :| 23:17:24 I am! 23:17:31 :3 23:17:35 actually, I'd argue the rule problem is twofold 23:17:50 1. the assumption that rules are necessary for functioning 23:18:02 2. the assumption that rules will act positively - that is, people will follow them 23:18:27 in my experience, neither of the two usually holds true 23:19:14 I like lots of rules, but you've got to apply them right. For instance in our banking industry, most of the ceos of our banks fall in a certain belief style such that any rule is seen as divine. thus if there's no rule against it, it's perfectly cool. There is no more thought given to the action. 23:20:02 interesting bit of research we went over in my microeconomics class 23:20:04 :> 23:21:18 ahh, mud is shed 23:21:23 now time to make coffee 23:30:44 *** orcka has quit (Client exited) 23:31:00 *** orcka (orcka@7DEAE20A.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:34:26 *** orcka has quit (Ping timeout) 23:39:59 The way I see it joepie91 23:40:25 is if you dont have rules and everyone follows principles 23:40:43 there will always be THAT ONE GUY who breaks principles and fucks shit up 23:40:56 and he is the guy that makes the rules and consequences nessesary 23:41:00 (and here we have the exact confirmation of what was mentioned above) 23:41:05 go on 23:41:14 there's a very important lesson in there 23:41:17 being "stop assuming you need rules for shit, unless it becomes apparent you do" 23:41:19 and that's a lesson 99% of people - even outside corporate culture - miss 23:41:26 you are perfectly fitting that model right now 23:41:33 you are assuming that rules are necessary for shit 23:41:37 without it being apparent that you do 23:41:42 and it can't possibly be apparent that you do 23:41:46 because you have no situation 23:41:54 conclusion: you cannot make a blanket statement about this 23:43:53 additionally: claims of disability require a stronger proof than claims of ability 23:43:57 because one is exclusive and the other is not 23:45:00 Im not trying to say your wrong 23:45:05 rather, 23:45:48 that your model cannot be applide universally 23:46:07 I would be interested in getting to know a model that does work universally 23:46:11 about anything, really 23:46:21 because to my knowledge the point of a model is that it's designed for a particular situation 23:46:27 joepie91: maths works :P 23:46:29 and usually doesn't function very well outside that situation 23:46:36 except not really 23:46:43 oh? 23:46:44 there are still unexplained things in mathematics 23:46:48 of course 23:46:50 where conventional maths don't seem to add up 23:46:51 no pun intended 23:46:54 still works though :P 23:47:01 no, it doesn't, that's why it's still unexplained 23:47:02 anyway 23:47:05 to clarify on my earlier point 23:47:11 it works, just not explained/proven 23:47:23 claim: X is possible -> proof that a person did X == sufficient proof 23:47:35 claim: X is impossible -> proof that a person could not do X != sufficient proof 23:47:38 do you see what I mean? 23:48:06 actually 23:48:12 *** orcka (orcka@7DEAE20A.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:48:17 its easier to prove a model is invalid than to prove it is vali 23:48:19 *valid 23:48:30 for a model to be valid, it has to account for all cases 23:48:37 take newtons laws of motion ofr example 23:48:47 uh, you're confusing a few things here 23:48:47 but for it to be wrong, you only need to get it to not explain something 23:49:02 aside from any disagreements you may have 23:49:07 do you understand what I was trying to clarify? 23:49:20 (of course, occums razor applies) 23:50:00 yes, I just disagree 23:50:06 yes, that was clear to me 23:50:08 there are unexplainable (not unexplained, but proven to be not able to be explained) things in math 23:50:14 <3 23:50:21 sec for link 23:50:31 twitchyliquid64: you are confusing "model" as in "method to do things" with "model" as in "theory to base other theories on" 23:50:41 the former applies to what I am saying 23:50:44 they are both valid definitions 23:50:45 the latter to what you are saying 23:50:47 oh 23:50:48 roger 23:51:04 what I was trying to explain is that the single datapoint that "model X did not work for person Y" 23:51:11 does not mean that model X is necessarily invalid 23:51:28 whereas the datapoint that "model X DID work for person Z" 23:51:36 is sufficient to conclude that it must thus be a functional model 23:51:44 (putting aside the required conditions for it to work) 23:51:51 because if it was non-functional, it couldn't have worked even once 23:52:14 that's what I mean when I say that a claim of impossibility requires stronger proof than a claim of possibility 23:52:17 unexplainable things in math: http://youtu.be/UPA3bwVVzGI 23:52:35 punch is at the end, but it's a very good video 23:53:25 ok 23:53:33 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@cryto-590FDA9.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #crytocc 23:53:50 the claim that "model X works" is also not the same as the claim that "model X *always* works" 23:53:56 I'd claim the former, not the latter 23:54:03 in the case of the context not control thing 23:54:10 err, what was it called in this particular slide 23:54:11 well, the importance of a model can be thought as how universal it is 23:54:14 agree? 23:54:18 anyway, the non-rule thing 23:54:20 strongly disagree 23:54:37 the importance of a model is how impact-ful it can be 23:54:38 Reword? 23:54:43 that includes how universal it is 23:54:46 but is not limited to 23:54:51 there are more factors 23:54:55 eh, same thing, more variables 23:55:00 hence not same thing 23:55:00 :p 23:55:05 well 23:55:10 that was my vibe 23:55:14 im just typing fast :P 23:55:17 lol 23:55:20 fair enough 23:55:25 anyway 23:55:40 to bring my explanation to a close 23:55:40 because I have a lot of work to do 23:55:40 let me jump back to your previous statement 23:55:41 and my response 23:55:51 is if you dont have rules and everyone follows principles 23:55:51 there will always be THAT ONE GUY who breaks principles and fucks shit up 23:55:58 there's a very important lesson in there 23:55:59 being "stop assuming you need rules for shit, unless it becomes apparent you do" 23:55:59 and that's a lesson 99% of people - even outside corporate culture - miss 23:55:59 you are perfectly fitting that model right now 23:56:02 http://youtu.be/UPA3bwVVzGI 23:56:05 see, the claim you made was this: 23:56:08 oops, disregard 23:56:11 "there will always be that one guy fucking shit up" 23:56:18 this could be worded, alternatively, as 23:56:21 "this model never works" 23:56:32 because there's always a factor preventing it from working 23:56:47 seeing as this model *does* work for a certain amount of entities (how many is up for discussion), it clearly *can* work 23:56:57 so the claim that "there will always be that one guy fucking shit up" must therefore be invalid 23:57:07 you are however operating from that assumption 23:57:19 thereby confiming my earlier remark about that assumptiong being used 23:57:29 assumption, even 23:57:35 ok 23:57:36 and I look at that phrase differently "Of course there will always be one guy fucking shit up. THe question is, do we need to care or not?" 23:57:41 I see and agree what your saying 23:57:55 the vibe Im trying to say is this; 23:57:58 why both models are valid 23:58:21 right, and at that point you move into an area where discussion becomes mostly useless 23:58:24 because... 23:58:31 you cannot elaborate any further on which model is more appropriate 23:58:33 you're both agreeing to agree 23:58:35 without having a situation to project it on 23:58:39 META 23:58:46 this also makes it impossible to say which of the two models is more often useful 23:58:55 because you can't really gather any reliable statistics right now 23:58:58 well, I was going to define a populus of use cases and use that as theset 23:59:01 in other words: dead end 23:59:05 for now 23:59:06 :p 23:59:13 fuck statistics, thought experiements ftw!!! 23:59:14 twitchyliquid64: it would require more than cursory research 23:59:16 well yes 23:59:26 but thought experiments require a certain amount of (imaginary) data to work off 23:59:33 and when that data starts resembling your initial claim 23:59:41 ("this model will work better because this model more often works better") 23:59:43 you have a problem 23:59:44 :P