00:22:45 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 01:51:53 *** BLTGeno has quit (Connection reset by peer) 01:52:29 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@cryto-590FDA9.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #crytocc 02:01:40 *** crytoweb099 (crytoweb09@cryto-58CB4E62.c3-0.wtr-ubr1.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #crytocc 02:01:47 *** crytoweb099 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 02:06:15 *** BLTGeno has quit (Client exited) 02:19:36 *** ben (ben@ben.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:20:28 gnight guys 02:22:11 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@cryto-590FDA9.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #crytocc 02:22:13 lol 93 nao also? 02:24:49 anyone openminded to tell me how to parse the value of "submit" to the site? http://www.cebit.de/?open=registerTicket&code=FILE0&submit=next 02:28:19 its form depends on this 02:34:51 *** Ari has quit (User quit: Leaving) 02:36:29 The CSS has defeated me again 02:37:00 hi wh1t3r4bb1t 02:37:19 hi ben 02:38:22 u should search about 256 ccs rules, pretty neat, then u rumble the css instead it rumbles on you 02:38:30 *classes 02:40:09 I can't get the bottom widgets to space apart with margins. Might be needing a clear-both class there. http://btcmutual.com/ 02:40:34 food time 02:41:42 so they need to be next to each other like [a][b] ?? 02:43:00 nope they are in the right layout 02:43:10 just needs margin on the bottom 02:44:22 .fpb-widget-c { 02:44:22 margin-bottom: 25px; 02:44:22 } 02:45:25 it's applied but not effecting the div apparently. 02:46:15 eat a position:relative; 02:48:17 *** wh1t3r4b_ (antarctica@cryto-497FB66D.direcpc.com) has joined #crytocc 02:48:17 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Client exited) 02:50:53 hey fuck you all, I just rewrote my harddrive by hand 02:51:08 bout to be running only linux, baby 02:51:28 oh gawd here we go 02:51:50 tried position : relative 02:52:05 don't use position: relative or position: absolute, they don't mean what you think they do 02:52:12 go read the spec 02:52:15 they're... retarded. 02:52:26 is applied now still no margin effecting the vertical spacing 02:52:50 yay penises =) do !important to overwrite 02:52:59 in firebug it applies 02:53:10 * wh1t3r4b_ touches the flyingpenis 02:54:38 booze and electro swing: best combination for playing musical chairs with harddrive partitions 02:54:52 also applied !important 02:55:11 still no spacing 02:55:48 *** crytoweb739 (crytoweb73@BF9A7830.93D77D28.7035584F.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:57:20 k undo it 02:57:36 I'm looking at the page and I see no margin 02:57:36 *** crytoweb739 is now known as TD 02:57:53 * flyingpenis wonders if the code is in the wrong place 02:58:03 he changes recently so... 02:58:22 * wh1t3r4b_ knows the margin is there because I can see the css in firebug 02:58:35 where 02:58:40 gimme file and line number 02:59:01 if the css is in firebug, it ain't gonna be on the server 02:59:17 if that's where you've edited it 02:59:18 lol 02:59:22 .fpb-widget-c { 02:59:22 position: relative; 02:59:22 margin-bottom: 100px; 02:59:22 } 02:59:28 now there's margin 02:59:31 just now 02:59:38 there was no margin line when I asked 03:00:30 yes there was because I haven't changed the margin line in hour 03:00:41 but anyways 03:00:42 ;) 03:00:56 clearing float again didn't work 03:01:03 hmmm 03:01:13 this is why I hate CSS 03:01:40 do you actually have any text in the box? 03:01:45 cause if you don't, there's nothing to margin 03:01:50 Its like a woman. never know what it wants. must spend eternity to figure it out 03:01:51 (with a div) 03:02:15 there is elements in the div 03:03:18 if you select it you can see it 03:04:03 just white text and also that h2 background should be colored like the others and it's alreadt applied to that class too. 03:04:20 fuck css and it's lazy work ethic 03:04:22 :P 03:04:27 moar soup brb 03:04:31 why is widget c shown at the top and the daughter element is the third box 03:05:14 * flyingpenis fights linux 03:05:25 flyingpenis, u can always recover a formatted hdd by hand 03:05:25 YOU FLEXIBLE BITCH, YOU WILL DO MY BIDDING 03:05:28 again anyone openminded to tell me how to parse the value of "submit" to the site? http://www.cebit.de/?open=registerTicket&code=FILE0&submit=next 03:06:37 normally an type="submit with a name="xyz" and a value="whatever" 03:06:52 it doeesnt apply :( 03:07:09 maybe im drunk 03:07:14 recover by hand? why would I recover 03:07:21 implying I won't do it perfectly 03:07:40 what unix are u using atm 03:07:56 *os 03:07:57 ubuntu is what I'm fighting 03:08:17 mostly trying to make grub do my bidding 03:08:31 with password? 03:08:38 or driving your efi stuff 03:08:40 *** Me_You has quit (User quit: ) 03:09:02 If you mean get the value of the submit just call reference it like any other form field i.e. $_POST['submit'] 03:09:13 or $_GET 03:09:15 password? 03:09:23 however you are sending the form 03:09:24 so, neither?/ 03:09:35 to secure your first 512kb of your hdd 03:09:43 ok 03:10:08 pff I have 100mb, I'm still using the windows boot partition 03:10:52 the password to my terminal at work is "ifuckedyourmomandyoursisteratthesametim3" 03:11:08 the 3 at the end makes it l337 03:11:23 sur3 03:11:45 :P 03:12:13 cool cryto has a log up there. so i can follow the last dayz 03:13:27 but it only records the stuff that is typed without the [off] prefix 03:14:01 wh1t3r4b_, u mean i should write that into a seperated php to curl the opts and it will get parsed 03:15:41 ben you're confusing me... are you trying to get the form field value for submit button or are you not able to get the from to submit when you click the submit button? 03:16:19 im trying to submit in the url 03:17:01 What? 03:17:11 i dont wanna violate the topic, so its just for personal education & information 03:17:56 im trying to apply it directly in the url field 03:18:20 what in the actual fuck are you trying to do because none of the words you're using go with the other words you're using 03:18:50 like... http://url.com?submit=value 03:18:51 ? 03:19:29 sorry for the confusing words, they have obvoisly the same meaning mostly , i try to learn ok 03:19:53 so try to submit, it doesnt give u an error message 03:22:29 I'm rolfing right now. sorry 03:26:06 Ohh so you're trying to hack cebit.de... Ahh well hmmm. HiveResearch can help you with that. 03:26:18 lol wut 03:27:22 nope 03:27:35 Just wait for it... 03:27:38 wait for it... 03:27:54 BAM! 03:28:11 brb 03:28:11 * HiveResearch shaves that smirkstache off wh1t3r4b_'s face 03:28:11 *** wh1t3r4b_ has quit (User quit: Leaving...) 03:28:19 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:30:37 If i'm not black in five minutes don't worry, I'll be all white. 03:36:24 Still no fucking margin god dumbit 03:37:01 lol 03:38:42 OMFMMOGFDSOB 03:39:11 even using inline style no work 03:39:20 I kill you CSS 03:39:29 I KIIIILLLLL YOUUUUUUUU! 03:40:09 css loves you, it colores your blackheaded hair 03:51:53 im off - gbais@all 03:52:21 *** ben has quit (User quit: suckerpunch!!) 04:02:23 *** BLTGeno has quit (Ping timeout) 04:05:08 *** tmbucky (tmbucky@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 04:06:24 *** tmbucky has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 04:06:46 fuck stray ']'s 04:06:56 actually stray }s 04:07:18 they be fuxin up duh codez mang 04:08:40 but the margin still not working 04:49:12 alright. killed my OS and resurrected it 04:49:22 now I'm removing the fucking encryption on my homedir 04:49:27 fuck that shit E.E 04:51:01 when you do encrypted homedir, the apps that do that process impose 256 char filename limits (ooooh just like windows! fancy! and just the reason I left!) 04:51:26 so imma rm that shit so I can get the full ext4 experience 04:56:08 *** Cryto975 (Cryto975@19C890BA.6FD3B00.179B8B13.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:57:24 *** Cryto975 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 05:19:47 *** me (Frozen_Sha@cryto-69B96D3C.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 05:20:29 *** Frozen_Shadow has quit (Ping timeout) 05:27:15 *** AnonyOps has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:43:27 *** TD has quit (Ping timeout) 05:59:07 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:27:28 alright 06:27:30 we're gold 06:27:45 linux works again, no windows on my drive, and encrypted fs has been blown away 06:43:52 *** lady-3jane has quit (User quit: Leaving) 06:51:13 *** AnonForecast has quit (User quit: Leaving) 06:51:49 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:05:46 flyingpenis, Maybe use dm-crypt instead of ecryptfs? 07:06:15 Plus, I bet there are alternatives to ecryptfs w/o name obfuscation part that results in that liit 07:06:19 *limit 07:09:05 well yeah, if you crypt the whole drive there isn't that issue, but I don't give a fuck about it 07:09:16 I'm only interested in local encryption if it's convenient 07:10:16 lvm + dm-crypt? 07:10:32 Pretty sure I can't drop that over my currently running OS 07:10:37 I don't like having whole drive crypted either 07:11:39 urg 07:11:51 late on a saturday, ISP is shit :( 07:12:10 "can't" here is probably "don't want to", because it's fairly easy to fo with any distro and won't harm other os'es on your hdd 07:12:28 And there's also loopback for an easy way out 07:12:48 (I mean, loopback devices) 07:13:48 It's easy to lvm+dm_crypt the currently running OS? 07:14:01 really now, tell me how that works 07:16:21 Enable lvm in your distro's initrd (probably there by default, just needs some flag), boot sysresccd, shrink current fs, create lvm+dm-crypt on the rest of the space, move stuff there, remove old fs and span lvm there, boot 07:17:05 I just did that to remove windows from my drive 07:17:12 EncFS seem to be eCryptFS alternative w/o filename obfuscation 07:17:14 except I didn't use lvm 07:17:20 http://www.arg0.net/encfs 07:36:20 I just learned that FF is fucking retarded when it comes to displaying buttons 07:36:36 no line-height control 07:36:56 what kind of doucebag coded that int o the browser 07:37:29 ALL other browsers are legit wiith line height on buttons 07:38:10 But Faggot Fox had to go and fuck it up for everyone 07:39:01 I see you're finally experiencing web design's true power 07:42:01 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 07:42:10 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 07:49:48 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:50:46 Well, I'm considering just eliminating buttons altogether and using spans or divs but then I have ti use jquery to submit all my forms. I think that's probably where it's gonna end up though. 07:51:01 Buttons are so 1999 07:51:34 Im on that 3000 shit now bwahahahahah mwahahahaha haaaa haa ha hehe ahhh fuckit 07:57:09 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 07:58:52 Panclocks 08:00:11 *** anonnews265 (anonnews26@cryto-133594B0.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 08:00:34 Do your worst... http://www.twitter.com/robbyg 08:04:44 mmm, linux with disk space is so much less rickety 08:05:39 stop lying 08:10:12 who is princess?? 08:12:35 just sayin 08:12:54 if she is important..ill shut up 08:13:01 or he 08:54:38 *** anonnews265 has parted #crytocc () 10:01:00 *** striganon (Gurgeh@striganon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:02:27 *** stanone has quit (Ping timeout) 10:33:41 *** lady-3jane has quit (Ping timeout) 10:34:35 *** flyingpenis has quit (Ping timeout) 10:37:33 *** flyingpenis (flyingpeni@flyingpenis.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:37:39 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 11:15:42 *** me has quit (Client exited) 11:16:18 *** Frozen_Shadow (Frozen_Sha@cryto-37C03D90.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 12:05:08 *** eggtimer (eggtimer@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 12:06:24 *** eggtimer has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 12:09:31 *** Vredesbyrd (Vredesbyrd@Vredesbyrd.crytocc) has joined #crytocc 13:26:04 *** Me_You (Me_You@ED08C37A.52824571.A053D173.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:22:06 *** Vredesbyrd has quit (User quit: Forlater kanalen) 14:48:35 *** pi (pi@60A30B43.A9880197.7A99DEDF.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:26:51 *** pi has quit (User quit: leaving) 15:32:08 <`> YAN makes me cut myself 15:32:13 *** ` is now known as ryan 15:32:20 I reckon everybody responsible should be deaded 15:37:07 *** R4mJ (R4mJ@8ED8045.BB8462F.B3A88E67.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:38:33 *** R4mJ has parted #crytocc (None) 15:50:26 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@cryto-590FDA9.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #crytocc 15:52:19 what'd they do this time :/ 15:52:51 same thing they do all the time 16:05:33 *** BLTGeno has quit (Client exited) 16:21:14 hypervm really has no reason to exist.. 16:22:00 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@cryto-590FDA9.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #crytocc 16:27:32 alright i'm intrigued 16:27:37 ? 16:27:38 who's running @youranonnews 16:27:49 several people are 16:27:56 https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/300638516633821184 16:27:58 look at this shit 16:28:05 he has almost a million followers 16:28:12 acts as an official anon tw acc 16:28:24 and tweets fake inflamatory bullshit such as this 16:28:32 that looks very fake 16:29:00 *** AnonForecast (AnonForeca@AnonForecast.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:30:46 that looks wrong 16:30:48 in multiple ways 16:31:11 i unfollowed that acc a while ago for stupid bullshit 16:31:18 didnt know itll reach the point of retarded 16:32:48 ("but we're just reporting news!") 16:35:37 I unfollowed YAN literally years ago because of their stupid antigovernment fearmongering 16:35:44 they were no better than those they purport to fight 16:36:17 the signal to noise ratio on that account is deplorable 16:37:41 It's fascinating... one of the few reporters who does good work on Anon will not use them as a source, and when they do there's a fucking paragraph of "unsourced, we don't know who it is, and they don't represent any particular groups etc etc etc" 16:39:21 o.o 16:39:51 guys, please read TAM.AaronBAle.com to see how TheAnonMessage was compromized 16:40:16 ALL large anon accts get targeted. it would be illogical to assume these complaints are coincedence 16:40:46 sigh 16:40:50 conspiracy elsewhere please 16:40:59 youre kidding joe? 16:41:03 no, I'm not 16:41:07 this is extremely likely to derail this channel 16:41:10 entirely 16:41:31 I... wow, I yelled at him for doing that earlier, so he called me a fed 16:41:36 lmfao 16:41:36 I'm willing to be okay with Anonymous-related discussion, up to a point 16:41:47 conspiracy theories are beyond that point 16:41:53 no matter how legitimate you may believe they are 16:42:06 for the simple reason that that doesn't belong here and derails the channel for other users 16:42:16 ok fine but there is a difference between a moonshot conspiracy and common sense corollation between power and failure 16:42:28 AnonForecast: and every single conspiracy theorist says it's the latter 16:42:36 which is EXACTLY why I want to keep this out of here 16:42:45 k 16:44:02 :O 16:44:07 IT'S MORNING AGAIN 16:44:14 you didnt sleep? 16:44:14 COFFEE WITH BACON AND EGGS TIME 16:44:17 lady-3jane: lol 16:44:20 that sounds so good 16:44:21 :9 16:44:23 :( * 16:44:32 It's my standard breakfast 16:44:37 btw lady-3jane, pm 16:44:39 sure 16:46:13 and lady-3jane, i was trolling you just to get under your skin because i didnt know or like you yet :) dont expect much more social engineering 16:46:50 lmao alright 16:47:10 He's still a fed though 16:48:23 * lady-3jane laughs 16:48:24 nah 16:48:36 LOL FEDZ 16:48:43 well if he his, hes a very unproductive fed ;p 16:48:45 Trust me, I'm a fed, I know 16:48:47 In yer base, stealin yer ops 16:48:47 counter-productive* 16:49:20 thats how you test feds. put them to work, make them productive. if theyre really fed they will disappear instead of be productive to the operation 17:06:50 evilworks im about to 17:06:57 get names etc on everyone affiliated 17:07:00 and then SSNs 17:07:23 I reckon they're stupid enough that they have earned themselves a good spot in HTP-5 17:07:45 You're in the wrong channel, I think. 17:10:07 not at all 17:56:53 OpBlackout killed HTP 17:56:56 faggot 17:57:19 OpSec has full HTP dox. if you were real HTP you would know that. 17:57:43 http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2013/02/10/XML-at-15 17:57:50 oh jesus christ 17:58:09 AnonForecast: you seem to be quite actively trying to cause shitstorms today 17:58:13 could you do that somewhere else 17:58:25 it's starting to get very annoying 17:58:34 this is the *second* time I have to warn you 18:00:23 also who the fuck calls themselves opsec... that's a damn business position 18:00:29 lmfao 18:00:44 lady-3jane: don't throw fuel on the fire 18:01:00 I'm not :( 18:01:07 * lady-3jane pouts 18:01:21 you are, because this will probably elicit some kind of rant that turns into an argument that turns into namecalling that turns into a lot of drama 18:01:29 which is the exact thing I am trying to keep out of here 18:01:39 see topic 18:02:31 NP: [Kurtis Blow - The Breaks] [FABRICLIVE.33] [969kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 18:02:51 * lady-3jane pouts in the corner while listening to situationally appropriate music 18:03:25 i stopped. 18:04:07 NP: [Yes - Owner Of A Lonely Heart] [FABRICLIVE.33] [852kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 18:04:30 good 18:27:12 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 19:45:53 some of the experimental features in chrome are awesome 19:46:12 * lady-3jane turns shit on 19:50:08 like? 19:53:20 compositing in a separate thread, some of the UI modifications (like the action bar and script badges), and a new scoring system for predictive omnibox autocompletion 19:59:10 so, uh 19:59:14 I just realized something 19:59:19 I renewed the cryto domain today 19:59:40 this means that in 4 days, it will be the third anniversary of the cryto.net domain! 19:59:41 :p 19:59:46 (the domain, not cryto itself) 20:05:09 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 20:06:11 okay, two year anniversary of cryto itself coming up 20:06:13 next month 20:06:25 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 20:29:51 *** Me_You has quit (User quit: ) 20:33:29 congrats joe 20:53:00 *** Me_You (Me_You@ED08C37A.52824571.A053D173.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:36:15 sweet! 21:40:51 wh1t3r4bb1t:) are you in #bitcoin? 21:41:46 similar nick being used there, minus the leet modifications :> 21:46:06 I am now 21:46:28 The thing about this client is that I cant see anyone else that's connected through hubs 21:47:18 only people connected on the cryto server show up in the sidebar 21:47:28 :( 21:47:50 How are you today lady-3jane? 21:48:18 And how are you joepie91? you seem in a better mood. 21:51:00 *** evilworks has quit (Ping timeout) 21:51:08 *** evilworks (evilworks@cryto-768544F8.dynamic.amis.hr) has joined #crytocc 21:54:32 I'm coding the slide up footer for the BTCM site and I was under the impression that the jquery "slideUp" function moved elements up, but it seems to be moving them down?wtf? 21:54:59 wh1t3r4bb1t: I am currently having a constructive discussion 21:55:03 with someone 21:55:10 :) 21:55:59 NP, someone else knows jquery I would imagine. 21:56:52 I mean as in 21:56:53 good mood 21:57:29 also, wh1t3r4bb1t 21:57:34 read the docs 21:57:36 :p 21:57:42 The .slideUp() method animates the height of the matched elements. This causes lower parts of the page to slide up, appearing to conceal the items. 21:57:50 if the element is at the bottom of the page 21:57:53 the page height changes 21:57:59 and as such it appears to slide up 21:58:04 because the browser respects the page boundaries 21:58:12 and updates the scroll position of the entire page 21:58:20 I was just reading that lol 21:58:21 err, appears to slide down * 21:58:29 Ok well I want to use animate then 21:59:22 basically I need to change the "bottom: 0px;" property to be line 200px or something then change it back 21:59:29 I will try animate 21:59:36 * joepie91 is not sure what you're trying to do 21:59:40 can you describe it visually? 22:02:11 also, wh1t3r4bb1t, a few suggestions: 22:02:19 the "1st, 2nd, 3rd step" headers seem a bit cheesy 22:02:23 I recommend leaving the first step one intact 22:02:35 and changing the other two to a more descriptive title about what the step entails 22:03:16 as for the menu bar - make the hover happen on the , not on the

- the hover-able part does not correctly indicate the clickable part now 22:03:38 and I'd increase the left padding on the search box a bit 22:03:41 other than that, I like it :) 22:04:01 (also, if you have a PNG version of the logo, use that instead) 22:07:41 1. The logo IS png. 22:08:02 wat 22:08:03 sec 22:08:06 2. There is no padding on the search box it's text-indent 22:08:14 oh wow 22:08:17 I thought I saw artifacts 22:08:25 weeeeird 22:08:34 and, okay 22:08:40 then increase text-indent? :P 22:08:41 3. I need to make the whole li clickable 22:08:44 no 22:08:52 you need to make the fill the li 22:08:55 or get rid of the

altogether 22:08:55 :p 22:09:10 "making the whole li clickable" is a terrible idea 22:09:14

does not have a href element 22:09:15 I need to fill the li 22:09:21 and it's madness to require JS to have a functional menu 22:09:23 er 22:09:27 href parameter* 22:09:32 yes 22:09:51 just give the the block etc style that

now has 22:10:08 but all the subtile things will happen in time. I'm currently working on the jquery footer animation 22:11:03 Functional menu JS? What are you talking about? 22:11:19 if you want to make the li clickable, you have exactly one option 22:11:22 and that's a javascript click event 22:11:32 that would make it require JS to use the menu properly 22:11:40 that's what I mean :P 22:11:57 which is why I suggested filling the li instead 22:15:12 solution 22:15:16 to all of your troubles 22:15:22 don't touch web development ever 22:17:28 I already told you I am going to fill the li with the a tag 22:18:04 wh1t3r4bb1t: I know, I am just explaining why I suggested that lol 22:18:09 I need some toast for this jelly in here though. 22:18:25 ryan: webdev is generally one big mess 22:18:33 :/ 22:18:41 * wh1t3r4bb1t gets some toast 22:18:52 Damn this is good jelly 22:18:58 honestly, things like CSS... who *designed* that crap 22:19:10 it's so machine-focused that they forgot to make it usable for humans 22:20:21 Well the thing about CSS is not the CSS but the herp derp browser developers that fuck shit up. 22:21:03 wh1t3r4bb1t: try to vertically center an element with unknown width and height, and say again that CSS is not a problem 22:21:03 :P 22:21:20 1. There is absolutely no reason EVER for a browser to add CSS period. 22:21:23 without using hacks like using a 1 cell table 22:22:15 2. The browser should ALWAYS process the CSS as described. 22:22:51 3. ALL browsers should use the SAME standard when processing CSS. 22:23:49 I agree with 2. and 3. 22:23:51 but not with 1. 22:24:00 But you know how Johnny likes to be different than Jack. Fucking ingrate browser devs. One thing I hate. 22:24:02 oh wait 22:24:10 or do you mean add CSS to an individual document by itself? 22:24:21 or adding support for new CSS thingies that are not defined in spec? 22:24:27 * joepie91 is unsure how to parse 1. 22:24:28 I'm doing well, wh1t3r4bb1t :) 22:25:04 No there is no reason for the browser to ever add any CSS anywhere ever. Period. It's job it to interpred code not add it. 22:25:25 wh1t3r4bb1t: so you mean the former? modifying documents on the fly? 22:25:31 If the developer leaves something out that's on them. It's not the browsers job to fix the developers CSS. 22:25:35 if so, then I agree with that, with the exception of extensions 22:25:38 perhaps he means the defaults that are on every element 22:25:49 you can see them greyed in chrome 22:26:18 YES lady-3jane 22:26:25 problem: standards commissions take fucking forever to decide on shit 22:26:35 for example, the blue outline around a selected input element 22:26:42 this was introduced by... chrome, I think? 22:26:46 and slowly taken over by other browsers 22:27:03 had it been submitted to a standards commission, we probably still wouldn't have that outline 22:27:07 today 22:27:44 It should have never existed. If I want the something I will do it myself in CSS I don't need it to be there automatically. 22:28:13 It would be neat to have a post-implementation way to create standards quickly, such that if all major browser vendors are already doing something, and all in the same way, it can just be automatically approved. 22:28:42 that way you don't have pseudo-undocumented functionality 22:28:53 or, less of it 22:28:54 haha 22:29:14 Then if I want it removed it's just one more thing I have to do and most of those browser defaults have !important and can't be overridden. Anyways that's my rant. Fuck browser devs with broken glass. :P 22:29:49 wh1t3r4bb1t: actually, you should be able to override all browser styles by default 22:29:55 It should have never existed. If I want the something I will do it myself in CSS I don't need it to be there automatically. 22:29:59 as for that, that is unreasonable 22:30:01 ironically all browser resets are targeted at that problem 22:30:20 you would have an undefined background color (may be white, black or gray depending on renderer or toolkit used) 22:30:21 Lol try to set button line height in FF. Not going to happen ever. 22:30:32 that you'd have to define or you'd get inconsistent results 22:30:43 Why? because they fucking stuck their dick in the mashed potatoes. 22:30:44 it would be impossible to make it clearer to users what form field they are filling in 22:30:45 etc 22:30:57 lady-3jane: browser resets are terrible 22:31:03 giant blobs of code 22:31:21 the one I use is nice 22:31:27 "the one I use" 22:31:30 there's the problem 22:31:30 lol 22:31:42 how can multiple resets even exist 22:31:46 to do the same thing 22:32:18 https://github.com/necolas/normalize.css 22:32:19 See that's why the browser should leave shit the fuck alone so we don't need vrowser resets 22:32:25 browser* 22:32:56 wh1t3r4bb1t: the problem isn't predefined styles, the problem is aggressive predefined styles (!important) and inconsistent predefined styles 22:33:12 Anyways I'm gonna go hurl midgets and finish this jquery shizzle 22:33:14 have one common predefined style implementation across browsers that keeps its hands off everything that doesn't serve an immediate purpose 22:33:15 and boom 22:33:17 problem solved 22:34:17 What you said should be the law. Like Judge Dread. You cross the law, you die. 22:34:30 Lol 22:35:02 lady-3jane: that's hardly a reset 22:35:03 more a patch 22:35:09 I know :) 22:35:15 It fixes problems :> 22:35:16 like 90% of the code in there is browser-specific fixes 22:35:24 well yes, but it's not a reset 22:35:24 :P 22:35:41 provides for more consistent display <3 22:35:41 as the name implies, it's a normalization 22:36:05 I had problems with actual resets 22:36:10 they break too much stuff :/ 22:36:27