00:12:42 good evening all 00:13:06 joepie91: did you read about my p2p engine? if fucking EPIC 00:13:07 *its 00:13:36 still need moar ideas for something I should build with it though. 00:14:20 grawr 00:14:28 rawr!!! 00:15:41 I did not yet, no 00:15:44 hm, Ari isn't here 00:16:07 well, I ranted about it around 13 hours ago 00:16:13 wh1t3r4b_: any idea if Ari would mind if I used his button? 00:18:36 joepie91: any ideas for something I should build to test out ma p2p engine? 00:18:48 I don't see why not, however I can't speak for others. 00:20:25 * Kamonra bites joepie91 00:23:31 twitchyliquid64: no idea, sorta occupied atm tbh 00:23:40 :P 00:25:16 grrr pastehtml is down 00:26:03 twitchyliquid64, Kamonra, wh1t3r4b_, http://cryto.net/~joepie91/redonate.html 00:26:06 might need some work still 00:26:08 but as first version 00:26:43 *** Frozen_Shadow has quit (Ping timeout) 00:26:46 also monod 00:26:57 yeah 00:26:59 tell me 00:27:08 *** Frozen_Shadow (Frozen_Sha@cryto-D181503A.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 00:27:13 monod: see above link 00:27:16 was what I was working on 00:27:17 :P 00:27:22 oh 00:27:28 did not see it, I'll check it now 00:28:00 I may have discovered a bug= 00:28:01 ? 00:28:09 the drop-list 00:28:14 with $ and BTC 00:28:29 utf bug 00:28:29 already fixed 00:28:31 :P 00:28:32 refresh 00:28:35 is made up by "$", "???" and 00:28:36 ah ok 00:28:37 :D 00:30:29 you're becoming the "Ritchie" of the free internet :Dù 00:30:35 creating stuff here and there 00:30:49 one day we'll end up having lots of services from you :D 00:30:53 around the internet 00:34:52 well, that's sort of a goal 00:35:03 * joepie91 won't rest before everyone uses a joepie thing 00:42:00 lol 00:42:24 (off) and why is that? :) 00:52:23 monod: you'll want to use [off], not (off) 00:52:24 :) 00:52:34 anyway 00:52:44 because too much sucky software, too much proprietary inaccessible crap, etc 00:52:50 ohh ok 00:52:58 (no more off xD) 00:53:13 so a sort of Fight for the cause 00:53:25 if it's correct in Eng 00:53:25 yes 00:53:30 (Y) 00:53:38 seems correct to me 00:53:55 perrrrfect 00:54:06 2:00 AM here, same there? 00:54:17 =_= 00:54:56 ya 00:59:54 uuuugh 01:00:25 btw, dunno if that interests you, but... Got a 28/30 in Data Structures and Algos :) 01:01:21 I opted for the full 30/30, but I have old courses I had not passed, so I had difficulties preparing Data Struc. & Algos for the better result 01:01:31 aaaaand, now going. 01:01:49 *** monod has quit (User quit: byebye! We'll talk later) 01:28:05 *** BLTGeno has quit (Client exited) 01:44:04 Does anyone know how to pass an object TO an ajax request "data" property? Not talking about passing it AS an object with the request but just passing the object TO the request's "data" property.... Anyone please? 01:54:49 wh1t3r4b_: it's not very clear what you want to do 01:54:55 perhaps you should be more verbose 01:55:50 I have an object which is all the form fields 01:56:30 I want to pass that object to the data: in my ajax request 01:56:57 I don't want it to pass the object in the request just to the request function 01:57:35 I don't see how I can make that any more clear without facepalming 01:59:45 wh1t3r4b_: it would probably be better if you wrote your question in pseudocode or some other format to make clear what the desired result is 01:59:54 bwahaha 02:01:07 I have an idea. 02:05:40 So I passed the data to an object then into an array of other objects and then I push them. After than I serialize and voila! Cash money! 02:06:54 Joepie91 I don't get what you mean by pseudo code... Please explain. 02:07:12 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudocode 02:09:28 But I'm not french, I don't speak Pseudocode. Do you know someone who can translate my english to pseudocode? 02:12:46 wh1t3r4b_: so you have a JS object that you want to send over the wire, via AJAX? 02:15:53 I'm beginning to think I wall have to, although that was not my original intention. 02:15:59 will* 02:16:50 so you want to: my_ajax_func(my_JS_object) 02:16:54 * joepie91 can't help unless pseudocode 02:17:10 then in the func: my_JS_object.my_fields ??? 02:17:15 is that what you want wh1t3r4b_ ? 02:19:36 I want to data: my_object_properties 02:20:42 I do not want to data: my_object 02:21:05 wh1t3r4b_: so you want to iterate over all the attributes of the object? 02:22:01 But I think I will have to serialize the form instead because unless you write the object in the { } literally it doesn't deem to know what to do with it 02:23:45 not quite sure what the problem is 02:23:46 $.post("test.php", $("#testform").serialize()); 02:24:33 wh1t3r4b_: all objects must be serialized for transmission. Thats one of the principles of network programming 02:26:47 I know how it should work. I am using POST not GET so I have a feeling that I can't data: object unless i use GET. 02:27:07 ... 02:27:08 wh1t3r4b_ 02:27:10 $.post("test.php", $("#testform").serialize()); 02:27:12 as I already said 02:27:14 what is the problem with that 02:27:27 At least that's how the jquery manual reads to my interpretation 02:28:15 I tried that joepiqe and it's not successing 02:28:48 Because some form fields are optionaal and emplty I'm guessing it fails 02:29:06 wh1t3r4b_: now is probably the right time to post your code on pastebin or what not. And your HTML. 02:29:08 I may need to use get 02:29:31 Lol 02:29:52 wh1t3r4b_: stop finding workarounds for non-existent problems 02:29:53 jsfiddle 02:30:13 when you start saying things like "I may need to use get" it's clear that you don't really know what you're doing 02:30:22 not meant as criticism, but as an indicator to stop 02:30:26 and let someone else look at it 02:31:36 Standby while I revert to my original "problem-less code" that I should have never "worked around". Even though it didn't work that way. 02:33:28 bwahahahaha 02:35:04 joepie91: can you recommend a piece of HTML/JS that can take JSON and produce a treeview in the browser? 02:36:00 twitchyliquid64: jquery ui can probably do it, extjs can probably do it, both are horrible 02:36:09 might want to see if you can find a jquery plugin of some sort 02:36:09 hence, 'recommend' :P 02:36:19 basically, I am not aware of a good way to do treeviews 02:36:24 with existing stuff 02:36:28 damn 02:36:33 otherwise, you can always write yourself 02:36:35 it's not terribly hard 02:36:36 ew 02:36:40 http://jsfiddle.net/U7L5D/ 02:37:28 wh1t3r4b_: I liek your header 02:37:29 wh1t3r4b_: eh... so why are you doing this via AJAX? 02:37:33 I wish I had pretty headers 02:38:02 wh1t3r4b_: you dont have francs as a currency :/ 02:38:20 lol 02:38:31 twitchyliquid64: joke, right? 02:38:41 I'm doing this via ajax OR form submit 02:38:48 joepie91: no. Many countries apart from france use francs 02:39:18 once the ajax works I will noscript 02:39:29 I love how Go can automatically generate documentation from your source 02:40:13 data 02:40:13 Type: PlainObject or String 02:40:13 Data to be sent to the server. It is converted to a query string, if not already a string. It's appended to the url for GET-requests. See processData option to prevent this automatic processing. Object must be Key/Value pairs. If value is an Array, jQuery serializes multiple values with same key based on the value of the traditional setting (described below). 02:40:29 YOu see there where is says GET. But doesn't say POST 02:40:45 That's most likely the problem 02:40:51 Hence my attempt at a workaround 02:41:56 I'm not sure it will convert the object to a string for a POST request. which IMO is fucking retarded 02:44:53 well, wh1t3r4b_ 02:44:54 http://jsfiddle.net/U7L5D/1/ 02:44:57 that seems to work fine 02:45:00 so just get the object 02:45:00 it shows an alert at least 02:45:04 and go .serialize() 03:02:54 works on jsfiddle, doesn't work on the server 03:03:30 wh1t3r4b_, I don't get it 03:03:37 you seem to be having issues with every bit of JS 03:03:41 and no ability to debug it yourself 03:03:50 I mean, how hard is it to throw in a few lines of console.log()s 03:03:51 Shh 03:03:53 to see where it breaks 03:03:55 and look at your error log 03:03:56 really 03:03:59 I am debugging it right now 03:04:03 if something breaks on your server, then figure out why 03:04:08 k 03:04:12 anyway, I'm going to sleep 03:04:15 night all 03:04:15 I was just letting you know that it did't work on the serever 03:04:36 (this is the third time that "it doesn't work on the server" - maybe it's time to figure out why there's a difference, because there shouldn;t be) 03:05:14 I know the difference 03:05:14 lol 03:05:14 Go to bed 03:07:26 then make that difference go away 03:08:46 nini joepie91 03:09:03 * Kamonra sends joepie91 off with a warm glass of milk and a blanket fresh from the dryer 03:09:17 :D 03:11:20 lol oh you mean upload my php files to jsfiddle? yeah, great idea joe 03:11:37 * Kamonra stabs wh1t3r4b_ with a stick 03:11:49 shoo. Joe is sleeping now. 03:12:33 Because that's the only difference 03:13:17 But you knew that right? Because you know everything about everything. 03:13:37 * wh1t3r4b_ burps 03:17:37 PS you have it sending empty fields now 03:17:50 Which is breaking it on my server 03:18:16 then maybe your server code is balls? 03:18:16 :| 03:18:56 Yawwwwnn... This is why I had handling built into the JS for that purpose. The part you removed. Yeah. 03:19:22 wh1t3r4b_: you realize that having this built into JS is a terrible idea? 03:19:30 make your server-side script deal with shit properly 03:19:36 JS shouldn't be doing any critical sanitizing or validation 03:19:53 if your code doesn't work when I removed all that crap, your code was bad to begin with 03:19:55 I know I can use the method you used however it's not how it needs to work for the purpose we spoke on last night 03:20:09 wh1t3r4b_: just. write. proper. fucking. serverside. code. 03:20:13 it's not that hard 03:20:47 I don't get why you're being so complicated with shit 03:20:51 it's a goddamn form 03:20:56 just submit it as a normal request 03:21:01 javascript isn't even needed here 03:21:05 nor does it add any value 03:21:21 you're overcomplicating everything 03:21:21 You assume a lot for a person who doesn't see he serverside code 03:21:33 wh1t3r4b_: I don't need to know anything more than what you've told me 03:21:35 being 03:21:42 "my serverside code breaks when I remove all the JS processing crap" 03:21:51 "my serverside code also accepts normal requests" 03:22:07 if ($_POST['setup_details'] && isset($_SERVER['HTTP_X_REQUESTED_WITH'])) { 03:22:07 $post = (object) $_POST; 03:22:07 $response = array( 'ok' => false, 'message' => $post ); 03:22:08 conclusion: that JS has no business of being there because it also works without and doesn't add any useful things 03:22:09 return json_encode($response); 03:22:11 //echo json_encode(btcm_setup_user_details($post)); 03:22:12 exit; // only print out the json version of the response 03:22:14 } 03:22:16 thats the serverside code 03:22:20 so overcomplicated 03:22:27 omgg 03:22:35 why would you even do that 03:22:56 Fot testing the response 03:22:56 for* 03:23:24 even IF there's a valid purpose for it, return json_encode(array("ok" => false, "message" => $_POST)); 03:23:36 wtf is all the object casting there for 03:24:03 and, HTTP_X_REQUESTED_WITH? 03:24:31 Well aparently you should know all that because you know everything 03:24:47 stop acting like a fucking child every time you get told your code sucks 03:24:51 try learning from it for once 03:24:55 WITHOUT throwing a fucking tantrum first 03:25:13 1. My code doesn't suck 03:25:14 I just replaced the majority of your server-side code with one line of code 03:25:16 instead of bitching at me 03:25:22 USE THAT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE 03:25:24 2. You are always pissy. 03:25:29 1. yes, it does 03:25:40 2. yes, because you constantly do the same shit and constantly are fucking stubborn 03:25:59 if you would fucking THINK about your code before writing it\ 03:26:08 instead of implementing hack after hack 03:26:13 instead of figuring out WHY something doesn't work 03:26:16 like, fucking seriously 03:26:16 lol 03:26:26 You need a midol 03:26:37 okay, I'm done 03:26:39 from now on 03:26:41 you can fix your own code 03:26:48 I'm not going to make any more attempts at helping you with this 03:26:50 I'm so tired of it 03:27:00 if you're just going to deflect every single bit of criticism into a personal attack 03:27:03 then have fun writing your own code 03:27:06 My code is simple and works properly for scalability. 03:27:07 and having it fuck up time after time 03:27:15 because you were too fucking stubborn to listen to someone that is more experienced than you 03:27:22 and can explain exactly why it sucks 03:27:24 and how to fix it 03:27:27 but nooooooooooooooo 03:27:34 but yeah, enjoy fixing your own code 03:27:46 and by all means keep throwing buzzwords to describe your code 03:27:54 that certainly makes it better! 03:28:01 * joepie91 going to sleep 03:28:39 PS - Joe never admits to being wrong ever. *Personality trait flaw mega. 03:29:15 wh1t3r4b_: just a FYI 03:29:21 constant personal attacks will likely result in removal from this channel 03:30:43 Ohh because it's cool for you to talk down on me and treat me like shit and tell me my coding sucks, but it's not okay forsomeone else to bring up facts about you because you are the server Op. Yeah real noble. 03:32:01 You're wrong. You hate being wrong and that's the bottom line. Go to bed. Your attitude is undesirable. 03:32:15 wh1t3r4b_: 1. this has nothing to do with me being a 'server op', this has to do with me starting to be VERY tired of your attitude in this channel 03:32:23 2. multiple people have pointed out the exact same problems with your attitude 03:32:39 3. you are on the edge, if I see so much as a *hint* towards continued personal attacks, you're gone 03:32:53 you've reached the end of my patience 03:33:02 if you want to bitch at people and refuse to learn anything, then go do that elsewhere 03:33:32 your inability to deal with criticism is not my problem 03:33:37 nor should it be anyone elses 03:33:49 you have repeatedly verbally attacked several users in this channel that were trying to help you 03:33:51 1. You come at me like you are better, hence I throw attitude back. 03:33:52 and you've used up all your chances 03:34:05 2. This is rediculous. 03:34:23 I don't care whether you think it's ridiculous or not 03:34:23 behave or you're gone 03:34:41 I behave. 03:34:44 good. 03:35:10 However I will not tolerate snide remarks about my coding ability. 03:35:46 deal with it 03:36:12 if you're refusing to improve your code or code methods, then don't complain when someone points out that your code sucks 03:36:16 I see it's a double standard then? 03:36:19 that's entirely your own choice you're making there 03:36:22 no, not at all 03:36:26 I need to behave but nobody else does? 03:36:42 the bitching you are receiving has an actual basis that derives from your decisions and the code you write 03:36:49 joepie91, GO TO BED 03:36:50 the bitching you are handing out is solely 'revenge' 03:36:51 So if i'm offended fuck me but if someone else is offended fuck me too? 03:36:53 because people piss you off 03:36:55 by criticizing you 03:36:57 * Kamonra wags finger 03:37:00 wh1t3r4b_: READ WHAT I SAY BEFORE COMPLAINING 03:37:01 Awesome 03:37:12 I see how it is now Joe thanks for clairifying 03:37:15 I am perfectly fine with criticism 03:37:22 I am NOT fine with senseless bitching just because you can't handle criticism 03:37:37 and yes, harsh criticism is fine WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY CRITICISM. 03:37:51 clear enough? 03:38:10 Fucking crystal. 03:38:18 good. 03:39:14 You're always right. I'm always wrong. Period. I need to take it and not dish it. Oh and never accept Joe's help when he is tired. 03:39:25 Got it 03:39:30 g'night 03:40:13 wh1t3r4b_: edge 03:40:40 joepie91: center 03:41:05 Wooosaahhh broham 03:41:30 Take a deep breath, have some sleepytime tea. And relax. 03:42:48 Is ok for us to disagree. maybe will push us both to do better. Mostly me in coding but you have a few things to think about also. 03:42:57 * wh1t3r4b_ puts hand out 03:43:34 * lady-3jane is having a hard time keeping mouth shut 03:43:50 * lady-3jane endeavors to do so 03:43:59 * wh1t3r4b_ wishes people would open mouth more often 03:45:15 haha, no you don't 03:45:29 * wh1t3r4b_ assumes that Joe won't shake hands. 03:45:50 * wh1t3r4b_ shrugs and goes back to becoming a superior coder. 03:45:52 I assume he went to bed 03:46:08 or at least checked out of this chan 03:48:04 I like Joe, he just seems to always be like annoyed with helping me. Maybe I am misinterpreting him though like way before we even start arguing. 03:48:33 I'm horrible at reading situations. 03:49:33 Anyways. I hope he has nice dreams. I had a wicked awesome dream last night. I was pissed off that I woke up actually lmao. 03:51:33 *** wh1t3r4b_ has quit (User quit: Leaving...) 03:52:13 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:54:30 Toadies! 03:57:45 NP: [Toadies - I Come from the Water] [Rubberneck] [947kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 03:57:48 toadies! 03:59:49 lol rubberneck was the album i was listeneing to also. did they even make any other albums? hehe 04:02:29 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 04:03:08 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:05:03 *** THX1337b (THX1337b@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 04:05:15 yeah, like 6 04:05:33 released one last year, even 04:06:25 *** THX1337b has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 04:06:42 fuckin govbots 04:11:35 LOL 04:12:01 Blur! 04:14:42 either of you two have a working tor bitcoin internal service? 04:15:44 nup sorry 04:15:49 ive never needed bitcoin 04:16:47 weezer! 04:17:49 oh, my setup finally works 04:18:42 NP: [Filter - Hey Man, Nice Shot] [Short Bus] [849kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 04:22:14 badass 04:22:22 bitcoin over tor ftw 04:22:47 bitcoin network is not suited for high throughput data routing 04:23:09 no shit 04:23:26 I wouldn't call a block every 10 minutes particularly high throughput 04:25:15 Pearl Jam - Black 04:25:45 lol bocks are huge 04:26:28 well "block chains" 04:26:56 yes, if I were downloading the whole fucking thing 04:27:06 fortunately I have multiple computers running 080rc1 04:27:27 and so I can just wget the blockchain from my own computer 04:28:30 waiting on the last few blocks is no biggie for me or the network 04:29:35 NP: [Brenda Boykin - Hard Swing Travellin' Man] [CD 1 - Tempo, Tempo, Tempo] [924kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 04:50:10 *** xnite has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:51:12 *** xnite (xnite@xnite.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:52:56 this is now the topic: http://youtu.be/f488uJAQgmw 05:28:12 Pahahahaha 05:33:31 Push 05:33:31 by Matchbox Twenty 05:46:46 ew 05:51:54 Bitter Sweet Symphony 05:51:54 by The Verve 06:32:39 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 06:34:18 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:39:55 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 06:54:13 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:02:30 *** Sabit (NOL@Sabit.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:04:31 is joepie there? 07:04:56 Sabit:) he's asleep 07:05:10 dang 07:08:06 alright i shall crash then 07:08:08 *** Sabit has quit (User quit: cows go moooooooooo) 07:13:56 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 07:34:09 Optionals account details setup and update are working... now I move on to financial info and PDO. 07:34:21 secured API 07:34:27 The fun stuff 07:34:35 SSL 07:34:58 Yeah I'm ready to do the complex shit. 07:55:45 *** Private_Ryan has quit (Ping timeout) 08:19:14 jiggle boots squared 08:27:41 *** maxQ has quit (User quit: leaving) 08:28:04 *** maxQ (john@maxQ.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 08:47:28 .serialize is not getting my select field. the select has a name. this is weird. researching... 08:52:36 lol it's not working for options with value and it's not working for options without vale. 08:52:53 lmfao wtf... this is extremely odd. 08:53:07 more research 09:01:41 okay so apparently you can't apply the :input[value] parameter to the serialization or it won't pick up select fields. hmmm 09:01:46 more research 09:29:44 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:11:19 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:11:45 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:57:44 *** dave (dave@cryto-1DAF8730.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #crytocc 11:03:31 *** Matrix (hackbook@4DD35523.6464AF6B.F0DF4C69.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:14:49 omg 11:14:56 valentines day in 2 days 11:15:01 FOREVER ALONE!!! 11:17:10 *** lady-3jane has quit (Ping timeout) 11:17:12 *** flyingpenis has quit (Ping timeout) 11:48:41 *** Private_Ryan (Private_Ry@PrivateRyan-10437.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 11:50:48 *** Private_Ryan has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 11:52:49 *** Private_Ryan (Private_Ry@PrivateRyan-10437.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:02:27 *** flyingpenis (flyingpeni@flyingpenis.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:02:28 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:05:03 *** eggtimer (eggtimer@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 12:06:24 *** eggtimer has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 12:11:00 *** lady-3jane has quit (Ping timeout) 12:11:09 *** flyingpenis has quit (Ping timeout) 12:24:14 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:24:55 *** flyingpenis (flyingpeni@flyingpenis.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:26:34 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@D68C9ED.3BC0875E.71C5A468.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:29:25 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:37:42 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:58:46 *** Private_Ryan has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 13:23:00 * joepie91 yawns 13:23:02 morning 13:23:11 arguing with #python 13:23:12 fun.... 13:23:29 okay so apparently you can't apply the :input[value] parameter to the serialization or it won't pick up select fields. hmmm 13:23:33 that seems... logical? 13:23:39 seeing as a 13:23:48 Matrix: I feel for you 13:23:53 is the topic twisted? 13:24:04 guy called jim 13:24:18 apparently he have been "wasting peoples time" by trying to help 13:24:20 and got banned 13:24:30 so i questioned Ygh1s' behavior 13:24:38 and i think it could be handeled in a number of ways 13:27:09 merp 13:27:11 atleast i wasnt banned 13:27:12 Matrix: and you're not b& yet? 13:27:17 lol, simulthoughts 13:27:29 not but really 13:27:35 if they banned me for raising the concern 13:27:40 it would just turn out even worse 13:27:51 one guy even tried to call me a troll :P 13:27:55 that never held back the ops that banned me... 13:27:56 anyway 13:27:58 http://pastebin.com/T8ceUipi 13:28:00 PortKnox' free owncloud service is shutting down 13:28:02 i like #clojure soooooo much better then #python 13:28:21 pretty much every channel is better than #python 13:28:27 so that's not hard 13:28:50 #python is probably like the least helpful and most ignorant channel on freenode... 13:29:01 also one of the biggest ._. 13:29:08 (this is a Problem) 13:29:17 i know 13:29:21 but they defend it with 13:29:40 "We still have people here which helps people. So its just a imagenary problem! not a real one" 13:30:01 and that like....turns a blind eye too how the community could have been 13:30:16 haha, yes 13:30:21 and sadly 13:30:25 :/ 13:30:33 that response fits EXACTLY in the ignorance going on there 13:30:34 try saying the docs are bad because X and Y 13:30:36 so hard believing Ygh1s is a core dev 13:30:55 joepie91: you and your docs :P 13:30:56 instead of them showing interest in how to fix it 13:31:05 you will have half the channel on your throat 13:31:13 arguing on how the docs are "fine and I never have problems with it" 13:31:23 despite just having pointed out concrete issues and that many people complain about it in silence 13:31:34 I was chatting with another python dude her at beer and programming 13:31:38