00:13:15 good morning 00:18:52 loggy, pointer? 00:18:52 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-16#T00-18-52 00:19:41 loggy, yesterday? 00:26:38 After a good sleep I'm ready to figure out this PDO crap. 00:27:04 Seems like NOBODY uses postgresql. 00:27:27 * wh1t3r4bb1t thinks about using mySQL instead 00:33:26 wh1t3r4bb1t: many people use postgresql, just usually not with PHP 00:33:27 anyway 00:33:30 re: all 00:33:34 useful reference table for MySQL users: http://help.scibit.com/mascon/masconMySQL_Field_Types.html 00:34:01 to make sense of the mysql type mess 00:34:28 *** joepie91 has parted #crytocc (None) 00:34:34 *** joepie91 (joepie91@joepie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:45:05 loggy, pancakes? 00:53:08 joepie91, should I be using a different server side language to interact with postgresql? 01:01:46 loggy doesn't make pancakes, sorry 01:01:51 and well, I don't really see why 01:02:03 regardless of what language you use, postgresql usage will be roughly the same 01:10:06 I've been searching endlessly for info on PDO PostgreSQL and can find only minimal or incorrect documentation. It seems like people either have no idea what they are talking about, are shity teachers or just want this whole PDO PostgreSQL knowledge to be secretive. Every single article I read provides non-working code. I learn best from the exact code examples. Seems like there are none. 01:11:25 All of the examples that actually work are pg_ examples. 01:12:07 So, I'm starting to wonder if maybe the PDO for postgres isn't coveted. 01:13:11 I know it's a standardized method but I can't get PDO to work with posgre but I can get it to work using mysql. 01:14:25 And I'm using the exact same code only switching out the connection parameters from mysql: to pgsql: 01:16:08 wh1t3r4bb1t: have you changed the syntax 01:16:10 to be postgresql syntax 01:16:16 of the actual SQL statements I mean 01:16:29 Yes 01:16:42 I'm using very basic statements that are universal 01:17:32 then I have no idea 01:17:33 INSERT INTO accounts (account_num, user_id, btc_balance, currency_balance, currency_code) VALUES (1360942681339123, '1', 0, 0, 'USD') 01:17:39 have you tried dropping by in ##php 01:17:40 ? 01:17:41 on freenode 01:17:46 hm 01:17:48 try replacing ' with " 01:17:49 ? 01:18:30 The documentation on PGSQL says use single quotes. 01:18:42 oh wait 01:18:45 I'm confusing something 01:18:48 enclose the field names in " 01:18:51 not the values 01:18:59 I will be extremely pissed off to discover that the information on the postgress site is false. 01:19:16 wh1t3r4bb1t: the postgresql site says use " around names 01:19:17 so, try that 01:19:18 :p 01:19:31 The syntax shown is without any quotes on the field names 01:19:45 Hmmm 01:19:47 Link 01:19:48 ? 01:20:02 http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Things_to_find_out_about_when_moving_from_MySQL_to_PostgreSQL 01:20:09 MySQL uses ' or " to quote values (i.e. WHERE name = "John"). This is not the ANSI standard for databases. PostgreSQL uses only single quotes for this (i.e. WHERE name = 'John'). Double quotes are used to quote system identifiers; field names, table names, etc. (i.e. WHERE "last name" = 'Smith'). 01:20:11 the last sentence 01:20:17 also, argh, procrastinating again 01:20:22 need to get back to work D: 01:20:57 ok well their manual reads this: INSERT INTO products VALUES (1, 'Cheese', 9.99); 01:21:54 Anyways this is a cluster-fuck on misinformation regarding PDO and Postgres. 01:22:05 wh1t3r4bb1t: have you tried putting the field names in double quotes 01:22:13 like, have you actually attempted it 01:22:25 I will try right now 01:22:28 k 01:22:51 Just because, sometimes documentation is complete shit. :P 01:53:06 nada: I know x86 ASM 01:53:09 what do you need? 01:55:54 (disclaimer: I dont like it too much, and Im not that great at it) 02:08:40 I'm so confused 02:08:47 I have two fields in a mysql table that have the exact same settings 02:08:54 timestamp, null, default null 02:09:06 in practice, one defaults to null and the other defaults to 0000-00-00 00:00:00 02:09:09 the fuck? 02:09:36 it's extra strange because that's not even a valid value for a timestamp field 02:09:46 * joepie91 not sure if problem with mysql or phpmyadmin 02:12:05 actually 02:12:24 alot of systems print a zero date for a null value in a timestamp field 02:12:26 ie: Golang 02:12:31 doublecheck that though 02:14:04 * twitchyliquid64 pokes joepie91 with a bunny 02:15:39 *** nada has quit (Ping timeout) 02:22:57 *** BLTGeno has quit (Ping timeout) 02:23:11 no quotes 02:23:59 I got it working but there were errors in the code I copied over into my class for the --construct method 02:24:07 *__construct 02:31:50 Like I said practically every example of code for the PDO is wrong. 02:38:33 alot of systems print a zero date for a null value in a timestamp field 02:38:41 the problem is not printing a zero date 02:38:46 the problem is that it only does that in 1 of 2 fields.. 02:40:57 I dont understand your problem 02:41:03 if a field is of type date 02:41:14 then it will print null in the form of a zero date 02:41:42 If a field is a different type, then it will represent null differently 02:47:35 twitchyliquid64: okay, again. 02:47:38 I have TWO timestamp fields 02:47:46 BOTH are set to null, default null 02:47:56 when exporting the table, they produce equivalent lines 02:48:06 in practice, one becomes a zero date, and the other shows NULL 02:48:07 in phpmyadmin 02:48:11 that is the problem 02:48:16 why do two 'identical' fields show up differently? 02:56:30 motherfuckers I'm playing css natively on linux. Your argument is invalid! 02:58:11 Penis 02:58:25 Ari! 02:58:47 Did you see?... http://btcmutual.com 02:58:54 nope! 02:59:02 too busy BEING AWESOME 02:59:24 * wh1t3r4bb1t points finger at lady-3jane 02:59:36 * wh1t3r4bb1t moonwalks 03:00:10 wh1t3r4bb1t 03:00:12 http://owely.com/515CTII 03:00:17 also 03:00:25 make the calendar thing only collapse on footer click 03:00:29 also 03:00:35 add an up/down arrow on footer 03:00:38 to indicate slide-ness 03:03:06 I have no idea what the link represents lol 03:03:39 NP: [Pendulum - Slam (Essential Mix Version)] [BBC Radio One Essential Mix 18-09-05] [194kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 03:04:23 AHAH 03:04:24 FUCK YES 03:04:39 if you hit shuffle songs instead of random, you can go back and forth inside the shuffle 03:04:46 HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA 03:04:47 WIN 03:04:57 I CAN UNDO THE SHUFFLE 03:05:07 * lady-3jane is a shuffle mastah 03:05:14 NP: [Dirty Disco Youth - Heads...Off (Mustard Pimp Remix)] […Off EP] [315kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 03:05:34 joepie91 what is that screen shot supposed to bo about? 03:05:58 why is the menu down there 03:06:01 and not next to the rest 03:07:06 The main menu is at the top of the page 03:07:44 I can see that the sidebar seems to be collapsing under the main content 03:08:13 Maybe your screen was not wide enough? 03:09:19 joepie91 I call shoop 03:10:29 wh1t3r4bb1t: not wide enough? 03:10:35 maybe your layout is too wide 03:10:48 960px is still considered the default acceptable for fixed/min-width 03:11:12 I'm on 1370x768 or whatever 03:11:16 bog standard laptop resolution 03:14:46 Ohhh I see what you mean 03:14:59 I'll fix it later 03:15:17 Busy with API right now 03:20:19 okay 03:20:20 time to sleep 03:20:21 night all 03:27:16 *** lady-3jane has quit (User quit: Leaving) 03:30:32 night 03:31:01 garfunkle 03:41:31 Oh hey wh1t3r4bb1t 03:41:44 OOH FANCY NEW SITE 03:43:12 mm wh1t3r4bb1t 03:43:15 found a liiitle bug 03:43:33 in the register field, it only AJAXs when you type, so choosing a chrome/ff autocomplete thing won't validate 03:44:21 I know, I been trying to figure out the trigger for autoselect 03:44:28 maybe it's .autoselect lol 03:45:23 I been working on the API for the financial data today so I can start testing the back end stuff. 03:45:41 *** ANONKAX (xorgs@61CF8498.C20DD7F6.17461EB7.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:45:57 How have you been? Not seen you for days. 03:45:59 * ANONKAX Hi , all 03:46:14 Hey, ANONKAX 03:49:10 *** ANONKAX has quit (Input/output error) 03:49:18 *** ANONKAX (xorgs@61CF8498.C20DD7F6.17461EB7.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:50:00 i registed the nickname .. 03:50:03 i like here 03:50:06 :) 03:51:30 cool 03:52:03 hmmm ftp server is being funky 03:53:00 must have been a peer or relay 03:53:07 works now 03:54:19 what ftp? 03:56:32 *** Sabit (NOL@Sabit.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:56:37 joepie91 hihi 03:56:47 ANONKAX: file / data server 03:56:51 He went to sleep 03:56:54 damnit 03:56:55 !staff 03:56:56 Sabit: you missed him by 30 mins 03:56:56 why do i always miss him 03:56:59 :) 03:57:01 whhhyyyyy 03:57:08 Sabit: too slow :) 03:57:09 hi twitchyliquid64 03:57:11 damnit sports 03:57:11 Because you slow :P 03:57:19 just got home from practice 03:57:23 hi ANONKAX 03:59:23 twitchyliquid64 I solved the problem with Crypter, worked something he now gave fud 03:59:37 ANONKAX: do not talk about that stuff on here 04:00:17 I saw the status order, and I wanted to see if a listing. 04:00:44 ok, sorry if I did something wrong. 04:00:57 np :) 04:02:31 *** ANONKAX has quit (Input/output error) 04:08:49 I told ANONKAX that this channel is publicly logged, and that he shouldnt talk about illegal stuff and hacking on this channel 04:09:03 And also told him off for what he was doing cause its wrong 04:09:17 and he panicked and left when I told him about the loggin 04:21:58 *** Ishaq (Ishaq@cryto-6C73979.rf.usr.sh) has joined #crytocc 04:41:29 lol 04:41:38 Some people are so intellegent 04:44:28 i'm having the worse time with this API right now lol 05:50:40 Ok so, insert, update and delete are easy. Got that handled. 05:51:15 For the life of me I can't get the result rows from my PDO object. 05:51:33 Frustration is mounting. 05:59:46 *** Sabit has quit (User quit: cows go moooooooooo) 06:09:48 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:04:36 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 07:10:07 *** Angelina (ooo@Angelina.vhosted) has joined #crytocc 07:10:17 Where is somerandomnick? 07:37:29 @ somerandomplace ;) 07:38:30 This whole API is like 10 dicks in a bucket of shit. 07:39:39 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 07:41:07 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 07:47:40 ping pimeout? 07:47:51 timeout*? 07:53:45 Well I got results from the API and the rowsets and now I'm trying to bring it into the front end. 07:53:50 :D 07:54:32 Cool feature: API returns XML or JSON results depending on parameter given. Defaults to XML. 08:05:03 *** eggtimer (eggtimer@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 08:06:24 *** eggtimer has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 09:40:14 *** Private_Ryan (Private_Ry@PrivateRyan-10437.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:40:18 *** Private_Ryan has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:16:38 *** ryan (h@cryto-7D39AC80.static.srsvps.com) has joined #crytocc 11:16:51 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 11:20:50 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:33:52 Sweet got the financial account creation and display done under the "MyAccount" section. 11:36:42 Next is the add mutual funds capability and deposits. Fuck yeah once the deposits are up she can accept bitcoin or other currency payments and they will be displayed in the My Account section. 11:36:46 * wh1t3r4bb1t is excited 11:40:08 Will have an array of 50 top of the line bitcoin miners (hardware) delivered soon. Those little gems are expensive. 11:40:59 Time for recreation now. I did good work today. I'm right on schedule. 11:41:07 * wh1t3r4bb1t cracks beer. 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I've basically been trying to define some terms we can use to begin discussing post-capitalist economics, as well as maybe to understand how that system will work and when it will come about, etc. 19:32:23 The basis for my discussions relies on three theoretical devices which I see as inevitable (given technological trends continue on an infinite timescale): The Replicator, the Ansible, and the Battery. 19:33:04 oh, pzuraq 19:33:18 channel is now publicly logged 19:33:23 if you didn't know already 19:33:25 let me read what you said in a sec 19:33:29 mmk 19:33:31 sweet 19:34:16 Everything beyond this, I believe, is mostly if not entirely speculation (the system of economics and politics is simply to complex to predict given the number of players.) 19:34:42 I believe that we can make very general predictions much like science fiction in the past has, and that they may be in the same general direction that society is heading 19:36:11 sounds like a good idea so far 19:36:14 but we will be off by a very large margin as to the final form of this. So, it is best to consider our baseline NOT how the economic system itself will work (combinatorial explosion, could occur in trillions of different ways) but the technologies which will drive it (asymptotically predictable, given current trends) 19:37:36 Let me define the technologies first to give you a baseline for the discussion 19:38:22 The Replicator is a device which can take any matter, break it down to the subatomic level (protons, neutrons, electrons) and recombine it into any other form of matter, including another Replicator. 19:38:49 The Ansible is a computer which can communicate directly with any other Ansible. 19:39:20 The Battery is an infinite power source which is small enough to be operated by a single individual. 19:40:27 These techs are derived from modern technology taken to the extreme: 3D printers -> Replicators, Internet -> Ansibles, Solar Cells -> Batteries 19:42:14 the implementation specifics are not very important so much as the way the techs operate. With these technologies, an individual could live *economically* independent of the rest of society, while still receiving all of the benefits of being part of the modern system of capitalism/consumerism (i.e. Tech/Products they could not create themselves otherwise) 19:43:10 also, it's important to note that these are asymptotic ideals; There will be many stages of technology in between modern tech and this ideal future tech which will facilitate change 19:43:12 wow 19:43:15 that's a mouthful... 19:43:21 ok, so that's the basis of my discussions 19:43:59 Inevitably this leads to questions of "Well, how will you prevent nuclear war? Everyone can make bombs! All it takes it one psycho!" 19:44:00 Which is where I wanted to query you 19:44:23 I see the world of the future, facilitated by these techs, as being inherently much more anarchistic than the current one 19:44:44 there simply won't be a way to enforce bans of drugs/guns/dangerous techs, etc 19:45:00 government will be much more localized, and much more distributed 19:45:29 and I continuously find myself being drawn back to our first conversations about anarchy, and how you defined it: 19:45:58 "Anarchy is not the enforced absence of government, but the absence of enforced government." 19:46:20 and some of the original justifications for why, for instance, murder would not be ok in an anarchistic world 19:47:17 Each individual has a right to freedom -> By killing a person, you are infringing upon that right 19:47:59 I was wondering if you might be able to expand upon this a bit more. I'm curious as to how you envisage an anarchistic world working while maintaining peace and order (or at least maximizing it) 19:48:36 I think I'll need some undisturbed time first, to think about the things you mentioned 19:48:39 those three basic concepts 19:48:57 I won't have that undisturbed time for at least the next 5 hours, so we should probably resume discussion on this at a later point 19:49:33 fair enough, I'm also pretty busy (or should be) so ping me when your free to talk if I'm still around 19:49:59 probably won't be until I've slept 19:50:10 (which happens to be best time for overthinkings) 19:50:15 so, stick around :D 19:50:32 also, for reference 19:50:32 loggy, pointer? 19:50:32 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-02-16#T19-50-32 19:50:59 (I can easily find back potentially interesting points in the logs by marking them like this :) 19:52:26 sweet! 19:52:27 like it 19:54:11 also, pzuraq, interesting reading: http://www.slideshare.net/codinghorror/how-to-stop-sucking-and-be-awesome-instead 19:58:30 *** zest has quit (Ping timeout) 20:02:55 good read. Agree on most points. 20:10:53 completely unrelated 20:10:53 http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/02/16/mega-update-dotcoms-service-now-accepts-bitcoin-will-expand-into-email-chat-voice-video-and-mobile/ 20:11:00 Kim Dotcom knows how to stir up a storm on Twitter. On Saturday, he announced Bitcoin support for his cloud storage service and also sent out a slew of tweets suggesting Mega is going to become much more than just the successor to Megaupload. 20:11:53 and just days ago, Reddit started accepting Bitcoin for Reddit Gold 20:12:00 cc pzuraq 20:13:03 Bitcoin is interesting, I'm not sure how it will play out in the long run but it may be an important part in post capitalism. 20:14:01 Postcapitalism will for a long time still necessitate trade for certain resources, since scarcity won't be eliminated until Replicators are capable of atomic transfiguration (i.e. changing one element to another, led -> gold) 20:14:55 molecular printers will be able to synthesize a variety of materials which cannot be fabricated easily currently (such as carbon nanomaterials) so scarcity will definitely be lessened overall, but there will still be shortages of certain elements 20:14:58 pzuraq: I'd say there are two stages of "no scarcity" 20:15:21 1. the absence of scarcity being likely enough to start building on it 20:15:27 2. the absence of scarcity being certain 20:15:30 we're already in 1 20:15:34 replicators would provide 2 20:15:43 as in, 'transfigurative' replicators 20:16:24 I would say there is another in between stage, as I said with molecular printers (able to assemble structures on a molecular level) since this will give us a wealth of new options for materials 20:16:40 carbon could replace metals for vehicles, housing, reinforcement, etc 20:16:43 and it is much more common 20:16:54 I don't include that in the concept on purpose 20:17:09 as far as I am aware, all of these things are already possible, just not financially feasible 20:18:35 hmm, I see your point. I suppose part of my assumption is that a person with little training and resources would be able to maintain/operate this machine. 20:18:45 One could look at all of humanity as one massive "replicator" right now 20:19:05 agreed, to a degree 20:19:17 it's about scaling it down to first smaller groups of people (100-1000) and then to the individual scale 20:19:20 humanity as a whole does not possess all of the qualities of the hypothetical replicator you were describing 20:19:26 true 20:19:33 so it can't be considered identical 20:19:38 just similar enough to already start working with it 20:20:18 precisely. This is a big part of my hypothesis. 20:20:47 either way, we should discuss in detail later on 20:20:54 Consider humanity as a molecular replicator (atomic = able to change elements, molecular = able to change molecules but not elements) 20:20:54 I have to get some work done in the next, say, 4 hours 20:20:58 it's quite urgent 20:20:58 :p 20:21:01 sure, I will just log my thoughts here real quick 20:21:28 okay :) 20:22:26 Humanity is a very large molecular replicator. Let us say that humanity ~ 10 billion people, and that for the sake of argument that with modern tech, those people can transform any molecular configuration into any other. 20:23:25 The trend is that smaller and smaller groups of people will be able to do the same thing on a smaller scale. 20:24:11 Currently, if a small group of people were to attempt to remain economically independent of the rest of humanity, they would not be able to accomplish the same kinds of transformations that humanity can currently. 20:24:49 there would be a certain level of technology which they would, essentially, be stuck at. Advancement from that position would be slow at best. 20:25:52 But, technology is moving forward and lowering that requirement step by step. At some point, people will be able to accomplish the same kinds of *transformations* that humanity can currently (though not at the same volume) 20:27:24 this is a key turning point economically, because this is a catalyst for transitioning to economic independence. There are many people who would love to be independent, but would not do it because they cannot accomplish the same tasks as society as whole can. 20:27:40 For instance, being able to fabricate a car, or being able to fabricate an integrated circuit. 20:28:20 when a group of ~100 people can fabricate their own cars, circuits, solar panels, etc. There will be a wave of people transitioning to economic independence. 21:23:39 *** zest (zest@D0D37178.BFBA9838.37683FEF.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:28:37 hey guys you are talking about Mars 20:28:20 when a group of ~100 people can fabricate their own cars, circuits, solar panels, etc. There will be a wave of people transitioning to economic independence. ^) 21:29:17 20:28:20? 21:31:11 this kind of technology will facilitate a mars colony 21:31:27 probably not only Mars :) 21:32:27 I think that kind of tech is the only way humanity as a whole is going to move past corporatism/consumerism 21:42:32 *** Frozen_Shadow has quit (Ping timeout) 21:44:08 *** Frozen_Shadow (Frozen_Sha@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 21:49:08 pzuraq: I agree entirely 21:49:20 I personally have put ALOt of thought into this over the past year 21:52:59 mm? Care to elaborate? 21:55:45 I think you have said everything 21:55:55 however my thoughts have been more practical 21:56:01 have you studied nuclear physics? 21:56:47 basically, through fusion reactions, we can not only produce as much energy as we would ever need, but also transmute elements. 21:57:10 From those elements we would be able to use robots and industrial mechanisms to build anything 21:57:17 THE CATCH: 21:57:29 we dont know how to do a sustained/controlled fusions reaction yet. 21:58:03 yeah, ultimately I think fusion reactions will be a major part of generating energy 21:58:29 Do you know about the energy deficit calcualations? 21:58:36 doubling their usage as the recombinant part of a replicator may be useful, and in fact may be the only way to do that 21:58:37 E = MC^2 21:58:50 I know the equation, but not energy deficit calcs 21:58:52 what're those? 21:58:58 lets say we have a kilo of hydrogen 21:59:25 if we transmute/fuse that to produce helium 21:59:48 the energy deficit in the reaction is large enough to power the entire human races' electricity usage. 22:00:00 for the last 2000 years 22:00:51 The problem is controlling that kind of reaction and doing it on a mass scale 22:01:05 that's why I say atomic replicators are asymptotic 22:01:06 yep 22:01:23 they will probably exist *at some point*, but for right now they are a long ways off 22:01:36 at least several centuries, at most several millenia 22:01:50 yeah 22:01:58 unless the ray kurzweil is right, anyways :P 22:02:08 by then our current economic model would have failed, or been forced to change 22:03:06 last most probable 22:03:24 and first just evidence 22:04:27 hopefully it will have changed. There will likely be many many pseudo-post-capitalism states where money still exists, profit is still made, but things which are bought are less needed for life 22:04:29 like food 22:05:15 when 3d printers hit the mainstream I expect that there will be a lot of innovation in small scale farming 22:05:38 simple little tools that will make it much easier to keep a self-sufficient garden growing 22:06:05 more and more people will be able to live solely off that closed system, furthering economic independence 22:06:29 I think, however, that solar panels will be the first major tech shift we see among the consumers 22:06:59 food will require at least some work and a decent plot of land for some time, making it only viable for small-medium communes with a dedicated farmer 22:07:16 this never happen I think at least world not become unity and one nation 22:07:43 solar on the other hand will quickly become cheap enough to justify going off the grid entirely. Individuals will buy solar panels and batteries and go entirely electric 22:07:48 no more gas/electric bills :) 22:08:02 that will kickstart the "off the grid" movement 22:08:15 water become in deficit 22:08:19 more and more people will try to find ways to cut individual living costs, furthering economic independence 22:08:45 water is a big one, unfortunately not everyone will have access to water without a municipal utility for some time 22:08:55 but, places like Seattle will be fine 22:09:02 rain catchers and water purifiers 22:09:07 ) 22:09:18 people near the see will be able to create purifiers and run them with solar power 22:09:32 s/see/sea 22:23:44 Earth become more and more overpopulated and not a safe place anymore, people will look for alternative living, like open space or another places 22:32:44 Information should be free to decrease bad influence of moral hazard problem 22:40:05 one step at a time my friend 22:40:38 leaving the confines of earth will require a joint effort from a large number of people with little to no reward for the individuals who are part of the project. 22:41:01 Our culture needs to change first, and for our culture to change our society must change. 22:41:51 I think the free flow of information is a big part of this. In a post scarcity world, much information will be free and available to everyone. Open source will become the norm for both physical and non-physical objects. 22:42:00 The open source ethos is what will carry us to space. 22:43:35 truth and purity 22:51:07 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 22:52:08 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:05:03 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 23:06:24 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 23:15:03 *** zest has quit (User quit: Leaving) 23:19:36 Good morning 23:22:20 hai wh1t3r4bb1t 23:22:24 also hai pzuraq 23:22:28 (again) 23:23:03 Guess what joepie91 23:23:04 hey 23:23:07 wh1t3r4bb1t: dicks? 23:23:22 and balls! 23:23:24 lol 23:23:28 j/k 23:23:28 knew it 23:23:40 I do PDO now. 23:24:25 It's not so hard but I had to figure some things out for myself. :D 23:24:26 and it works? 23:24:28 yay 23:24:31 Yup 23:24:32 document them 23:24:34 :P 23:24:45 with postgres 23:24:59 I'm going to paste my class again 23:25:29 It still needs a bit of additions though because I like to have functions for everything built in. 23:25:50 like joins and shit like that 23:26:41 hows the non-recurring donations reminder thing going? 23:28:39 wh1t3r4bb1t: Database ORM? 23:31:25 wh1t3r4bb1t: momentarily temporarily occupied by other stuff 23:31:37 current status of redonate is subscription form working 23:31:38 No DAAL 23:31:51 and reading up on swiftmailer 23:31:53 to implement it 23:31:54 including mail queue 23:32:03 Sweet 23:36:52 It's time to work on accepting payment methods. Yay! 23:50:49 wh1t3r4bb1t: whee