00:00:28 of course 00:00:34 almost everything is centralised 00:00:58 only bittorrent and Guntella and freenet and i2p really are not centralisd 00:01:08 it makes me think it was the first system invented for large scale environments? 00:01:24 or just the most main stream/easy to setup? 00:01:48 what are pros and cons of both of them? 00:01:54 if you know 00:02:58 well, centralised is easy to setup 00:03:10 and better in every way except two 00:03:19 1. It has a single point of failure 00:03:24 2. Sometimes can be difficult to scale. 00:03:27 *** Art has quit (User quit: leaving) 00:04:03 aw 00:04:04 ok 00:07:07 ohai 00:07:29 never /list on freenode 00:07:37 Python does not come with a default xmpp library 00:07:40 not sure how bad news? 00:07:49 I mean, this is what pypy is for 00:08:23 can't we make a fake hash solving program with "solves" 100 GH/s and before we get spotted > cashout :D 00:08:24 lol 00:09:17 joepie91, What do you think of flattr? 00:09:22 I like the idea, but it has its faults 00:09:36 * stuck with certain payment processors 00:09:38 * high fees 00:09:53 * donating directly is a bit messy 00:10:04 never /list on freenode 00:10:05 ahhh 00:10:14 you are now officially familiar with IRC 00:10:14 :) 00:10:38 lol 00:10:50 that moment when you /list on freenode and immediately regret it, is the moment of inauguration so to say 00:11:03 :D 00:13:38 WHO HIGHLIGHTED ME 00:13:52 DrWhat 00:13:56 I did.. 00:13:59 hai zxcvbnm 00:14:04 also MY INTERNET IS BORKED AGAIN 00:14:05 hey joepie 00:14:08 IMMA FIRING MEH LAZZAR 00:14:29 * zxcvbnm was disappointed to learn there is no default xmpp library w/ Python 00:15:31 zxcvbnm: why? 00:15:37 just install a package for it.. 00:15:58 joepie91: I'm trying not to install any packages in my sandbox cause they probably won't end up in production 00:16:16 zxcvbnm: that seems like an unrealistic requirement 00:16:29 the *point* of Python is that you have a proper package management system 00:16:36 so that you can easily reproduce your environment elsewhere 00:17:07 joepie91: Well, let's just say some engineers would be happier if I didn't try to start bringing in multiple packages 00:17:16 then they aren't proper engineers 00:17:17 joepie91: It's not out of the question, I'm just saying, I'm trying to minimize it. 00:17:18 ffs 00:17:34 saying you don't want to install any packages in Python is like saying that you want to browse the web but don't want to install a web browser 00:17:39 The more lightweight I bring my project, the better it will be received 00:17:44 * joepie91 sighs 00:17:48 * zxcvbnm nods 00:17:48 zxcvbnm: that is not how Python works... 00:17:50 this isn't PEAR 00:17:55 * zxcvbnm googles pear 00:18:01 ah 00:18:06 using third party packages is a core component of the Python language design 00:18:20 if anyone objects to using third party packages in Python, tell them to read up on their shit 00:18:24 because they clearly have nfi what they're talking about 00:18:54 The reason I imagine there will be resistance is because this is going to be a relatively new environment of a big Splunk infrastructure like 6 months in the coming 00:19:19 So, for me to come in and be like hey guys, I wanna start throwin packages on the box, do you mind? 00:19:20 so..? 00:19:25 ... 00:19:33 that. is. an. inherent. part. of. using. python. 00:19:45 Just saying. anticipating resistance. Would've been chill if there was an xmpp library by default. one less hurdle. 00:19:46 ffs 00:19:46 saying you don't want to install any packages in Python is like saying that you want to browse the web but don't want to install a web browser 00:19:51 idc 00:19:55 tell them to get their shit in order 00:20:02 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-78DF0B68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 00:20:06 me. knows. me isn't resisting installing packages. me knows others will. 00:20:21 zxcvbnm: well, *I* can't explain this to others for you 00:20:26 so clearly you're the one that will have to do the explaining 00:20:29 :| 00:20:30 clearly. 00:20:33 I'll be able to 00:20:42 good, so grab an XMPP library and call it a day 00:20:49 and explain why python works how it works 00:20:58 you know what would be cool? 00:21:04 if python came with just a litttttle xmpp library 00:21:06 just a little guy. 00:21:08 lol. 00:21:11 * zxcvbnm fears the wrath 00:22:08 zxcvbnm: why would it? 00:22:12 the stdlib is too bloated as it is 00:22:18 it's a *standard library* 00:22:19 joepie91: it comes w/ a smtplib 00:22:27 yes, because smtp is something used by the entire world 00:22:28 xmpp is not 00:22:36 right you are ken. 00:22:55 and honestly, I wouldn't even care if they made smtplib a separate package 00:23:03 but expecting xmpp to be in standard lib is madness 00:23:49 I can understand that 00:24:39 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 00:24:42 anyway 00:24:51 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 00:24:52 * python packages work independently, so you can't fuck up your environment by installing a package 00:24:59 * if you still don't want the clutter, use a virtualenv 00:26:52 hey um, twitchyliquid64 00:26:54 Yes, there were a couple options I was coming up with to think outside the box 00:26:56 you want the source of OneCalais? 00:26:59 :P 00:27:01 http://par-anoia.net/releases2013.html#bofa 00:27:12 *** ebola has quit (User quit: Leaving) 00:27:12 "Our OneCalais solutions use Natural Language Processing (NLP), text analytics and data mining technologies to derive meaning from unstructured information, including news articles, blog posts, research reports and more." 00:27:25 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:29:52 sluuuurrrrrp the coad 00:30:35 *** mama (chatzilla@cryto-118E2B71.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 00:31:15 *** FungiFox has quit (User quit: Leaving) 00:37:58 aight folks I'm off 00:38:08 *** zxcvbnm has quit (User quit: leaving) 00:41:11 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 00:41:22 *** joepie91_ has quit (Ping timeout) 00:41:43 *** botpie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 00:42:23 *** joepie91_ (joepie91@cryto-A6766B2C.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 00:42:58 *** joepie91 (joepie91@joepie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:43:32 i'm off too 00:43:40 byebye guys! 00:43:44 *** monod__ has quit (User quit: 15,5- www.di-gi.cjb.net bEsT 3,3||0,0||4,4||15,5 ScRipT) 00:46:30 * DrWhat is away "sleep" Log: on Pager: off 00:46:30 *** DrWhat is now known as DrAway 01:06:49 *** AnonyOps (anony_ops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 01:10:23 *** nypox has quit (Client exited) 01:12:00 hai AnonyOps 01:12:05 hai joepie 01:12:11 I'm about to brb 01:12:19 you here in, say, 45 mins? 01:12:38 uh, probably. Try pinging me. No promises. I will be scapin' on 07. 01:12:54 it's about redonate 01:12:55 :P 01:13:01 I figured :p 01:13:08 I'll try to be here :) 01:13:15 okay :D 01:23:22 why are all the channels empty? 01:23:26 on cryto 01:27:00 * wh1t3r4bb1t hasn't gotten shit done today 01:29:00 - www.di-gi.cjb.net bEsT |||||| ScRipT] 01:29:04 The heck 01:46:19 why are all the channels empty? 01:46:19 on cryto 01:46:26 because there aren't many users...? 01:46:30 there are a few channels with a few users 01:46:47 also, hai AnonyOps 01:46:57 hai 01:49:09 anyone know of a good place to buy movies? 01:49:13 for digital download 01:50:46 AnonyOps 01:50:52 Don't bother 01:50:56 inb4 tpb 01:51:05 Amazon appears to have a way to do it 01:54:32 AnonyOps: don't bother 01:54:36 it's all DRMed to shit and beyond 01:54:41 anyway, pm :P 01:56:18 Actually what is a place 01:56:26 Where you can get non-DRM? 02:00:48 Divinite: the pirate bay 02:01:03 also vodo, and that independent-movie-selling site the name of which I forgot 02:01:04 HAHAH 02:01:07 So true 02:01:12 (this was a serious answer) 02:01:24 anyway, indie game the movie used that movie-selling site 02:21:20 As for a next step, if it should be necessary, there is no shortage of more Pirate Parties that want to provide bandwidth to The Pirate Bay if it should become necessary. The copyright industry has threatened and silenced three out of 63 (NL, UK, SE). So good luck with that. 02:21:23 lol 02:21:33 *** cr[a]tes has quit (Ping timeout) 02:49:20 Fedora 16 changed to end-of-life (EOL) status on 2013-02-12. Fedora 16 is 02:49:20 no longer maintained, which means that it will not receive any further 02:49:20 security or bug fix updates. As a result we are closing this bug. 02:49:21 *** joepie91 (joepie91@joepie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:49:24 oh yes of course 02:49:30 so hey 02:49:33 let's close that segfault bug! 03:02:10 Can't the bug be edited to have newer version as a target? 03:02:52 (because if not, seem to be quite a bad practice, indeed) 03:07:10 MK_FG: nope, I would have to reopen 03:07:14 and this is an auto-filed bug 03:07:16 via abrt 03:07:23 reopen as in create new 03:07:29 *** Private_Ryan (Private_Ry@PrivateRyan-10437.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:08:30 Guess it's not that bad if you didn't create the bug in the first place... not sure how abrt works though, maybe you did? 03:10:01 Reopen for manual bugs seem to be stupid, yeah, as discussion and such stuff gets lost, and it's not like new release has complete rewrite of all software ;) 03:10:15 MK_FG: the idea of abrt or whatever it's called 03:10:18 is that if a segfault is detected 03:10:22 the tool collects information 03:10:31 and using your bugzilla login, makes an automated issue 03:10:38 with all the relevant information attached 03:10:43 and a description you wrote yousrelf 03:10:52 in practice, it comes down to opening a ticket yourself 03:10:59 just without having to touch a browser, and with the tool auto-attaching stuff 03:11:14 so I *did* actually create the bug, just via a different interface 03:21:04 so 03:21:08 google FINALLY fixed their top bar 03:21:11 it's gray now instead of black 03:21:21 quite an improvement.. but it took them 2 years or so, haha 03:30:41 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 03:34:03 *** DrAway has quit (Ping timeout) 03:36:41 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-78DF0B68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 03:46:17 *** FungiFox (FOXI@cryto-FFF6962A.sub-75-194-89.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 04:02:51 had to reinstall the btc mutual vps 04:03:13 it went mad 04:04:00 was acting like it caught a worm 04:04:33 Call geeksquad! they know what to do! 04:05:23 lol 04:06:13 god damn that whole company pisses me off. 04:06:55 they are just as bad as those "free registry scanners" that people download and have to pay to "fix 10,843 problems" 04:09:43 hahaha 04:09:44 yes 04:09:45 *** nypox (null@cryto-58D901ED.privacyfoundation.ch) has joined #crytocc 04:11:03 it must have been ancient aliens 04:16:12 *** Sabit (NOL@Sabit.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:16:32 joepie91 04:16:44 hai Sabit 04:16:54 watching a korean drama 04:16:55 :i 04:22:46 wh1t3r4bb1t 04:25:24 *** FungiFox has quit (User quit: Leaving) 04:25:28 yes 04:26:37 Where is FTP? 04:29:40 wh1t3r4bb1t 04:32:46 LOL much 04:32:54 Looks like he hasn't made it yet 04:34:39 just tested it 04:34:45 Awesome 04:34:47 Working? 04:35:39 *** urika has quit (Ping timeout) 04:35:54 *** urika (urika@7DEAE20A.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:38:18 yes its working 04:38:41 Cool 04:38:48 *** nsh has quit (Ping timeout) 04:40:04 *** AnonyOps has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:00:07 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:00:20 00:42 -!- - Additionally, if you are a concerned parent, consider whether you 05:00:21 00:42 -!- - *really* want to shield off your child from what the real world is like, 05:00:22 00:42 -!- - as it will likely only serve to cause a bigger shock when (s)he steps 05:00:26 00:42 -!- - into reality. Maybe it's a better idea to just let them explore and ask 05:00:29 00:42 -!- - questions, to understand the real world, rather than fearing it. 05:00:31 Ok then 05:02:43 hey, someone actually reads the motd 05:02:46 that's new 05:05:03 *** spoonzy (cocks@cryto-AEDA4185.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #crytocc 05:05:03 *** eggtimer (eggtimer@cryto-454686D9.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 05:05:04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE3FAY-NOiU 05:06:24 *** eggtimer has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 05:14:06 hi spoonzy 05:14:22 hai der 05:14:25 how's it going? 05:14:31 busy busy busy 05:14:32 also 05:14:36 http://redonate.net/launch.html 05:17:25 wow 05:17:31 i love it! 05:17:42 you still looking for people? 05:32:27 yes 05:32:31 @ spoonzy 05:33:02 ok i'll spread the word! 05:33:40 :D 05:41:37 joepie91 05:41:48 Can I place a project? 05:42:02 Divinite: that depends, but I'd prefer if you contact me via e-mail 05:42:06 so I can keep all organization in one place 05:42:07 :P 05:42:10 All cool 05:42:19 I'm terrible at organization 05:42:19 I am working on a secret project 05:42:25 and especially on such a short notice I can't afford to lose oversight 05:42:35 Divinite: eh, if it's secret, that might be a problem 05:42:35 lol 05:42:49 Well right now it's a asecret 05:42:52 *a secret 05:42:58 launch is pretty much tomorrow 05:43:16 if you don't care about the launch and just want to use redonate later on, then that's fine 05:43:18 and you don't need to email 05:43:23 you can just sign up when it has launched 05:43:25 :p 05:43:33 Will the launch be a better time? 05:44:08 well, if you're part of the launch, you're featured on the frontpage and in the announcement 05:44:26 so that may give some extra attention 05:45:22 Ah 05:45:22 Well 05:45:59 What I haven't told you guys is that I'm working on a special network for students 05:46:16 Would that qualify? 05:46:25 depends 05:46:31 I'm waiting until tomorrow 05:46:34 for all submissions 05:46:40 and I'll pick the most interesting ones 05:47:06 Alright 05:47:12 but from the amount of feedback I'm getting, it seems there's not terribly much to pick from 05:47:15 How long for a description? 05:47:23 ~80 words 05:47:28 Easy 05:47:34 it'll also require a (logo) image of exactly 192x192 px 05:47:38 Ah 05:47:42 SVG, XCF, or PNG 05:47:47 in order of most prefered 05:47:47 :P 05:47:50 Will have to get onto one of the other members of the team 05:48:26 *** spoonzy has quit (User quit: .) 05:48:28 be quick though 05:49:03 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 05:50:05 joepie91: Will be 05:52:12 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:08:40 joepie91: Being made now 06:19:14 joepie91: 06:19:16 https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D9575486_64910250_27553 06:19:19 This good? 06:19:21 I just made that 06:19:23 LOL 06:19:50 eh... can you make it look a bit less crappy? ._. 06:19:56 the.. what's it called 06:19:58 jitter? 06:20:01 the white crap on the eges 06:20:03 edges * 06:20:07 you should probably not be using Paint.. 06:21:15 Working on it 06:27:11 Done 06:27:15 Download it again 06:27:19 Same link 06:27:41 Divinite: what's that font 06:27:44 it's incredibly blocky 06:31:04 * Sabit pokes teh joepie91 06:31:48 joepie91: Consolas 06:31:49 hai Sabit 06:31:59 Divinite: is it *intended* to look blocky? 06:32:00 i feel like i have energy 06:32:01 :D 06:32:06 because it looks not quite blocky enough to look geeky 06:32:10 but too blocky to look nice 06:32:18 UGH 06:32:36 i always use visitor for my blocky fonts 06:32:40 and then mess around with it after 06:32:41 ;P 06:33:52 joepie91: Now? 06:33:57 Same link again 06:34:36 Sabit: What do you think? 06:34:42 mmm 06:34:46 one sec lemme dkll 06:34:54 https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D9575486_64910250_27553 06:35:14 far too blocky 06:35:33 you could modernize it a bit 06:35:38 add some gradients 06:35:42 a not very boring background 06:35:46 use a smoky background 06:35:47 idk 06:35:54 just use vector graphics 06:35:57 used to do graphic art but i stopped doing it :P 06:36:03 what he said^ 06:36:08 I am using 06:36:10 PAINT 06:36:31 I am not a graphic designer :( 06:36:37 me niether 06:36:43 I get friends to do that stuff 06:36:51 i cant graphic design anymore 06:36:52 no time :( 06:37:06 k time for hw 06:38:32 Divinite: why don't you use a non-blocky font 06:38:43 and a slightly darker red 06:38:53 Paint 06:38:57 needs less ms paint 06:38:59 Makes all fonts blocky 06:39:01 use more paint.net 06:39:03 Divinite: then use GIMP... 06:39:05 or paint.net even 06:39:08 ^ 06:39:14 photoshop easily 06:39:31 I have Paint.net 06:39:37 Never used it 06:39:40 Like I said 06:39:46 Graphics is not my strong point 06:40:12 then start using it.. 06:40:16 ^ 06:40:24 I would if I had more time 06:40:32 Now I am trying to add more CSS 06:40:35 ............................................... 06:40:35 To my website 06:40:37 Divinite 06:40:44 make it pretty enough for that 06:40:46 you're already making a logo 06:40:50 you might as well use paint.net 06:40:51 Right now it is text 06:40:53 and make it not look like crap 06:40:57 Eh 06:40:58 it doesn't cost you extra time 06:40:59 It's tiny 06:41:19 * joepie91 sighs 06:41:28 Fine 06:41:30 Later 06:41:30 Divinite: just email me a non-blocky logo and a description blurb 06:41:33 After web page 06:41:39 Do I need a website? 06:41:41 Or no 06:42:37 wat? 06:43:11 Do I need 06:43:13 A website 06:43:15 to submit 06:43:16 to 06:43:17 you 06:43:56 asdfghjkl 06:43:58 Divinite 06:44:03 http://redonate.net/launch.html 06:44:04 go read the page 06:44:05 seriously 06:44:44 I don't have the time or patience to explain/argue over everything five times 06:46:31 Yeah 06:46:36 I know 06:46:43 That was why I am spicing up my page 06:58:44 https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D9575486_64910250_27694 06:58:44 Ok 06:58:45 Took advice 06:58:45 How about now? 06:59:21 joepie91 07:00:20 Divinite: that's pretty nice 07:01:35 looks better 07:01:37 way better 07:03:58 anyway, Divinite, mind emailing it to me with a ~80 word description blurb 07:04:27 (and the image) 07:07:29 Sure 07:07:30 Sorry about billion questions 07:30:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKIu9yen5nc 07:30:14 required watching 07:37:15 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 07:39:50 *** foolex (foolex@78EA513B.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:09:40 *** xnite has quit (Ping timeout) 08:17:44 joepie91, i'm watching so many youtube vids on physics and math xD 08:20:14 *** AnonForecast has quit (Connection reset by peer) 08:28:55 :D 08:30:43 totally set me behind in hw 08:30:45 dont care 08:30:46 :P 08:30:52 :P 08:35:24 just gonna do it tomorrow morning 08:56:42 alright joepie91, i shall head to bed 08:56:59 nn 08:57:01 *** Sabit has quit (User quit: cows go moooooooooo) 09:19:58 *** nypox has quit (Ping timeout) 09:29:19 bit experimental, but http://awesomescreenshot.com/058zd1b6e 09:41:38 http://awesomescreenshot.com/0d4zd3t1e 10:02:23 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 10:32:42 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-78DF0B68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 10:39:47 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 10:48:07 joepie91: Nice 10:48:47 joepie91: How many hours before launch? 10:49:16 http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/120850-GameMaker-Studio-DRM-Bug-Trashes-Legit-Resources 10:49:18 * joepie91 facepalms 10:49:25 Divinite: somewhere tomorrow 10:51:50 I'm in Australia remember> 10:51:59 I don't know when your 'tomorrow' is 10:55:28 Hehe, it'd be quite cruel if virii would mess with drm's like that (if only because botmasters' interests might be aligned towards "freedom to alter binares" with pirates) 10:56:31 Divinite: fair enough 10:56:35