00:25:17 *** sylfox531 has parted #crytocc (None) 00:27:17 *** sylfox531 (cantrepeat@CD4FE13E.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:53:49 *** AnonyOps has quit (Connection reset by peer) 02:26:45 *** Ishaq has quit (Input/output error) 02:41:45 *** Sabit (NOL@Sabit.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:41:55 * Sabit pokes the joepie91 03:20:56 *** sylfox531 is now known as roadtofame9 04:10:23 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 05:02:16 I... I can't even speak right now. This is so cool. 05:02:38 * lady-3jane flaps wings and makes a whooshing noise 05:03:12 *** znc (znc@cryto-4C6807BE.cinfuserver.com) has joined #crytocc 05:03:21 sozzles VPS rebooted :/ 05:03:35 *** znc is now known as twitchyliquid64 05:07:17 I'm liking this lack of solid hold on reality 05:07:23 this is really nice 06:09:32 *** roadtofame9 has parted #crytocc (None) 06:11:35 *** roadtofame9 (cantrepeat@CD4FE13E.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:53:31 *** lady-3jane has quit (User quit: Leaving) 06:57:07 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 07:07:57 *** RuDy (RuDy@75D2BE42.54F88E0E.32FDE28D.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:10:21 *** elnn has quit (User quit: leaving) 07:13:25 *** RuDy has quit (Client exited) 07:50:21 *** crytocc395 (crytocc395@cryto-63C236CC.riseup.net) has joined #crytocc 07:54:37 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Client exited) 08:21:05 *** monod (none@cryto-8881A27B.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #crytocc 08:21:13 hello peep 08:21:33 unfortunately, inflation is not a good thing after all 08:22:24 because, the point of view of aaron's article could have been influenced by big economists 08:23:53 so, big economists, those who know their stuff very well, could be able to convince us to believe - I think - most of what they say, like 99% I think, especially because it's economics and it's a very hard field for those who haven't studied it 08:24:53 also, the situation in which nobody will have the money to pay others to work is nearly impossible to achieve, someone's got to have the money, believe me 08:25:42 and who if not rich people, such: rich citizens, people who have "important" jobs, e.g. CEOs.., then there are politician and bankers, the higher casta 08:26:38 this said, I did not study economics too, so... I'm not the bible.. 08:26:52 but I've talked with elder people about aaron's article 08:27:08 and their responses could not been not taken in 08:35:35 *** RuDy (RuDy@cryto-E51ABD6D.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) has joined #crytocc 08:36:12 *** RuDy has quit (User quit: Leaving) 08:37:49 *** RuDy (RuDy@cryto-E51ABD6D.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) has joined #crytocc 08:38:09 *** RuDy has quit (Client exited) 08:39:10 *** RuDy (RuDy@cryto-E51ABD6D.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) has joined #crytocc 08:39:42 *** RuDy has quit (User quit: Leaving) 08:48:36 *** Sabit has quit (Connection reset by peer) 08:57:31 bitcoins are not decentralized 08:57:50 if noone explains to me how can I get bitcoins, not from people 08:58:16 because if it was just a matter of exchange between people, the bitcoins would never raise in quantity 08:58:25 there would always be the same quantity over time 08:58:32 yet, this is not true. 08:58:42 and there are "sellers" of bitcoins 08:58:54 which are just CENTRALIZED power! 08:59:04 am I wonrg? 08:59:07 wrong* 08:59:08 Read up on how the whole system works 08:59:18 It's a simple log of transactions 08:59:24 hmm 08:59:36 no! 08:59:50 how do I start getting bitcoins? 08:59:56 Each block there is signed with a specific hash (having zero-bytes at the start) 09:00:02 I have to give my money to Mt.Gox and the like! 09:00:34 may be me not understanding yet though 09:00:35 And this block, by protocol convention, includes "reward" - keys which should have new bitcoins 09:01:21 So, miners get these for calculating hashes of blocks, that's why amount of bitcoins rises over time 09:01:34 It's not "distributed" from some central issuer 09:02:00 If you have some ultra-powerful hardware, you can just mine these yourself and present valid hashes before others can claim them 09:02:26 1) "Each block there" - you mean inside every transation? 09:02:27 But that said, of course, a lot of bitcoins are mined already 09:02:49 So you can also buy these from other miners or whoever they transferred these to 09:02:55 (like Mt.Gox) 09:03:11 No, transactions are aggregated into blocks 09:03:40 I don't recall how many, but I think these blocks contain few minutes of transactions in general 09:03:55 (and it's not some static number, iirc) 09:04:33 ok, so a certain amount of transactions are (iirc = If I Recall Correctly?) grouped inside blocks 09:04:44 Yep 09:05:03 why are blocks signed? 09:05:03 And the new block is added to block chain, containing hash of the parent block in it 09:05:10 and what "signed" means/is? 09:05:14 crypto? 09:05:25 oh ok, the block chain 09:05:31 I read it on the newbie's guide 09:05:43 the 5 GB blockchain :D 09:05:44 "signed" is probably a bad word here, as it usually implies asymmetric crypto 09:06:40 so, whenever there are blocks of transactions, there will come reward, which bring more bitcoins in 09:06:50 But such "signature" is a sha256 hash of the block data (to-from of all the transactions, parent hash, timestamp, random nonce) with some zeros at the beginning 09:07:30 Yes, reward is a protocol convention 09:07:49 It holds as long as most miners recognize and accept it 09:08:38 and this reward I suspect it goes into wallets of the fauthors of the transactions? 09:08:48 If some dishonest miner adds insane reward or weird bugs to the hashed block, it's assumed that most of the network will just reject it as bogus 09:09:19 And as soon as some honest one calculates correct block, they will accept it and start further calculations from it's hash 09:09:45 Well, it's just a key, whoever miner puts there ;) 09:09:54 Probably "himself" 09:10:05 Though "himself" here usually means "mining pool" 09:10:10 I'm not understanding the practical thing.. 09:10:28 *** RuDy (RuDy@cryto-E51ABD6D.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) has joined #crytocc 09:10:41 There 09:10:42 it all begins when bitcoins are exchanged between wallets, right? so that transactions and blocks can be formed 09:10:59 but I didn't understand where the hash is 09:11:10 or where to get it, or from what calculate it 09:11:16 There's gotta be tons of docs and probably videos on the internet, explaining how it works much better (and more accurate) than me ;) 09:11:27 alright 09:11:32 *** RuDy has quit (User quit: Leaving) 09:12:18 I don't really remember which ones I've used to get my info by now, but I didn't read the actual paper 09:13:06 so, the point was: "it's impossible that the only way to get bitcoins is to buy them from those who already have them, because otherwise there wouldn't be enough bitcoins for everyone". The answer is that bitcoins can be "generated" - or better, *mined* - with that procedure I'm going to read more about 09:13:11 So I might as well be wrong, having such second-hand (though probably quite cross-referenced) data ;) 09:13:52 since this interest me, I'll try to get more infromations, hoping being able to report 09:13:55 *** RuDy (RuDy@cryto-E51ABD6D.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) has joined #crytocc 09:13:56 Yes, but by convention, they also are generated up to a certain limit 09:14:08 per day you mean, right? 09:14:08 *** RuDy has quit (Client exited) 09:14:19 Size of "reward" is written into the protocol and clients 09:14:20 god thanks you, RuDy 09:14:32 And it halves after every N blocks, I think 09:14:39 oh 09:14:50 Getting asymptotically closer to 21mil bitcoins 09:15:08 (not single reward, but the whole amount in circulation) 09:15:15 that's why it was written in the article! 09:15:25 (the one joepie posted) 09:15:37 But after reward goes to almost-zero, it's not the end of mining 09:15:59 Because there can also be fees for miners 09:16:10 well, also because you can still exchange bitcoins for dollars? 09:16:20 so bitcoins number would eventually decrease a lil bit= 09:16:21 ? 09:16:44 Like, people can embed some small "miner fee" in transactions, so miners will jump to hash them, to claim that reward 09:17:08 O_O 09:17:10 And as it's you who sets this fee, not some guy in a suit on top, it's a free market for mining-force 09:17:53 Number of coins in circulation will definitely decrease as people might loose thier keys 09:17:58 miner "fee" stands for? a reward or a tax for who calculate that hash? 09:18:07 hdd fail, ssd fail even moreso ;) 09:18:18 oh ok, that's one way xD 09:18:24 (nice) 09:18:39 Bounty you set for miner who validates your transaction, basically 09:18:51 Set it higher and it'll be faster ;) 09:19:16 validate?? and also: the bounty is not taken from someone's wallet, yet generated? 09:19:26 so that the amoaunt will asymptotically reach 21 mil? 09:19:38 so, miners validate transactions? 09:19:40 No, it's given by you, from your wallet 09:19:51 ok, seems more than legit 09:19:58 you want it faster, you have to pay 09:20:06 You say "hey, I want to transfer amount N from X to Y and give N*0.05 to Z" 09:20:09 *** RuDy (RuDy@CF898944.C48BB1B6.C789C8B2.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:20:24 "please someone hash it into blockchain for N*0.05!" ;) 09:20:36 wow 09:20:39 And anyone willing can do it 09:20:56 so, altering the main log may result in.... altering everyone's wallet?!? :D 09:21:20 I dunno if amount will really rise up till 21mil or maybe if at, say, 20mil, it'll start falling due to people loosing keys 09:21:35 that's just a case 09:21:43 we can't say if it will happen 09:21:50 it could also happen at 19mil as well 09:21:53 so.. 09:22:12 or am I misunderstanding what "keys" are here? 09:22:27 (I meant passwords for accessing owned wallets, is it right?) 09:22:34 No, iirc it's some EC keys 09:22:49 EC = ? 09:23:03 Not "password", but rather public asymmetric crypto keys 09:23:11 EC = Eliptic-Curve Crypto 09:23:17 oh damn 09:23:21 the one after RSA 09:23:25 iirc 09:23:26 :D 09:23:36 so, damn! 09:23:43 Yeah, it's same thing from user's point of view 09:23:48 ok 09:23:54 (works same as RSA, basically) 09:24:14 (you seem to enjoy cryptography :)) 09:24:41 Huh? I don't even remember which algo is used in BTC! 09:24:56 (I *think* it's *some kind of* EC) 09:25:07 So don't enjoy enough, apparently! 09:25:42 I mean, you seem to have had something to do with cryptography, I don't know what... you could have studied it, for example 09:26:30 "altering the main log may result in.... altering everyone's wallet" <-- true, but 1) no one should accept blocks which are based on some old block-hash 09:26:46 2) no one should accept blocks with invalid EC signatures on transactions 09:27:04 (i.e. you're trying to use someone else's keys) 09:27:23 Hence not easy to forge the thing 09:27:34 oh my... but you said "no one *shouls*", do you mean that someone still *could*? 09:27:43 should* 09:27:49 Yes, it's all open protocol 09:28:08 *** roadtofame9 has parted #crytocc (None) 09:28:09 If 51% of people will start accept bogus invalid blocks, whole thing will collapse 09:28:18 Or rather not collapse... 09:28:21 ...but "fork" 09:28:27 lol 09:28:34 go put in on github, folks xDD 09:28:38 kidding 09:28:39 anyway, wow 09:28:49 There will be half of the network that will accept "valid" block, and half with "invalid" one 09:28:53 and also, oh my god! 09:29:15 yes, the invalid one could be mining more bitcoins thanks to cheating and then they could try reattach? 09:29:16 So these two parts will have permanently different transaction histories 09:29:22 oh okay 09:29:24 *** roadtofame9 (cantrepeat@CD4FE13E.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:29:27 already asnwered :) 09:29:29 answered* 09:29:32 right? 09:30:01 No, they'll never reattach, as "valid" part of the network should never accept their "invalid" blockchain 09:30:13 ooooh 09:30:14 that's very nice! 09:30:22 it's self protection activated! 09:30:24 almost 09:30:57 "almost", because people "may have a price" 09:31:15 and when not just the 51% will fork with invalid blocks, but, e.g., the 70% 09:31:21 (utopian percentage) 09:31:46 they could convince others to accept the "corrupted"/forked blockchain, for a reward 09:32:16 Yeah, it's kinda democracy there ;) 09:32:20 crazy scenario xD 09:32:30 oh, in a sense... 09:32:31 it is! 09:32:42 Like, if everyone will vote to "change protocol to be X", sure, it'll be X for this "everyone" ;) 09:33:04 of course 09:33:14 It might happen if there'll be agreement on some critical change, I think 09:33:26 yes, for exmaple 09:33:31 example* 09:33:49 Like, if sha256 will be almost-broken, I guess some new protocol will emerge, starting from some point in old blockchain, but using a new hash algo from there on 09:34:16 Or rather not "will emerge", but "may emerge" 09:34:32 And everyone may agree to accept it 09:34:46 Dunno how it'll work out, we'll see 09:34:51 (probably) 09:34:54 everyone here are the programmers :) 09:35:05 yeah, same here: dunno, we'll see 09:35:16 oops, I meant 09:35:36 "And everyone may agree to accept it" <--- here, "everyone" are mostly programmers 09:35:51 no, I'm probably wrong 09:36:00 And users who choose to update their clients 09:36:15 (to new versions that do something differently) 09:36:20 so yes, I'm right! :D 09:36:30 another fork-opportunity there 09:36:44 quite one-way though 09:37:05 who would ever like to have old DES for their safety instead of SHA1? xD 09:37:32 These are quite different things, btw 09:37:44 DES is symmetric cipher and sha1 is hash function 09:38:03 But des is used in crypt(3) with iirc salt as a key 09:38:06 yeah I know, I'm poor at examples in cryptography filed 09:38:08 field* 09:38:19 So sometimes used as a kinda-hash, I guess 09:38:28 boh 09:38:37 (bcrypt does the same with blowfish cipher, I think) 09:38:52 *** RuDy has quit (User quit: Leaving) 09:39:01 Anyway, I'm off to take a nap 09:39:06 alright 09:39:07 *** RuDy (RuDy@cryto-67AF6B55.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 09:39:09 good nap 09:47:39 *** dave (dave@EC2BE7E9.4B409149.A1650809.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:48:29 "The immediate impetus for the current spike in bitcoin prices, of course, is the events in Cyprus." 09:56:42 oh, now I see that the transaction reward could be viewed as the "price" of generating that transaction, that, unlikely the standardised actual bank system, has nothing to do with geographical positions or other "plans" 09:57:01 they're just a contract between miners and normal users 09:57:33 god, cloud networks may have the biggest role and advantage in being miners 09:57:38 or not?.. 10:02:49 *** RuDy has quit (Client exited) 10:30:16 holy crap, i've just discovered tmux 10:35:32 termianl multiplexer??? 10:35:35 terminal 10:35:35 *+ 10:38:23 Yeah 10:38:33 :D 10:40:20 :D 10:40:25 the most famous one is Screen 10:40:32 pure awesomeness 10:41:27 ah yes 10:41:39 before i get too heavily involved with tmux 10:42:06 they're more than quite useful for sysadmins who do many terminal-based things 10:42:07 is there a way to get vim keybindings for screen? 10:42:18 hmmm 10:42:55 first thing that come to my mind is that I really don't know, but since its source is available, someone with the right competence may be able to do/add that 10:44:03 dave: You may disagree with some of the default bindings (I know I do). The bind command allows you to redefine them to suit your preferences." http://web.mit.edu/gnu/doc/html/screen_13.html 10:44:06 there we go! 10:44:29 Brill 10:44:32 None of this emacs ;o 10:44:46 what do you mean? 10:45:57 Currently enduring emacs-style keybindings in tmux :P 10:46:59 oh now I see 10:52:51 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:54:26 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-E52249CB.adsl.online.nl) has joined #crytocc 11:09:06 *** roadtofame9 has parted #crytocc (None) 11:10:02 I'm starting to think that the real power of capitalism was that there weren't real other alternatives 11:10:29 let's say that from today on, everyone is going to be a "free market himself" 11:10:42 everyone with his own rules, I mean 11:11:04 *** roadtofame9 (cantrepeat@CD4FE13E.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:11:13 there could come out people with ideas on how to get more money over others 11:11:17 ending in capitalism, again 11:11:41 the real reason why capitalism gained his role, is because everyone went for that 11:11:53 there would be a need for a new idea 11:12:14 in order to stop capitalism 11:12:30 just raw thoughts though.. 11:19:24 monod, Renting clouds like ec2 for mining is unprofitable - you pay more than you get in btc, otherwise amazon would've probably used this itself ;) 11:19:41 :D 11:20:12 I was also thinking: facebook's likes, comments, posts.. are commodity as well 11:20:14 am I right? 11:20:58 There are "social media handling" jobs on the market, yeah 11:21:38 oh ok 11:21:46 that's a more accurate name 11:21:48 I think 11:21:52 for what I was thinking 11:22:00 that is: facebook earns from likes and posts 11:22:25 yet not because of it alone, but because "social media handling" jobs exist 11:22:32 if I got you right 11:22:59 also, are they a currency too when people say "please, I'm joining a competition, wins who gets more likes than others"? 11:23:04 lunch timeeeee 11:23:07 *afk* 11:23:17 Dunno, I think "social media handling" is a net loss for it, because not many people are really interested in going to fb for that 11:23:50 If there were only pr people (like that) there, no one would go see facebook's ads 11:25:02 I think "currency" usually refers to something you can easily convert to other resources, which likes don't seem to be 11:40:34 actually, currency has various distinct properties 11:40:43 divisibility, transferability, and something else I forgot 11:40:55 I think there were like 3 properties in total 11:44:12 In your opinion, do those properties make it better than bartering? 11:45:38 dave: yes - in fact, that's what currency was effectively invented for 11:45:45 to provide those properties :) 11:59:35 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 11:59:58 hai all 12:00:14 joepie91: does your browser game engine do 3d yet? 12:02:29 twitchyliquid64: it does not, but there's three.js for that 12:04:25 *** mama_ (me@cryto-18FB1FE5.bu.edu) has joined #crytocc 12:04:35 * twitchyliquid64 googles 12:05:09 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 12:05:10 *** mama_ is now known as mama 12:14:02 *** mama has quit (Client exited) 12:14:36 *** mama (me@cryto-F20803DA.snydernet.net) has joined #crytocc 12:39:12 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 12:39:57 hello twitchy! 12:57:17 http://www.desura.com/news/full-jedi-academy-and-jedi-outcast-source-code-released 12:57:38 I'll be brief as this is huge news but everyone around the community should know this. Raven has just released the full source code to Jedi Academy and Jedi Outcast including SP, MP, Engine, Tools, everything. 12:57:46 source for two Star Wars games released! 13:03:34 O-o 13:03:39 O_o 13:04:05 Hm, tribute to LucasArts' recent demise ;( 13:11:42 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 13:25:59 *** monod has quit (User quit: 4,15Segreto della felicità: nn affezionarsi mai a niente e a nessuno.) 13:36:41 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 13:46:39 *** Toy (Onyx@cryto-CD7F03F1.rev.sfr.net) has joined #crytocc 13:51:30 *** Toy has quit (User quit: ) 13:52:10 *** Toy (Onyx@cryto-CD7F03F1.rev.sfr.net) has joined #crytocc 14:04:05 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 14:15:45 *** crytocc395 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 14:47:58 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 15:05:03 *** THX1337b (THX1337b@cryto-B870109.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 15:06:26 *** THX1337b has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 15:07:20 *** zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm@zxcvbnm.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:25:19 *** twitchyliquid64 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:44:28 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:45:26 *** lady-3jane has quit (User quit: Leaving) 15:45:42 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:12:12 *** unknownfoobars (x@cryto-FB2D6857.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #crytocc 16:22:05 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-2F3B216B.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 16:23:13 *** roadtofame9 is now known as roguenaut 16:23:44 *** unknownfoobars has quit (User quit: www.lulzsec.us) 16:40:53 *** dave has parted #crytocc (Leaving) 16:46:20 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 16:46:41 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-2F3B216B.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 16:49:43 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 17:04:01 *** roguenaut has parted #crytocc (None) 17:06:00 *** roguenaut (cantrepeat@CD4FE13E.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:17:09 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-2F3B216B.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 17:18:47 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 17:19:08 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-2F3B216B.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 17:19:33 *** pzuraq_ (pzuraq@cryto-2F3B216B.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 17:19:33 *** pzuraq has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:37:24 *** pzuraq_ has quit (Input/output error) 18:06:49 *** AnonyOps[m] (anony_ops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 18:10:30 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-2F3B216B.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 18:29:48 *** crytoweb837 (crytoweb83@cryto-F130849.a336.priv.bahnhof.se) has joined #crytocc 18:47:08 *** AnonyOps[m] has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:53:36 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 19:13:22 *** zest (zest@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 19:18:54 *** mama (me@cryto-8CA2A7B6.azire.net) has joined #crytocc 20:00:34 *** roguenaut has parted #crytocc (None) 20:02:32 *** roguenaut (cantrepeat@CD4FE13E.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:05:52 *** Toy has quit (User quit: ) 21:23:40 *** crytoweb837 has quit (Ping timeout) 21:52:05 *** roguenaut has parted #crytocc (None) 21:52:08 *** cras_holland (cras_holla@cryto-427DAFA1.dynamic.upc.nl) has joined #crytocc 21:52:38 ready to nuke FB 21:54:07 *** roguenaut (cantrepeat@CD4FE13E.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:00:44 *** cras_holland has quit (User quit: Page closed) 22:01:50 my god 22:01:54 not another of those fucking idiots 22:02:00 READ THE GODDAMN TOPIC ALREADY FOR FUCKS SAKE 22:02:09 it's not that goddamn hard 22:10:21 *** shadowdemonweb (shadowdemo@A44EF6B2.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:10:26 Herro 22:10:50 I can't seem to connect to irc outside of the web client 22:11:08 Unable to connect: Connection timed out. 22:11:36 On all IPs? 22:13:03 ohai 22:13:04 shadowdemonweb: that's odd 22:13:20 have you tried connecting to haless.cryto.net ? 22:16:11 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@shadowdemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:16:22 hello world 22:16:25 I figured it out :D 22:17:20 yeah, haless worked 22:19:00 what is haless ? 22:19:57 One of the IPs of irc.cryto.net? 22:20:25 *** shadowdemonweb has quit (Ping timeout) 22:24:06 one of the leafs * 22:26:26 * zxcvbnm always uses haless 22:26:54 :P 22:26:59 also 22:27:00 major wtf: 22:27:05 just did a postal code check of a dutch ISP 22:27:07 seems like the other leafs works too 22:27:19 for fiber internet on the address I'm going to move to 22:27:32 according to them, "the Reggefiber network is not available on this address yet" 22:27:50 except... there's a fiber connection over the Reggefiber network on that address *right now* 22:27:52 via a different ISP 22:27:59 so clearly the postal code check is lying lol 22:28:16 the current connection is KPN, which is horrible 22:28:22 and I want to switch to XS4ALL... 22:28:28 100mbit fiber + native ipv6 is kind of awesome :3 22:29:17 ipv6 a bit sucks 22:29:43 Is it? 22:29:57 MK_FG: ? 22:30:04 raw and crude ) 22:30:20 Just wondered why ipv6 sucks in this particular case ;) 22:30:33 oh, I thought you were refering to what I said lol 22:30:56 anyway 22:30:59 according to the site 22:31:00 Nah, I fully agree with 100mbit awesomeness ;) 22:31:06 this ftth subscription will be about 55 euro a month 22:31:12 which is a whole lot cheaper than the 70 or 80 it used to be 22:31:24 yeah that part is cool ... )) 22:32:15 Hm, even 55 is 3 times more expensive than what I pay here for 40mbit 22:32:27 But I guess all prices are higher in EU 22:33:57 Do you get DPI and filtering for that 55 EUR as well? ;) 22:34:22 Today our authorities blocked ru.wikipedia.org 22:34:31 Pure awesomeness on their part 22:35:23 where it is ? 22:35:34 Soviet Russia 22:35:44 Where are you from, btw 22:35:48 Do you get DPI and filtering for that 55 EUR as well? ;) 22:35:49 yes 22:35:52 Hm, even 55 is 3 times more expensive than what I pay here for 40mbit 22:35:56 I know, all Russia you mean ? 22:35:57 yes, but this is 100/100 :) 22:36:57 zest, Not all ISPs, I think 22:37:00 *** zxcvbnm has quit (User quit: leaving) 22:37:26 * they do this 22:38:35 Hm, heh, nope, apprently it's in all-isp blacklist, not a fluke - http://rublacklist.net/5097/ 22:39:15 Got there for some drug-related article, apparently blocked by some crazy person our censors employ ;) 22:40:46 lol ))) 22:41:55 but in Netherlands it possible to buy freely where the freedom of thoughts ?)) 22:43:56 Isn't weed also restricted in Netherlands to a specific (presumably gov-licensed) establishments? 22:58:13 hehe 22:58:37 joepie91, you upgrade my floppy disk to a hard drive