00:00:24 *** x_ has quit (User quit: farted in yo face~) 00:02:33 *** x (foobar@C5729E2F.43D2C6FB.5D12EECE.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:22:18 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 00:44:06 *** watup (watup@2C0DE135.DA3E8586.A0534C64.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:03:29 *** dirtyhary has quit (Ping timeout) 01:24:36 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 01:37:52 *** Gatsby_ (Gatsby@207E556E.4D8F9F70.15D792E2.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:40:18 *** Gatsby has quit (Ping timeout) 01:44:36 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-F9B1C1C6.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 01:46:15 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 01:59:01 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-F9B1C1C6.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 03:15:46 *** lady-3jane has quit (User quit: Leaving) 03:54:39 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:03:08 ryan:) you should be less obvious with your prescience on linode's situation :) 04:19:09 *** dirtyhary (dirtyhary@B9F148D.6F361041.5AB15294.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:30:45 mayb 04:46:20 *** Ari has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:46:35 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:25:47 twitchyliquid64, TCPforward - look at socat or haproxy, both do that well 06:55:32 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 07:05:02 *** MRdjst0rm (MRdjst0rm@cryto-4293BCB0.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 07:06:23 *** MRdjst0rm has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 07:08:48 *** devslashrnd (devslashrn@cryto-AC70B974.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #crytocc 07:16:05 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@cryto-99A4FB1F.lv.lv.cox.net) has joined #crytocc 07:21:57 *** LastOneStanding has quit (Connection reset by peer) 07:36:47 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 07:51:44 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 07:54:37 *** ElectRo` (electro@A7044D1C.3CD1955A.B2EBD6BC.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:56:29 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 08:02:56 well lets ride the gentle wave down on bitcoin beach 08:04:49 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@D68C9ED.3BC0875E.71C5A468.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:14:00 *** watup has quit (Ping timeout) 08:30:31 *** watup (watup@cryto-DFEC3329.snydernet.net) has joined #crytocc 08:33:03 *** watup has quit (Input/output error) 09:03:29 *** Taz (Onyx@cryto-BBEECF30.rev.sfr.net) has joined #crytocc 09:07:57 *** watup (watup@2C0DE135.DA3E8586.A0534C64.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:15:16 *** crytoweb137 (crytoweb13@cryto-4CDD23A3.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) has joined #crytocc 09:15:41 *** crytoweb137 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 09:25:30 MK_FG: should of told me that 22 hours ago, I just wrote the thing :P 09:28:56 Nah, I don't thnk it should matter - most stuff becomes obsolete as soon as it's written ;) 09:29:09 regardless, I liek my solution 09:29:13 it w orks well 09:29:18 and is dam easy to deply 09:29:29 tcpforward localhost:80 ciphersink.net:80 09:29:35 does what is say s on the box ;) 09:29:42 ***deploy 09:31:03 Should be "socat tcp:localhost:80,fork tcp:ciphersink.net:80" with socat, I think 09:32:26 Wrt Backuptrans - sounds a lot like what rsync does (it always checks hashes of what it just piped through) 09:33:40 Also non-interactive, but can ask (or read from env/file iirc) for password, and go-to thing for any kind of transfers and backups 09:35:33 You can get fairly complete LinSum thing from the tools pentesters use, btw ;) 09:35:57 There are lot of scripts to with very-very similar requirements there 09:36:25 Like, no dependencies, just upload and let it get everything possible about the system given access level 09:36:52 (though usually there's a heavy focus on credentials and detection of various av/security tools) 09:40:25 I'm curious what you meant by "dalvik cpu" in "android-ex" there - dalvik runs JVM bytecode, does it not? So you can think of Java or Scala being it's assembler, no? 09:40:57 Dalvik does NOT run JVM bytecode 09:41:12 thats how google circumvented Oracles copyright on the Java JVM 09:41:24 Java is free, but JVM/their-implementation is not 09:41:39 Huh, interesting 09:41:39 Dalvik is an entirely separate instruction set 09:41:55 *** BLTGeno has quit (Client exited) 09:42:03 I have already written part of twitch 09:42:10 the vcpu, AND an assembler 09:42:15 its pretty cool actually 09:42:31 I could turn it into a PaaS and make money 09:45:43 MK_FG: does rsync require the rsyncd to be running on either machine? or can it run via ssh only? 09:57:19 ssh only, of course 09:57:27 ahh goodies 09:57:34 example usage for transferring a folder/file? 09:57:40 It just runs "rsync --server" on the side ;) 09:57:49 rsync file host:/ 09:58:13 "rsync [OPTION...] SRC... [USER@]HOST:DEST" (manpage) 10:01:28 have you ever used it MK_FG 10:01:29 ? 10:01:36 rsync!? 10:01:45 You didn't ever use rsync!? 10:01:50 no 10:01:51 never 10:01:59 Heh, wow ;) 10:02:09 so its as easy as that? 10:02:32 I use it all the time, it's like "cp" with networking and resume and delta-transfers, filters, ... 10:02:34 rsync backup.zip twitchyliquid64@ciphersink.net:~/backup.zip 10:02:40 is that right? 10:02:42 Yep 10:02:48 can you do folders aswell? 10:03:05 Of course, read the manpage 10:03:29 It can (and usually used to-) compare them by different criterias and update only missing stuff 10:03:47 but i dont wanna read the man page :P 10:04:04 Options like "--link-dest" (hardlinking files from older backups to newer) are usually used for rsync-based backups 10:04:18 h 10:04:45 Just list of options there should help you figure out all the things rsync much better than anyone can explain from memory ;) 10:07:54 Which option should I use to make it skip already-existing files which are identical? 10:07:59 * twitchyliquid64 pokes MK_FG 10:08:50 By default (no extra options) it compares mtime/ctime and size, so should skip perfectly identical files 10:09:06 (unless tampered with w/o modifying that stuff) 10:09:16 (actually, I think it's just mtime, not mtime+ctime) 10:09:26 Anyway, --size-only or -c (--checksum) 10:09:51 With former it'll only check sizes of matching files, latter - checksum both to see if transfer is necessary 10:11:02 Also, even if it "transfers" the matching files, it usually doesn't - it does all transfers with rolling checksums and skips similar blocks within files, so if files identical, it'll just checksum (read) them on both ends 10:11:24 (which is similar to --checksum, but a bit more traffic) 10:12:08 (and it probably should be noted that it *always* does full checksum of files after transfer, if it was needed) 10:13:01 use -c, roger that 11:36:57 *** Beta (Beta@EFC5C0FD.D3E9AE46.6188FA09.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:09:04 *** watup_ (watup@6C3FBDE9.C43BFE9A.D6654D06.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:09:48 *** watup has quit (Ping timeout) 12:52:11 *** watup_ is now known as watup 13:06:34 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 13:48:29 *** Kamonra has quit (Ping timeout) 14:01:25 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:01:35 *** ElectRo` has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 14:01:35 *** dirtyhary has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 14:01:35 *** crates has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 14:01:35 *** HiveResearch has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 14:01:35 *** foolex has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 14:01:35 *** ebola has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 14:01:35 *** jamesbt has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 14:01:59 quick guys, someone's fine with probabilities? I got to find the prob. that a coin is heads after an even number of tosses xD 14:02:14 I'm runnin gout mad xD 14:02:52 I found that the probability is 1 (where probabilities are 0 <= prob. <= 1) 14:03:10 if any wants to help, text me! 14:04:03 "coin is heads after an even number of tosses"? 14:04:27 If it's a "coin" in a traditional sense - 50%, no matter after how many tosses ;) 14:05:20 *** Kamonra (kamonra@cryto-348E1525.hostedby.us) has joined #crytocc 14:38:33 * joepie91 stares angrily at buffalo 14:40:04 *** ElectRo` (electro@A7044D1C.3CD1955A.B2EBD6BC.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:40:04 *** dirtyhary (dirtyhary@B9F148D.6F361041.5AB15294.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:40:04 *** crates (crates@cryto-B98FADA2.boingboing.net) has joined #crytocc 14:40:04 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 14:40:04 *** foolex (foolex@AD356075.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:40:04 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:40:04 *** jamesbt (jamesbt@E62F62BC.DCD17C32.959A841C.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:40:59 monod: it depends on what your question is 14:41:20 if the question is "what is the probability of tossing it X times and always coming up heads" 14:41:31 the answer is 0.5 to the power of X 14:41:46 if the question is "what is the probability of it coming up heads the Xth time" 14:41:54 then MK_FG is correct and the answer is 0.5 14:42:02 because previous tosses do not affect those that come after it 14:42:15 sorry, MK_FG I haven't saw you because you didn't highlighted me :) anyway, that's what I thought! joepie91: ok 14:42:23 joepie91, the last one :thumbup: 14:42:30 so I am wrong xD 14:43:03 (oh, btw, learned LaTeX syntax while doing this homework.. gooosh.. :)) 14:43:36 Better than learning MS Word magical UI 14:44:40 and also it is fun! (tex) 14:44:49 (after you've got some time to play with it) 14:45:07 this is the funniest homework ever 14:45:22 "probability,, 6 exercises, preferably do it on latex" 14:45:39 Hahah 14:46:09 Pretty sure LaTeX people take offense on that spelling or similar mispronounciation ;) 14:46:49 oh, you sure??? 14:46:52 damn it 14:46:57 LaTeX* 14:46:59 U_U 14:51:03 thanks guys 14:53:41 *** idkwhatmynameis (idkwhatmyn@cryto-E871F6D6.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au) has joined #crytocc 14:53:55 hello :D 14:54:51 And your name is Bob 14:55:16 lol 14:55:17 ok its bob 14:55:18 haha 14:55:29 well I have to idle now its sleep time :D yayy 14:55:59 got fucking school tomorrow :/ 14:58:40 *** idkwhatmynameis is now known as bob 14:59:25 lol ^ ^ ^"and your name is bob" 15:02:50 *** Gatsby_ has quit (Ping timeout) 15:04:10 *** Gatsby (Gatsby@207E556E.4D8F9F70.15D792E2.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:08:13 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 15:49:16 *** Beta has quit (Ping timeout) 16:03:49 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 16:16:51 *** Cryto875 (Cryto875@cryto-8E645EB7.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 16:16:59 *** Cryto875 has quit (User quit: Cryto875) 16:26:08 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-F9B1C1C6.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 16:52:39 *** anonnews890 (anonnews89@D4B8B74D.B1CD12E7.3FD288CE.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:05:47 *** zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm@zxcvbnm.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:29:21 *** anonnews890 is now known as ____ 17:49:16 *** ____ has quit (User quit: We are anonymous !) 17:55:59 who are my BTC experts in here 17:56:06 or BTC trading peeps 17:56:14 slush is down expect crash 17:56:41 not necessarily fast one 17:56:47 are there any btc exchanges that don't use sketchy/unconventional payment methods ? 17:56:59 what's conventional? 17:57:02 paypal? 17:57:08 that's the definition of sketchy 17:57:10 at least for the receiver 17:57:22 have you ever deal with mass amounts of potentailly fraudulent paypal transactions? 17:57:28 nope 17:57:33 well it's 17:57:36 very very annoying 17:57:44 I see. 17:57:47 as paypal will gladly reverse the payments 17:57:56 and you can't revers bitcoin payments 17:58:01 so the retailer gets bit 17:58:02 and the same thing applies to credit cards 17:58:03 ahh 17:58:15 brilliant. must be a lot of fraud $$$ in that 17:58:27 too bad for the honest people 17:58:31 that is why nobody ever accepts those 17:58:43 well, ryan, do you recommend an exchange platform for btc 17:58:50 mtgox 17:58:51 or bitstamp 17:58:57 bitstamp is less shit 17:59:01 advantages/disadvantages 17:59:17 mtgox: down all the time 17:59:23 bitstamp: looks prettier 18:00:12 appreciated 18:00:51 now, are you interested in explaining the slush ? 18:01:05 second biggest bitcoin mining pool 18:01:18 ah 18:01:20 they are apparently 18:01:32 experiencing 'hardware issues' on both of their servers 18:02:01 oh yes, this was my other question about btc, i stumbled across the pool concept. is this at all profitable for the end-users or just highway robbery by those running the pool? 18:02:14 profitable for both 18:02:18 well mining isn't 18:02:20 really profitable anymore 18:02:56 the amount of retard is strong with this one: http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/bandwagonhost-1-99month-512mb-openvz-vps-in-phoenix/#comment-111487 18:02:57 so, since the second biggest mining pool isn't generating any new btc, this has an adverse effect on the market ? 18:03:15 hurr durr I'm not gonna bother setting up SSL for client area because it doesn't bring in more sales 18:03:42 since a big part of the bitcoin network is missing 18:03:45 there'll be slight issues 18:03:52 joepie91: ssl is useless 18:04:04 SSL is most definitely not useless 18:04:11 it's just not as useful as some people make it out to be 18:04:35 It's useful in a very few situations 18:04:55 Of course 'ssl is useless' is a massive exaggeration 18:05:14 but if you're getting mitmed, you have way more problems than your host control panel not having ssl support 18:06:03 And it's tls, ssl is indeed useless 18:07:36 ^^ but if you're getting mitmed, you have way more problems 18:07:51 * zxcvbnm concurs 18:08:27 Do you refer to the fact that mitm usually comes from trojan on a local machine? 18:08:46 I refer to the fact that most of your other networking won't be encrypted 18:09:10 Hmm 18:09:30 and to the fact that in that situation there's a million ways for someone to own you 18:09:44 + you probably will just click "yes" if it bitches about wrong ssl cert 18:10:36 "omgomgomg why so slow why so slow? next next next yes finish" 18:11:13 + if you're already logged in they can just steal your cookie 18:11:13 True, but with "determined attacker" threat in mind 18:11:40 bitstamp sends you your password in cleartext in an email when you register.. 18:11:47 just 302 some non https session to your own thing and hijack the cookies 18:11:50 zxcvbnm: well change it 18:11:55 ryan: well.. duh 18:12:07 them sending you the hash of the pass wouldn't be too useful either 18:12:17 ryan: but if they are retrieving a password and sending it to me in cleartext.. wonder what their DB looks like 18:12:41 I wonder if botnets bother to do any kind of mitm these days 18:12:56 it probably looks like insert_to_sql(pass=hash($pass)) && mail(stuff and ur $pass) 18:12:59 MK_FG: formgrabbing, yes 18:13:09 zeus et cetera 18:13:17 even though that's not actually mitm 18:13:52 Passive listening, yeah, that's been around for a while 18:14:15 ryan: my concerns went away when I saw the two-factor authentication option. 18:14:22 that is always re-assuring. 18:15:46 p sure 18:15:52 the email was sent with ssl 18:15:53 anyways 18:16:10 still. I have doubts about companies that send me passwords in cleartext 18:16:17 thats all 18:16:51 And smtps tend not to check tls certs, I think 18:18:04 well if someone was mitming bitstamp -> google 18:18:09 there'd be huge problems 18:18:13 but well 18:18:18 you can say that about mostly anything 18:18:46 especially for unregulated digital currency traders 18:20:33 *** devslashrnd has quit (Ping timeout) 18:21:36 Actually, I think I'll need a vps for smtp with controllable ptr records soon anyway, so planning to ditch gmail from there on 18:22:32 Or rather phase-out gradually, before they'll do something horrible to it 18:23:15 (or reveal themselves as Evil Empire at last) 18:29:30 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 18:31:55 heh 18:32:06 I'm foolish and let gandi do my mail 18:32:13 but I don't care to set up email 18:34:05 huh 18:34:22 funny that wp-supercache generates 500's when installed 18:34:23 assholes 19:06:04 joepie91:) if you ever make an 80x15 for cryto, gimme it :) 19:36:30 ryan: but if they are retrieving a password and sending it to me in cleartext.. wonder what their DB looks like 19:36:34 that has nothing to do with their db 19:36:48 dude chiaroscuro is the scourge of art 19:36:51 storing something in a db as a hash does not magically make the original stop existing 19:36:54 within the same request 19:37:06 they could very well store it in the db and then send the original to you 19:37:09 without ever storing the original 19:37:27 the original is generated on their end w/o input from user 19:37:53 it's a possible indicator of bad practices though, that's the issue 19:38:03 that is my implication, lady-3jane 19:38:07 I know 19:38:33 zxcvbnm, Here's a style to go with that logo - http://divshot.github.io/geo-bootstrap/ 19:38:50 oh man 19:38:54 oh fucking man 19:39:02 I have found my calling in life 19:39:09 right fucking there 19:39:20 agghhh 19:39:38 ommmmg this isn't r 19:39:41 i'm breaking.. 19:39:45 * zxcvbnm collapses. 20:03:39 *** unknownfoobars (x@C35CA8A8.589C91BA.8F6A2B14.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:20:54 *** unknownfoobars is now known as x 20:24:49 *** Taz has quit (User quit: ) 20:24:50 *** x has quit (User quit: www.lulzsec.us) 20:51:05 *** Xeross has quit (User quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 20:51:47 *** Xeross (Xeross@F31F8942.7789B1E3.813EF599.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:25:08 *** lady-3jane has quit (User quit: Leaving) 21:59:50 *** monod has quit (Client exited) 22:14:19 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:21:44 *** AnonForecast_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:22:04 *** AnonForecast_ (AnonForeca@cryto-999D5D74.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #crytocc 22:44:09 *** Kamonra has quit (User quit: irc.divineirc.net) 22:44:20 *** Kamonra (kamonra@cryto-348E1525.hostedby.us) has joined #crytocc 22:50:53 *** mcy (matthewmcc@cryto-1172ED28.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 22:54:12 *** AnonForecast_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:54:24 *** AnonForecast_ (AnonForeca@cryto-999D5D74.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #crytocc 22:54:42 *** bob has quit (Ping timeout) 23:48:18 *** mcy has quit (User quit: mcy)