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I can't really make it small or it looks like shit 04:36:26 like you can tell that it's repeating 04:36:40 mmm 04:37:07 Could change the pattern, but I kind of like that one. 04:44:48 the heaviest page on my entire site is 287.1kb 04:44:53 Kb 04:45:31 hm 04:45:31 It's got 10 images, a good bit of text, and a buffer button 04:45:48 :P 04:46:04 What do you think of it now? http://anonyops.com/cispablackout/ 04:46:09 changed the pattern 04:46:12 to something more simple 04:46:16 > 1kb 04:46:24 < 1kb I mean 04:46:26 lol 04:46:32 fuck man I'mma go lie downoh dude 04:46:37 er 04:46:42 there's an enter key there somewhere 04:46:47 so like 04:46:50 fix your damn fonts too 04:47:00 wtf is wrong with the fonts? 04:47:01 those three font calls can go on one call to google font thing 04:47:13 each of those font calls stops the entire page from loading 04:47:15 orly? 04:47:16 that's what fonts do 04:47:17 yes 04:47:29 so the whole thing waits while it pulls in the first font 04:47:31 then the secon 04:47:34 then the third 04:47:35 mhm 04:47:44 how do you do all at once, I was not aware of that :o 04:47:45 and then you get on to the rest of the page and its images/js whatever 04:48:03 so find all three of the fonts in google's font thing and hit add to collection 04:48:15 once you've got all three in a collection, it'll give you a single-line to load em 04:48:25 well shit 04:48:28 I had no idea lol 04:48:32 yeah 04:48:35 that's what collections are for 04:48:42 thx! 04:48:46 Was wondering about that tb 04:48:48 tbh* 04:48:55 you can even review the collections at the end, and they'll give you a fuzzy measure of how much the fonts will slow down the page load 04:49:14 so like 04:49:15 yeah 04:50:08 fix'd 04:50:50 already better 04:51:28 now the site is ~150 04:51:31 kb 04:51:33 better :D 04:52:17 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 04:53:12 hm... 04:53:27 4k visits today, 22,329 hits 04:53:37 time for another small serving of salmon and a glass of wine 04:53:53 I'm about to pass out myself tbh lol 04:55:34 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 05:09:13 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 05:11:34 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 05:19:12 NP: [The Beatles - Get Back] [Let It Be... 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Blueprint)] [Deadringer] [945kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 05:26:53 *** AnonyOps has quit (Connection reset by peer) 06:22:25 *** x has quit (Ping timeout) 06:48:00 well crap 06:48:04 we had a fire here 06:48:06 cc lady-3jane 07:01:08 joepie91: you got btc? 07:05:02 *** MRdjst0rm (MRdjst0rm@cryto-807F7627.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 07:06:23 *** MRdjst0rm has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 07:13:33 *** x (foobar@BF9A7830.93D77D28.7035584F.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:31:23 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 09:32:07 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:32:11 hey awesomes 09:32:41 do you have some fresh, outstanding news from these latest days? 09:32:52 before I go back offline :D 09:33:15 like.. bitcoinz? 09:33:18 botpie91, 09:38:31 *** monod has quit (User quit: byeybe guyzz!!) 09:42:34 *** devslashrnd (devslashrn@cryto-64294B04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #crytocc 10:23:55 *** devslashrnd has quit (Ping timeout) 10:33:25 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 10:41:35 *** devslashrnd (devslashrn@cryto-64294B04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #crytocc 10:45:45 *** tor (tor@cryto-E269653A.me) has joined #crytocc 10:47:25 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 11:46:07 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 11:47:25 *** foolex (foolex@AD356075.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:52:48 *** crytocc395 (crytocc395@cryto-A351D518.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 12:00:24 *** __Vendetta__ (__Vendetta@C552908B.4B95B279.D2983FB2.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:07:01 *** __Vendetta__ has parted #crytocc () 12:07:54 *** tor has quit (User quit: leaving) 12:25:52 *** crytocc395 has quit (Ping timeout) 12:26:47 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 12:36:34 *** foolex (foolex@AD356075.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:43:57 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 13:01:06 lady-3jane: new blog post - http://ciphersink.net/routine-1 13:01:11 thoughts? 13:02:45 *** foolex (foolex@AD356075.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:32:02 *** devslashrnd has quit (Ping timeout) 13:32:52 twitchyliquid64, my though... fair play. 13:38:48 AnonyOPS, might a modal popup not be simplier or even a just thinking of one or two lines code to add + modal popup. maybe... thoughts? 14:05:02 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-807F7627.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 14:06:24 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 14:22:16 *** devslashrnd (devslashrn@cryto-64294B04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #crytocc 14:51:33 *** AnonyOps (AnonyOps@AnonyOps.php) has joined #crytocc 15:26:10 *** ebola has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:45:15 joepie91:) services problem (electrical) or "someone was a retard" fire? 15:48:22 twitchyliquid64:) That's part of what I touched on for my free-will writing. I'm not done with it yet, but some of your points are in mine :) 15:52:03 twitchyliquid64:) You’re presented choices by your environment and the people in it, and you’re able to choose within that decision set. So, every person has an unbroken circle around them of decisions they can make. If you maintain a single environment, such as where you live, and only the people within that environment (work, school, and such), you have access to only a very small subset of those possible decision branches.[<--If you'r 15:52:03 e in a small town and have met most people, this subset of decisions approaches a finite path list] [awkward-->] If however, you try new things whenever possible and travel and meet new people whenever possible, you have the chance to expand your working set of starting points. It’s all about recognizing opportunity and seizing it. The thing you’re fighting, in this perspective, is living on a rail. It’s fine, and I have no problem if 15:52:06 that’s what you want, but I think there are many people who do not know to choose differently and would do so if they knew to. 15:53:30 lady-3jane: tl;dr ^^ 15:53:47 your loss 15:53:49 :) 15:54:58 I only tl;dr things I make for hackernews 15:55:04 cause those fuckers have no attention span 15:56:07 i confess, im one of those 15:57:34 that's a part of one of my paragraphs ha 15:57:50 there's another 5 or 6 paragraphs 15:57:52 >_> 16:00:28

joepie91:) services problem (electrical) or "someone was a retard" fire? 16:00:31 the latter 16:00:57 fire was contained though 16:01:21 in the end, the total damage was 1 couch 16:01:41 oh damn :( 16:17:48 *** devslashrnd has quit (Ping timeout) 16:17:54 anyhow, lady-3jane, the nastiest bit is the smell upstairs now 16:18:06 which is where the shower is, also 16:18:08 but I can live with it 16:18:17 it'll go away somewhere in the next few days anyway 16:20:32 *** devslashrnd (devslashrn@cryto-64294B04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #crytocc 16:22:23 mmhmm 16:22:37 *** devslashrnd has quit (Input/output error) 16:22:46 hmm 16:22:59 so a young man was arrested when trying to leave the country here 16:23:17 cause he was going to try and join one of the alqaeda affiliate groups in the middle east 16:23:42 His jail sentence for attempting to provide material support to terrorists caps out at 15 years 16:23:51 what was aaronsw's cap? like 35? 16:25:12 can't recall exactly 16:26:01 it was somewhere around 30 16:26:16 but uh 16:26:17 yeah 16:26:22 either way, point made. 16:30:06 *** rn17 (root@F6F3962A.C531594A.D6654D06.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:39:55 *** rn17 has parted #crytocc (None) 16:48:05 reddit's r/funny is considering a blackout in support of #CISPABlackout http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1crosb/lets_talk_about_cispa_and_the_possibility_of_a/ 16:52:29 lady-3jane: a box was found in the Netherlands (looks like this: http://www.ethernet.nl/files/IMG_0567.gif), identical in design to the boxes the cable companies use to distribute signals 16:52:48 except this one wasn't on the schematics of the cable company, and it was filled with spying equipment that an expert says is government-issued stuff 16:52:57 a (pinhole) camera, UMTS modem, and other stuff 16:53:20 strangely, the keys of the cable company maintenance crew could open it, so even that was identical 16:53:35 AIVD (the Dutch NSA/FBI) refuses to either admit or deny that it's theirs 16:53:55 but supposedly, the neighbourhood where it was placed, has an active movement with people trying to recruit youth for the way in Syria 16:54:36 sttr 16:55:39 AnonyOps: http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=pass_sopa 16:57:20 *** Amnesthesia (Amnesthesi@Amnesthesia.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:06:55 joepie91:) huh, interesting 17:07:55 joepie91:) also lulz at that link 17:07:56 fuck yeah 17:34:52 *** MK_FG has quit (Ping timeout) 17:45:25 *** MK_FG (MK_FG@MKFG-91968.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:17:32 joepie91 18:17:34 joepie91 18:26:29 Amnesthesia: yes? 18:26:30 also hai 18:26:40 hai 18:26:57 Is this the most active channel on here, or are there hidden ones I cant see with a /list? :3 18:27:38 well, there's a bunch of impatient webchatters passing through #anonnews all day 18:27:48 but this is the channel wityh the most interesting conversation 18:27:48 afaik 18:35:56 Speaking of which... what do you guys think of js-crypto? 18:36:37 Specifically, if one were to use some authenticated encryption algo, what'd be the go-to thing for that? 18:37:39 One of the goals (beyond security and buglessness) is as-good-as-possible interoperability - preferrably with openssl or something widespread like that 18:38:02 MK_FG: as in, cryptography in javascript in general? 18:38:12 the problem is mostly that it's pretty immature so far 18:38:22 there hasn't been much extensive peer review of the existing implementations yet 18:38:22 soon there will be actual js bindings to hardware/OS random sources and such, but it's still very much a WIP 18:38:30 and the entropy sources are a continuing problem 18:38:33 exactly 18:39:11 If you want a good example of best-possible-right-now go look at the source for cryptocat 18:40:14 fwiw, http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/attachments/20080714/07ea5534/attachment.txt 18:41:45 You know what bothers me 18:41:50 and I just remembered this 18:42:04 verisign sold their entire SSL cert/CA business to symantec. 18:42:17 *** IR602 (IR601@cryto-68B0D61F.terrori.se) has joined #crytocc 18:42:51 *** IR602 has quit (Input/output error) 18:44:09 Right, guess I'll try Curve25519 from cryptocat sources, thanks 18:44:09 agh 18:44:20 * lady-3jane nods 18:45:15 I need to find a site which sells ecc ssl certs someday 18:46:28 Only hmm... good luck on interoperability with THAT, I guess ;) 18:46:42 Oh I don't give a fuck about interoperability 18:46:59 No, I meant as an addon to my previous line 18:47:02 startcom gave me a 4096bit rsa cert 18:47:11 (given the context of requirements above) 18:47:16 yeah 18:47:35 well check it, cryptocat runs FF and chrome 18:47:38 Hopefully the one in pycryptopp is kinda-similar 18:47:38 that's half the market 18:47:59 Nah, I'd like to have it interoperable with something like python 18:47:59 perhaps IE10 or 11 will do similar 18:48:13 I don't understand what you're trying to do then 18:48:16 it's obviously not in a browser 18:48:24 https://github.com/sametmax/0bin/pull/39 18:48:34 There's more context in a damn-long form ;) 18:48:45 oh, so it is CLI 18:48:50 Yep! 18:49:01 (or whatever script) 18:49:01 perhaps I should read it first, but why even use js? 18:49:16 cause python has lots of great crypto stuff 18:49:18 js for cli in that particular case? 18:49:22 yeah 18:49:28 why use js for crypto 18:49:54 Because it has to be encrypted in exactly the same way as in browser before sending to server 18:50:07 So that some browser then can decrypt it 18:50:18 ahhh 18:50:26 And all zerobin-things use horrible abomination that is sjcl.encrypt 18:50:28 yeah good fuckin luck 18:50:45 a braver man than I 18:50:46 ha 18:50:52 Which is simple, but does waaaay to much with a lot of hardcoded parameters and manipulations 18:52:55 I can't wait to have a server with modern hardware 18:52:59 I want hardware ecc 18:53:22 then run the entire crypto system through ecc stuff 18:53:30 mmmmm sexy sexy hardware acceleration 18:53:39 ecc -> ec? 18:53:46 sure? 18:53:51 elliptic curve 18:53:58 I thought you meant ECC RAM at first ;) 18:54:30 nah 18:54:38 :P 18:55:00 I want the new crypto shit (ecc) and I want it hardware accelerated 18:55:14 But it's cheap anyway, why bother? 18:55:23 what's cheap 18:55:35 aes/rsa and so? 18:55:39 I use dm-crypt everywhere and it doesn't seem to load cpu at all, even at peakest hdd loads 18:55:53 yeah but I'm not talking about crypting drives 18:55:56 rsa - not so much, sure, but you don't use it often anyway 18:56:14 hardware accelerated crypto for ssl sessions mang 18:56:18 *** UnBorn (UnBorn@cryto-82F26644.dallas.lonlinet.net) has joined #crytocc 18:56:31 Not-drives are usually evenn less bandwidth! 18:56:34 You don't get 100 MiB/s even from net 18:56:45 my server chokes right now because it has to do crypto in software 18:56:52 there's almost no hardware acceleration 18:57:00 *** UnBorn has quit (User quit: Leaving) 18:57:32 Hmmph 18:57:44 throughput isn't the issue. I have a 4096bit public key, and the server can't deal with that. It caps out at like 35cps because of the ssl overhead. 18:57:54 And with web, some php crap should use 100x more resources than crypto... 18:58:18 My line gets saturated at closer to 200cps 18:58:39 (which I learned when one of my pages hit the front page of hackernews) 18:59:10 Hm, weird 18:59:19 not really 18:59:25 I don't run dynamic content, and I use nginx 18:59:32 every other part of the network stack is the problem 18:59:47 nginx + plain html is not the problem 18:59:47 :P 19:00:22 kernel tunables, cache hits, headers, and ssl are all more important 19:02:10 Hm, yeah, looks like rsa-4096 is damn slow indeed 19:03:01 This laptop does 18.3/s private-key ops on one core with 4096 and 140.3/s for 2048 19:03:34 Didn't really think there'd be 10x difference, but apparently there is 19:03:44 yep 19:04:06 our server only has a 1.8ghz singlecore, one of the old amd's that runs for decades 19:04:21 so it's great, but somewhat limited in that respect 19:05:02 There's probably PCI cards for RSA-crypto on ebay then ;) 19:05:17 yeah probably 19:05:28 but I'd rather just have cpu acceleration bits 19:06:03 any card I got would have to be supported by freebsd as a source I think 19:06:10 https://twitter.com/anonnews_org/status/326047155171246081 19:06:12 tweet contents: AnonNews.org will *not* be participating in the anti-#CISPA blackout on January 22nd. This is why: https://joepie91.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/im-tired-of-this-protest-the-next-lettersoup-bill-shit/ 19:06:36 hehe 19:06:47 I buffered that article you linked for tomorrow 19:06:56 :3 19:07:21 lady-3jane: ? 19:07:21 *** zest (zest@A7044D1C.3CD1955A.B2EBD6BC.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:07:52 joepie91:) http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=pass_sopa 19:07:58 Or you can get a bunch of usb controllers and a bulk of cheap smartcards ;) 19:08:10 haha 19:08:28 I don't care THAT much, I just someday want a nice amd 6core opteron 19:08:34 opensc has an openssl engine for these 19:08:43 or one of the 8core ones that's like 1.5ghz 19:09:03 paralellism? YES 19:09:44 Actually, cheap smartcards probably don't do rsa-4096 at all though ;( 19:09:53 :( 19:10:01 * lady-3jane has no idea what a smartcard is 19:10:19 external crypto accelerator? 19:10:27 That chip thing in your SIM or VISA card 19:10:48 But I referred to USB tokens, which are basically that chip bundled with usb cardreader 19:11:03 oh 19:11:08 (into a form of flash-drive-like dongle) 19:11:11 yeah 19:14:21 lady-3jane: smart card also can be in passport, medical or social cards, etc. 19:14:44 neat 19:14:50 It actually might be damn safe to copy site's private rsa key to 100 of such chips, then delete it from disk and only use these ;) 19:14:51 I don't have any ones new enough for that 20:06:19 *** crytocc-c has quit (Ping timeout) 20:14:02 *** crytocc-c (crytocc-c@cryto-F64EFD.tor.primus.ca) has joined #crytocc 20:14:05 hmm 20:14:18 I'm so sad that convergence makes ssl unusable for me :| 20:16:40 Too slow? 20:20:14 nope 20:20:21 it caches locally 20:20:30 problem: It never gets to the stage of being able to cache the cert 20:20:55 what it FEELS like is that I am unable to touch any of the notaries 20:22:12 it spends all its time "waiting for xxxx.tld" which iirc is when it hits the notaries on first connect 20:23:19 oh WEIRD 20:23:58 it looks like twitter is now hiding the reply/retweet/favorite buttons on feeds 20:24:08 they pop out when I mouse over the tweets 21:42:39 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-F9B1C1C6.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 21:49:07 AWH http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113036 21:49:10 16 core! 21:49:15 :O 21:49:31 I want one of THOSE, damn 21:51:38 * lady-3jane looks for similarly-cored arm 21:54:28 found it! amd is making an arm-based supercompute thing for 2014 21:56:08 ooooh even better 21:56:19 arm + regular x86_64 cpus in same thing 22:01:07 and what ?? 10k$ and 128 cores 22:05:06 * flows 22:06:05 I had read an article homemade supercomputer, but its in russian sry ) 22:06:06 http://habrahabr.ru/post/170349/ 22:16:11 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:16:27 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 22:19:21 * lady-3jane shrugs 22:22:33 *** x (foobar@BF9A7830.93D77D28.7035584F.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:26:45 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 22:29:08 *** x (foobar@C5729E2F.43D2C6FB.5D12EECE.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:45:37 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 22:56:53 k, zippydoc is now a pypi package 22:57:01 and includes zpy2html, a tool that converts zpy files to html 22:57:10 (which was totally not obvious from the name :D!) 22:57:11 cc lady-3jane 22:58:24 :> 23:09:42 *** Cryto566 (Cryto566@cryto-FA8C73A9.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 23:12:48 *** Cryto566 has quit (Ping timeout) 23:14:20 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-F9B1C1C6.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 23:19:58 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 23:21:46 man 23:22:14 entrust has put a full ecc cert chain on their future path with "get in touch" for trying it out 23:22:29 I almost want to hit them up 23:22:47 I'm afraid they're going to try and charge me a shitton though 23:27:33 *** Sabit (NOL@Sabit.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:32:57 ha! opera supports tls1.1 and tls1.2 but has them disabled by default 23:33:19 * lady-3jane turns them on and watches as the glorious tls1.2 data flows in 23:35:41 hmm and of course it thinks my news page is insecure 23:35:46 but won't tell me what is violating https 23:40:43 *** zest has quit (Client exited) 23:57:03 *** ilikeapricot has parted #crytocc (None)