00:00:22 I'd take a nap whether or not they want me to 00:00:55 I'm being paid to be productive, and a small nap if I'm tired is surely more valuable time spent than me working at 1/4 capacity because I'm half asleep 00:02:25 It's why I read those sorts of contracts 00:02:41 u read them to go to sleep? 00:03:00 Nope, I read them to understand the transaction they're proposing with me 00:03:13 and consider hiring a lawyer if the terms aren't acceptable to me 00:03:26 to renegotiate terms 00:04:26 It's not hard, and the value I'll get from a job I'm happy to work at will quickly nullify any cost the lawyer incurred 00:25:54 * DrAway is back [2h 25m 17s] 00:25:54 *** DrAway is now known as DrWhat 00:26:00 I lke this 00:26:08 Knock on this dickhead's door and ask him why he introduced such shitty legislation? Lamar Smith (R-TX) 00:29:41 * DrWhat is away "zZzZ" Log: on Pager: off 00:29:41 *** DrWhat is now known as DrAway 00:47:28 *** speakeasy has quit (Ping timeout) 00:56:45 *** emptyreddata (emptyred@856A53CC.B454AB78.6B89ED8F.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:12:09 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 01:23:41 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 01:49:20 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 01:50:24 *** HiveResearch has quit (Input/output error) 01:51:38 mmm 01:51:42 transplants kinda night 02:11:49 *** kill-9 has quit (Ping timeout) 02:38:19 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-78DF0B68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 02:46:52 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 02:51:03 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 02:55:43 lady-3jane: permission to use your words in amending my blog post about routine? 03:07:39 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 03:08:53 *** HiveResearch has quit (User quit: ) 03:16:44 twitchyliquid64:) probably, what did I say 03:16:45 haha 03:19:53 oh wait do you mean my blog post? 03:24:02 * lady-3jane dances for twitchyliquid64 03:27:34 So since everyone else in my class supports violating states' sovereignty in cases of humanitarian missions, I'm going to argue against it 03:28:14 Oh! 03:28:15 Oh!!!! 03:28:38 I'll use the Realist view of rational self interest in governments and competition between govts 03:28:47 BOOM 03:28:53 * lady-3jane l'ecrit 03:30:39 Due to the wide diversity of languages, cultures, and government types, I don't think there is a rational reason to intervene in the affairs of another sovereign state unless the internal affairs of that sovereign state threatens your own sovereignty. 03:30:53 kapow 03:31:00 * lady-3jane bounces 03:31:10 Or maybe I should approach from structural functionalism? 03:31:18 or perhaps constructivist? 03:31:21 * lady-3jane giggles 03:31:23 I love this shit 03:31:30 aaaaaaaand this is why I'm majoring in it 03:31:47 * lady-3jane bounces like a little kid 03:31:48 *** AnonyOps has quit (Connection reset by peer) 03:32:59 wat 03:33:08 * lady-3jane inserts cultural relativism into Realism 03:35:56 here we go 03:36:01 this is getting meaty 03:42:25 morning childrens 03:45:47 dicks 03:51:52 lady-3jane: no, I mean your response to my blog post 03:51:54 about routine 03:52:07 11:48 < lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) That's part of what I touched on for my free-will writing. I'm not done with it yet, but some of your points are in mine :) 03:52:10 11:52 < lady-3jane> twitchyliquid64:) You're presented choices by your environment and the people in it, and you're able to choose within that decision set. So, every person 03:52:13 has an unbroken circle around them of decisions they can make. If you maintain a single environment, such as where you live, and only the people within that 03:52:16 environment (work, school, and such), you have access to only a very small subset of those possible decision branches.[<--If you'r 03:52:19 11:52 < lady-3jane> e in a small town and have met most people, this subset of decisions approaches a finite path list] [awkward-->] If however, you try new things whenever 03:52:22 possible and travel and meet new people whenever possible, you have the chance to expand your working set of starting points. It's all about recognizing 03:53:58 opportunity and seizing it. The thing you're fighting, in this perspective, is living on a rail. It's fine, and I have no problem if 03:54:01 11:52 < lady-3jane> that's what you want, but I think there are many people who do not know to choose differently and would do so if they knew to. 03:54:54 yeah sure 03:55:02 do you want my actual draft blog post to look over? 03:55:06 perhaps for inspiration or so 03:55:19 (that's a snippet from it) 03:55:32 sure 03:55:55 tbh I think you and I are on the same wavelength, yet slightly different rails 03:56:12 It's not, like, polished yet, but you're free to have a look :) http://w.explodie.org/index.php/free-will-and-decision-matrices/ 03:56:27 that link won't be permanent, only the ones on my main site are 03:56:38 I just like having a web interface where I can write shit quickly 03:56:45 Im also saying there can be potential for breaking out of monotony within ones static lifestlye 03:56:49 *lifestyle 03:56:55 "oh oh oh an idea! 03:56:57 " 03:57:00 if they can break their social boundries 03:57:05 I do too 03:57:07 and talk to people outside of their comfort zone 03:57:09 in a different way 03:57:14 there's a whole paragraph on that 03:57:14 haha 03:57:27 lady-3jane: this post was originally from my personal diary actually 03:57:32 Ive had the diary for 5 years 03:57:35 not as specific as your wording, since I'm working in models and not application yet 03:57:35 its noe 40 pages long 03:57:38 *now 03:57:43 ahh 03:57:47 I've never had one of those 03:58:45 its 70% girls lol 03:58:55 and my adolsencent ramblings lol 03:59:45 Its worth it, cause I can look back at how I felt and what I thought and see how things have changed 04:02:34 mmhmm 04:02:38 I just never did that 04:02:51 I wasn't raised in a place where feelings were something you talked about 04:03:03 and a diary means it isn't contained in my head, and thus offlimits 04:03:33 this diary was encrypted with a one time cipher lol 04:03:39 aint no-one but me gonna read that shit 04:03:40 lol 04:03:46 mmhmm 04:03:49 I didn't have computers 04:04:02 forgive me for asking, but how old are you? 04:04:03 computers for me is a mostly post-2005 thing 04:04:07 (you dont have to respond) 04:04:18 I'm in the 18-24 demographic. Sufficient? 04:04:22 yes 04:04:24 hmmm 04:04:30 I am at the lower end of that 04:04:35 and I always grew up with computers 04:04:42 The first response of USA'ers is to ask "Did you grow up on a farm?" 04:04:55 To which I emphatically respond: "Yes!" 04:05:03 oh ok 04:05:10 tbh I dont like the cuntry as much of the city 04:05:16 moved out of the farm in 2002 04:05:22 the city is bursting with energy and life 04:05:26 got our first pc then too, and internet in 2005 04:05:30 the lights are euphoric 04:05:36 my mom needed a pc to write her papers on 04:05:41 ok 04:06:17 I don't like lights much >_> 04:06:28 and I'm still trying to get over my fear of water 04:06:49 as in, swimming? 04:07:27 I can swim in a pool 04:07:33 but lakes and oceans are no bueno 04:07:47 I stay near the shore 04:07:48 for me 04:07:48 I live by an ocean now, and I've only visited a handful of times in 4 years 04:08:07 It's very pretty but I have no interest in being in cold water that could kill me 04:08:41 ok 04:08:45 hmmm 04:08:55 Im not afraid of swimming in the ocean 04:09:03 but I have a rational fear of swimming in the open ocean 04:09:55 That doesn't bother me much, surprisingly 04:10:12 I would die, but dying doesn't bother me 04:10:22 being close to shore and dying bothers me 04:10:30 because I could have not-died 04:10:37 Dying bothers me, but I am ready to die 04:10:46 because I know it happens and its a factof life 04:12:25 I figure it's cause I don't have a god 04:12:45 eh, religion has nothing to do with it 04:12:53 I'm like whatever, I turn into dirt. Some motherfucker better sprinkle my ass on a plant so it grows. 04:13:22 Well but a lot of people are bothered by death and move to religion to solve it 04:13:27 with some afterlife or rebirth or so 04:13:37 ree Will and Decision Matrices 04:13:37 Posted in Uncategorized 04:13:37 This is a draft. 04:13:38 04:13:38 I.ll get this out of the way: I don.t think we have free will. Not even close. [not clear enough-->] I think we delude ourselves into an illusion of free will (you are free to (do as we tell you) choose within the choices given to you), and we have many institutions built upon that idea, but that doesn.t make it true. If you want to do some research, start with social psychology and behavioral economics. Neither assume rational f 04:13:45 [This will tie in better later but for now it's here.] There.s observed phenomena in psychology where people in societies that are very individualistic discount the environment.s effect in some situation, placing all blame on the individual. A very good example of this (and indeed a specific case study) is the torture that went on in Abu Ghraib prison. Most accounts (and the military.s official pronouncement) conclude that the wh 04:13:51 I look at it like this: Each person is surrounded by a decision matrix. (It works best if you envision it as a circle around them, expanding out infinitely in every direction (in 2-d space)). Whichever situation you.re in you only have access to a few points on that circle(now), and the decisions in the future that could result from them. However, with people you meet and chance encounters[1], you can slowly start adding points o 04:13:58 Fuzzy world of >7 billion people with infinite 2d disks around them. Direct interactions are when your innermost circle interacts with another.s innermost circle. Otherwise it.s a third party or farther interaction. If you are in computer science, mathematics, or related, think of each person as a 2-d graph which is able to link itself to other 2-d graphs (people) within a 3-d field (or graph to keep the metaphor). 04:13:59 7s wait on pastes, badass 04:14:04 I think a better (less imperfect?) model for free will is something like light autonomy. You.re presented choices by your environment and the people in it, and you.re able to choose within that decision set. So, every person has an unbroken circle around them of decisions they can make. If you maintain a single environment, such as where you live, and only the people within that environment (work, school, and such), you have acce 04:14:11 Look for decisions that snowball. .> Pareto principle .> for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. I posit that you have to be a certain level of enlightened to be able to pick up on those probabilistic events. Long term approach: Working to minimize unknown unknowns. 04:14:16 So, what are the changes that one could suggest, as a result of this? Our judicial system (and prison system) assume free will (until declared crazy, I guess). This has resulted in a system of retribution for transgressions, instead of a system of rehabilitating people to be good citizens. You may not want good citizens, but it.s much better than just straight punishment for ascribed wrongdoing. Retribution solves nothing even if 04:14:17 awh now my whole draft is in the log 04:14:21 :( 04:14:23 I don.t know where else to take the endgame of analyzing things through this lens, that.s a time thing. I can.t make all the prescriptions, I.m young yet. 04:14:26 [1] .Chance. here is wildly differing decision matrices intersecting with each other. Things only seem random because they.re not in your decision matrix, and are greater than 1 nearest neighbor from your existence graph. 04:14:30 network-centric definition of concern/influence 04:14:33 FUCK 04:14:35 accident 04:14:38 damn putty 04:14:39 you're shit at this 04:14:40 having a rightclick 04:14:46 Im sorry 04:14:50 that was accidental 04:14:52 :( 04:14:53 insta-deanon lol 04:14:58 putty has rightclick 04:15:01 I know 04:15:02 to paste 04:15:05 and I have dual screens 04:15:07 I don't use putty for that 04:15:10 lol 04:15:12 I use putty for IRC 04:15:17 mostly cause it fucks up paste 04:15:18 lol 04:17:25 haha 04:17:30 I can tell you have a cached version of the page 04:17:38 cause there's another line at the bottom 04:17:46 lulz 04:29:14 oh man, I love being devil's advocate 04:29:22 people are playing politics on my facebook 04:29:58 so I'm playing Realism + non-interventionism + cultural relativity 04:29:59 so much fun 04:45:14 u b trollin 04:50:21 little 05:22:54 twitchyliquid64:) ping me when you're done with your edit, I'll read :) 06:16:31 *** emptyreddata has quit (User quit: Leaving) 06:44:49 *** Xe (Xe@Xe.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:45:02 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 06:46:53 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-78DF0B68.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 06:47:08 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 07:13:27 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 07:56:16 *** Xe has quit (Input/output error) 08:19:17 *** Xe (Xe@Xe.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 08:28:52 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@D68C9ED.3BC0875E.71C5A468.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:31:55 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 08:32:08 please guys 08:32:24 spread this for me if you're not already doing it 08:32:31 https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=9048 <<<< for AMERICANS 08:32:43 https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=9137 <<<< for NON-AMERICANS 08:32:45 thanks 08:32:52 I spread it a lil bit 08:33:00 take care 08:33:06 *** monod has quit (User quit: good bye friends) 08:53:56 what is there 08:53:57 ? 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16:45:43 no 16:45:46 :/ 16:45:53 It never works for me :( 16:46:14 I want to try it on ff ESR to see if that's what it really targets 16:46:16 I noticed that it already has dns-txt verifier written, and crossbear project has a db of sigs available as such 16:46:40 it claims to support my stuffs... but eh 16:46:42 seems not to :/ 16:46:48 There's also a fork with a commit that supposedly fixes it for ff-18 16:46:59 oh, cool, since I'm running 20 and 22 16:47:00 :/ 16:47:08 joeeeeppppppiiiiiiieeeeeeee 16:47:12 tell me cool things 16:47:14 and stuff 16:47:16 but alright 16:47:18 Well, they probably don't break api every second version ;) 16:47:28 lmao maybe 16:47:36 But I decided to finally setup a thing based on it 16:47:38 I think the ESR's are your target for that 16:47:45 oh? 16:47:51 It's a smart fuckin idea 16:47:54 At least just local node with custom ca-db verifier 16:47:57 I really wish the damn thing worked 16:48:14 I had no problems with it last time I tried 16:48:25 but that was when I was running everything through tor 16:48:29 which was brilliant 16:48:30 ("local" as in "localhost", being basically same thing as ff does currently, just more flexible) 16:48:38 * lady-3jane nods 16:48:45 what is ca-db verifier? 16:48:49 Yeah, I also had it installed in hype-times a year or so ago 16:49:00 I feel like I know what that is, but the wording doesn't seem obvious 16:49:03 But then it also broke one day and I never enabled it since 16:49:12 * lady-3jane nods 16:49:25 Just the same db of root certs as per /etc/ca-certificates.conf or from mozilla 16:49:34 ahhhh 16:49:36 E.g. fast and cheap fallback 16:49:36 yeah that one okay 16:50:01 But when that works fine, should be easy to start adding nodes for other verification methods 16:50:13 yeah that was the idea 16:50:19 did you watch his blackhat preso? 16:50:27 Yes 16:50:32 there's one slide in there for some 3 minutes where he talks about that backend stuff 16:50:33 It was awesome 16:50:50 which really truly is where the brilliance is 16:50:57 swappable backends 16:51:05 Yeah, it's twisted/python thing and it already has a few different backends 16:51:16 Was surprised to find dns-txt one there 16:51:32 I'm like eeeehhhh yeah mobile trust that's cool and all but swappable backends is what gets me hot haha 16:51:52 and routing through servers 16:51:59 the fuckin... whatever he called it 16:52:02 Yep, mobile trust to your own authorities! 16:52:03 portaling 16:52:13 * lady-3jane nods 16:52:22 "trust agility" iirc 16:52:27 not that 16:53:06 I'm talking about piping requests through one notary to the others 16:53:18 to anonymize your cert lookups 16:53:36 that was fucking brilliant too 16:53:54 Yeah, don't quite remember what it's called either 16:53:58 Whaaaat!? What is this novel concept? Hardened by default? 16:54:01 :DDD 16:54:18 yeah he had a funny term for it 16:54:37 hnmm 16:54:47 I wonder if I can run aurora and ESR side by side 16:54:57 mayhaps not 16:56:25 With one profile - definitely not 16:57:11 * lady-3jane nods 16:57:22 might be useful to try with a fresh profile 16:57:25 perhaps that's why I've got issues 16:57:35 sync is on afterall 17:00:24 huh. turned my windows pc on, internet goes to shit 17:00:34 I wonder what windows is doing that fucks up the router 17:01:52 The usual - infects it with malware 17:02:03 Isn't that what windows is for, anyway? 17:02:10 lmao 17:02:12 maybe 17:02:15 it doesn't run antivirus 17:02:25 that shit is worse than getting viruses 17:02:32 at least good viruses stay out of my fucking way 17:03:09 even the best antivirus drops the performance by 20% or so 17:03:16 fuckin hate that 17:03:38 ehh who needs that 20% 17:03:47 I fuckin do 17:03:52 have you seen how I browse the web? 17:03:57 lmao 17:04:15 I have to restart aurora every few hours when browsing to clear it out 17:04:25 You should buy 20% more powerful machine! 17:04:28 some weekend I'll actually close all the tabs 17:04:29 lol 17:04:30 fuck that 17:04:34 fuuuuck that 17:04:34 * zxcvbnm <3s MK-FG's idea 17:04:40 fuuuuck youuuuu 17:04:43 it'll only cost you 40% more !! 17:04:49 I want an order of magnitude better computer 17:04:55 I won't buy a new one until I can get it 17:05:09 another two years or so and we'll be there 17:05:27 that'll be on par for various computer speed increase laws 17:05:40 5 years between pc purchases, not too shabby 17:06:01 mostly also by then we'll have real arm chips out 17:06:10 which is what I want 17:06:43 I want some arm thing that's like 1-1.5ghz per core times 6 or 8 cores, and is <20w TDP 17:07:14 2ghz per core if I can get it 17:07:21 but eh, I'll settle for 1.5ish 17:07:48 and mah pc needs at least 16g of ram 17:08:44 oh! Do any of you know what the first version of chrome to ship blink will be? 17:09:25 Why? It'll probably be the same webkit anyway 17:09:32 mostly yeah 17:09:51 I think they're gonna take it and optimize for mobile 17:10:17 lotta conspiracy theories around blink, but that seems the most google-benefitting thing to do 17:10:31 make a righteous rendering engine 17:10:43 mobile first one 17:11:01 wow 17:11:06 freakish patch tuesday 17:11:08 only one patch 17:12:05 AHHHH 17:12:07 dude 17:12:11 blink is gonna be fucking awesome 17:12:14 that's what it's gonna be 17:12:27 "In addition, this gives us an opportunity to do open-ended investigations into other performance improvement strategies. " 17:12:45 just how they've written their own dns recursor that operates in current versions of chrome 17:12:57 fuck yeah 17:13:03 hmm 17:13:10 I should turn their dns thing on and see how it performs 17:13:20 cause I have local dns, which is why I disable it 17:13:29 hmmhmm 17:14:03 nah man, I'm excited 17:14:59 oh fuck yeah 17:15:04 dude this is gonna be sweet 17:15:14 http://www.chromium.org/blink/developer-faq 17:24:19 hmm so blink is just the layout engine right 17:24:58 so if opera adopts that, they'd potentially still have everything else be non-chromium stuff 17:25:22 perhaps they'll work on v8 too? that'd be cool. their js engine was always slower than shit 17:32:29 They announced that they will 17:33:04 I'm also waiting for webkit-opera to ditch that chromium crap ;) 17:47:38 hehe 17:47:58 I think they're taking the content layer 17:48:04 which is blink and v8 and such 17:48:18 but that gives them complete freedom to fuck around with the rest of the browser 17:55:06 yeah this is about to get REALLY cool 17:55:28 so blink may implement the dartvm natively, and now mozilla is making servo which is in their rust language 17:55:45 this is gonna be fucking sweet 17:56:08 why the shit are web browsers at the forefront of parallel/concurrent computing? 17:56:20 wtf guize 17:58:15 lady-3jane: CLOUD 17:58:22 not even 17:58:30 that shit is just mainframes redux 17:58:32 your sarcasm meter is broken ;) 17:58:36 hahaha 17:58:42 always has been 17:59:00 seriously, it's not "TO THE BATCAVE" anymore, it's "TO THE CLOUD" 17:59:43 TO THE MARKETING TERM TOO OVERUSED TO MAKE AN SENSE TO THE COMMON LAYMAN! 17:59:52 s/AN/ANY 18:00:13 MOAR CAPS! 18:00:23 haha that's marketing for you 18:00:41 cloud shit is decently well defined, it's just that marketing fuckers have no idea what internet is 18:01:08 god knows they can't deal with things like compute elasticity or parallelization 18:01:28 or should I say paraLOLization 18:01:34 Apparently firefox doesn't allow you to start several instances from different profiles as well 18:01:42 correct 18:01:52 one of the longest standing "bugs" in ff is crash on sharing a profile 18:01:52 But why!? Whyyyyy!?!?! 18:02:05 Yeah I dunno 18:02:11 firefox fights with itself or some shit 18:02:14 it's fuckin dumb 18:02:28 perhaps it's a little too self-aware 18:02:38 convergence patches don't really work, but heh, install.rdf has maxVersion=9.* ;) 18:02:45 er 18:02:45 chromium memleak buggs me 18:02:55 sometimes everything just freeze. 100% CPU usage on everything 18:03:05 But the bug seems trivial actually - it gets the response from notary than keeps polling the connection 18:03:09 chromium doesn't memleak on me 18:03:13 shitty js does 18:03:28 MK_FG:) what bug? 18:03:33 Probably because now ff requires http response have length there and current notaries don't send one 18:03:38 Easy to fix, I guess 18:03:54 Bug that convergence hangs on querying notaries 18:03:55 oh, is that the problem I'm having? 18:03:59 Probably 18:04:07 because when I install convergence it also doesn't have any of the default settings set 18:04:09 :/ 18:04:22 no notaries show up 18:04:28 and I can't add any 18:04:31 Hm, no with blank profile it had these 18:04:32 etc 18:04:46 maybe I should try a clean profile 18:04:53 I'd try it on my laptop but windows just shit a brick 18:04:57 or my laptop did 18:04:57 not sure 18:05:05 I installed the windows update and it sepuku'd 18:05:15 turned off and now refuses to boot 18:05:15 haha 18:05:19 welcome to windows 18:05:21 Heh, again!? ;) 18:05:26 yeahhhhh 18:05:34 I don't know why I keep windows around 18:05:45 I kept that laptop running windows cause it has my games on it 18:05:48 but I don't play the fuckin things 18:05:50 Iirc MS screamed "hey ppl don't install that updates we released on Tue!!!!" just last week!!! 18:05:59 yeah maybe 18:06:03 I've never had problems like that 18:06:06 except on windows ME 18:06:11 At least some stability, eh? ;) 18:06:16 yeah 18:06:20 windows ME was stable 18:06:22 :D 18:06:33 No, I mean in that each Tue they fuck up just the same ;) 18:06:38 people wonder where I get my windows stability wizardry from... win ME was my first OS 18:06:58 I learned from the best 18:06:59 :D 18:07:09 also debian was seriously my savior 18:26:01 Windows Me? 18:26:08 THE Balmear Peak project? 18:29:29 yap 18:29:38 that was my very first computer 18:42:07 *** zest (zest@cryto-A351D518.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 18:42:32