00:45:51 *** Cryto139 (Cryto139@D9912BB3.6504435D.3EE4A76.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:46:12 *** Cryto139 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 01:26:35 *** speakeasy has quit (Ping timeout) 01:38:10 * DrWhat is away "zZzZ" • Log: on • Pager: off 01:38:10 *** DrWhat is now known as AwayAway 01:39:39 *** AnonForecast (AnonForeca@AnonForecast.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:04:10 *** ilikeapricot has quit (Input/output error) 02:04:36 *** ilikeapricot (watup@ilikeapricot.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:19:08 *** julia (julia@cryto-48DCEF3C.sub-174-254-179.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 03:33:37 *** julia has quit (User quit: Page closed) 04:02:06 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 04:03:18 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 04:07:18 *** foolex (foolex@AD356075.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:15:11 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 05:05:03 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-ED61415A.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 05:06:25 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 05:13:22 *** wh1t3r4b_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:13:44 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:27:07 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 05:56:09 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 06:29:48 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 07:54:50 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 08:45:41 *** speakeasy (speakeasy@speakeasy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:40:27 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 10:34:29 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 10:54:37 http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/05/perspectives_on_encrypted_medi.html 10:54:47 "Most people would agree that individuals and institutions in general should have the right to limit access to proprietary information, or charge for access to content they own." 10:54:49 this article would get blasted on wikipedia for [citation needed] and [weasel words] 10:54:58 also, see http://freeculture.org/blog/2013/04/23/dont-let-the-myths-fool-you-the-w3cs-plan-for-drm-in-html5-is-a-betrayal-to-all-web-users/ 10:57:32 Yeah, same "central power-point went nuts" problem, it seems 10:58:03 They fought flash for years and plan to add +1 black-box-proprietary-plugin interface to play videos, yay! 10:59:40 MK_FG: I find it interesting how that one sentence I quoted, sounds like it was copypasted straight out of a corporate PR machine 10:59:50 makes me wonder who is really coordinating this stuff 11:02:32 I think discussions on w3c ml's about that thing are quite public 11:02:42 So you can get all the names of people who advocate it 11:02:53 that's not really what I mean 11:02:55 (...and go house-to-house with a shotgun) 11:03:13 think "corporate guy standing behind mailinglist contributor, handing over bag of monies" 11:03:36 I'd still blame the contributor alone 11:03:52 if past events in entertainment-industry-world are any indication, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that industry tried to bribe at the very least one active contributor 11:04:41 Sure, but if contributor is that much of a scumbag, it's not much of their fault 11:04:58 He might've as well betrayed everything he stood for for an ice cream 11:05:10 Or just on an impulse, who the hell knows 11:05:14 not sure I'd call that scumbag 11:05:24 people are corruptible pretty much by nature 11:06:21 I consider pushing this proposal a scumbag-move if person is aware of how the web works 11:07:26 Indeed, corruption is probably irrelevant here ;) 11:07:57 It doesn't matter why they do it from that simplistic point of view 11:08:25 ...or who backs the thing with how much cash 11:09:08 But to fight the thing it's definitely not a good model of thinking 11:09:20 s/good/useful/ 11:19:38 Is psyc any good? 11:20:42 The featureset of the thing looks kinda awesome, and apparently it has seen a bit of attention in zeroes, why didn't it kill irc yet? 12:23:20 psyc? 12:26:57 about.psyc.eu 12:30:49 *** mama (me@cryto-1309AB55.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 12:30:52 MK_FG: from reading the introduction, I'd imagine that the reason for it not killing IRC, is that IRC seems far simpler 12:43:21 *** AwayAway has quit (Ping timeout) 12:55:41 But but... compatibility with both irc/xmpp/nntp/email/sip/whatever clients, teh p2p, supernodes, multicast, encryption, efficiency, assymetric subscriptions, ... 12:55:53 Yah, it's damn too complex to even dream of ;) 12:59:26 *** drwhat (VGHJHBN@drwhat-119493.apps.solidcloud.com) has joined #crytocc 12:59:31 *** drwhat is now known as DrWhat 13:05:03 *** fanat1ck (fanat1ck@cryto-ED61415A.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 13:06:25 *** fanat1ck has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 13:12:08 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 13:25:50 14fanat1ck was last seen on #crytocc as "T0R_till", 7hrs 59mins 17secs ago 13:38:52 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 13:40:46 *** mama (me@cryto-CF95923E.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 13:54:00 *** DrWhat_ (VGHJHBN@5DF92837.75C89667.D73742E7.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:54:02 :/ 13:55:06 *** DrWhat has quit (Ping timeout) 14:01:40 *** DrWhat_ has quit (Ping timeout) 14:27:57 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 14:36:14 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 15:39:17 MK_FG:) psyc suffers from lack of marketshare more than complexity 15:39:33 but, such is the same with all of the really top techs 15:40:13 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:40:20 There's an enterprise psyc - https://symlynx.com/ ;P 15:41:12 mmm, maybe it works better? 15:41:15 * lady-3jane said pas 15:41:17 * lady-3jane sais pas 15:43:53 ne sais pas? 15:45:59 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:47:07 how the heck 15:47:11 cryptome.org 15:47:26 ? 15:47:46 is the most up-to-date accessible leak archive in the web, or am I wrong? 15:48:00 disputable whether it's a leak archive 15:49:20 what definition would you give? 15:49:33 or suggest 15:49:34 it's more a... store of controversial and compromising documents 15:49:35 :) 15:51:03 I guest that since it's still up to date and up&running, there's the impression that those informations and docs are not of a high interest 15:51:43 or do they contain very sensitive information that just travel through the internet with this site? 15:51:52 (which seems.. unrealistic) 15:52:53 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 15:56:47 monod: it seems that most documents hosted on cryptome, are documents that *someone* doesn't want online, but that aren't sensitive enough to warrant a coordinated effort to take down the site 15:57:03 also, since they're generally individual documents, it's less likely that an attempt at causing an anti-cryptome mob occurs 15:57:32 it's much harder to convince someone that cryptome is evil, than it is to convince someone that julian assanfge and/or wikileaks are evil 15:57:39 assange * 15:59:35 hey look 15:59:39 the obsama guy got subpoenad 16:01:12 obsama ;) 16:02:07 subpoenad? 16:02:27 as in, Twitter received a subpoena for his account 16:02:33 for a 'death threat investigation' 16:02:35 why am I not surprised 16:02:56 * joepie91 has stopped counting the amount of threats and insults he has received from lzr9 16:05:11 oh, summoning witness. and my f****** firefox 3 crashed aaaalll the way out, eating all the tabs I was reading... :anger: 16:06:16 get a addon which actually saves them? 16:06:44 does it exist? :/ 16:06:54 i have a theory 16:07:00 nobody is alone in a problem 16:07:06 you aint the only one with that problem 16:07:14 conclusion: Someone have solved the problem 16:07:18 They seem to be preserved here on crashes 16:07:25 http://superuser.com/questions/304829/firefox-extension-to-save-tabs 16:07:43 (crashes = segfaults) 16:08:21 I think it's either TabMix Plus or TabGroups Manager that help, if not ff itself 16:09:04 in a way, your theory may have foundation, in the practical world 16:09:25 and, are you sure MK_FG that you are using firefox 3 and not firefox 20010231021? :D 16:09:34 (like, ff19 or ff20) 16:09:50 Oh, true, it's not ff3 of course ;) 16:09:55 ff19 16:10:26 I think ff20 broke something for me, gotta try again now that addons had time to update... 16:11:10 monod, Why do you use ff3? 16:11:19 debian.. :D and D: 16:11:23 XD 16:11:35 oh, I checked out GNU's homepage for the n-th time 16:11:44 I discovered GNU's sponsored linux distros 16:11:56 and why other distros are not GNU's sponsored (yet) 16:11:59 in more detail 16:12:04 it's veeeeeery itneresting 16:12:06 and also 16:12:24 huuuuuge new 16:12:26 https://telex.cc/ 16:12:40 I didn't know about this, did you? :D 16:12:45 I'd think that gnu just doesn't have enough money to sponsor every ragtag distro out there 16:12:57 aaaah, I'd been looking for Telex 16:13:00 but forgot what it was called 16:13:14 here's your savior/angel, joepie91 8) 16:13:17 lol 16:13:18 thanks :P 16:15:11 also 16:15:17 seeing dynebolic reminds me 16:15:18 http://jaromil.dyne.org/ 16:15:29 if he's ever in your area, be sure to try and meet up with him, he's an awesome guy 16:15:30 Infografic looks simple, but leaves a question of who hosts these "friendly telex proxies" 16:16:45 only trusted (alley) ISPs 16:16:58 such ISPs that fight for the same cause 16:17:10 I can't think of ANY atm 16:18:01 I can do 2 things now: study or go out with the sweeeet sunshine that there's out here. 16:18:29 oh well, 3 things, the third: do none of the above and stay still at the pc :D 16:20:10 Sunshine sounds best 16:20:52 And you know you want that more than pc if you bother enough to notice ;) 16:21:59 hahahahaha 16:22:31 the fact is that... metheorological forecasts told today was to rain 16:22:55 I ain't seen any single drop of water. 16:23:06 lulz 16:23:11 Pity, it's even more awesome right after rain 16:24:18 it depends if you are or aren't surrounded by mud :P 16:24:30 I think I'm gonna taste some air then 16:24:49 *** monod has quit (User quit: see you later guys!) 16:54:35 *** Ishaq has quit (Ping timeout) 16:55:29 *** Ishaq (Ishaq@cryto-6C73979.rf.usr.sh) has joined #crytocc 17:18:34 *** ryan (zee@DB89E393.2C0370ED.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:03:52 joepie91: yt? 19:13:19 ryan: hai, yes 19:13:27 i have a question 19:13:33 how the fuck do I quote people on LET 19:13:48 oh 19:13:55 you select text, and click the 'quote' button that pops up 19:14:03 just select all text in a post to quote the entire post 19:14:20 (it bugs sometimes, in which case just refresh the page... most of the time it works very well) 19:14:40 it's a bit of a strange method, but when you get used to it, it's much more pleasant than quote icons :) 19:15:33 o 19:15:45 its probably because of shit osx browser thing 19:18:39 possibly 19:18:40 anyway 19:18:42 ryan, fallback: 19:18:52 just copypaste sentences and make sure there's an > in front of every paragraph 19:18:58 (that's the Markdown quote format) 19:19:52 o 19:27:08 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:27:31 whee, there we go 19:27:32 http://ripplescam.org/ 19:27:46 grub pkbdf2 password 1 monod 0 19:28:00 cc MK_FG, ryan, Ari, Matrix, Ishaq, monod, vld, wh1t3r4bb1t, twitchyliquid64, and other potentially interested parties 19:28:14 monod: heh, what'd it do? :P 19:30:20 i'm trying to setup a password for anyone who would want to change my boot loader init string U_U 19:30:32 because is a *true* security risk 19:30:42 even though, here at home... :D it's not a real risk 19:30:43 joepie91:) did you forget me? 19:30:44 :D 19:31:17 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-6244225.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 19:31:37 huh, idk, somehow I overlooked your presence 19:31:39 hai pzuraq 19:31:41 yay kiki's delivery service and my neighbor totoro 19:31:43 :D 19:31:46 joepie91: meh 19:31:50 there's really nothing new there 19:31:51 you will probably find http://ripplescam.org/ interesting as well 19:31:52 in 1080 >:D 19:31:54 joepie91: whelp, nice to know 19:32:00 ryan: aware, but first good write-up I've seen 19:32:04 It's kinda funny 19:32:09 honestly, I found it smelt fishy from the start 19:32:12 (and said as much...) 19:32:14 currencies like that are hard to make profit on 19:32:16 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 19:32:17 smelt, smelled, ? 19:32:17 any decentralized currency is 19:32:17 joepie91: but it doesn't really deserve a write up 19:32:20 I'm glad everyone else is as apprehensive about ripple as me 19:32:23 what's the proper past tense? 19:32:24 the real money is in selling the equipment to the miners 19:32:27 smelled 19:32:29 same thing happened with the gold rush 19:32:30 k, thanks :P 19:32:39 The miners went broke 19:32:46 smelt is heating metal :) 19:32:46 but the suppliers and store owners got rich 19:32:48 ryan: idk, it's being heralded as "the awesome overlay for bitcoin" 19:32:53 about time that someone debunked a few claims 19:32:58 in a comprehensive manner 19:33:32 well true 19:37:43 I don't get if there's something other than the fact that Ripple was an alternative digital currency, pretending to be like bitcoins (open-source, decentralized, ...) but, at the end, found to just not being like that 19:37:59 I got distracted by a person here 19:40:17 love this! 19:40:20 "The limitless “debt is money” model is inherently flawed because debt is not worth as much as money it represents. For a successful currency system, you need to send solid money – when either that’s USD in a bank insured by the US Govt where the risk is nearly none, or bitcoins proven on the public and decentralized blockchain. Not random debt." 19:41:12 aaaand, btw... 19:41:25 I discovered that our linux distros are not 100% open source! 19:41:41 there are also some binary codes in them! 19:42:32 which are intended to provide peripherals drivers, but.. eh, try and check it! 19:44:31 There needs to be a xmpp client that supports OTR and runs entirely in browser 19:51:47 to me, the problem of "debt is money" is a much smaller problem than "we have >1 set of rules to play by with money" 19:52:33 because if everything's cool for everyone, and debt is money, I can just go play in derivitives or something 19:52:46 but that's not feasible :| 19:53:28 to me coherent, regular, well enforced rules are more important than what the rules actually are 19:54:02 I found it strange that you can trade a car you haven't finished paying the loan on, for another car 19:54:39 but apparently that's possible 19:54:58 and it seems we're getting to the point where if someone says it can be done and others believe them, it can 19:55:20 which leads me to think consistency of the system is more important than other things 19:57:13 we think of money like ACID compliance, but banks run BASE compliant... and perhaps that's the disconnect between our view of money and how the economy appears to work 19:57:35 BASE (Basically Available, Soft state, Eventual consistency), 19:57:44 ACID (Atomicity, Consistency, Isolation, Durability) 20:04:00 *** AnonForecast has quit (Ping timeout) 20:04:40 * lady-3jane puts into wordpress for later development 20:06:30 *** AnonForecast (AnonForeca@AnonForecast.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:46:05 *** monod has quit (User quit: testing grub again) 20:48:06 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:08:22 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 21:12:43 midori 21:12:56 codename for a new microsoft's OS 21:13:03 still "secret" 21:13:12 *** foolex (foolex@AD356075.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:14:37 *** x (foobar@C35CA8A8.589C91BA.8F6A2B14.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:21:42 midori? wasn't that their C# experimental os from 2003? 21:22:13 every piece of hardware was a userspace process iirc 21:22:16 neat idea 21:23:08 singularity, it seems 21:23:09 :D 21:24:24 yeah, that's! 21:24:49 at this time of the day my neurons does not connect well 21:24:50 :S 21:24:58 hehe 21:25:28 there's definitely too much to see 21:25:29 on internet 21:25:48 for example, you can browse cryptome searching for whatever 21:26:04 the only thing - you have to know english 21:26:05 that's all 21:26:21 :> 21:26:28 got to go to bed before I fall to the floor sleeping 21:26:30 damn 21:26:43 hahaha pass out, wake up early 21:26:45 gogogo 21:26:48 *** monod has quit (User quit: see you guys!) 21:27:26 oh shit 21:27:26 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2008/03/singularity-microsofts-research-os-available-for-download/ 21:27:33 hahahahaha fuck yeah 21:49:53 Meeting tomorrow at #ideas for the new chat system project, at 11pm GMT, you will finally know what is it and likely make tests 21:53:38 joepie91:) if my laptop won't even post, it's probably dead right 21:54:11 power button -> power light, numlock and scrolllock lights turn on, and nothing else. screen never lights, no vendor logo. 22:05:03 *** S1renide (S1renide@cryto-ED61415A.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 22:06:24 *** S1renide has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 22:07:46 lag monster eats my face 22:24:49 lady-3jane: uh 22:24:57 very easy way to find out 22:24:59 disconnect your screen 22:25:01 see if it does the same 22:25:12 if it still does the exact same, the cause may just be broken screen 22:25:15 :P 22:25:33 (protip: a lot of laptop-ish hardware will refuse to POST if one or more critical components are disconnected) 22:25:38 (so check your connecitons) 22:26:00 I discovered that our linux distros are not 100% open source! 22:26:00 there are also some binary codes in them! 22:26:02 it depends 22:26:07 there _are_ fully free distros 22:26:11 but they're mostly hell to use 22:26:28 There needs to be a xmpp client that supports OTR and runs entirely in browser 22:26:33 this introduces the cryptocat problem 22:26:48 where you can never be sure that the client code that is served to you is genuine and wasn't modified in the past few seconds 22:27:42 er, how do I disconnect my screen 22:27:55 this is an asus, not a dell, so the cord isn't just under the keyboard flap :| 22:29:33 cryptocat did a very good job of mitigating that problem as best as can currently be done 22:29:41 but I wouldn't call it "sufficiently mitigated" 22:32:56 as much of a punk as nadim can be, I admire his tenacity to see how well it can be done 22:36:59 *** speakeasy has quit (Ping timeout) 22:38:07 "in browser" via extension is actually quite feasible, since there's access to js-ctypes and one can just require/use libpurple and libotr from the system 22:38:29 (or bundle these for all arches/os'es maybe) 22:41:24 then it's... not really a purely browser thing anymore :P 22:42:06 Well, if it quacks like in-browser, then I say it's a duck ;) 22:42:29 you can make that argument when Python runs in your browser :P 22:42:50 And it does! 22:43:07 it... does? 22:43:13 All addons I've looked at used ctypes for something 22:43:29 So that's kinda arbitrary line 22:44:22 I imagine one can use libpython and write 99% of the addon in python 22:44:40 And there's js-python thing somethere iirc 22:44:45 So it does! 22:45:52 http://pyjs.org/ hur hur 22:46:52 joepie91 is currently blowing jizz all over his immediate vicinity 22:47:07 https://apppyjs.appspot.com/ too, wow, I didn't think it was that popular a thing to run python in-browser ;) 22:47:25 if the users don't know any different :D 22:47:53 MK_FG: wasn't pyjs like slow and incomplete? 22:48:02 No idea! 22:48:35 Just ran "js python" query in ddg to see if it's a thing 22:54:26 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:58:23 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:03:14 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 23:10:38 *** anonymous (anonymous@anonymous.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:43:08 mfw I find out that GOG.com sells Creatures 2 23:44:10 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:47:54 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:55:51 .bitcoin 23:55:52 1 BTC = $115.68, 1 BTC = €88.80