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channel behind it for whatever reason 13:06:52 then they end up here 13:06:54 that is intended behaviour 13:07:50 I wanrt a egg butty 13:20:27 *** Cryto534 (Cryto534@46F3C474.BF52C29F.32E1CC8B.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:20:52 *** Cryto534 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 14:19:59 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 14:20:29 openttd! openttd! openttd! openttd! openttd! openttd! 14:52:18 ? 14:52:32 is it for sure now? 14:52:39 we can has .lol domains :D 14:55:51 *** zest (zest@cryto-4E0C48D2.noisetor.net) has joined #crytocc 14:56:38 *** Cryto277 (Cryto277@cryto-9F39157B.dynamic.hinet.net) has joined #crytocc 14:56:48 現在呢 14:59:40 wrong channel 14:59:45 you're probably looking for #zh-tw 15:00:39 joepie91 whats #zh-tw? 15:00:55 *** Cryto277 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 15:01:08 I have absolutely no idea 15:07:33 hmmm 15:09:03 im just saying 15:09:14 Looks dangerours 15:09:21 dangerus* 15:10:00 No worries, you're safe here 15:10:15 ...at least until I get to your decadent country! 15:10:36 Everyone will buuuurn!!! 15:10:43 Bwahahaha! 15:29:46 lol ... 15:35:00 MK_FG and coffee in your house 15:36:22 *** RuDy has quit (User quit: Leaving) 15:39:57 Sounds like a door-to-door shopping scam 15:41:12 *** DrWhat has quit (Ping timeout) 15:54:04 *** zxcvbnm (CoffeeAndM@zxcvbnm.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:54:25 *** BluePass (BluePass@BluePass.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:03:57 morning 16:05:59 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 16:07:01 ohai 16:24:31 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:29:26 *** speakeasy (speakeasy@cryto-5640C021.static.edpnet.net) has joined #crytocc 16:43:12 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:48:24 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:53:11 *** Cryto477 (Cryto477@cryto-AFC2CC41.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 16:53:37 anyone working on the VPS-LIST or related projects? 16:54:17 we have gotten through to an initial selection of the VPS/VDS/VPN/etc service providers trying to establish a standard schema for xml/json product/services definitions 16:54:41 there are only a dozen lists of service providers, all of which do not accurately represent the situations 16:54:57 especially legal jurisdictions, actual service, and all the extra issues 16:55:07 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 16:56:15 wtf 16:56:30 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:57:39 joepie91: back? 16:57:52 anyone working on the VPS-LIST or related projects? [06:54] we have gotten through to an initial selection of the VPS/VDS/VPN/etc service providers trying to establish a standard schema for xml/json product/services definitions [06:54] there are only a dozen lists of service providers, all of which do not accurately represent the situations [06:54] especially legal jurisdictions, actual service 16:58:20 godddamn ISP 16:58:33 ohai Cryto477, I assume you're @FOIA_PW 16:58:33 ? 16:58:36 * Cryto477 thinks thats the point ;) 16:58:53 *** Cryto477 is now known as vps-list 16:58:57 welcome to #crytocc, please be aware that this channel is publicly logged etc etc 16:59:03 and don't forget to read the topic :P 16:59:25 loggy, pointer? 16:59:25 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-05-13#T16-59-25 17:00:01 alright 17:00:03 we have called a few dozen of the host service providers, namely VPS/VPN and most are very interested in a standard schema for xml/json 17:00:15 vps-list, if I understand correctly, you're looking for a standardized way to retrieve information from providers about the services they offer 17:00:41 in our case, we just need to allocate vds for custom images to load, so we may as well do everything at once correctly 17:00:42 yep 17:00:46 right now, there is no such thing provider-side, and the only real sources of such information are vps-list, lowendstock, and serverbear, all of which are manually maintained 17:00:47 have you seen any schemas for that? 17:00:49 and as such prone to errors 17:00:52 I have not (yet) 17:01:02 also exoticvps and a few others 17:01:07 but I've been wishing for something like that to exist for a while 17:01:18 exoticvps doesn't always list things in the same format, however 17:01:35 one particular thing that I've noticed being absent 17:01:39 is whether the host uses maxmind/etc or not 17:01:40 most of the vendors are motivated to participate 17:01:46 read: whether you can sign up with fake details or not 17:02:09 this is kind of important, since most bitcoin-accepting hosts still require valid details on file, contrary to what people expect 17:02:17 and, right 17:02:20 who have you talked to so far? 17:02:21 one large concern is that the virtualizer and physical accounts may be controlled and backdoored by nato/uk/usa shell company 17:02:37 that is always a possibility 17:02:53 there is literally no way to remove that possibility 17:02:54 so the vps vendor is clean, the physical location is clean / known, but the vmware backdoor is full proxy 17:03:09 it MUST however be documented as a legal requirement, so just need to find those references and map them 17:03:20 ? 17:03:42 the service provider for most regions must indicate who the contractor is 17:03:59 as in, keep files on customers? 17:04:14 to my understanding, the legislation on that is quite fuzzy in many jurisdictions 17:04:20 vps6 has good documentation on that problem, they are .ca.us but the boxes are global, their services are all molested by usa/nato 17:04:34 as in, companies have to hand over that data to law enforcement on request, but it's not clear whether the data should be there in the first place 17:04:35 -- obviously not the ones you want to select ;) 17:04:47 most companies play safe and keep data 17:04:58 MK_FG might be able to weigh in on this 17:05:19 yes, the legal policy and jurisdiction is a known issue, but also they use middleman intermediaries, especially for the cloud systems, where the americans actively can reroute and MIM the virtualizer 17:05:34 technically speaking, this is always a possibility 17:05:38 due to how BGP works 17:05:39 all of these issues, though, are simple indexes in a schema to model them correctly 17:05:59 if $user is in the US, or any place that is routed through the US, and $host is anywhere 17:06:06 any ISP in the US could theoretically MITM the connection 17:06:11 routing, trace mapping, etc are all relevant as well, but this situation is transparent and undetectable 17:06:26 as can the VMWare rootkit on the servers 17:06:30 so, with all this in mind 17:06:38 most of the product offerings are fairly standard 17:06:38 you know that almost no hosts actually use vmware, right? 17:06:45 its a well documented example 17:06:54 yes, but also one that is out of the ordinary\ 17:07:01 the mass of virtualization platforms is open-source 17:07:02 s/vmware/xen/ 17:07:05 and those are the most commonly used 17:07:36 I specifically need to know which providers provide for custom images, the virtu system used, etc 17:07:58 others will care about openvpn and the vpn provider specifics 17:08:09 also dnssec and dns server situations 17:08:17 I think that this discussion topic warrants more of my attention and time than I can afford to give right now, because I kind of have to do work 17:08:23 so perhaps we should continue this discussion later 17:08:27 many of the hosting cos block dns out for flood issues, 17:08:33 all we need, really 17:08:42 is the schema to establish and expand the templates 17:08:52 so a community and the providers can populate the data 17:09:24 this is generally a schema editor for collaboration, and a data input/xmlhttpget script 17:09:51 as I said, we should probably continue discussing this later ;) 17:09:52 now, we need to find someone to help implement that simple part 17:09:55 Sounds like you need to interest some big player, e.g. rackspace 17:09:59 anyone paying attention? 17:10:17 So that they'll put together some huge standard on the format and details and start using it 17:10:26 MK_FG: most of them have either an interest in providing the data, or have easily ripped websites of standard format 17:11:02 there are only 30 virt combinations, with a finite set of configuration variables ;) 17:11:03 And the managers in all the minor players should hear the hype, look at the thing and go "hey, we can do this too" 17:11:22 most of the sales systems can export an xml with product listings 17:11:53 we need to translate that and merge the data structures for interface 17:12:08 it is possible that the same tools could automate provisioning, etc, something I am working on now 17:12:31 * vps-list is sick of finding severe holes or fraud in the various shell company service providers 17:12:47 * vps-list doesnt like buying HW either, prefers VPS/VDS alloactions 17:14:38 joepie91: 's little meta- manager tool is potentially relevant 17:14:48 its just another ripper script with abstraction 17:15:19 (actually, vps-list isn't automated - it's all hand-maintained information) 17:15:54 the same issue exists with payment processing, so many of the service providers are blacklisted because of fraud and other stupidity 17:16:05 (know that? is the point?) 17:16:22 *** zest has quit (Ping timeout) 17:16:27 but even if cryto list is expanded, there is still hundreds of factors/variables that need to be handled 17:17:02 I am also concerned about the mapping of the physical implementation, hate having clusters too far apart in a single data center, and hate having too many boxes on one rack / power supply 17:17:04 simple stuff 17:17:23 all this needs is an exhaustive standard schema based on the range of options available 17:17:51 so, if a few humans can help write up the schema templates, some translation logic, and interface 17:17:57 we can get the process started easily 17:18:05 and let the rest of the world help populate it ;) 17:18:42 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:19:47 ? 17:22:54 and noone wants to bother doing ti 17:23:25 vps-list: people typically aren't watching IRC 24/7 ;) 17:23:41 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:23:43 the whole standardization of this stuff is something I've been thinking about for a while 17:23:50 but I currently don't have the time to work on it actively 17:23:53 i didnt know there could even *be* "people"!!! 17:23:55 vps-list, You want the ultimate semantic web! 17:24:02 and *right now* I don't even really have the time for discussing the details 17:24:07 welp, MK_FG ... ya, doing that is fairly simple 17:24:16 if someone would just follow instructions and code the js 17:24:52 joepie91: i think we all know how to get it done, but just needs someone to start it 17:25:09 I can't understand how you can possibly think it to be that simple, but I didn't had much xp with hosters 17:25:13 also, vps-list, [off] is used in here to prefix a message that you don't want publicly logged 17:25:22 read: google-indexed 17:25:27 k 17:25:33 preferably only use it if you really don't want it indexed 17:25:33 :) 17:25:41 anyway 17:25:44 I will look around some more for schema components 17:25:46 theoretically speaking standardization is pretty easy 17:25:52 it just requires work 17:25:53 and cooperation 17:25:56 the latter will be the trickiest 17:26:02 its just a matter of getting the translation and standards done 17:26:12 there are a lot of little variables to find 17:26:43 i'd rather not have to do HDL profiles from the wires in the facility all the way through the vps's os ;) 17:26:46 vps-list: right, I suggest downloading http://treesheets.com/ and using it to write an initial (structured) list of variables 17:26:48 that have to be included 17:27:04 it's a spreadsheet editor meets mindmap meets text editor 17:27:10 very suitable for this kind of thing :) 17:27:17 nested tables and all 17:27:21 was going to make a JS tool, realtime collaboration 17:27:31 if you have the time for that, by all means do it 17:27:34 ya, the world lacks schema constructors 17:27:38 the internet needs more realtime collab platforms 17:27:44 its needed for the providers to structure their data 17:27:45 open ones that is 17:27:56 or moreso, the existing API and tools used there 17:28:10 things like #AVAILABLE are quite relevant in service provisioning ;)O 17:28:51 treesheets is cute, any similar implementation in js? 17:29:04 not that I am aware of 17:30:02 anyone familiar with js who wants to follow instructions to get this done? its a few hours but I havent kept track of JS issues lately 17:30:30 perhaps twitchyliquid64 may be interested 17:30:44 or even wh1t3r4bb1t 17:31:48 twitchyliquid64: wh1t3r4bb1t beep! 17:33:28 uugh treesheets is intrinsicly limited... there are still no correct semantic modelers anywhere 17:33:35 * vps-list blames darpa and nato 17:35:23 a note from one of the providers: 17:35:25 I see. Well, since they are all using WHMCS (the majority) I think it will be easier if you actually develop a module for whmcs that will allow the companies to choose which plans to automatically list on the xml, which will be publically accessible by you. And from there, you will be able to manipulate the data and do your "magic" in your site? I think this will be the easiest way, otherwise you will end up with 10000 different xml's a 17:35:56 joepie91: how is your meta-api interface to those control systems? 17:36:21 MK_FG: there's your rackspace 17:36:28 *** Cryto970 (Cryto970@cryto-F5313E5E.dynamic.hinet.net) has joined #crytocc 17:36:40 *** Cryto970 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 17:37:26 Not sure what you mean, but such "one big pusher" model seem to be the one that seem to work on the web... somewhat, yeah 17:37:54 No one cares about standard without backers ;( 17:49:23 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:53:23 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:01:13 *** zest (zest@cryto-D181503A.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 18:16:49 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:20:19 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:33:57 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:34:04 friends 18:34:16 I had an idea, yesterday evening 18:34:28 oh well 18:34:41 before that, I will google it to see if anyone had it first xD 18:34:43 back asap 18:39:40 *** furillo has quit (Client exited) 18:39:45 *** furillo (furillo@cryto-28E50DB4.proxy.aol.com) has joined #crytocc 18:41:56 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:46:15 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:47:05 *** mama (me@cryto-9959EDA4.santrex.net) has joined #crytocc 18:51:46 ohai monod 18:51:58 ohai joepie! 18:53:31 oh my god! 18:53:37 "Internet of things" 18:53:42 I am a banana! 18:53:45 from wiki: "... If all objects and people in daily life were equipped with radio tags, they could be identified and inventoried by computers. ..." 18:53:58 actually it's what it is nowaday! 18:54:12 * monod is thinking of mobiles! 18:54:42 and of course email addresses 18:55:16 Yeah, identified - inventorized - tracked - stolen (e.g. "nationalized") 18:55:41 I wish someone would just make something cool on the internet :( 18:55:49 "tracked - stolen" ? MK_FG 18:55:52 there are many cool things on the internet 18:56:01 It'd be nice to put a web interface to a teapot though 18:56:05 and of course outside the internet 18:56:26 hahahaha 18:56:26 joepie91: I'm talking World of Warcraft style cool, we haven't had a Facebook since Facebook 18:56:30 remote web interface XDD 18:56:35 with proxy XDD and Tor xD 18:56:45 And if that's the last thing that changed the game , that's sad 18:57:57 Proxies and tor are not necessary if you can put it all into some self-organizing mesh 18:57:58 *** joepie91 has quit (Broken pipe) 18:58:47 Which, given the trends in prices on chips, miniaturization and power efficiency, seem to be teh future one way or another 18:58:54 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 18:59:39 Or dunno, maybe it all will hit some brick wall suddenly, tech is weird 18:59:42 yeah, in real Internet of Things style 19:00:54 related to your second to last message 19:01:07 dinner timeee 19:06:47 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:11:26 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:29:05 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:31:06 *** zest has quit (Ping timeout) 19:33:48 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:50:57 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:55:27 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:03:37 bbl msg http://twitter.com/foia_pw to continue net services list issues 20:04:28 *** vps-list has quit (User quit: Page closed) 20:04:46 *** crytocc-c has quit (Ping timeout) 20:11:28 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:12:35 *** crytocc-c (crytocc-c@cryto-8D70AE49.tor.primus.ca) has joined #crytocc 20:16:20 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:24:44 just watch a documentary on how people of the third world get their salary 20:24:49 really impressive 20:25:38 I had a little more of an explanation of why I'm better studying 20:26:21 but it's still a really far reality, since I'm now back at my usual pc, in my shared bedroom 20:26:58 the real pity is that all of their everyday reality is not advertised in any way in our world, or better: 20:27:14 there are some campaigns asking you to donate to associations 20:27:32 but even those do not come any close to reality 20:28:09 or better: even those donation campaigns give you no clue of what's "under the hood" of most (all?) techonological things 20:28:54 I'm lucky to have had a rigid education, that taught me rigidness, temperament 20:30:12 but I also lack a bit of it, since I still live in... some kind of "tranquillity" 20:31:37 mine is not true tranquillity, if compared to the people I see everyday, but it does when compared to the third world's overall(?) living condition 20:31:48 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:32:35 I know I may sound banal... that's what I would have thought before too 20:33:02 but also I have come to an end of this public consideration 20:34:22 *** zest (zest@BC9C782E.DA3E8586.A0534C64.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:36:54 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:50:19 *** ilikeapricot has quit (Input/output error) 20:51:34 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:56:21 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:57:23 is XMPP capable of replacing current social networking with success? 20:57:30 and with decentralisation? 21:10:40 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:15:30 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:23:54 monod: doubtful 21:24:00 XMPP is just a transport protocol of sorts 21:24:19 damn 21:24:30 there's Diaspora, though ;) 21:24:33 so now I have to know what a transport protocol is, at least a vague idea 21:24:38 what's that? 21:24:59 https://joindiaspora.com/ 21:25:36 hell yeah 21:25:44 that's the idea I was thinking of, yesterday evening 21:26:04 and I also thought someone had it before me, since I'm not that much into these things atm 21:26:21 but the homepage is truely unfriendly! 21:27:18 so, we personally may contribute hosting a server of ours own? 21:27:47 joepie91, http://podupti.me/ 21:29:00 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:34:07 monod: I'll probably consider setting up a public pod in the near future 21:34:12 when I get around to users.cryto.net 21:34:19 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:34:37 planning on combining everything (git, remotestorage.io, diaspora, XMPP, etc) into one user system 21:34:42 so that you sign up once 21:34:44 and can use all 21:35:48 and you may eventually be candidate for the internet history hall of fame :D 21:37:43 is diaspora* a mature project yet? or maybe.. since it's at 0.3.4.. it might need some time before a mature release 21:38:57 my god... 21:38:58 http://rt.com/usa/patented-monsanto-court-patent-210/ 21:39:02 this is beyond insanity 21:39:08 monod: it's been going well for a few years now 21:39:10 diaspora I mean 21:48:01 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:52:10 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:04:58 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:05:50 *** ElectRo` (electro@cryto-70E29873.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 22:07:34 *** Cryto700 (Cryto700@E098BC9D.76021EB0.A9F5AC84.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:08:05 ? 22:08:15 *** Cryto700 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 22:10:24 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:14:44 even heard about sdf.lonestar.org, joepie91? 22:15:29 vaguely rings a bell 22:21:59 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:27:21 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:28:32 it sounds amazing to me 22:28:39 a remote unix shell! 22:28:48 a remote computer account, free for you to use! 22:29:00 sounds like free vps! :D 22:29:06 not really, but 22:29:56 since I can't use any other real remote hosting service, this one is like heaven! 22:35:01 :P 22:35:09 there's quite a few free shell providers 22:37:49 man, my belief that opensuse is unsuitable for servers has been further reinforced 22:38:45 I should not have to jump through a million hoops to get a httpd + php + ssh2 stack running because the packagers make illogical decisions 22:38:56 still awesome as desktop OS, but seriously, don't run it on a server 22:38:56 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:44:20 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:48:30 *** speakeasy has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 22:56:57 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:57:13 http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/saudi-surveillance/ 22:58:55 sdf.lonestar.org free shell provider definitely's not free! :D 22:59:14 but you only have to pay 1$ to get the minimum 23:00:51 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:07:25 "pico - An easy to use and full featured editor. Select this unless you know what you're doing." hahahaahah 23:13:28 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:15:26 *** zxcvbnm has quit (User quit: leaving) 23:17:54 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:30:36 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:35:15 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:47:23 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:52:16 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:53:41 http://www.ghacks.net/2013/05/13/firefox-21-0-find-out-what-is-new/ 23:53:46 FF21, oh my god 23:53:54 it's the update race xD