00:00:46 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 00:11:08 *** AnonLOS (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:11:30 *** AnonLOS has quit (User quit: you guys, I'm going home.) 00:14:52 lol 00:17:38 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:31:12 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 00:33:17 *** emptyreddata (emptyred@856A53CC.B454AB78.6B89ED8F.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:33:59 ohai emptyreddata 00:34:46 joepie91 00:34:52 you never respond to irc or skype? 00:35:08 crytocc-c: every time I respond, you seem to be offline 00:35:08 >.> 00:35:13 so, ohai :p 00:35:18 well, i'm online now lOL. 00:35:31 just ranting about stupid crap. 00:35:38 *** LastOneStanding has quit (User quit: you guys, I'm going home.) 00:35:42 Hi there joepie91, what's up? 00:36:24 not terribly much, struggling with XMPP atm 00:36:39 whoever thought it was a good idea to make room joins and status changes to 'available' indistinguishable... 00:39:23 Cool. Working on something cool I suppose? :) 00:39:36 UB3R_1337_KR3W, this is not a 'hacking sec'. You also fail to read. The topic says 'NO cracking' etc. If you cant even read you will be entirely incapable of even finding a 'hacking sec' 00:39:59 emptyreddata: hes makng a new XMPP server thingy 00:40:42 emptyreddata: yes, are you familiar with Hipchat? 00:40:48 or Campfire, which afaik is similar 00:41:23 Not really. I've only seen it a couple of times but never worked with it. 00:41:36 basically, team collab stuff over XMPP 00:41:42 working on a similar idea, but open-source 00:41:57 oh, emptyreddata, not sure if I notified you of this before 00:42:05 but this channel is publicly logged (see also the topic) 00:42:13 you can prefix things with [off] to have them not logged 00:42:16 :P 00:42:25 Ha, didn't know you could do that. That's neat 00:42:39 loggy, pointer? 00:42:39 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-05-22#T00-42-39 00:43:28 but yeah, while XMPP seems generally well-designed 00:43:33 there are a few things that make me go "wtf?" 00:43:45 and there's just a _lot_ of information to take in 00:44:31 Yah, the RFC for it is quite lengthy. 00:44:35 heh 00:44:37 the RFC is nothing 00:44:40 the real fun starts with the XEps 00:44:41 XEPs * 00:45:01 http://xmpp.org/xmpp-protocols/xmpp-extensions/ 00:45:14 Oh shiz, extension protocols? Sounds fun xD 00:45:22 I've had to read like 5 so far 00:45:26 to even _start_ doing anything with XMPP 00:45:35 now normally there are libraries to handle things 00:45:39 but I have such a strange and hacky setup... 00:45:51 I have a Python thing connecting as an external XMPP component 00:45:59 with Prosody as XMPP daemon 00:46:07 with a custom plug-in to forward everything to the component 00:46:24 (at this point, we've already had two specific XEPs: external components and stanza forwarding) 00:46:47 the component then unpacks it and manually runs it through a pile of 'matchers' to figure out what kind of stanza it is 00:47:02 and then either processes it manually or throws it into the right sleekxmpp plugin to further process it 00:47:10 with a spaghetti of callbacks, events, and functions 00:47:24 sad part is, there is no easier way 00:47:24 :P 00:47:48 Sounds like you have your hands full then. Seems overly complicated to setup. 00:47:53 indeed 00:48:08 and it's clear that neither Prosody nor SleekXMPP nor really any other kind of XMPP-related thing was designed 00:48:10 for this usecase 00:48:30 so I end up applying hacks left and right, and using bits and pieces of existing libraries to build an actually reliable component 00:48:42 and somehow, it all works together 00:48:43 reliably 00:49:23 at the same time, I'm learning how XMPP works, learning how Prosody works, and learning how SleekXMPP works 00:49:38 and there's several moving parts - the component, the API, the future web interface 00:50:48 anyway, for tonight I'm done 00:50:50 continuing tomorrow 00:51:31 Sounds like its drinking time then xD 00:51:41 * joepie91 doesn't drink alcohol 00:51:42 :p 00:51:47 more like sleeping time 00:51:52 it's almost 03:00 here 00:52:08 going to try and get Anno 1701 running under WINE via PlayOnLinux 00:52:09 and after that, sleep 00:52:16 Ahhh. That's right, you're in norway or some other place near there. 00:52:32 Netherlands * 00:52:32 Like the silly american I am, I assume everyone online shares my timezone. 00:52:40 there's a solution for that! 00:52:54 http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html 00:52:54 Por que? 00:53:37 Haha that's perfect. lol 01:09:25 heh, cat is telling me to go to bed 01:10:13 obey the cat 01:19:13 OBEY 01:19:13 our cat has a habit of coming up to you to cuddle late at night, if she wants you to go to bed 01:19:14 lol 01:19:29 sleep joe :> 01:27:18 anyone know any good machines where I could get 2 1gb/s ports built into the intel chipset and then add in an addition 4x 1gb/s into the machine 01:27:20 ? 01:31:57 like 4x1gbit plugs on-board and room for 2 more on pci-x? 01:32:21 2x1gbit on-board and room for an additional 4 01:34:06 installer working... 01:45:07 ahh 01:45:15 well the right mobo will give you all that 01:45:49 find one with 2 on board, and you'll want one with a fast enough bus to run all its pci-e? ports at full blast, with plenty of room to spare 01:49:49 wtf is up with playonlinux 'forgetting' the WINE version I picked 02:04:13 :/ 02:04:31 guess I've gotten it working 02:04:35 now to dig up a CD key 02:04:46 * joepie91 doesn't feel like digging through 20 boxes to find his legitimate game case 02:05:46 lel 02:06:10 now let's se if the actual game works 02:06:11 see * 02:06:12 hawt, chrome 27 02:06:23 5% faster page loads :D 02:06:25 * joepie91 is not sure whether this a loading screen 02:06:27 goddamnit 02:06:32 after loading screen, it crashed 02:06:35 :( 02:06:58 wine: Call from 0x7bc4d8a0 to unimplemented function granny2.dll._GrannyNewMeshDeformer@16, aborting 02:06:59 bla 02:07:08 * lady-3jane sits down to continue watching google io talks 02:07:45 attempt no 2 02:08:10 boom 02:08:21 pew pew 02:08:32 you know what terrifies me? 02:08:49 that the averages being reported for "popular site" sizes are over 1mb 02:09:01 gotta pull in 1mb of shit to have their page 02:09:06 700kb on mobile 02:09:11 that is fucking LUDICROUS. 02:09:19 I guess it's WINE version lotto then 02:09:25 YAYERRRRR 02:09:26 pick versions until one works 02:09:27 :P 02:10:11 even the playonlinux script shit itself :( 02:10:25 apparently anno 1701 is notoriously hard to get to work 02:10:32 to the point where there are actual videos on youtube about it 02:10:59 heeeheeeeeeee 02:11:06 but hey 02:11:09 I got installshield working 02:11:11 and the fucker boots 02:11:17 that's much farther than I was before 02:11:17 lol 02:11:23 further* ? 02:11:45 dunno 02:11:50 I'd guess further 02:12:01 well, it got to the point of displaying a 'busy' cursor 02:12:04 that's more than before 02:12:08 crashed a few seconds later 02:12:23 ahhh 02:12:45 farther is almost always with physical distance, further is for any sort of metaphorical distance 02:14:34 right 02:15:56 wtf is with this granny crap 02:19:50 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 03:10:19 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 03:43:16 *** necrose (necrose99_@cryto-61EAECE5.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 04:05:03 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-ED61415A.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 04:06:25 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 04:08:59 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:29:08 *** LastOneStanding has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:30:36 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:33:48 *** LastOneStanding has quit (User quit: you guys, I'm going home.) 04:36:57 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:41:57 *** LastOneStanding has quit (Ping timeout) 04:49:03 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:51:36 *** emptyreddata has quit (User quit: Leaving) 04:53:56 *** LastOneStanding has quit (User quit: you guys, I'm going home.) 07:08:08 *** necrose has quit (Ping timeout) 11:00:35 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 12:14:54 *** crates has quit (Input/output error) 12:16:58 *** crates (crates@A224C3CF.6D354C49.40C1D8BB.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:19:54 *** tahnk has quit (Client exited) 12:20:00 *** tahnk (tahnk@cryto-28E50DB4.proxy.aol.com) has joined #crytocc 12:21:47 *** ElectRo` has quit (Ping timeout) 12:34:45 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 12:42:29 *** mama (me@66BC946F.B3F28EF6.7A6025C7.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:29:02 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 14:59:18 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 16:03:05 *** emptyreddata (emptyred@856A53CC.B454AB78.6B89ED8F.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:07:39 *** joepie91 has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 16:07:56 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:08:21 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:08:33 so 16:08:38 got my stuff from buyincoins 16:08:38 whee! 16:08:39 including dust blower ball thing 16:08:40 CPU temp dropped from 32 to 19 celsius.... 16:11:11 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-EEBC633E.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 16:12:06 ohai pzuraq 16:12:56 ohai joepie 16:12:58 lol 16:13:03 in my tongue, that rhymes 16:13:09 but in yours it does not 16:13:19 lol 16:13:20 also 16:13:20 got my stuff from buyincoins 16:13:20 whee! 16:13:20 including dust blower ball thing 16:13:20 CPU temp dropped from 32 to 19 celsius.... 16:13:49 dust blower thing? 16:14:16 also, buyincoins looks awesome 16:15:06 it is 16:15:09 http://www.buyincoins.com/new_en/details/new-rubber-air-dust-blower-ball-watch-cleaning-tool-for-watch-computer-camera-product-17438.html 16:15:31 stresstesting cpu atm 16:15:46 full load for 5 minutes, 55 celsius 16:16:26 approaching 60 16:16:39 a tire pump does the job just as good 16:16:53 DrWhat: no, it doesn't 16:16:59 plus higher air pressure 16:17:03 A. it doesn't have this kind of nozzle and B. it's not handheld in one hand 16:17:14 and C. tire pumps have a tendency of having somewhat moist air coming out 16:17:18 Mine does 16:17:22 that's exactly what you want to avoid 16:17:22 and its plasic 16:17:24 so not static 16:17:25 for this kind of thing 16:18:08 heard about the blaze emulator :) 16:18:30 im looking forward to it :D 16:18:38 I have not 16:18:42 ive applied to be a beta tester 16:19:20 hihi 16:19:23 i have a question 16:19:33 about doemela and his irc server 16:19:39 cyberguerilla 16:19:55 please ensure, first of all, that this is the channel where you want to be asking this 16:20:15 oh, it's an ear cleaner for your pc 16:20:40 more like the manual version of a pressurized air container 16:21:35 joepie91:) ear cleaner: http://image.dhgate.com/desc_335204185_00.jpg 16:21:59 lol 16:22:09 similar objects 16:22:10 :> 16:22:29 and hmm, a bobble would last longer than fucking canned air 16:22:40 yes 16:23:16 what kind of payments do they take? paypal I see 16:23:24 yes :P 16:23:27 paypal only afaik 16:23:32 (including CC via paypal) 16:23:36 * lady-3jane grumbles 16:23:38 yeah 16:23:51 just want to know if its safe to go on there 16:23:55 I wish dwolla was available to outside the US 16:23:59 i see the names was changed to rootd 16:24:07 <10$ is no transaction fee 16:24:15 and i know anonset changed to rootd 16:24:17 and then shot to shit 16:24:19 LastOneStanding: as I've said many many many times 16:24:26 IRC is an inherently insecure protocol 16:24:32 trusting _any_ IRC network would be foolish 16:24:36 well 16:24:41 i know for a fact 16:24:49 dmzpkts is behing rootd 16:24:56 in any server he goes into 16:25:02 LastOneStanding: all this shouldn't even be relevant 16:25:05 joepie91:) I could trust this one if I got root on all the nodes and did security audits :D 16:25:12 if you were vigilant about security, you would be ASSUMING that everything is compromised 16:25:20 meaning that something being ACTUALLY compromised has 0 news value 16:25:21 ^ aye 16:25:25 and 0 significance 16:25:29 because you were already assuming it anyway 16:26:18 if you want secure communications, then use something where it doesn't _matter_ whether servers are compromised 16:26:20 such as XMPP + OTR 16:26:41 mmhmm 16:26:56 someday sue will set up our xmpp server 16:27:10 database backed and all that fanciness :> 16:27:27 lady-3jane: I'd like to recommend Prosody 16:27:32 sue? 16:27:34 and I'm making him get a real ssl cert for that address for a little bit more faux security 16:27:38 it generally works very well, and I've found the community to be extremely helpful 16:27:39 thanks for the lecture 16:27:44 yeah? 16:27:44 * LastOneStanding high fives everyone 16:27:50 so helpful :| 16:28:00 ahhh, in lua 16:28:13 I bet that's much easier to deal with than fucking erlang 16:28:21 because that shit was so finicky 16:28:45 found ejabberd to be terrible 16:28:49 yes 16:28:52 both in terms of reliability and community 16:28:56 terrible is charitable 16:28:59 lol 16:29:02 but yeah, use Prosody 16:29:07 there's also a good amount of plugins for it 16:29:08 kk 16:29:11 does it have user database? 16:29:11 that let you do things with databases 16:29:16 okay 16:29:18 it can even do ejabberd extauth scripts 16:29:24 which is what I am doing right now 16:29:30 cause we want to do SSO backed by a db shared by all services 16:29:36 (using the auth_external_ejabberd or whatever mod) 16:29:44 that's the end-idea 16:30:00 sign up for mail, automatically get xmpp and all that 16:30:10 or sign up for xmpp, can receive mail at your xmpp handle 16:30:14 etc 16:30:27 yes 16:30:33 should be possible with extauth 16:30:37 yeah 16:30:45 extauth script == prosody will contact an externally running process to ask "hey, is this login valid" 16:30:55 we may need to write some glue, but that's no biggie 16:31:03 probably no glue ncessary 16:31:05 :P 16:31:05 necessary * 16:31:09 that'd be nice 16:31:49 pop over to prosody@conference.prosody.im 16:31:57 and ask around there 16:31:57 :p 16:32:02 oh hey I know how to do that 16:33:24 I think 16:33:28 * lady-3jane fucks with pidgin 16:34:39 :O 16:34:40 IT WORKED 16:34:57 this is the first time I have ever gotten xmpp to work out of the box 16:35:00 :OOOOO 16:36:20 why's that? 16:36:25 I haven't had issues with it ever, really 16:36:34 except for the sometimes shoddy roster updates 16:36:35 dunno 16:36:40 I've never had it work 16:36:43 but that seems to be an issue specific to jabber.org and gmail.com 16:36:46 it's why I've never had an xmpp handle 16:36:52 because I haven't had the issue since I switched to neko.im 16:36:52 hm, odd 16:36:55 cept gmail I guess, but that's going away 16:37:29 sue's getting paranoid as shit about google and everything, so they're making distributed services 16:37:36 I hope it gets finished, gonna be legit 16:37:53 though I think it's gonna all be debian and not my love, freebsd 17:05:14 *** ElectRo` (electro@580577E8.892DD449.D842111A.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:21:01 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 17:21:23 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-EEBC633E.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 17:24:33 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 17:36:45 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 18:07:36 I am a banana 18:31:57 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-EEBC633E.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 18:35:08 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 19:03:13 *** zest (zest@cryto-EB219491.guilhem.org) has joined #crytocc 19:10:28 *** DrWhat has quit (Ping timeout) 19:47:54 *** LastOneStanding has quit (No route to host) 19:48:38 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:53:22 *** eyesonlyhack (eyesonlyha@E3DACCC3.AF365F39.6E5B61D.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:54:24 hey, i wanted to ask. What is the best way to install a hidden operating system or files that has plausible deniability 19:54:53 i live in country where you can be compelled by law to give up your password 19:57:16 i've thought of truecrypt, with a hidden OS? anyone have any thoughts? 19:58:59 truecrypt is probably the best way to go 19:59:16 or virtual machines 19:59:26 or a combo of both 19:59:34 think inception 19:59:35 XD 20:00:19 have a look at tails 20:00:21 Truecrypt is best. Just make sure you read through its suggestions on increasing the security and what it doesn't help fight. 20:01:46 cool, thanks. I'm trying to get into all this crypto/anonymity stuff, i'm trying to figure out a good combination/setup for myself 20:21:39 *** eyesonlyhack has quit (Ping timeout) 20:24:49 *** AnonyOps[m] (anony_ops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 20:25:24 *** eyesonlyhack (eyesonlyha@E3DACCC3.AF365F39.6E5B61D.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:39:28 *** eyesonlyhack has quit (Ping timeout) 20:41:00 *** eyesonlyhack (eyesonlyha@E3DACCC3.AF365F39.6E5B61D.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:46:40 eyesonlyhack, Umm... if you can be compelled to give up your password you can a) say you forgot it and it's just a random data 20:47:18 b) it doesn't matter what you say, you have to prove you don't have cryptocontainer, which is impossible due to stenography and such 20:48:06 well, apparently it's not good enough to say you forgot your password 20:48:44 Then if you gov has reason to suspect you hide stuff, you're boned no matter what, no? ;) 20:51:12 well, i'm not 100% sure what flies and what does not 20:51:50 i live in South Africa, and apparently here you can be compelled to give your password to say an encrypted laptop 20:52:11 do i'm hoping plausible deniability works 20:53:51 luckily here, the government is completely incompetent and knows nothing about technology 20:55:40 Heh, I'd think that makes problem much worse, in fact 20:55:59 Meaning that from their pov, the best way to detect if you hide something... 20:56:20 ...is to beat you with rubber hose until you give up everything you possibly know 20:56:38 you they know how to detect way he hide ))) 20:56:45 No need (or point) to look at this technology thing at all! ;) 20:56:46 you/if 20:57:07 they/they would 20:57:29 way/the way 20:57:46 oh man my eng is terrible, I need practice more ) 20:58:35 MK_FG: so why they not beat him yet ?) 20:59:04 No point yet 20:59:12 * they have fear to hear what he might say I think ) 20:59:35 http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/57223-cryptography-and-jailtime-in-sa.html 21:00:51 don't say "I hide" to non-tech guys and everything will be fine ) 21:02:38 what about self destruct crypto, the keys are encrypted and sent to a server, you download them, then unencrypt with a different password, but the server will self destruct the encrypted keys in certain circumstances 21:03:20 so you need to login to that server once a day, to keep your keys or something 21:03:27 Might as well just store all data on some remote machine 21:03:47 Sensitive-enough data, that is 21:04:08 that probably is better 21:04:24 "you have to produce sufficient evidence to the judge that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the decryption key holder is in possession of the encrypted information and the decryption key" 21:04:53 mess 21:05:09 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-ED61415A.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 21:05:11 yes, so plausible deniability or self destruction keys would work 21:05:14 I imagine if the prosecution provide the logs of you logging to some vps, you'd have to give them root for it 21:05:35 i've never though of it that way, but i guess so 21:06:15 it would need to be booby trapped, in some undetectable way 21:06:27 In prosecutor's place, I don't think I'd have any reason to believe that if you say "my key self-destructed", you're telling the truth 21:06:30 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 21:06:51 Booby-trapped in an obvious and easily-verifiable way, more like ;) 21:07:01 But there's no guarantee you don't have backups 21:07:22 I'd keep one or two, just in case of hiccup with such boobytrap ;) 21:07:24 well, if a service out there exists for self-destructable keys, then it's possible 21:07:52 i don't think they can lock you up for using a service like that 21:07:57 I guess so, if it's a known and trusted one 21:08:05 Like google or something like that... 21:08:17 ...and it's not yet backdoored ;) 21:08:34 so a 3rd party would have your keys (But encrypted) 21:08:58 you can be forced to give up your password/account to service 21:08:59 it's backdoored by the US :) 21:09:02 just assume that much 21:09:22 By whatever country it operates in, there laws for that 21:10:01 well, i'm in South Africa, there is only one kind of backdoor we here and it's not tech related ;) 21:10:13 No one would bother if it's some obscure service, but that means no one would believe/know about it either 21:10:54 it could be a documented open source program, then i could host it myself on a vps 21:11:43 i'm just trying to think of a way of doing this without having to lie, by using the plausible deniability 21:12:07 But you are going to lie about not having something, no? 21:12:18 because then i would be relying on say truecrypts plausible deniability technology 21:12:22 not having flaws 21:12:33 no, i lie about nothing 21:13:01 well the encrypted files yes 21:15:55 *** LastOneStanding has quit (Ping timeout) 21:16:02 If I'd really have to hide this data, I'd consider having something that can indeed block my last access to these 21:16:47 Like killing the hdd, burning the note, or maybe breaking the smartcard chip 21:17:28 Don't expect to hold any secrets under well-practiced police inquiries and tactical beatings ;) 21:18:12 well, with self destructable keys, they can't get the data, even with beating, i just can't give them anything 21:18:14 Most people don't seem to do well there... 21:18:26 Yep, that's the point 21:18:35 that why i don't like the hidden os idea 21:19:48 but i have not heard of any crypto that implements any self destruction ideas/concepts 21:20:29 i've heard of Jullian Assange suggest it 21:20:54 It's easy enough to do if your system is online 21:21:21 (at least it seems so, might be hard to make it robust enough) 21:21:54 (...i.e. so it won't get triggered by accident, ever) 21:23:41 well, i like the ideas of only your keys being online, but all your data on a hard drive or laptop 21:25:40 By "online" above I meant "turned on" ;) 21:27:22 http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-28/world/38885216-FBI-bill-bans-prime-numbers 21:28:16 (just lulzy title) 21:31:10 yeah, i suppose the best thing here is to stay off the radar, so anonymity is more important than encryption 21:32:30 Or just go over to "nothing to hide" or "beyond pain" cranks' territories ;) 21:32:34 for the article though, the best way to fight that is promote p2p technologies, that don't have big central databases of all your data 21:34:10 Hah, I didn't actually read it myself, just seen some reptoidz set it as a topic for some channel (on a third attempt, no less) ;) 21:35:20 well, it is basically about government spying on everyone and who you chat with 21:44:37 *** eyesonlyhack has quit (Ping timeout) 22:03:22 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-EEBC633E.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 22:03:32 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 22:05:50 *** foolex (foolex@AD356075.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:06:00 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:13:15 ...fuck...paypal... 22:14:59 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 22:15:00 hai 22:15:05 does anyone have an actual idea 22:15:05 of 22:15:11 how to completely erase a fie 22:15:24 file* 22:15:26 on Linux, obv. 22:23:33 *** speakeasy (speakeasy@speakeasy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:31:50 iceTwy, On hdd - "shred -u file" 22:31:59 and 22:32:03 what about data remanence 22:32:08 from old files deleted normally? 22:32:16 I was thinking about sfill and/or BleachBit 22:32:30 and I'm yet to find a good solution for my SDD :/ 22:32:34 SSD* 22:33:01 Don't think there's well-known easy and/or reliable way for ssd 22:33:11 That's what they say, yeah. 22:33:15 Toss it into a fire or something 22:33:20 That's simple ;) 22:33:20 herp 22:33:36 I'm not in massive trouble 22:33:40 don't need to do that ^^ 22:33:45 simply looki 22:33:52 looking* for a way to effectively erase old data 22:33:54 from my HDD. 22:34:01 cause I'll be selling an old PC 22:34:03 so ye 22:34:15 Use dm-crypt and just throw out the key, never store it 22:34:32 With old pc - use shred on whole disk 22:34:49 shred 22:34:57 or.. 22:34:57