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Now I realize why I used ajax. I need a damn response before they click submit. 06:59:24 * wh1t3r4bb1t sighs 07:02:17 I suppose it's nice for the user to know that the username, email, etc. is valid before they click submit. Live validation is all the rage these days. 07:03:33 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 07:05:11 *has been all the rage since ie6 days 07:07:33 TIL that crazy-paranoid-theos-openbsd openssh has single-(md5+aes) password strenghtening for ~/.ssh/id_* ;) 07:08:10 Wonder how the hell these guys who use bcrypt in /etc/passwd managed to mess it up... 07:27:31 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 07:27:52 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D1598C86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 07:28:31 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 07:31:03 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 07:34:06 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:36:03 *** LastOneStanding has quit (User quit: you guys, I'm going home.) 07:38:16 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D1598C86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 08:08:41 *** Amnesthesia (Amnesthesi@Amnesthesia.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 08:23:55 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 08:24:16 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D1598C86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 08:27:24 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 09:45:52 *** anonO_o has quit (Input/output error) 09:57:24 *** Amnesthesia has quit (Ping timeout) 10:35:51 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@D68C9ED.3BC0875E.71C5A468.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:34:47 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D1598C86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 11:36:25 *** pzuraq has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:18:29 viRal are you there? 12:25:52 *** drazil has quit (User quit: Konversation terminated!) 12:32:02 *** darkvail (darkvail@darkvail.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:54:36 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D1598C86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 13:34:52 *** anonnews050 (anonnews05@44C4192F.F4DA04AD.166F4C12.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:40:22 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 13:40:46 *** mama_ (hell@cryto-1309AB55.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 13:40:50 *** mama_ is now known as mama 14:13:23 *** zxcvbnm-g0ne is now known as zxcvbnm 14:13:51 morning 14:19:47 *** anonnews050 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:14:58 joepie91:) you awake :) 15:38:22 *** flate has quit (Ping timeout) 15:41:21 *** flate (rtor@A7044D1C.3CD1955A.B2EBD6BC.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:56:04 Good after night. 15:59:24 *** BLTGeno has quit (Ping timeout) 16:08:12 *** Hoax has quit (Client exited) 16:37:20 lady-3jane: partially 16:42:26 https://twitter.com/FreeanonsInfo/status/339419532546428928 16:50:20 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 16:51:24 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@cryto-457E3413.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #crytocc 16:57:51 *** mama (hell@6C3FBDE9.C43BFE9A.D6654D06.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:04:30 *** BLTGeno has quit (Client exited) 17:20:55 *** BLTGeno (BLTGeno4@cryto-457E3413.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #crytocc 17:44:59 *** AnonForecast_ (AnonForeca@cryto-9E692F8D.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #crytocc 17:45:32 *** AnonForecast has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:51:30 *** pzuraq_ (pzuraq@cryto-D1598C86.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 17:52:26 *** flate_ (rtor@cryto-37C03D90.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 17:52:33 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 17:52:33 *** flate has quit (Ping timeout) 17:57:27 *** AppleJack has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 18:00:50 *** AppleJack (sb@cryto-A18B0645.drama.tw) has joined #crytocc 18:00:58 *** AppleJack has quit (Ping timeout) 18:02:27 *** mama_ (hell@F3C0AFFC.C46D77AB.3D80AFF6.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:03:22 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 18:05:58 *** mama_ is now known as mama 18:06:00 *** AppleJack (sb@cryto-A18B0645.drama.tw) has joined #crytocc 18:09:45 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 18:16:40 .bitcoin 18:16:41 1 BTC = $128.32, 1 BTC = €100.00 18:18:14 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 18:26:54 *** mama (hell@cryto-B3488B81.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 18:35:11 *** Hoax (uid11324@cryto-D2EA44F9.irccloud.com) has joined #crytocc 18:39:01 Theoretically, one could hit facebook's api to check if a username is available by writing a script without using any authorization? My guess is no but... 18:42:21 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 18:42:30 I'm inquiring because I'm building an api for signup verification and I don't know how I'm going to secure it yet. Ajax calls will be made with js and the user could easily read the code in firebug etc. and then mimic api calls. I was considering using an api key but it would have to be passed in the ajax call whitch makes it visible to smart people. 18:45:29 *** mama (hell@6A9B32C3.DA3E8586.A0534C64.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:01:13 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3408193/authenticating-if-a-facebook-account-exists-dont-want-to-go-through-fb-login 19:01:57 The association of e-mail though is still a bit ambiguous 19:22:31 wh1t3r4bb1t: basically, don't rely on client-side validation 19:23:10 client-side validation is a nice gimmick and good for userfriendliness 19:23:14 but it's not a security feature 19:23:20 and should not be treated as such 19:23:35 client-side validation for the userfriendliness, server-side validation for security :) 19:26:41 *** zest (zest@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 19:36:37 I think I came up with a secure solution for client-side validation joepie91. I'm going to test it in a few minutes. 19:39:17 This is a long shot but it might work well, if it works at all. lol 19:41:31 *** ElectRo` (electro@cryto-A351D518.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 19:48:13 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 20:02:54 wh1t3r4bb1t: there's no such thing as secure client-side validation 20:02:56 and will never be 20:04:16 *** monod (none@cryto-E7927BD.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #crytocc 20:04:27 hi boyz 20:04:58 for the final results of my compression test, visit "loggy, pointer?" 20:04:58 the validation is server-side but the validation request is made client-side. 20:08:56 loggy, pointer? 20:08:56 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-05-28#T20-08-56 20:12:06 1) Client visits page. 2) Server generates api key. 3) Server encrypts api key. 4) Server writes the encrypted key in a hidden form field. 5) Client sends ajax request with the encrypted key to api. 6) Server decrypts the api key and compares it. 7) Server allows or denies the api call. 20:13:55 * zest ajax .. 20:14:57 Once the session expires the api key is deleted. It's secure enough to check if a username is available or the email is in use via ajax. 20:15:38 I'm not validating login info so no big deal. 20:16:18 wh1t3r4bb1t: I don't see the point of 'encrypting' the 'API key'? 20:16:26 (what kind of encryption would you even be using?) 20:20:12 You're right I should just limit the number of api requests per key. The encryption is overkill. 20:20:29 wh1t3r4bb1t: I'm not even entirely sure what problem you're trying to solve 20:20:39 someone bruteforcing/fuzzing users by making API calls programmatically? 20:20:48 to check whether a user/email is in use? 20:21:12 I'm in love with my friends girlfriend and she loves me back so... wut do? 20:21:41 three-way relationship? ish 20:21:52 but, what was the problem you were trying to solve? :P 20:22:06 and I mean the technical problem 20:22:14 not the relationship problem 20:22:51 I'm trying to make it difficult for someone from building a table of known usernames/emails for future brute forcing. 20:23:34 right 20:23:37 just use a session key 20:23:48 basically the same as CSRF protection 20:23:59 it won't help _terribly_ much in this case 20:24:14 but if you already have CSRF protection anyway, it should take almost no effort to do this 20:29:00 I'm just going to limit the api key use to like 12. Just in case someone needs that many tries to be original. 20:29:39 session key will be the api key 20:29:46 but 20:29:54 wut do about the girl 20:29:57 ? 20:30:55 I'm falling for her and I don't want to let a good thing slip away. Her and my friend are || this far from being completely broken up. 20:31:21 if you're thinking what I suspect you're thinking about 20:31:24 don't you dare 20:31:48 breaking up their relationship just to further your own would be incredibly selfish 20:32:14 He dumped beer on her head and kicked us both out of his truck in the middle of a mountain and we had to walk 4 miles to get to our vehicles. 20:32:50 His stated reason for doing such is that her and I "get along too well". 20:33:28 It only brought us closer together (the kicking us out of the truck incident). 20:34:00 I've said all I can say on this topic 20:34:15 three-way relationship? ish 20:34:23 don't you dare 20:34:23 breaking up their relationship just to further your own would be incredibly selfish 20:34:29 that's my input on the matter 20:35:18 Oh and he turned his dogs on her cat and they killed it before we got back to the vehicles. He's psycho and he admittedly beat his last gf so badly she went to the ER. 20:36:27 So... Follow heart or stand by and let her slip away when they break up permanently? 20:37:13 wh1t3r4bb1t: considering your own interests, I don't think you're in the position to get them to break up, even if it is an abusive or otherwise 'bad' relationship 20:37:22 there's far too much potential for bias in your own favour 20:37:33 bring in a third party, common friend, whatever 20:37:42 have him try and work out the mess 20:37:52 s/him/them/ 20:38:20 someone whose view is not colored by their own romantic interests 20:39:05 and honestly, if not pulling her out of her relationship will make her 'slip away', despite keeping in contact... 20:39:16 you should probably be considering whether a relationship would be a good idea in the first place 20:39:29 They are. I'm not going to see them for at least 5 more days. 20:41:07 *** pzuraq_ has quit (Input/output error) 20:42:07 She told me she id definitely leaving him and wants to move back to her home state. That's the risk of the slipping away. If he touches her in a violent manner though, I will have to arrest him. 20:42:16 id = is 20:42:58 has she said that explicitly, word for word, or is that your interpretation? 20:45:51 She said the exact words: "I though about the situation, rabbit. I don't want him to beat me like he did his last gf. I am definitely leaving him. I am putting together an escape plan. I want to move back to my home state.". 20:47:32 in that case, go for it 20:47:50 (though I wonder why you have a friend that beats up people) 20:50:54 When I left their cabin the other day she looked into my eyes and her eyes said I don't want you to go. He was pretending to sleep in the bedroom. I wanted to drop my shit out of my arms and hug/kiss her so badly but I don't want to make anymore problems while she is executing her escape plan. 20:51:18 *** Cryto911 (Cryto911@15CB8A19.58D9BBF0.FC3E906.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:51:49 joepie91: (though I wonder why you have a friend that beats up people) | He's not a good friend and I will never look at him as a man ever again. 20:52:03 ? 20:52:51 Cryto911... 20:52:55 loggy, pointer! 20:52:55 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-05-28#T20-52-55 20:53:33 ohai Cryto911, please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and be sure to read the topic 20:53:37 Full convo ^^ 20:55:43 joepie91, the shitty part about the future situation is that I work for this guy's landlord so to speak. He lives at a cabin my employer owns. 20:57:46 Fortunately I have my own cabin on the opposite side of the same mountain and means to quit that job if things get nasty. 20:58:27 wh1t3r4bb1t: that's some f'd up shi. 20:58:55 The way I see it there are 2 directions this can go --> good or bad 20:59:00 Insightful, I know 20:59:44 Getting between a violent dude and his gf is not a good idea, IMO. 20:59:57 Making the proper persons aware of that violent dude is a good idea 21:00:10 Giving him a reason to target you, not a good idea 21:01:03 But if you get along with this girl (you obviously care about her) then you should do what you can to keep both of you safe 21:02:11 I agree zxcvbnm. He already spites me and blames me and her for his self control and anger problem. I'm not getting between them. In fact I never have made a pass at his girl nor have I even hinted that I liked her as more than a friend. I didn't like her as more than a friend until after he pulled his bullshit and me and her spent the next morning talking and sharing interests. 21:04:19 Yea, well it's cool you had a connection with her :) albeit, under less than desirable circumstances 21:05:19 In the event that he becomes violent towards her or myself I will restrain him and take him to the sheriff's office with her and my statements and let the law handle him. he has a felony for beating his last wife or gf and he will be locked up. 21:05:52 I hope it doesn't come to that 21:06:04 I can't believe he would treat this girl like he did. She is an 11 IMO. 21:06:23 Some guys are total douches 21:06:37 And have other underlying issues 21:06:51 Like myself when I argue with joepie91? :P 21:07:19 Ha, perhaps similar :P 21:07:49 But, I am like you, I can't believe how any guy can abuse a girl 21:07:56 I'm non-violent but I do occasionally make douche-ish statements when we argue (me and joe). -_- 21:08:21 Douchin around with your friends is fine :P 21:09:20 omg 21:09:27 First of all almost any guy is stronger than his gf. Granted there are exceptions but in general... Beaters and cheaters are the lowest forms of life IMO. 21:09:37 fuck this TrendMicro "white paper" i just lost 3 minutes of my life 21:10:09 "white paper"? 21:10:27 wh1t3r4bb1t: Sometimes cheaters aren't malicious, -- more neglectful of other person's feelings & selfish 21:10:46 true^^ 21:10:48 Not always, just saying, from experience 21:11:46 I don't know how to exactly define white paper, it's basically a company/organization's analysis of a topic related to InfoSec 21:11:58 like this one, which is pretty weak, is entitled "ATP Lateral Movement" 21:12:06 http://about-threats.trendmicro.com/cloud-content/us/ent-primers/pdf/tlp_lateral_movement.pdf 21:12:48 Will reading it be a waste of time? 21:12:49 gotta goooo 21:12:57 *** monod has quit (User quit: byebye fellaz) 21:12:57 yes 21:12:58 don't read that 21:13:05 That's an example of a bad white paper 21:14:09 Ahh, well, most of the people who write those things are douches. haha 21:14:59 *** Cryto911 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 21:15:48 I had to read some similar docs when I worked for a telecom company and they were always full of obvios statements and occasional misinformation. 21:16:10 obvious* 21:17:13 Yeah 21:17:31 Sometimes they have good stuff in 'em.. Kaspersky has good analysis papers 21:17:41 Technical with lots of screenshots, md5s, dns names, domains, etc etc 21:18:02 which allows me to check for the existence of the same bad juju in my network 21:18:52 I don't know how to exactly define white paper, it's basically a company/organization's analysis of a topic related to InfoSec 21:18:58 I think I have a better definition 21:19:23 Gladly welcome one 21:19:29 It's all about value. I can't believe some people get paid so well to write shity analysis papers. 21:19:52 "promotional document that states a 'problem' that may or may not be imagined into existence for the purpose of selling the publishers services, followed by an in-depth analysis of said problem and explanation of how the services offered by publisher solve this possibly non-existent problem" 21:20:08 that seems to cover 99.9999% of whitepapers I've seen 21:20:24 :P 21:20:30 Yeah 21:20:33 I think that's a fair estimate 21:21:07 Here's a problem that possibly exists, here's a theoretical solution, here's how we made our commercial product better than that solution that we just made up! 21:21:18 lol 21:22:07 I actually saw the CTO of Gazzang give a talk about encryption and key management for the cloud 21:22:13 And that's effectively what he did 21:24:04 Smart guy though, does a lot for open source 21:25:17 *** mama has quit (Client exited) 21:25:29 The concept he was discussing was pretty cool. It involves bringing in a "trustee" to your key management 21:26:04 *** Cryto574 (Cryto574@1A7A1EB4.D452E609.3D0DB35E.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:28:27 *** anonnews683 (anonnews68@cryto-61DFD0DA.timetour.com.br) has joined #crytocc 21:28:34 *** anonnews683 has parted #crytocc () 21:29:15 *** Cryto574 has quit (Ping timeout) 21:37:31 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 21:46:10 *** mama (hell@cryto-CF95923E.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 21:48:35 https://secure.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/sets/72157633722203885/ 21:48:46 cc zxcvbnm lady-3jane 21:49:22 *** BLTGeno has quit (Ping timeout) 21:49:50 oooo hooo hehehe 21:49:54 see what I did there? 21:53:00 joepie91: I am so confused at what I am looking at 21:53:18 zxcvbnm: lol 21:53:20 also 21:53:23 those are pictures 21:53:25 of the Internet Archive 21:53:31 the physical representation of http://archive.org 21:54:09 the building from the outside: http://www.codinghorror.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0167648b2ac7970b-800wi 21:54:17 Oh I saw the main room which looks like a church.. 21:54:46 also, zxcvbnm, watch this: www.wimp.com/internetarchive/ 21:55:18 are you a wimp frequenter 21:55:49 no, not really 21:56:01 they just happen to have a good video 21:56:02 :p 21:56:03 ya 21:56:52 ahh yeah 21:56:58 I've seen that now, it's all coming back to me 21:59:04 to play with random videos is fun 22:00:04 moon, naked mouse, old man play with shadows, madness 22:01:25 One of the best Football interceptions this year. LOL :D 22:01:51 I !love the way Windows names some executables: C:\Windows\WinSxS\amd64_microsoft-windows-servicingstack_31bf3856ad364e35_6.2.9200.16455_none_624a7aa150f57306\TiWorker.exe 22:03:06 zxcvbnm: and people are surprised that computer users cannot distinguish between a legitimate system application and malware... 22:04:17 joepie91: If I had a nickel for every *.exe I executed "strings" against to see if there was malicious code in it 22:04:30 zxcvbnm: then you'd now have 15 cents 22:04:36 :P 22:05:33 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 22:07:25 joepie91: The worst is when I'm doing forensics on 10 GB worth of text and after 30 minutes of reading one meaningless error/warning/info after another... only to find out the time wasn't synced right and it was the wrong 3 minutes 22:08:11 Wrong 3 minute window of code logging* 22:08:45 long story short, clock syncing is important 22:09:02 hah 22:09:34 *** ShadowDemon (alexgurrol@shadowdemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:09:39 Meow 22:09:47 Back on Debian 7 :D 22:10:10 I love linux. I can't stand being on Windows for too long, but sadly I have to switch to it for Visual Studio or Photoshop 22:10:48 http://it.slashdot.org/story/08/05/13/1533212/debian-bug-leaves-private-sslssh-keys-guessable 22:10:57 Ahhh reminds me of the good ol' days 22:11:15 ShadowDemon: I use virtual machine if needed win environment 22:20:32 *** Shinji (bugtraq@61FED69B.389DB0A0.6152E7E4.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:21:29 *** Hoax has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 22:21:29 *** AppleJack has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 22:23:33 *** Hoax (uid11324@cryto-D2EA44F9.irccloud.com) has joined #crytocc 22:23:33 *** AppleJack (sb@cryto-A18B0645.drama.tw) has joined #crytocc 22:25:44 *** Shinji has quit (Ping timeout) 22:31:30 I'm attempting to do the same right now 22:31:35 Looking for a Windows CD :P 22:32:44 what you use, virtual box ? 22:32:52 Yeah 22:33:39 zxcvbnm: Regardless of the ssl issue, Debian still works perfectly on all my systems and is wonderful for development. 22:37:06 http://kat.ph/usearch/windows%207%20iso/ 22:38:33 ShadowDemon : WINE is getting better and better 22:38:38 especially when combined with PlayOnLinux 22:38:51 with some messing around I can basically get just about any Windows game to run 22:39:03 I'd expect general application support to have improved also 22:39:30 wine take additional system resources 22:39:36 I'm not a gamer though 22:40:09 this is more about popularity I think 22:40:23 o 22:40:44 ShadowDemon: Oh I was just joking around :) Someone I know was talking about that Debian bug today 22:41:00 ShadowDemon: I was reminded of it when you mentioned it 22:41:23 Personally, I don't want to run Windows apps in Linux. I'd rather not convolute my system. :P 22:41:31 zest: extra resources needed by WINE are minimal, in my experience 22:41:49 bf actually has The Sims 3 running smoother on Linux via WINE than it did on Windows... 22:42:56 zxcvbnm: I know silly. It has its share of issues just like everything else, but the bottom line is that it has never let me down for any of my computer needs. It has also never crashed on me *knock on wood* 22:43:29 joepie91: I don't doubt it. Windows has so many unnecessary resources used up just to be idle. 22:43:39 Just like everything else? ha, name me one Windows version that has issues. 22:43:50 Mhm, times up 22:43:54 Just as I suspected 22:44:46 My Windows rarely crashes. It only does so when I use it. 22:45:00 Other than that, its great. :P 22:48:23 ha 22:48:24 zinnng 22:50:25 Just like everything else? ha, name me one Windows version that has issues. 22:50:27 uh... 22:50:32 every version since 95? 22:50:47 I don't think you got the memo joepie91. 22:50:47 22:46 < zxcvbnm> Mhm, times up 22:51:46 Everyone knows ME & Vista were the best OS since OpenBSD 23:02:00 *** lady-3jane has quit (Ping timeout) 23:03:21 ciao 23:03:24 *** zxcvbnm is now known as zxcvbnm-g0ne 23:14:52 *** anonO_o (anonO_o@anonO_o) has joined #crytocc 23:20:06 NT 23:20:59 4.0 23:27:16 *** zest has quit (Client exited) 23:31:54 NT 4.0 couldn't run half the games, same for a bunch of other applications 23:31:57 I'd call that a problem 23:32:21 sure, it was pretty good stability-wise 23:32:34 but if application support sucks... 23:51:34 *** lady-3jane (lady3jane@lady-3jane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc