00:12:40 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 00:19:45 http://tipforlinux.com/2013/jun/06/tech-python-sorting-lists-inside-of-lists/ 00:20:23 src http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.de/2013/06/python-sorting-lists-inside-of-lists.html 00:20:29 glad i found it 00:38:02 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-3B273C29.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 01:24:20 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:46:06 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 01:49:12 *** x (foobar@cryto-4ABAF172.as5577.net) has joined #crytocc 02:13:59 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 02:14:20 *** Rev (Rev@Rev.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:36:21 *** anonO_o has quit (Input/output error) 04:30:22 *** Ari has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:59:48 *** AnonForecast (AnonForeca@AnonForecast.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:04:54 *** MK_FG has quit (User quit: o//) 05:18:25 *** ilikeapricot (apricot@ilikeapricot.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:23:56 *** kvasir has quit (User quit: kvasir) 05:35:02 *** kvasir (kvasir@cryto-9B6B837F.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 05:52:11 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:55:45 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:05:54 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 06:36:22 *** kvasir has quit (User quit: kvasir) 06:39:22 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 06:49:12 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 07:05:33 *** ShadowDemon (alexgurrol@cryto-507D6D5.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 07:07:33 Question of the day: How do I raise 3 kids and maintain my sanity (or what I have left of it, anyway)? 07:08:30 *** ilikeapricot has quit (Ping timeout) 07:14:49 4chan 07:40:28 *** kvasir (kvasir@cryto-9B6B837F.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 07:56:53 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:57:20 *** kvasir has quit (User quit: kvasir) 07:57:50 good morning 07:58:29 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 08:04:17 *** foolex (foolex@AD356075.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:07:38 did you know about huawei? 08:17:02 *** BigAnon has quit (Ping timeout) 08:40:46 *** monod has quit (User quit: gottago) 08:53:44 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 08:54:22 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 09:33:28 *** HiveResearch has quit (User quit: ) 09:44:35 *** ShadowDemon has quit (User quit: Leaving.) 11:03:14 *** ShadowDemon (Alex@shadowdemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 11:03:51 Meow 11:14:02 *** MK_FG (MK_FG@MKFG-91968.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 11:14:33 hai 11:14:46 guess what! 11:15:11 http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/Jun/39 11:15:25 I have been reviewing ZPanel code and there is a serious remote 11:15:26 execution vulnerability in the "Protect Directory" module that allows 11:15:26 anyone with access to the page (Administrators, Resellers and Clients 11:15:26 by default) to execute arbitrary commands on the shell due to improper 11:15:26 (non-existent) escaping of user input. 11:21:31 cc zxcvbnm 11:21:35 and MK_FG 11:21:38 it's that time again! :D 11:36:40 hai joepie 11:38:14 hai 11:41:32 whats up 12:39:56 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 13:03:39 joepie91: I want to be raped by this IDE (lighttable) https://vimeo.com/40281991 13:03:58 I look at it and I'm having seizures 13:21:25 HiveResearch: that might be interesting 13:22:06 that would be even better if there were source 13:22:39 Will it be open source? 13:22:40 I'm a firm believer in open source software and open source technologies. I can guarantee you that Light Table will be built on top of the technologies that are freely available to us today. As such, I believe it only fair that the core of Light Table be open sourced once it is launched. At some level, this is an experiment in how open source and business can mix - it will be educational for us all. 13:22:40 What's a license then? 13:22:40 In order to download packaged distributions, you'll need a license. Preliminarily, we're thinking licenses will be based on a "pay what you can/what you believe it is worth" model for individuals. This gives everyone access to the tools to help shape our future, but also helps us stick around to continue making the platform awesome. We think what we build will be worth at least $50, and so that's what we've used for our rewards. 13:23:29 um 13:23:41 doesn't that make it redundant 13:23:58 to not give source 13:23:59 wtf 13:24:48 it's so fucking well done tho 13:24:51 dammit 13:25:13 no 13:25:17 read carefully :P 13:25:44 tl;dr "we will release source in some way, shape or form, but we also want to mess around with alternative business models like pay-what-you-want and we're really not quite sure how to combine these two yet, but we'll figure out a way" 13:26:01 gay 13:26:08 note that they talk about packaged versions needing a license 13:26:09 to download 13:26:11 keyword: packaged 13:26:15 source is not a packaged version :P 13:26:35 ya but does he even realize that 13:26:36 nah, not so gay 13:26:39 I think he does 13:26:45 I'm not very worried about this 13:26:56 it's about time people start experimenting a bit with other ways to do things 13:27:02 in particular re: open-source 13:27:13 experimenting is fine 13:27:14 I'm not going to call the devil on him when it's not even clear what their final model will be yet 13:27:40 i am a constant rewrite of things 13:27:46 *rewriter 13:27:52 i want sauce 13:28:23 * joepie91 points at all of the above 13:28:43 speaking of which i was thinking of creating a crypto wallet in node-webkit 13:29:01 except 13:29:09 Jewgle Assle 13:29:49 node-gecko where art thou 13:29:53 :/ 13:30:57 There's spidermonkey aka mozjs 13:31:31 yeah but node-webkit allows building apps using html and all that 13:32:03 Oh, hmm, it must be a cut-down chrome thing 13:35:44 Toolkits like gtk/qt and distros using them generally tried to get some integration and unified "native" looks for their apps... 13:36:09 node-webkit must be doing something interesting in that regard 13:36:38 Mozilla actually has XUL for making "desktop-native" interfaces 13:37:09 So yeah, might be cool to have node-gecko with support for that 13:37:29 Or maybe this "native looks" thing is overrated and screw it? 13:46:19 HiveResearch: meh, it has always been possible to use webkit-gtk 13:46:26 and build an application using webkit for rendering 13:46:34 hmm 13:46:41 Did have node bindings though? 13:46:46 Hotot does that, Hipchat for Linux (native) does something similar with webkit-qt 13:46:54 it's been around for a while 13:46:57 also, XUL is terrible 13:47:00 I tried to actually use it once 13:47:02 worst decision ever 13:47:19 shoddy documentation (which is odd, considering the normally good docs mozilla has on offer) 13:47:24 Meh, I didn't have much problems with it for simple plugin interfaces 13:47:26 missing functionality 13:47:27 etc 13:47:31 yes, but for stand-alone things I mean 13:47:44 something as trivial as having a tray icon, is literally impossible 13:47:54 It can be improved when that'll be a thing, if ever ;) 13:49:14 *** ShadowDemon has quit (User quit: Leaving.) 13:59:13 mozilla is working on servo to replace gecko 14:19:44 *** mama (anon@cryto-1088E1FE.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 14:24:40 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 14:51:04 I am a missing functionality 14:52:36 hey zxcvbnm 14:52:42 did you know: zpanel got sploited again 14:52:53 root escalation/login vuln for normal level users, this time 15:03:00 lol.. 15:03:08 i did not know that 15:03:48 and the dev response? I hope they've learned at least a little 15:05:46 Ok, yeah. good on motters 15:06:46 They're certainly approaching it with a better attitude 15:10:20 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 15:12:58 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 15:16:08 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 15:16:21 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 15:17:06 zxcvbnm : oh, there's a response now? 15:26:18 *** speakeasy (speakeasy@speakeasy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:33:29 joepie91: ya 15:33:49 joepie91: did ya already see it? I'd link you but I'm 20 minutes late :P 15:33:58 btw did you ever get around to reading 15:34:02 http://vanillaforums.org/discussion/23339/security-update-vanilla-2-0-18-8/p2 15:45:22 zxcvbnm: I saw the response on their own forums 15:45:25 improvement indeed 15:46:21 also lol @ vanilla 15:49:50 yeah.. :P 15:50:31 The 1 year lapse between security vulns being public & the patch is .. less than exciting 16:14:26 zxcvbnm: you up for a match of red eclipse? 16:14:47 joepie91: It refused to install on my Windows box, but I just set up a kali vm, so give me a few mins to see if it'll install on that 16:14:59 right :P 16:15:25 it's not easy being on windows.. :P 16:17:48 heh 16:19:23 hm, crap, I should probably update 16:19:25 to the newest versio 16:19:29 version * 16:19:41 let me fix that 16:20:32 I got an installer integrity error when I try to install.. redownloading the executable 16:20:46 whoa, wut, the suse repos are behind 16:20:47 ._. 16:20:49 that's a first 16:21:00 desura time 16:21:24 *** anonO_o (anonO_o@anonO_o) has joined #crytocc 16:21:36 hai 16:21:46 Ohhhhh now I remember 16:22:02 my content filtering system blocked the download halfway through because its an .exe and it doens't trust it or something 16:23:09 thats why I got an integrity issue.. the download never completed 16:24:01 * joepie91 downloading new redeclipse at 11MB/sec 16:24:04 zxcvbnm: mm 16:24:06 ... 16:24:11 want me to fetch it, and rename it? 16:24:25 ya, actually 16:24:42 where are you downloading it from that you're getting 11MB/s ? 16:24:56 I am on a business ethernet, should definitely have a faster download than you 16:25:09 business ISP* 16:25:14 from desura 16:25:18 also, I'm on 100mbit ftth 16:25:18 :P 16:25:48 oOoh 16:25:54 * zxcvbnm didn't know about desura 16:25:57 what does that make me ? 16:26:21 it's not terribly great 16:26:23 very memory hungry 16:26:27 then again 16:26:29 so is Steam 16:26:35 I'm not crazy about download managers either 16:26:48 I use steam sparingly 16:27:07 they're not just download managers :P 16:27:18 i know... my company does what steam does :P 16:27:38 lol 16:27:40 but, at the root of it... having to download a piece of software to download another file = download manager 16:28:00 so a game with DLC is a download manager? 16:28:04 :P 16:28:15 it certainly manages that DLC :P 16:29:18 lol 16:29:34 *** AppleJack has quit (Ping timeout) 16:36:58 *** AppleJack (sb@cryto-A18B0645.drama.tw) has joined #crytocc 16:38:57 joepie91: are you still pullin 11mb/s ? 16:39:30 brb 16:42:28 yes, I was 16:42:29 lol 16:50:23 lol 16:50:24 amateurs 16:50:28 I was sniping people for like 5 mins 16:50:32 before they figured out where I was 16:51:51 oho ya i'm gonna like this 16:53:15 my new download is halfway complete (proxying) 16:54:20 oh derp 16:54:23 I was goin to rename it 16:54:24 wasn't I 16:54:28 theoretically 16:54:33 derp 16:54:35 its cool tho, I'm halfway through this one 16:54:35 nbd 16:54:36 still want me to? 16:54:38 k :P 17:04:34 *** RebelCCCP (unknown@cryto-C4FAB549.balticom.lv) has joined #crytocc 17:04:51 zxcvbnm: done yet? :D 17:04:56 I has to go in a few mins 17:04:56 :( 17:05:01 hi all,) 17:05:05 will probably only be playing one more game 17:05:11 and then, off to barbecue! 17:05:28 hi RebelCCCP, welcome to #crytocc, please be sure to read the topic, and be aware that this channel is publicly logged 17:07:29 *** RebelCCCP has quit (User quit: ) 17:07:42 *** RebelCCCP (unknown@B752FC7E.78156562.5E70A2A8.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:15:29 god I hate playing with bots 17:25:12 joepie91: Oh, ya, it finished but I prob won't be able to play right now 17:25:45 we'll have to re-convene 17:25:45 *** RebelCCCP has quit (Ping timeout) 17:35:09 indeed :) 17:37:01 well that was an interesting game 17:54:51 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:00:24 brb joepie91 18:00:26 lates 18:05:29 *** wh1t3r4bb1t (antarctica@wh1t3r4bb1t.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:17:49 *** wh1t3r4bb1t has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:41:11 *** ShadowDemon (alexgurrol@shadowdemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:41:43 The Go programming language is quite sweet 18:42:19 It does everything I need with minimal code, no memory management, and drops cross-platform binaries 18:42:31 Wonderous, absolutely wonderous 18:44:04 drops cross-platform binaries? 18:44:32 They show up as statically-linked in ldd, but it doesn't seem to be the case 18:47:16 wrapper? 18:47:45 wrapper? 18:49:44 yeh, like a static linked binary that just loads the interpreter and starts parsing 18:50:19 or do you mean ldd is only showing native 18:50:32 No, it's not the case here, more like some bug in ldd 18:50:57 readelf shows that it's linked vs libc, libpthread and such 18:51:08 Just ldd being wrong, it seems 18:51:25 http://dpaste.com/1217680/plain/ <-- for go binary 18:51:27 o 18:52:32 You're quite right 18:52:57 So the question is, would it be able to interpret on a system that does not have Go installed? 18:53:19 Yep 18:53:36 Don't think go has any runtime libs as such 18:53:55 Sweet 18:55:07 What program gives the sort of detailed output in your dpaste? 18:55:19 readelf -a 18:56:34 Beautiful. Just beautiful. 18:58:05 run file on and see what arch(es) 18:58:20 There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't. 18:58:28 shouldnt that be 01 tho? 18:59:04 binary 00,01,10,11 is same as 1234? or 0123? 18:59:08 Hmm http://golang.org/doc/faq#Why_is_my_trivial_program_such_a_large_binary 18:59:31 Interesting that go docs state that 19:01:29 It might be 01 if you have little-endian *bit*-order ;) 19:02:19 Otherwise it should be 00=0, 01=1, 10=2 19:02:29 gotcha 19:07:04 *** sznortie has quit (User quit: Konversation terminated!) 19:08:38 I've never seen anyone fail binary before. 19:09:04 these must be the people who set TRUE=0 and FALSE=1 19:10:28 i thought 2 was true and 3 was false :( 19:14:15 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:14:21 *** coozie (coozie@coozie.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:16:37 hello GUIs 19:16:40 lawl 19:17:30 lol 19:17:59 anonO_o: I do agree. Binary is very straight forward, just like octal, hex, etc 19:18:42 octal still fucks with me 19:19:05 I had to learn those bases before I could join the programming class. 19:19:33 To make it easy as Pi, all you need to do with any numbering system is simply remember that what we is in our daily life is base 10, 0123456789. Everything else either truncates are adds to that initial set. 19:20:04 if (random() > 0.99) { true = 0; false = 1; } // have fun debugging that 19:20:07 But each digit is merely a representation of quantity. Quantity stays the same, while annotation in various bases changes. 19:20:48 MK_FG: Why???? 19:21:34 Btw, my statement about bases was to AnonForecast, not anonO_o 19:22:16 MK_FG: Why is my trivial program such a large binary??? Really?!? 19:22:48 These things are precisely the reason why I stick to C/C++, but I do get a lot of flak for it 19:22:58 golang runtime is statically linked 19:23:08 But not libc, apparently 19:23:45 I wonder why they can't put only relevant golang stuff there, but apparently it doesn't work that way 19:23:56 My guess is that it's golang vm code or something 19:24:20 *** Dakkin (Dakkin@cryto-1309AB55.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 19:24:29 Or something to smooth out the different platforms 19:24:49 I guess vm code would probably be most likely, though 19:25:15 Problem is I want to make a server application that will be on all platforms 19:26:02 So, between my need for SQL, JSON, and serving clients on multiple architectures and OS's, I figured Go would have its use. 19:32:17 idgi MK_FG 19:33:02 if a random number is greater than 0.99 then set that number to 0, otherwise set it to 1? 19:33:23 why would that need to be debugged? 19:34:09 All your if's will fail randomly in 1% of cases ;) 19:34:27 most numbers i roll will be set to 1 unless i roll a 0.99434 which will be set to 0 19:34:37 And you look at what fails, see obvious "if (true) {" and go "wtf!?" ;) 19:34:38 fail means set to 1? 19:34:48 You try to reproduce thing, it works fine 19:35:00 But somewhere, in production, it fails again and again ;) 19:35:05 maybe i dont know what syntax or debug means. 19:35:33 "C is a language that combines all the elegance and power of assembly language with all the readability and maintainability of assembly language." 19:35:45 so.. is it assemly language?? xD 19:36:12 lolwut? 19:36:30 stuxnet was written in assymablly language 19:37:04 can i get a copy of the 15k LOC stuxnet for historical value? http://www.ted.com/talks/ralph_langner_cracking_stuxnet_a_21st_century_cyberweapon.html 19:38:41 It's disassembly 19:39:05 Iirc from the assembly there, it was assumed to be c++ originally 19:39:22 idk. langer said it was assymbally 19:39:28 or looked like old assymbally line code 19:39:59 i cant seem to find a download copy of it tho 19:41:46 its funny how obama came out and admitted that he created it but wouldnt admit that it was trying to actually detonate the nuclear power plant 19:42:03 trys to say "oh no, were just trying to "slow it down" lol 19:42:15 cool story, brobama 19:44:33 Given "15k LOC" mention, maybe guy there said something like "15k lines of assembly code", which might be valid, but doesn't mean that it was originally written in that assembly ;) 19:45:37 OH MY 19:45:48 a ted talk - and I can't watch it because of debian 19:46:00 never heard of stuxnet before! 19:46:06 sounds exciting/interesting! 19:46:11 is it so? 19:46:59 (downloading the video...) 19:47:57 wtf u srs? 19:48:03 stuxnet was the 9/11 of cyber war 19:48:28 yeah I'm serious 19:48:35 I need to be FED 19:48:40 if it hadnt gotten caught and traced back to obama, the entire USAGOV wouldve use it to launch a full scale cyber war instead of all these incrimentally slow CISPA crap 19:48:42 with these things :D 19:48:55 oh 19:49:02 and.. 19:49:05 who discovered it? 19:49:12 why it got caught? 19:49:17 lotsof ppl but mr langer cracked it for TED 19:49:22 some nerd 19:49:26 from germany i think 19:49:28 video downloaded! 19:49:29 yeah 19:49:30 german 19:49:40 go TED nerds! ^_^ 19:51:40 is there a wikipedia of virus codes where ppl can download free copies? 19:51:49 hmm 19:51:57 viriipedia lulz 19:52:01 dunno 19:52:10 if you find it, tell me! 19:55:25 Heh, such wiki would make a good honeypot to catch virii authors 19:55:37 "My opinion is that the Mossad is involved, but that the leading force is not Israel. The leading force behind Stuxnet is the cyber superpower – there is only one; and that's the United States. 19:55:46 Who else would have original source, and not just some crappy disassembly? 19:56:36 ^^^ if that sentence is in the talk, I'd shut it off immediately ;) 19:56:40 *** Dakkin has quit (User quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 17.0.6/20130511085507]) 19:56:54 "cyber superpower", "leading", speculations... 19:57:02 no one has argued that 19:57:09 Anything cyber- aloud is crap enough 19:57:13 are you implying that china is on par with US? 19:57:19 or iran? 19:57:42 No, I'm implying that such dick-measuring contest doesn't even exists and makes no sense whatsoever 19:57:47 you would be the only info security specialist to indicate such. i have heard zero complaints about this statement. 19:57:54 actually it does 19:58:02 and that is why obama was FORCED to admit guilt 19:58:42 since there is only 1 cyber super power, it is not logically possible to blame stuxnet on anyone else, as the USAGOV tried to do nonstop from the start 19:59:19 so if we ever see a cyber nuke blowing up any building, who is the very first suspect? 19:59:25 Some stuxnet CNC servers were run by CIA iirc, and there were other traces in the code 19:59:26 the ONLY cyber-super power 19:59:39 So it has nothing to do with "cyber-" bullshit 19:59:59 this is a big deal bc it literally turns the internet into a nuclear weapon. 20:00:31 thankfully, TED helped prove that the USAGOV should be completely banned from the internet entirely as they cannot be trusted 20:02:00 uhh 20:02:20 should be completely banned from the internet? 20:02:31 COMPLETELY. basically usagov breaks every single thing it touches. internet, healthcare, education, everything really 20:02:39 I'm scratching my head at a couple things you're saying 20:02:52 " since there is only 1 cyber super power " 20:02:55 unless you want the internet to be turned into a nuclear weapon 20:03:39 Beyond the loftiness of the statement that the usagov should be "banned from the internet" 20:03:48 It is naive to suggest the usagov is to blame for everything. 20:03:55 just stuxnet is enough 20:04:12 and it is very naive to suggest the usagov is the "only super cyber power 20:04:12 obama admitted creating the first internet nuke. 20:04:22 that is enough to ban the usagov from every touching the intenret again 20:04:26 i didnt 20:04:35 youll have to compalin to the TED and the entire info sec feild 20:04:50 they're the only one that got caught writing a "internet nuke" 20:04:57 the smartest people in history have agreed w that statement, but ill tell them your opinion, differs, if you wish 20:05:04 no 20:05:06 well for starters -- I won't be complaining to anybody, specifically not ted 20:05:07 thats not what TED said 20:05:30 why would you suggest there is a 2nd cyber super power? 20:05:36 and 2ndly .. I'm in the infosec field in the us. So, as you and imagine, the perspective is a bit different here 20:05:38 and who would you suggest that it is? 20:05:53 well, please enlighten me then 20:06:29 Well, I don't want to make and sweeping statements, for starters. But resource wise, we don't have the numbers that a few other countries have when it comes to "cyber forces" 20:06:30 who exactly is this 2nd cyber-super power that would have tha cabability of turning the internet into a nuclear bomb? 20:06:44 numbers? 20:06:47 If I say China you'll probably say that's Cliche 20:06:59 you mean like china has billions of poor people and that makes them a cyber super power? 20:07:04 please do 20:07:09 but prove your statement 20:07:15 ok... standby 20:07:19 this should be good 20:08:16 with all fairness, if zxcvbnm does in fact prove that billions of poor chinese people do in fact constitute a 2nd cyber-super power than i will halt the presses and support legitimate 20:08:25 akcnolwedgement of it 20:08:38 You know, before I start citing anything, your attitude is making this less about an intellectual discussion and more about emotions 20:08:44 but 20:08:48 http://intelreport.mandiant.com/Mandiant_APT1_Report.pdf 20:08:50 facts first 20:08:56 propaganda second 20:08:57 http://www.kaspersky.com/about/news/virus/2013/Kaspersky_Lab_Identifies_Operation_Red_October_an_Advanced_Cyber_Espionage_Campaign_Targeting_Diplomatic_and_Government_Institutions_Worldwide 20:09:01 http://www.securelist.com/en/downloads/vlpdfs/winnti-more-than-just-a-game-130410.pdf 20:09:01 reading 20:09:18 I work with Red October 20:09:20 they are not chinese 20:09:29 ussc.OpLastResort.com was RO 20:10:12 these must be the people who set TRUE=0 and FALSE=1 20:10:15 FILENOTFOUND=3 20:10:16 the only evidence that even suggests china is a lack of chinese infections 20:10:17 Find me one paper where a Chinese anti-virus company has found evidence of US military forces hacking into private organizations in China for their intellectual property 20:10:20 bonus points for catching the reference 20:10:30 AnonForecast: Does it matter who did it? You asked for evidence of someone else being a cyber super power 20:10:37 yes 20:10:42 red october is not chinese 20:11:17 ShadowDemon: I have developed a hate against octal 20:11:25 for the crimes it has committed to me in PHP 20:11:33 It's quite worthless really 20:11:45 Find me one paper where a Chinese anti-virus company 20:11:51 hm, chinese antivirus companies exist? 20:11:59 haven't ever seen a single one 20:11:59 i know 20:12:01 i laughed too when I wrote it 20:12:18 AnonForecast: The US Cyber Command had 900 members as of January 28th, 2013. 20:12:31 so 20:12:36 I just got back from barbecue 20:12:41 red eclipse match? 20:12:49 joepie91, is there any other cyber-super power except for US? 20:13:07 AnonForecast: Hackforums 20:13:15 ;) 20:13:16 lolwut? 20:13:44 AnonForecast: APT1 (PLA unit 61398) current attack infrastructure has over 1,000 servers (conservative estimate), 130,000 personnel. That is one unit. 20:14:05 AnonForecast: US cyber command wants to expand to 5,000 this year 20:14:28 zxcvbnm, red eclipse? :( 20:14:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT1 20:14:33 the 1,000 # servers wasn't supposed to be impressive, btw, and I left out "attack infrastructure" to describe their servers 20:14:45 joepie91: I probably have 15 mins ya :D 20:14:49 AnonForecast: wiki? really? 20:14:53 ok so a thousand poor chinese people is USAGOVs #1 threat? 20:14:57 dude 20:14:59 can you read 20:15:00 130,000 ! 20:15:01 it cited same source you provided 20:15:03 fucking 20:15:04 a 20:15:17 can china even get outside of its own firewall? 20:15:26 id assume those 130k are used to suppress their own people 20:15:27 If it owns the firewall... 20:15:33 You're assuming wrong 20:15:35 you'r enot providing evidence 20:15:37 you asked me for some 20:15:44 so please, enlighten me 20:15:46 zxcvbnm 20:15:48 you could only provide 1 possible opinion 20:15:53 that is just an assumption 20:15:58 QSoft RE Server [Paradox] 20:16:04 is where I will be 20:16:08 23.16.x 20:16:29 k, AnonForecast .. sorry, I am extracting myself from this. Please bring me some reading, I love reading good details, research papers and other facts 20:16:32 not sweeping statements 20:16:38 also , i got called an APT 20:16:46 just so you know what the usagov considers a threat lol 20:16:56 and i am full blown fucking retarded 20:17:09 " AnonForecast: Hackforums" I wanna know what you mean with this work, hackforumz :D 20:17:18 *where* are they? 20:17:19 it was a joke 20:17:29 meaning hackers are the only real cyber-super power 20:17:44 hackers have power but they are not super 20:17:59 and they spend more time hacking each other than coordinated attacks ;p 20:18:10 yeah yeah, but somewhere.. 20:18:16 zxcvbnm: come! 20:18:18 .. in the vastness of space.. 20:18:19 w00t 20:18:21 i just beat you joepie91 20:18:21 lol 20:18:29 *** zest (zest@cryto-1309AB55.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 20:18:31 www.hackforums.net/‎ 20:18:41 lawl 20:19:17 btw zxcvbnm you get an A for effort. maybe youll have better luck with your CISPA propagandizing next time :) 20:19:33 protip - use more than 1 wikipedia citation. 20:24:04 joepie91, i need help finding a download copy of the actual stuxnet. and before you say google it, i have been for quite a while 20:27:55 ok i mightve found a copy that works - http://tuts4you.com/download.php?view.3011 20:29:36 ggs joepie91 , gotta go to a meeting :) 20:29:43 D: 20:29:44 fun game. exactly like old school unreal tournament, love it 20:29:48 neat! I have a nuclear cyber-bomb uploaded to my google drive! ^_^ 20:29:53 I'm like the only player now :( 20:29:57 and yes, it's a great game! 20:30:04 also, I'm getting pretty good at the sniper thing 20:30:04 heh 20:30:33 nice :) you like instagib mostly ? 20:30:47 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:30:49 Hai 20:31:29 MK_FG, you didn't like the ending of the video I suppose :/ 20:31:35 AnonForecast: I don't have a CISPA 20:31:36 Dear Paypal, you can kiss my ass. 20:31:42 "fortunately, the US are the only cyber superpower 20:31:43 " 20:31:44 Transaction amount: $258.00 USD 20:31:44 Buyer's email: a@fz.gs 20:31:44 Buyer's name: Denny Ng 20:31:44 Your transaction ID: 6RN50066UE095673H 20:31:44 Your buyer or your buyer’s bank requested a payment reversal for this transaction. As this payment was not covered under PayPal Seller Protection, it was deducted from your PayPal balance. 20:32:01 PayPal balance: -$218.30 USD 20:32:06 You can kindly kiss my ass :) 20:32:37 monod, I didn't watch it 20:32:53 wtf does that mean? 20:32:56 oh, I thought you did 20:33:28 joepie91, you play mtg or chess? 20:33:48 mtg? 20:33:55 wuttttt 20:34:02 what do you mean question mark? 20:34:09 you dont know mtg?!?!? 20:34:18 monod, I don't have issue with "who is superpower", just don't think people who make nonsense cyber- metaphors shouldn't be taken seriously ;) 20:34:33 TED is taken seriously by everyone 20:34:36 MK_FG: even if the US are not cyberpowers, I'm just worried they eavesdrop on everyone 20:34:40 Hahah 20:34:45 Like 20:34:46 AnonForecast, No, not really 20:34:47 Verizon, wtf 20:35:05 who is taken more seriously than TED? 20:35:24 iceTwy: Nothing new though.. we all know it is not just US 20:35:29 are we all going to pretend like TED isny over flowing with the smartest people in the world ? 20:36:00 Ah well, for a second there I though you were serious ;) 20:36:04 also, do not group me together with the usagov 20:36:47 MK_FG, thanks for explaining better your thought, because sometimes I struggle a bit understanding fast english conversations :D btw, I think I understood what you meant, but wasn't the speaker a really famous man behind cyber-security? 20:36:49 usagov = 545 political authorities and their employees. 9 judges, 1 pres, 100 senat, 435 reps 20:36:49 zxcvbnm: true, it was obvious they did that. But having it revealed is always a positive thing 20:36:57 iceTwy: agreed :) 20:37:15 zxcvbnm: Hopefully it's going to cause an outrage. 20:37:17 you can also see it in this way: 20:37:22 But it seems that people honestly don't give two fucks 20:37:35 reveal what most people already believes 20:37:39 iceTwy: Yeah.. I am interested to see what happens 20:37:39 yeah 20:37:47 that's right iceTwy 20:37:50 Because, it is naive to think they haven't been doing this for.. 10-20 years 20:37:52 The worst part isn't really that the US are spying 20:38:00 It's that people don't seem to react. 20:38:04 nope 20:38:18 Even when they've got both the data & an official confirmation (!) from the US gov 20:38:27 that they're being shamelessly spied on, under the curtain(s) 20:38:41 *** zest has quit (Ping timeout) 20:38:52 iceTwy, you have to keep in mind that if you want to control people, you have to put them against each other! 20:39:06 true 20:39:07 it is a dangerous thin line -- surveillance 20:39:10 from this perspective, people not reacting if okay 20:39:20 is* okay 20:39:29 *sigh* 20:39:32 iceTwy, Insanity, by defintion, is repeating something proven not to work or not proven to work. 20:39:33 contestation is beautiful 20:39:42 AnonForecast: Einstein pls 20:39:55 also, constituion CLEARLY states that usagov cannot search without warrant 20:40:12 the surveillence state is illegal 20:40:15 what are you talking about, AnonForecast ? 20:40:17 unconstitution* 20:40:20 mass surveillence 20:40:22 -al 20:40:31 PRISM, trapwire, stellar wind, etc etc 20:40:44 p.s. AnonForecast you finished reading ? 20:40:50 prism? 20:40:55 or were you just asking for evidence for appearances? 20:41:01 if I google those 3 names will I get some news? 20:41:09 i scanned all 3 docs 20:41:12 mhm. 20:41:14 if you google PRISM you'll get news, monod 20:41:14 zero mention of cyber super power 20:41:16 that's what I thought 20:41:19 Not interested in evidence.. 20:41:22 no 20:41:30 i asked you to prove that is a 2nd cyber super power 20:41:33 One of those was a 26 page paper 20:41:38 details are important my friend 20:41:39 you spammed me with non-answers 20:41:42 so you can form your own opinion 20:41:51 not a single word mentions any cyber super power 20:41:56 oh god 20:42:02 you have both failed to define the term and failed to prove it exists 20:42:03 the logical fallacy in that is great 20:42:10 no, it is not. 20:42:14 cyber super power is a fucking stupid combination of words, to begin with 20:42:16 i asked you a question, you failed to answer my question. 20:42:23 ah 20:42:26 so we get to the root of your problem 20:42:27 the obsession over "cyber warrior cyber this cyber that" 20:42:28 state actor 20:42:32 buzz words 20:42:32 you dont even know how to answer the question 20:42:39 and you tell ME not to CISPA propagandize you 20:42:42 DUDE 20:42:47 you want to argue that there is in fact a 2nd cyber super power yet you contradict yoruself by saying the term is useless 20:42:47 130,000 personnell vs 900 20:42:50 tell me who has more 20:43:08 you realie the entire usagov is only 545 ppl? 20:43:10 How do sheer numbers not compute? 20:43:18 you are stupid if you think numbers count 20:43:23 this isnt the civil war 20:43:26 we dont have muskets 20:43:28 stop being a faggot 20:43:34 good god 20:43:42 respect guys, respect for each other please.. 20:43:46 :D 20:43:57 Every single country has a cyber program, offensive and defensive 20:44:06 monod: here, you take "faggot" as an insult 20:44:12 1 pilot and 4 airmen nuked hiroshima and nagasaki. millions dead. numbers count for what again? 20:44:14 when it is a simple term to describe gay people 20:44:20 well if hes gonna act like one im gonna call him one 20:44:20 you racist! :D 20:44:23 ok im sorry 20:44:26 i shouldnt have called you a faggot. 20:44:32 that was rude 20:44:32 I don't care, this is the internet.. 20:44:39 It does impede discussion though 20:44:41 well joepie91 has rules. no drama 20:44:44 and i was being dramatic 20:44:46 iceTwy, I didn't know O_O I never, never, never had it explained :D 20:44:46 and im sorry 20:44:49 well its ok. thanks 20:44:59 monod: watch South Park! hahaha 20:45:04 hahaha 20:45:11 I love these series 20:45:15 but there is no reason to assume numbers define threat. 20:45:18 I've stopped watching it but ye 20:45:39 If you're looking for some official report of the existence of a second "Cyber Super Power".. I'll have to do some more research 20:46:05 in fact, the entire concept of 1% is that a very tiny "number" of people hold more power than the mass majorty, clearly disproving any allegation that numbers = power 20:46:09 AnonForecast: if you're going to talk about historic events with millions of dead, I think there's another POV that's barely been considered 20:46:29 i am refuting his claim that numbers = power 20:46:31 they do not. 20:46:35 AnonForecast: Yes, I agree with you on this. you can have super-empowered individuals. like julian assange 20:46:45 he was a movie maker 20:46:51 where an entire govt. and perhaps group of govts (EU) go after one individual 20:46:51 lawl 20:46:55 aussie hacker. "hey m8" 20:47:07 He was given data 20:47:08 aussie? 20:47:10 assaange is not super powered. 20:47:16 ok 20:47:19 ok........... 20:47:25 usagov shouldnt be terrorising ppl and kiilling reuters reporters? 20:47:27 stop doing that 20:47:33 thats stupid. stop it. 20:47:43 wait uhm 20:47:46 you shifted 20:47:55 assange made a movie 20:48:00 collarateral murder 20:48:03 right 20:48:07 based on a leak from manning 20:48:11 i know these things 20:48:17 usagov shouldnt ahve been killing ppl in first place 20:48:21 this does not make assagenge super powered 20:48:22 well yeah, i agree with you 20:48:24 for making a youtube video 20:48:30 i made a youtube video too 20:48:33 its just youtube 20:48:39 ok let me see if I can articulate my point to you 20:48:39 not supwer powers 20:48:45 with assange as the example 20:48:48 i wouldnt waste my energy if i were you 20:48:50 ok 20:48:52 its a failed assumption 20:48:59 assange is just an internerd 20:49:02 let him at least try 20:49:03 hes not super powered 20:49:13 or, zxcvbnm, just talk :D 20:49:22 he became a marytr when usagov attacked him 20:49:29 I'm surprised I've wasted this much time then.. I probably shouldn't have started. 20:49:39 usagov again is source of the problem. 20:49:40 I'm willing to listen if we want to have differeing view points 20:49:42 martyrs are dead. 20:49:49 assange is practically dead 20:49:54 hes locked up in a cage for life 20:49:57 but you probably think I'm some govt crony. I'm for peace dude.. i fucking hate war, I hate the murder of civilians in the name of "freedom" 20:50:02 he does look pretty harsh 20:50:13 but you're attaching this stigma to me as if I'm on one side or the other 20:50:13 assange is locked up where? 20:50:17 ecuadorian embassy 20:50:19 london 20:50:22 ya 20:50:24 he cant leave 20:50:27 he can't ever leave 20:50:31 basically 20:50:45 wow 20:50:46 badcops gon get him 20:51:00 wouldn't be surprised if they're poisoning the water into the embassy 20:51:02 I think that: "I don't care, this is the internet" shouldn't be applied to the allowing of lacking respect for others; instead, it should linked to the idea "you want to say something, but people like AnonForecast (just ane example :P don't get me wrong) don't want to hear you. But you can say it, for others to read eventually" 20:51:02 usagov killed that reporter, usagov shouldve manned up to the mistake 20:51:03 just to get him 20:51:27 manning was a consciencious objector, yet being tried as enemy spy even tho there is no enemy 20:51:35 assange just made a youtube video 20:51:37 blerp, back 20:51:49 blerp? xD 20:51:56 joepie91, i called zxcvbnm a faggot. then i appologised bc i shouldnt be dramatic. 20:52:05 just fyi 20:52:33 you dont know mtg?!?!? 20:52:33 monod: I agree -- in principle. I meant I don't care because I expect people to flame and hide behind anonymity 20:52:41 I might know it, just not by that abbrev 20:52:41 magic the gathering !!!! 20:52:45 zomgggg 20:52:50 the BEST gasme ever made ever 20:53:04 favorite game of MENSA 20:53:08 oh 20:53:08 well, that and chess 20:53:08 "I may or may not agree with what you're going to say, but I shall defend -to death- your right to say it." 20:53:09 nah 20:53:10 *** zest (zest@27C824CF.75E4C942.B5C2B35.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:53:11 not my kind of game 20:53:11 Voltaire. 20:53:20 monod: yes, blerp :P 20:53:23 monod: cheers to that 20:53:24 xD 20:53:35 sounds like a simpsons of futurama drink 20:53:38 also, monod, or anyone else for that matter 20:53:41 fancy a game of red eclipse? :D 20:53:41 Fresh Cold Blerp! 20:53:45 this server is pretty wild 20:53:46 what is that? 20:53:51 unreal tournament style shooter 20:53:55 link me 20:54:04 as in, if they slapped the unreal tournament logo on it I would believe it 20:54:04 can i trash talk xbox style? 20:54:11 nah 20:54:13 joepie91: I've played a few too many games today at work :P 20:54:17 also http://www.redeclipse.net/ 20:54:23 zxcvbnm: red eclipse or otherwise? :P 20:54:26 i wanna pretend to be a loud obnoxious 12 yr old :( 20:54:37 joepie91: mostly otherwise. that 10-15 mins of red eclipse was a splash 20:54:39 hehe 20:54:40 please do AnonForecast 20:54:48 * zxcvbnm is guilty of league of legends fanboyism 20:54:48 downloading 20:54:54 ive heard of that 20:54:57 zxcvbnm: :< 20:55:05 im a final fantasy and studio ghibli onry snob 20:55:19 don't hate me... I just have a video game syndrome. 20:55:21 "a Free, ***Casual*** Arena Shooter" ...lol? XD 20:55:26 i snub my nose at all other mmos, really homosexual like 20:55:27 * zxcvbnm must play video games aaahhh 20:55:30 iceTwy 20:55:32 you playing a game? :P 20:55:42 monod: casual as in unreal tournament style 20:55:45 not really esports 20:55:50 more arcade-ish 20:55:51 downloading 20:55:52 ok gotcha 20:55:56 let's see 20:56:00 I'm DLing something important 20:56:25 lately ive been playing fallouts, bioshocks, halflifes, dishonored, etc 20:56:27 joepie91 saw me capture some serious flags 20:56:36 * zxcvbnm thought dishonored sucked 20:56:38 lately, I've been playing MATLAB 20:56:39 :( 20:56:41 seems like the m agic combo is FPS+RPG+steampunk 20:56:41 lawl 20:57:01 ANYTHING that combines those 3 gets fanboys 20:57:18 lately ive been playing league of legend, guild wars2, little bit of worldofwarcraft (my buddy made me reactivate), and defiance 20:57:31 what is lol? 20:57:35 moba 20:57:37 like dota2 20:57:46 it is one of the more addicting games i've played 20:57:50 ive heard of it 20:58:06 some google employee made a youtube video calling kids oin the internet stupid 20:58:10 so i got all up in his face 20:58:22 casued a big hubbabalo apparently 20:58:45 kids on lol* i mean 21:00:24 Who speaks German hier? 21:00:42 iceTwy: I don't think anyone. i've asked this 21:00:42 ich liber dich 21:00:47 huhu! 21:00:48 das wilde lieben 21:00:49 Dayum. 21:01:00 NEIN! spetzel! 21:01:25 meine freundin ish aus Switzerland und meine deutsch ish nut gud 21:01:31 abba bald 21:01:44 I figured something out about germany 21:01:52 an epiphany you could say 21:02:08 AnonForecast: Estonia is a cyber superpower 21:02:21 gtfo 21:02:24 nope 21:02:25 i won't 21:02:26 youre banned from the internet. 21:02:29 GET OUT! 21:02:29 To discover the New Chat System, join the meeting in #ideas on today, Friday 7 June at 23:00 GMT, you may test it and ask your questions. You can reach #ideas at irc.cyberguerrilla.org; irc.cryto.net; irc.anonplusradio.com; irc.anonplus.com; Please read the goals of this project here http://www.freeanons.info/wiki/index.php?title=New_Chat_System_Project and if you are interested to help, pm... 21:02:31 ...for the devs pad 21:02:33 MAMA! 21:02:37 im pregnant and its yours 21:02:38 hello AnonForecast!!!!!!!!!! 21:03:04 AnonForecast: please join and invite some techs 21:03:22 i wish joepie91 will be there ;) 21:03:23 already did 21:03:24 This song's beautiful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYdAdqYdRWE 21:03:31 AnonForecast will you invite me? 21:03:31 joepie91 is the most busy human on earth 21:03:50 iceTwy: ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch, aber gar nicht enug (?) zum [create a sentence] 21:03:55 probably full of errors 21:03:59 but something along those lines 21:03:59 ok i got that game downladed 21:04:04 installing now. what room are you in? 21:04:04 lol 21:04:17 I suck at anything that is not English or Dutch for some reason 21:04:19 speaking it, that is 21:04:25 AnonForecast: currently, none 21:04:32 had to exit the game to get rid of a few notifications 21:04:36 will get back on in a bit 21:04:43 but first I'd like to know if anyone else here wants to play 21:04:43 :p 21:05:10 can we call ourselves a cool team nanme? 21:05:15 TeamAbyss! 21:05:21 noes 21:05:29 anyway 21:05:31 zxcvbnm: I invite you warmly ;) 21:05:32 who else wants to join in? 21:05:44 cmon, dont be fags 21:05:45 mama w00t 21:05:53 To discover the New Chat System, join the meeting in #ideas on today, Friday 7 June at 23:00 GMT, you may test it and ask your questions. You can reach #ideas at irc.cyberguerrilla.org; irc.cryto.net; irc.anonplusradio.com; irc.anonplus.com; Please read the goals of this project here http://www.freeanons.info/wiki/index.php?title=New_Chat_System_Project and if you are interested to help, pm... 21:05:54 ...for the devs pad 21:05:57 ^^ 21:05:57 real men play with each other 21:06:08 wait 21:06:15 there must be a better way to word that 21:06:22 joepie91: i want to join in but the w0rkz. wait didn't you just close the game lol 21:06:28 true, AnonForecast 21:06:32 yes, I'll start it in a moment 21:06:36 in fact 21:06:43 I might wait for others to DL 21:06:45 hang laundry in the meantime 21:06:47 then come back and play 21:06:48 :P 21:07:06 laundry doesn't do itself, sadly 21:07:24 mine does. it's terrific 21:07:40 * joepie91 can see the case for tumble drying 21:07:59 I don't like the way my clothes smell when I hang them up 21:11:18 ? 21:11:25 what does hanging them have to do with smell? 21:12:18 have you tumble dried your clothes before ? 21:12:30 joepie91, I will join another time :) thanks for invitation anyway 21:12:53 (in case you were waiting for me too!) 21:13:25 When my clothes hang-dry they sort of get a mildewy smell sometimes (not everytime) 21:13:47 zxcvbnm: my parents used to tumble dry 21:13:48 I hang them 21:13:59 I have never had a strange smell from my clothes after hanging them 21:14:20 actually, I have, but that was because of the laundry soap stuff I used 21:14:31 the one I use now (and most of the ones I've used) don't have that problem 21:15:09 * joepie91 is currently using washing powder for white laundry at high temperature, and liquid soap stuff for all the other laundry 21:16:20 Yeah 21:16:34 I just prefer the smell from dryers -- but I am sensitive to smells :P 21:19:22 well, so am I :P 21:19:35 actually, I'm kind of sensitive for anything around me 21:19:42 maybe the material is just better in NL 21:19:43 sound, vision, smell, etc 21:19:50 oh wait, US right? 21:20:01 that country where single-stitched clothes are considered normal, apparently? 21:20:02 yup 21:20:02 :| 21:20:08 wait 21:20:12 single stitched 21:20:13 .... 21:20:27 * zxcvbnm there's more than one stitching option? 21:20:35 * zxcvbnm looks down at his shirt 21:20:43 one moment. 21:20:45 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:20:50 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jakehimself/the-10-year-hoodie-built-for-life-backed-for-a-dec 21:20:53 well, they do live on $4 walmart shirts made in India 21:21:09 * zxcvbnm does not shop at walmart, in all fairness :) 21:21:16 look under 'theirs' 21:21:24 and under 'ours' 21:21:27 (in the stitching part) 21:21:44 what they try to market as "awesome, worth the money" for their 'product', is something that is bog standard in NL 21:21:52 as in, even the cheapest of the cheapest clothes have proper stitching 21:22:06 I've heard waaaaay too many USians confirm that the crappy single stitch thing is indeed common in the US 21:22:12 even for certain more expensive clothes 21:22:14 so, wtf 21:22:31 anonO_o: my shirts are 4-5 euro 21:22:34 from the discount store 21:22:36 typically 21:22:46 they're properly stitched, and of good material 21:23:01 not sure how $4 shirts would be an excuse 21:23:10 oh. that explains a lot :( 21:23:16 * zxcvbnm stops unraveling the string on his shirt 21:23:32 lol 21:23:49 but yeah, it would not surprise me if the material of clothes there is indeed worse 21:23:51 considering this 21:24:12 I went shopping the other day w/ my gf.. I spent way too much money 21:24:28 but I got good quality clothes -- I don't think any of them were single stitch, but I'm gonna definitely investigate now 21:25:45 (sighs) 21:25:48 lol... 21:25:48 You'll receive two sweatshirts that are GUARANTEED to last you 10 YEARS (that's more than most marriages)! 21:27:04 lol 21:27:26 my average clothes shopping trip costs me 20-30 euro 21:27:34 I buy cheapshit clothes, and they last me forever 21:27:43 I don't shop very often, which is good 21:27:54 4-5 euro for a short, 2 euro for 3 pairs of socks, 9 euro for a pair of pants 21:28:00 I can probably tell you how much I spent on clothes this whole year (and last year) 21:28:10 8-12 euro for a hoodie 21:28:11 etc 21:28:12 My problem is, I wouldn't even be able to ballpark how much money I've spent on booze 21:28:16 hm 21:28:21 maybe there's a bit of a problem there ;) 21:28:29 s/short/shirt/ 21:28:29 at least I address it... lol 21:28:29 derp 21:28:35 typo tiem! 21:28:55 * zxcvbnm needs to discipline his inner Rex 21:29:40 http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2013/01/15/how-do-i-get-over-my-bad-habit-of-procrastinating/ 21:29:46 I need to apply some of this logic to me 21:35:00 joepie91: will you join our meeting? did you read the pad? 21:35:11 I did not, actually 21:35:16 I kind of have a free friday evening 21:35:21 :P 21:35:26 do you want i pm it again? 21:35:36 I don't really want to get involved in a meeting right now, tbh 21:35:42 having that free friday for a reason... 21:35:50 need to get into a more productive rhythm 21:35:55 tonight is cool off night ;P 21:35:58 :P * 21:36:26 you know i like your comments, maybe not join the meeting, but put your remarks on the pad, fair enough? 21:40:59 does anybody have any good resources for unlocking iphones? 21:46:03 mama: later 21:47:02 AnonForecast: still there? 21:47:04 sure later haha ;) 21:47:54 im here 21:47:57 game installed 21:47:58 ready>? 21:48:08 yes 21:48:10 let me start the game 21:48:10 :) 21:48:29 * zxcvbnm grrr 21:48:41 lol 21:49:07 k 21:49:11 loading it 21:51:46 AnonForecast: what server do you want to play on? 21:52:29 hm 21:52:35 'Server 3' has quite a few players 21:52:39 ima join there 21:53:06 *** kvasir (kvasir@cryto-9B6B837F.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 21:53:46 *** zest has quit (Ping timeout) 21:53:50 *** ShadowDemon has quit (User quit: Leaving.) 21:53:51 *** ShadowDemon (alexgurrol@cryto-507D6D5.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 21:54:01 A new player has entered the game. 21:54:08 *BOOM* Headshot! You are dead. 21:54:16 Yeah, someone got me 21:54:24 or something 21:54:29 lol 21:54:59 lol 21:55:06 hmm, bomber ball... 21:55:12 I wonder what that is 21:55:19 OH 21:55:19 THAT IS AWESOME 21:55:26 oh wow 21:55:28 this is gonna be awesome 21:58:05 ok im in 21:58:21 omega team on biggest map, i think 6 ppl in it? 21:58:41 can we make this a semi official AnonNews sport? 21:59:22 server 3? 22:01:18 joepie91, i need tactical advise 22:01:35 try not getting shot 22:01:35 :P 22:02:32 is there anything that may notify when news on cryptome.org are up? 22:04:10 AnonForecast: double-tap your movement keys to dodge, that is how you win at this type of game 22:04:25 AnonForecast: get in the habit of double tapping left, double tapping right 22:04:40 AnonForecast: makes getting shot MUCH harder. if you bunny hop you are an easier target. 22:05:46 blah 22:05:51 ohai AnonForecast 22:05:53 I see you in my team 22:05:56 did we win? 22:06:02 i only got like 3 frags and 19 points :( 22:06:14 we lost 22:06:19 touble tapping? ok ty 22:06:27 vote 22:06:28 tap R/L, no hop 22:06:29 hit f3 22:06:30 and vote 22:06:31 for ghost 22:06:42 bla 22:06:43 fuu 22:06:48 lololol 22:07:33 D: 22:10:10 PEW PEW 22:10:13 TAKE THAT 22:10:20 tap sliding = win 22:10:23 whats best weapon? 22:11:47 AnonForecast 22:11:49 are you fucking psychic 22:11:51 how can you see where I am 22:11:52 lol 22:14:02 im PWN like trhat 22:14:03 zxcvbnm 22:14:07 yesh 22:14:08 can you stop teaching AnonForecast how to shoot me 22:14:09 thanks 22:14:13 woopsadaisy 22:14:27 im jsut using tab slide and shoow 22:14:29 shoot 22:15:39 * kvasir bobbles 22:16:30 *** speakeasy has quit (Ping timeout) 22:16:42 fuck who is max pain doom? 22:16:46 hes owning EVERYONE 22:16:47 ha! 22:16:48 nah 22:16:49 ail is 22:16:55 there's a game 22:16:59 both I guess 22:17:00 where? 22:17:00 can we bot spam that guy or something? 22:17:30 vote for what aghain? 22:17:45 ghost 22:18:16 what server are you guys on ? 22:18:18 o shit, slid of the side 22:18:20 server3 22:18:37 LANK 2 GAEM 22:20:26 D: 22:20:45 stop killing my sniper spots :( 22:20:51 THERE 22:21:07 r we play 3d or 2d gaem? 22:23:04 FUCK CLIFF 22:23:13 http://www.redeclipse.net/ 22:27:49 jesus 22:27:55 we were absolutely fucked 22:27:58 bahaha 22:28:01 12frag 49pt 22:28:15 Requesting tactical strategy advice 22:28:39 advice; don't get shot 22:28:40 :p 22:29:08 hahaha 22:32:42 time to reboot this mac because they're just like windows pc's, and seemingly need to be rebooted regularly :( 22:34:05 *** kvasir has quit (User quit: three sheets to the wind) 22:34:08 aw 22:39:08 62pts 14frags but im still lowest? 22:39:24 muhahaha 22:39:30 man 22:39:34 I wonder where all these players came from 22:39:35 heh 22:39:41 its prime playing time in US 22:39:44 we sudenly had like 5 new players 22:39:44 yes 22:39:45 i recruited them 22:39:46 but this is red eclipse 22:39:48 it's open source 22:39:51 this is rare 22:39:51 :P 22:39:55 I R LEGION! 22:39:56 even open source games have peak hours right? :P 22:40:01 not usually 22:40:09 pft 22:40:12 queued spawn 22:40:18 i am the trainwreck that you cannot take your eyes away from 22:40:30 Do not doubt my gravity 22:42:58 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 22:45:02 *** monod has quit (User quit: gotta goooooo) 22:47:06 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 22:50:26 84pt 17frag 22:50:32 I like this :D\ 22:50:32 how doppl fly and nuke? 22:50:52 you not gonna like it when i learn to fly and nuke 22:50:55 w00t 22:51:00 1st 22:51:15 I shall deliver Legion Incarnate upon thy soul! 22:51:19 are you doom? 22:51:23 fuck that guy! 22:56:35 I feel like I'm laggin veyr adly 22:56:37 badly * 22:57:30 god 22:57:34 this is near unplayable 22:57:37 my hardware can't andle this 22:57:37 :( 22:57:46 whathardware u have? 22:57:51 can u siwtch to wireframe mode? 22:58:01 or something lower lag? 22:58:09 I'm on lowest settings 22:58:15 this level is just very visually complex 22:58:59 ya 22:59:01 i dotn like it 23:00:01 ail plays like a bot 23:01:56 w00t 23:02:00 * zxcvbnm likey 23:02:23 ok folks 23:02:25 headin home 23:02:26 see ya'll 23:02:28 aww 23:02:31 ttyl :) 23:02:51 *** zxcvbnm has quit (User quit: leaving) 23:03:36 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 23:05:55 *** flate has quit (Client exited) 23:10:02 *** ShadowDemon (alexgurrol@shadowdemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:12:59 well that was amusing 23:12:59 :) 23:16:34 time for a shower! 23:18:02 i just finished my shower :P 23:24:14 indeed 23:24:30 joepie91, ever considered opening a Games channel on AnonNews? 23:38:19 sup joepie91 23:44:26 AnonForecast: nah, don't consider it relevant enough 23:44:28 pzuraq: hai! 23:44:36 you've missed a few rounds of red eclipse 23:44:36 :P 23:44:42 D: 23:44:47 oh wells 23:44:51 with zxcvbnm teacing AnonForecast how to shoot me 23:44:52 :( 23:45:54 *** zest (zest@cryto-84C88BCC.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 23:46:17 you should check out the site I'm working on 23:46:21 and tell me what you think 23:46:26 of the concept, and the design 23:46:26 www.swopp.it 23:47:56 search page, gray headers -> bad readability 23:48:18 ooh yeah 23:48:21 still working on that 23:48:22 also, not enough information on the site for me to judge whether good concept or not 23:48:22 :P 23:48:31 uh 23:48:33 it's not supposed to be all grey, the background will be white 23:48:35 when you click login 23:48:39 you get a hideous standard bootstrap modal 23:48:43 with a form 23:48:48 and there's white arrows overlaying it 23:48:52 lol 23:48:53 ah 23:49:00 fixing that too, right now 23:49:13 also, the inset shadow thing on the buttons seems a bit too heavy 23:49:23 it looks pretty nice other than that 23:49:34 bootstrap is not going to to be the final look of the site, btw, just using it for rapid prototyping 23:49:47 there's also no hand cursor when mousing over buttons in the menubar 23:49:47 right 23:49:52 are you aware of purecss btw? :P 23:49:55 http://purecss.io iirc 23:51:53 I've seen it before, I'm using bootstrap right now because of familiarity and support. Bootstrap modals and other plugins have ready-to-go Ember views, so it's a nice toolkit 23:52:06 Ember? 23:52:22 Ember.js, it's what we're building the site with currently 23:52:41 we might be switching to a pure Rails site since Ember doesn't seem to benefit us 23:53:02 mostly using it at this point because we need to get a basic version working for tomorrow and again, familiarity 23:53:06 meeting with VCs tomorrow 23:53:14 meh, VC 23:53:30 heh, I know you're opinion :P 23:53:35 your* 23:53:41 and I'm actually inclined to agree at this point 23:54:00 I don't want VC money when, currently, we are going to be providing what is essentially a free coordination service 23:54:05 no monetization plans 23:54:10 well, see, that's the problem 23:54:20 the only thing VCs like more than giving away money 23:54:21 is receiving money 23:54:28 so there's going to be an obvious problem there... 23:54:34 lol 23:54:58 yeah, but eventually we do want to monetize, if for no other reason than to start making enough revenue to run the site 23:55:09 so I could see them buying in at that point 23:55:29 but I'd like to test the market first and see if it can be successful without the need for VC money 23:55:53 eh.. 23:56:00 it might be me 23:56:05 but how much does a listing site cost to run? 23:57:35 not much. I figure we could subsist on shipping fees (we'd provide better deals via a bulk distributer and add a small fee on top for us, save the customer money and make us some too) 23:57:44 and escrow services for people trading valuable items 23:58:13 maybe promoted items as well 23:58:13 if it doesn't cost much to run... then why do you pose keeping it running as a challenge? :P 23:58:23 see, that's the thing 23:58:35 you don't seem to be thinking about _whether_ you need to 'monetize' (blurgh) it 23:58:38 but about _how_ 23:58:42 you skipped a step there 23:58:52 honestly, a listing site really isn't much more than a database with a basic frontend 23:59:07 that's a solved problem, and has been one for god knows how long, in terms of resources 23:59:33 hey, I'm not skipping their at all. I'd consider donations a potential avenue for "monetization" in that sense as well :P 23:59:44 depends on how big it gets, how many trades we are doing, etc