09:26:42 *** loggy (loggy@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:26:42 Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Online Flash IDE: http://wonderfl.net/about/ | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz 09:26:42 Users on #crytocc: loggy ShadowDemon iceTwy snowy foolex joepie91 Rabbit baliah aHlTat &MK_FG cr[a]tes lady-3jane YW crytocc-c truetravesty &ebola raymii waflel Ishaq IR601 @SpaghettiCode AppleJack Xeross|AFK vld twitchyliquid64 09:26:45 *** botpie91 (botpie91@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:46:21 *** Cryto559 (Cryto559@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 09:49:27 *** Cryto559 has quit (Ping timeout) 09:56:39 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 10:21:18 *** Xeross|AFK is now known as Xeross 10:22:39 *** scraepy (scraepy@scraepy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:23:43 *** scraepy has quit (Input/output error) 10:27:06 *** scraepy (scraepy@scraepy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:34:39 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 10:35:50 *** speakeasy (speakeasy@speakeasy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:45:35 freakin' ruby 10:45:36 *** scraepy has quit (Input/output error) 10:45:40 makes me wanna shoot myself 10:50:49 *** speakeasy has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 11:25:23 *** scraepy (scraepy@scraepy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 11:51:03 *** mama (anon@cryto-4E0C48D2.noisetor.net) has joined #crytocc 12:47:43 I have been working on getting this darn lighttpd to display run ruby on fastcgi 12:47:57 It has failed far too many times for my sanity to be maintained 12:58:03 *** baliah has quit (User quit: Konversation terminated!) 13:05:21 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@whyslapoption-19584.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:07:07 *** negison (negison@negison.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:20:11 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 13:24:01 *** foolex (foolex@AD356075.7DC890E0.CEC56216.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:39:48 *** d0wn_blog (d0wn_blog@cryto-112A9760.d0wn.biz) has joined #crytocc 14:07:07 *** crytoweb471 (crytoweb47@cryto-2B0F0567.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 14:07:39 *** crytoweb471 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 14:29:09 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:01:12 http://tracks.versidyne.com/ 15:01:35 Well, I got it ruby working with apache2 and proxied it through lighttpd 15:01:49 Such a sad workaround, but it works for the meantime, lol 15:05:34 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 15:09:09 *** AnonyOps (anonyops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 15:30:09 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 16:00:10 *** AnonyOps has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 16:03:54 Robert Clarke admits to hacking ramnode 16:03:56 -..- 16:09:48 STUPID SOLUS... 16:09:49 $db->query( 'SELECT * FROM clients WHERE username=\'' . $username . '\' AND password=\'' . $sha1password . '\'' ); 16:10:03 they don't even clean the variable!!! 16:14:37 it's Solus, of course they don't 16:18:36 .bing test 16:18:37 joepie91: http://www.test.com/ 16:18:40 .bin 16:18:41 er 16:18:42 .bing 16:18:43 AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/search.py", line 126, in bing) 16:19:54 *** lolpie91 (lolpie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:19:56 .bing 16:19:56 joepie91: .bing what? 16:19:56 AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/search.py", line 126, in bing) 16:20:03 good 16:20:04 *** lolpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:20:24 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 16:21:23 joepie91 should I release solusvm vuln's 16:21:30 like a few zero-day vuln's 16:21:50 crytocc-c: send them to solusvm 16:21:58 if no response within reasonable timeframe, publish 16:23:01 I have sent them to solus before 16:23:08 3 weeks ago I did, I got no response from them. 16:26:36 common, really solusvm... 16:26:54 trying to reverse the obfuscation 16:28:01 "$db->query( '' . 'SELECT company,emailaddress FROM clients WHERE clientid =\'' . $sdata['resellerid'] . '\'', true );" 16:28:05 ugh, just no. 16:30:06 brb 16:30:29 crytocc-c: if no response, then publish on full-disclosure 16:30:34 do not forget to include the disclosure timeline 16:32:02 *** botpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:32:08 *** botpie91 (botpie91@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:32:09 .bing 16:32:09 AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'startswith' (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/search.py", line 126, in bing) 16:32:12 hm 16:32:22 *** botpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:32:33 *** botpie91 (botpie91@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:32:34 .bing 16:32:34 joepie91: .bing what? 16:36:55 *** AnonForecast (AnonForeca@AnonForecast.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:41:12 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower 16:48:20 .bing joepie91 16:48:21 iceTwy: http://anonymousjoepie91.wordpress.com/ 16:48:29 there ya go joepie91 16:49:31 lol 16:49:37 .google joepie91 16:49:42 .g joepie91 16:49:43 joepie91: https://twitter.com/joepie91 16:49:53 .yahoo joepie91 16:51:12 but, crytocc-c: have you seen http://localhost.re/p/solusvm-11303-vulnerabilities? 16:58:00 .g lady-3jane 16:58:01 lady-3jane: https://twitter.com/lady3jane 16:58:07 ha ha ha 16:58:37 lady-3jane: what kind of a picture is that 16:58:40 on your twitter profile 16:58:41 ?! 16:58:45 .g iceTwy 16:58:46 iceTwy: http://icetwy.wordpress.com/author/icetwy/ 16:58:54 .bing iceTwy 16:58:55 iceTwy: http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/iceTwy/ 16:58:55 iceTwy:) it's not mine 16:59:03 oh is it not 16:59:19 iceTwy:) I only use this nick here :P 16:59:29 hah 16:59:34 you don't fancy self promotion do you 16:59:45 er, no 17:00:10 for some reason, if you dug a bit, I'm pretty sure you'd find my real name 17:00:13 on le interwebs 17:00:15 I got some head-twisted looks from the local occupy when I refused to put my name on the work I did 17:00:18 not that I give two fucks but yeah 17:00:24 or indeed, anyone's name other than the local occupy 17:00:36 oh 17:00:48 funny. the Occupy movement never grew in France. 17:01:00 lotta "why wouldn't you take credit for your work?" 17:01:13 lotta people who don't understand how collective work works 17:01:20 indeed 17:01:38 I had to give an extreme example, but it seemed to work 17:02:05 satisfy my curiosity and tell me the example you used 17:02:32 what happens if I'm hit by a bus tomorrow? 17:02:52 It would make my name irrelevant, but the contributions would not be 17:03:15 legacy needs no name 17:04:52 it's like... putting my name on it doesn't change what I did, or the people it may help. And those who worked with me on it will always remember, they don't need me to be identified. They remember what it felt like. 17:05:14 It's an extremely uncommon line of thinking 17:05:25 I would contest your view over one single point even though I mostly agree with it 17:05:52 say you're a scientist who's made previous research in a field; you use your previous research in new papers 17:06:18 if your previous research was wrong, then people who'd read the new papers would figure out that it would be mistaken 17:06:24 they* 17:06:50 rather than looking out for -why- and how those new papers were wrong 17:07:05 so, in a way, the source has a certain role 17:07:07 so you're pointing out a single example where attribution could be important, whereas in the context I'm presenting it, it is not 17:07:09 not crucial, definitely, but still 17:07:20 well I could present a bunch more examples 17:07:31 if I had time, but that I lack 17:07:38 none of which would be the context within which I presented my argument :) 17:07:55 * lady-3jane laughs 17:08:15 and really, I don't put my name on much anyway 17:08:24 even in scenarios where attribution /is/ important 17:08:52 true. staying anonymous is frankly enjoyable 17:08:58 call it... lasting side effects from my childhood, and leave it at that 17:09:58 I won't inquire about that, I suppose 17:10:00 and while I have reversed most of my imbued bad behavior, I don't find that one to be a behavior I particularly dislike, or that will disadvantage me in a significant way 17:10:40 But I also do not seek approval or support from others when doing something, so only my guages of success are important 17:11:49 oh, speaking of which, I have coffee to grab 17:13:17 you know what pisses me the fuck off? opera 15 isn't even going to be released for linux 17:13:24 lolopera 17:13:30 I want to fly to oslo and kill them all 17:13:34 except that's been done before 17:13:36 hey 17:13:36 >_> 17:13:38 you're not breivik 17:13:55 haha no, and they have a good reason for it too 17:13:56 also, opera would be great IF it had addons 17:14:04 I'm just pissed since opera 15 is so sexy on mac 17:14:24 I have a question that bugs me 17:14:28 cause it's pretty much chrome canary with a bunch of shit removed 17:14:35 I wonder whether Chromium tracks you just as much as Chrome 17:14:40 it does not 17:14:48 or, does Google implement the tracking stuff into Chrome rather than Chromium 17:14:52 ^ 17:14:55 cool 17:15:02 then I may use Chromium for a looooong time 17:15:07 you can strip even more shit out of chromium 17:15:10 so it's not track-free 17:15:17 yeah, I've already done that 17:15:19 but it's much much less than chrome 17:15:29 if you grab something like iron browser, you'd be gold 17:15:36 it's chromium minus shittons 17:15:38 I've used SRWare Iron 17:15:40 buuuuuut 17:15:41 yeah 17:15:44 it's not uptodate 17:15:45 like 17:15:47 nope 17:15:51 they lag 17:15:51 :) 17:15:52 whenever there is a release, I WANT a release 17:16:09 I don't, I want the release after 17:16:10 lol 17:16:19 probably some childhood causes to that haha 17:16:19 chrome 27's out? I'm lusting for 29 :D 17:16:26 lmao 17:16:29 use the nightly builds 17:16:33 mostly cause 28 is first to be blink 17:16:41 and 29 will have all those millions of lines of webkit rm'd 17:16:43 my Samsung Galaxy S2 runs on CM10.1 nightlies for example 17:16:47 oh will it? 17:16:54 28 probably already does 17:17:07 they cut webkit down from 15.8mloc to like 8.xmloc 17:17:29 got rid of all the build systems and cut out font rendering engines only apples use etc 17:17:36 big fuckin cleanse 17:17:39 that's 28 17:17:46 29 is the stuff that comes after :) 17:17:46 .g ShadowDemon 17:17:47 ShadowDemon: http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Shadow_Demon 17:17:52 .bing ShadowDemon 17:17:54 ShadowDemon: http://www.shadowdemoncoalition.com/ 17:17:57 .bing lady-3jane 17:17:58 lady-3jane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer 17:18:01 YES 17:18:07 BING, WITH THE ONLY CORRECT ANSWER 17:18:14 AHAHAHAHA 17:18:28 proof that it's for old people and idiots 17:18:29 <3 17:18:30 DO EXPLAIN? 17:18:36 sure 17:18:38 yeah, but I'm young. 17:18:39 :< 17:18:53 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessier-Ashpool#The_essay 17:19:02 ^ that's the essay my char wrote 17:19:38 it's a beautiful piece of writing, and NAILS what villa straylight feels like 17:20:00 I feel that my background music fits this essay perfectly 17:20:02 somehow 17:20:15 ambiant/atmospheric black metal from an utterly unknown band 17:20:22 gosh I love those unknown bands 17:20:59 mmm 17:21:09 yeah, <3 that book 17:21:16 need to finish the series 17:21:25 bbl all 17:21:28 sleep time 17:21:29 bai ShadowDemon 17:21:35 o/ 17:21:36 The Tessier-Ashpool family owns the mainframe to which one of their two artificial intelligences, Wintermute, is attached. As the computer hardware is located in Bern, Switzerland its resident AI thereby has limited Swiss citizenship "under their equivalent of the Act of '53". The other AI, Neuromancer, is housed within another family-owned mainframe located in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. 17:21:38 <3 17:21:49 *** ShadowDemon has quit (User quit: Leaving.) 17:22:09 If you've never whois'd me, that will make less sense than it should 17:22:18 ah 17:22:20 lemme do so 17:22:43 Lady 3Jane Marie-France Tessier-Ashpool 17:22:50 :) 17:22:57 couldn't have used a Frenchy-er character, could you 17:23:13 nope 17:23:18 :3 17:23:41 which reminds me, I need to learn italian and spanish 17:23:46 well, I live in Paris. feel free to come by anytime you want!m 17:23:51 kinda scared of the italian women 17:23:54 oh, woot 17:24:02 yeah someday I may visit 17:24:10 I'll probably work in .eu somewheres 17:24:28 aiming for UN work, but eu would be cool too 17:24:41 so you'd like to work for the UN? 17:24:44 yap 17:25:15 something .int 17:25:20 I don't wanna get stuck in american pols 17:25:31 derp, America 17:25:46 which is why I'm international studies + global affairs 17:25:56 I spent approx. 90 days in America, on both the East and West coasts 17:26:02 couple years I'll have a degree in each 17:26:04 don't get me wrong, it was cool. 17:26:14 but some American just seem to be... plain retarded. 17:26:19 yes 17:26:36 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:27:06 now I wasn't the only one to hold that opinion, amongst our family (of 4) 17:27:07 “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” 17:27:10 --asimov 17:27:22 thanks, you just summed it up 17:27:28 I know :) 17:27:29 :P 17:27:33 * lady-3jane is good at that 17:27:48 I... had a weird thing in class one time 17:27:58 we were doing basic "read this text and summarize to class" work 17:28:06 and nobody else could accurately summarize it 17:28:13 maybe I just got a derp group, but fuck 17:28:33 I can't synthetize things, unfortunately. 17:28:46 that's one of my defaults you'll find in both my written and oral works 17:28:53 or just verbal speech 17:29:51 * lady-3jane nods 17:29:57 even when I try to prepare something in my mind before actually speaking 17:30:18 one time, I wrote a little essay 17:30:30 one of the only things I'll give myself credit for is being unnaturally good at synthesizing knowledge and compressing it into vastly smaller spaces 17:30:34 it had to be 2.5k words, I went full-blown and wrote 7k 17:30:42 ah, you're lucky ;) 17:30:52 I'd have handed in the 7k one 17:30:53 lol 17:31:01 Either I'm tackling the subject or I'm not 17:31:01 lol 17:31:01 lol 17:31:06 teachers here set a max size 17:31:10 for essays etc 17:31:19 (most of them at least) 17:31:30 I was in a speech class, was supposed to give 6m speech 17:31:36 gave 11.5m, set the class record 17:31:47 I still wasn't done, they cut me off 17:31:49 lol 17:31:55 yeah, but you didn't lose track of what you wanted to say 17:31:59 all off a little notecard with a few bulletpoints 17:32:00 I actually do 17:32:00 nope 17:32:11 dunno how I could fix this really 17:32:15 When I'm focusing on something, I'm excruciatingly articulate 17:32:22 practice and study 17:32:29 practice yourself, study others who are good 17:32:42 recommendations in particular? 17:32:52 None, I've only learned from friends 17:33:18 which I guess now that I think about it, some of their names do carry weight 17:33:19 haha 17:33:27 * joepie91 has issues with talks 17:33:31 / speches 17:33:31 but I don't weight people on the weight their name has (for previous reasons) 17:33:33 speeches * 17:33:38 I much prefer a Q&A format 17:33:49 I' 17:33:50 ask me shit, I will answer and trail off to an entire story about it 17:34:00 I'll only do q+a if I've given a speech about it first 17:34:01 also makes for more interesting speeches 17:34:05 for me, it's basically 17:34:08 same if I'm proficient enough on a subject 17:34:17 "hi, I'm Sven, I'm doing X, it's this and this and that, ask me questions" 17:34:33 well, I wouldn't do a speech on a topic if I weren't proficient i it 17:34:34 in * 17:34:39 that said 17:34:40 well if I've given a speech on it... having done that tells me a lot of prerequisite actions have been made 17:34:47 I can only recall two non-school speeches I've done 17:34:53 one on Anonymous 17:35:01 and one on the Occupy movement and camp here 17:35:05 * lady-3jane nods 17:35:10 the former was in a squat, the latter was at a school 17:35:14 yeah, I talked at Occupy Paris as well 17:35:24 anonymous speech was a spoken timeline, with Q&A afterwards 17:35:33 nah, it wasn't Occupy Paris; protest against ACTA 17:35:36 occupy speech was an introduction, with 90% of the remaining time being Q&A 17:35:40 and we had to cut it off 17:35:40 a protest which you seem to oppose joepie91 17:35:42 I don't give speeches, usually people throw me up in front of a crowd and yell a subject at me while I walk to the podium 17:35:42 because the lesson ended 17:35:44 it's annoying as shit 17:35:50 iceTwy: mm? 17:35:52 http://youtu.be/hnMPQmIPibE 17:36:07 I have no issue doing speeches, as long as they can be largely Q&A format 17:36:07 :P 17:36:26 I'd rather answer questions about what people want to know, than fire a pile of info at them that they _don't_ want to know 17:36:27 joepie91: on your blog, you posted an article where you argued that protests against freedom-restricting Internet laws had no purpose 17:36:30 my french teacher threw me up in front of the class and goes "tell the class a little about your major" 17:36:30 or something along that line 17:36:33 iceTwy: correct 17:36:38 so I spoke for 10 minutes 17:36:39 but this has only become relevant after the first few protests 17:36:39 >_> 17:36:45 ah, yeah 17:36:54 context 17:36:57 pay attention to context 17:37:02 because I do believe that our protests alongside Jeremie Zimmerman helped push ACTA off the cliff 17:37:16 lady-3jane: in this case I had no time to read the full article 17:37:37 unless he included context, that's not what I mean 17:38:08 herp? 17:38:13 It was written or published while certain things were going on, and if you're trying to interpret a writing about an event so specific outside of the context within which it was written, you're a fool 17:38:26 :P 17:38:39 * lady-3jane is a giant pain in the ass 17:39:18 but you'd have to know the context first of all; when I clearly didn't 17:39:23 * iceTwy is a giant pain in the ass 17:39:24 :D 17:39:45 then you better get it :D 17:39:54 or you can't accurately analyze the piece 17:39:55 :) 17:40:13 oh god, that reminds me of the other problem 17:40:16 you want to have the final world 17:40:18 derp 17:40:20 word 17:40:22 HERP 17:40:26 fucking finals tomorrow 17:40:28 noooo 17:40:28 :< 17:40:30 derp harder 17:40:31 :D 17:40:49 but anyway, I see lots of people who assume I'm being fuzzy with my language and sorta nonspecific 17:41:01 but like, when I'm making an argument I write crunchy text :/ 17:41:13 crunch dat text 17:41:15 I'm like nonofuckyou, read it again 17:41:28 that reminds me someone 17:41:29 <3 crunch 17:41:33 whose name I shall not disclose 17:41:46 you could have just left it at "that reminds me someone" 17:41:51 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 17:41:52 :P 17:42:04 oh well 17:42:06 because now you have tempted all here to try and get the person's identity 17:42:06 :P 17:42:22 I've had coffee and I'm feeling niggly 17:42:23 :> 17:42:23 fuggedaboutit 17:42:36 I'm having finals tomorrow and I'm feeling stressed 17:42:36 derp 17:42:45 mmhmm 17:42:51 that's why I'm in liberal arts 17:42:55 it's impossible to be stressed 17:43:11 hmph 17:43:14 i'm in sciences 17:43:14 so 17:43:15 herp 17:43:44 because tests are mainlining coffee and writing really poignant essays that take exactly the opposite position of the normal one 17:44:06 pft 17:44:11 I was the only person in my class to argue that political science was not a science 17:44:14 made me laugh 17:44:21 so what did they say about it 17:44:32 everybody just follows what the teacher says 17:44:37 but she gives people "options" 17:44:42 so I took the other 17:45:01 hmm 17:45:13 it's actually a really solid argument to make 17:45:20 there's a lot to back it up 17:45:25 well, matter of fact; I have my hist-geo final tomorrow. 17:45:37 sounds easy 17:45:43 not with 45 chapters 17:45:54 my geography class had about that many 17:46:02 a shitty teacher throughout the year who teaches you, well, incorrect/inaccurate things 17:46:06 some 700 page behemoth 17:46:07 it was great 17:46:15 geography derp 17:46:19 history all the way 17:46:26 It was awesome, actually 17:46:39 presenting models for population growth and dispersal 17:46:58 modeling changes in populations as a result of the industrial revolution, etc 17:46:58 dispersial's simple 17:47:00 super fun 17:47:07 dispersal* 17:47:20 and all directly applicable to analyzing marketing campaigns 17:47:25 but we're focused on France, and, to another extent, the European Union 17:47:26 :> 17:47:32 yes 17:47:36 eurocentricity 17:47:50 oh you and your americanism 17:47:54 my geog teacher was indian, so we focused on asiaish 17:47:58 oh derp 17:48:05 :P 17:48:10 lot more people there, lot more to see 17:48:12 :P 17:48:16 my english teacher (she's retired at the end of this year! yeah) LOVED Indian stories 17:48:33 she loved 'em so much, that in EVERY English test this year, we had something about India 17:48:36 apparently I was the token athiest in the class 17:48:37 it was great 17:48:39 and if not, Bangladesh & co 17:48:57 she was like "how can you not believe in a God?" 17:49:07 *sigh* 17:49:16 "Because I've seen no conclusive proof that one, or many, exists" 17:49:20 have you read The God Delusion? 17:49:23 nope 17:49:27 dawkins, right? 17:49:28 haah 17:49:29 do 17:49:30 yeah 17:49:31 nope 17:49:36 will never read anything by him 17:49:46 y? 17:49:49 he's just the same as the other side 17:50:10 well, alright, he's butthurt 17:50:17 he's an asshole is what he is 17:50:24 hey 17:50:25 no 17:50:28 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:50:28