13:36:10 *** loggy (loggy@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:36:10 Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Online Flash IDE: http://wonderfl.net/about/ | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz 13:36:10 Users on #crytocc: loggy botpie91 &monod AnonO_o iceTwy d0wn_blog x foolex speakeasy MaryJane zxcvbnm rasputberri joepie91 screapy crates IR601 &ebola snowden aHlTat Ishaq YW truetravesty @SpaghettiCode raymii waflel connor &MK_FG ^Xires twitchyliquid64 13:36:17 hey there loggy 13:36:20 xD 13:47:20 *** MaryJane has quit (Ping timeout) 13:58:07 loggy, place? (where you've been these days) 13:58:15 loggy, pointer? 13:58:15 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-07-02#T13-58-15 13:58:16 :P 13:58:20 xD 13:58:25 also 13:58:27 scarily fast response 13:58:28 loggy, pointer? 13:58:28 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-07-02#T13-58-28 13:58:31 loggy, pointer? 13:58:31 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-07-02#T13-58-31 13:58:33 weird 13:59:04 and yes 13:59:08 we can get rid of [off] 13:59:09 tell me the truth: do you use a window manager alone, instead of a full featured desktop env? 13:59:52 so you're trying to build a new system from ground up? 14:00:23 now I start to see more about your lifestyle 14:00:42 stoling your words, you're getting rid of the system as much as you can 14:02:10 and where your wonderings have arrived? do you hold something like a list of things you've understood should exist in a new system? 14:04:54 @all: does anyone know of any homebanking program for linux that secures your local details with encryption? 14:05:18 *** MaryJane (MJ@MaryJane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:08:25 monod: I primarily just use suse + XFCE 14:08:25 :P 14:08:43 as for building a new system, yes, that _is_ what I am working on a lot 14:08:50 I don't have a complete list yet 14:08:56 but I'm writing blog articles describing it... slowly 14:09:10 I want to help, with ideas too 14:09:17 but 14:09:26 I need to be instructed 14:09:43 because/or: 14:10:26 nope, nevermind. I said "I need to be instructed" because I was thinking that atm I do not have any idea of how real things go 14:10:37 I might have already figure some of them out 14:10:43 that's what I wanted to say 14:10:56 but I was also thinking: what would I do if you wouldn't exist? 14:11:11 look for how things work. 14:11:16 I think 14:11:25 would you be here, though? :P 14:11:41 in crytocc? 14:11:45 on crytonet? 14:11:45 yes 14:11:47 hmm 14:11:53 (trick question!) 14:11:55 let me think 14:11:57 yep 14:12:22 you meant, if you wouldn't exist? 14:12:45 if you mean to say that this irc server wouldn't exist too, then the answer is banally 'no' xD 14:12:50 ^ 14:12:51 indeed 14:12:51 :P 14:12:55 hahahaha 14:12:56 also, I do have to get to work now 14:12:59 just kidding then XD 14:13:01 so we should continue this conversation later :) 14:13:06 of course! 14:13:16 sorry too 14:13:25 will be back in 7 hours or so 14:13:25 and* sorry 14:13:28 :P 14:13:29 haha ok 14:13:33 very precise 14:19:31 *** AnonO_o has quit (User quit: twitter: @anonO_o) 15:02:36 *** Anon0x31337x (Anon0x3133@cryto-82E17F4.sub-70-192-71.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 15:06:20 *** Kenical (Kenical@cryto-68EA4BED.catv02.itscom.jp) has joined #crytocc 15:15:29 chugachugachugachuga 15:18:54 *** kvasir (kvasir@cryto-7897B026.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 15:25:00 YEEES. 15:25:08 I got hardware acceleration to work on Chromium. 15:26:38 *** kvasir has quit (Ping timeout) 15:35:52 * zxcvbnm golf claps 15:38:15 * monod needs to look up "golf clapping". 15:45:07 find what you were lookin for mono? 15:48:07 the word on the dict? yes 17:27:51 *** AnonyOps (anonyops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 18:05:41 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-4BB8EE79.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 18:15:31 *** Anon0x31337x has quit (Ping timeout) 18:28:42 *** Anon0x31337x (Anon0x3133@cryto-A4D83134.sub-70-192-71.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 18:42:38 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 18:51:12 I'm taking a little rest 18:51:14 est 18:51:16 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-4BB8EE79.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 18:51:35 does someone know of any distributed or decentralized email provider? 18:51:43 provider* ? 18:51:46 damn 18:51:50 bugs 18:51:54 xchat........ 18:52:25 *** monod has quit (User quit: be back in a sec!!!) 18:52:51 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:53:10 let's try now! 18:53:14 apparentlly no bus 18:53:16 bugs* 18:54:01 *** Aero (Ari@cryto-8C6C68CF.acanac.net) has joined #crytocc 18:54:01 oh, such a stupid man - I'll just google it and tell you if it exist. 18:59:25 *afk* 19:12:15 *** Aero has quit (Ping timeout) 19:14:41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWSVOFUnfYY 19:15:01 ^^^ damn nice visualization of repository lifetime 19:17:04 *** Xeross (Xeross@F31F8942.7789B1E3.813EF599.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:23:32 *** MaryJane has quit (Ping timeout) 19:44:32 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03Envoy on branch 10feature/notifications: '02Some terminology docs' (https://github.com/KnightSwarm/Envoy/compare/379b53ac7f...64a559042f) 19:53:52 whoa, MK 19:54:17 read also, if anyone wants to contribute, learn h and cpp! :D 19:55:08 That'd be c++ 19:55:40 .h are just it's headers and cpp usually used as in "c preprocessor" (cpp binary) 19:56:22 (though maybe I'm missing a joke there) 19:58:14 MK_FG, no jokes :) oh, so that list is a list of file extension 19:58:23 NOW I see.. 19:58:30 so, cpp! 19:58:33 that is c++ 19:58:50 Yeah, also sometimes cxx 19:59:17 I have an unfinished book on C++... (sigh).. what's cxx? O_O (googling it as we speak) 19:59:19 Come to think of it, why don't people use straight-up .c++ extension? 19:59:34 .cxx extension, I mean 19:59:36 I think for the "special" character '+' 19:59:43 Mostly it's .cpp 19:59:58 Can't think why it'd be "special" 19:59:59 oh, I didn't know that c++ had both cpp and cxx 20:00:15 Unix filenames can have any char except for \0, iirc 20:00:49 And I'm fairly sure I saw + in filenames on windows... 20:00:50 you're right in that it's not so special.. hmm, the only other thing that comes to my mind is that you need to hold shift to type + on most keyboads :D 20:01:09 how much time has passed since your last time on windows? :) 20:01:20 Hah, as if it stops them from using _ in filenames!!! 20:01:27 xDD 20:01:40 lulz 20:01:50 I have a windows machine assembled on the desk right now, as a matter of fact 20:02:14 And I think I played on it less than a week ago... 20:02:32 oh okay then 20:02:41 (I'm not the only one xD) 20:04:01 Yeah, hard to imagine using it for anything else 20:04:24 I think I finally agree with that.. 20:04:49 the only thing that I see is the lack of incompatibility, in windows 20:05:08 incompatibility? 20:05:09 not true for windows 8 though 20:05:14 yeah 20:05:19 maybe uncompatilibity? 20:05:28 People complain that old games break there all the time 20:05:39 Like don't work on win7 and such 20:05:44 oh wow 20:06:00 I recall I have some behaving like that, actually 20:06:07 (never actually seen it myself though, but I probably don't play enough) 20:06:23 And with win7, some software breaks as well 20:06:28 hmm 20:06:52 it's an idea of robustness that I have, this is the fact 20:07:01 For instance, some unicode support in apps changed there 20:07:22 when I log into windows, I feel like the bottom panel is more solid 20:07:31 And a lot of software on parents' machine where I installed win7 after xp a while ago breaks horribly on cyrillic 20:07:40 oh 20:07:59 Not only it makes all text unreadable, but also can't open files if there's anything cyrillic in the path 20:08:14 bad o_O 20:08:20 not fixed yet?? 20:08:24 (there are some registry and control panel knobs for that, but they still don't fix everything) 20:09:08 And when I installed win7 for the first time, one of the first things I've reached for was Dokan SSHFS thing 20:09:22 And it didn't work there atm, new versions are ok though 20:09:39 fortunately 20:09:42 well 20:09:48 So dunno about that compatibility thing... ;) 20:10:07 I was thinking the same: where does my feel come from? XD 20:10:12 I have a possible answer also 20:10:15 I have so little exposure to windows, and yet it seem to break there all the time! ;) 20:10:30 hmm 20:11:08 yet that can be answered arguing that you don't use it so often so someone may say that you're not using it properly 20:11:20 bad english 20:11:27 don't know if it's understandable 20:11:38 It is 20:12:18 Yeah, maybe, but I bet 95% of windows users use it much less "properly" ;) 20:12:50 (at least from sample of all the people I know afk) 20:13:55 don't know 20:14:11 That might actually explain why they complain that even less stuff (e.g. old games) work for them 20:14:52 Though steam seem to be a godsent for those who use it in that regard 20:15:40 (thinking, I'm not dead) 20:16:05 Or... maybe not, I heard complaints on how they have crashes and bad multiplayer xp with fairly old steam games as well 20:16:24 (with civ5 and dow warhammers iirc) 20:17:42 I see that people who have trouble with windows are people who are not interested in 1) computers or 2) windows, like my brother e.g. 20:18:06 if he has a problem with its computer - windows all of his life almost - he does not have almost any clue on how to fix it 20:18:19 sometimes he gets some surfing the internet 20:18:30 Yeah, and you accuse *me* of not using it properly! ;) 20:18:38 which is what anyone does in order to fix anything at the moment 20:18:48 They break and torjan it horribly all teh time! 20:19:38 rather than *me* accusing you, I was saying that since you don't use it quite often, someone else may stand up and say that you're issues on windows are because you don't use it very often 20:20:03 looking up torjan... 20:20:10 trojan 20:20:24 ohoh, sorry xD 20:20:32 it's not easy to fix mistakes in english :) 20:20:33 It's my typo 20:20:43 yeah, I see what you mean 20:21:09 I use to anticipate excuses when it comes to english.... :D 20:21:23 And heh, I interpret saying "someone might accuse" in this context as less direct way of "accuse" 20:21:58 hmm, okay, but that's exactly what I was thinking: that someone may argue like that 20:22:17 I actually consciously try to avoid direct statements quite often 20:22:37 this kind of behavior has a name 20:22:52 yet I don't know how it's called :/ 20:23:05 Like, instead of saying "you are wrong, X is false", trying to say "I'd think that X might be not quite correct, at least in some cases" 20:23:27 you can try and tell me why is that, if you want :) 20:23:37 Easier to provoke more rational conversation instead of counter-attack that way ;) 20:24:24 is it a language problem then? 20:24:28 like: 20:24:31 Also leaving a lot of space for ambiguity, which is unfortunate, but I think no way around it in this case 20:24:34 finding a way that does not offend the other 20:24:47 And because of that, I think you might call it "trolling" in some cases ;) 20:24:52 hahaha 20:25:14 It certainly is one of the most powerful rhetoric methods 20:25:29 Never be clear, so opponent can never prove you being wrong 20:25:53 While you pick on every minor quirks in their arguments, ignoring the rest 20:26:13 it is also very, very much used inside university, this way of talking 20:26:17 speaking* 20:26:20 better. 20:26:36 I think it's also used a lot by brits ;) 20:26:44 britishes? 20:26:47 oooops 20:26:56 hmm 20:26:59 english men? :D 20:27:03 Yeah, people in the UK, at least stereotypical ones ;) 20:27:21 brits are said to have a *peculiar* sense of humour 20:28:06 Heh, same is often said about russians 20:28:17 oooh, that's cool 20:28:25 I love people with GREAT sense of humour 20:28:36 Like how they're all "grim and humorless russian-types" ;) 20:28:45 looking up grim... 20:28:56 oh yeah 20:29:09 oh wait 20:29:21 It's easily noticeable in comparison with americans actually, and it's a reverse-joke how US people "smile as idiots" ;) 20:29:32 *reverse-joke here how 20:29:48 Just cultural difference 20:30:02 HAHAHAHA 20:30:07 how US people "smile as idiots" ;) 20:30:10 xDDDDD 20:30:21 I picture russians and americans now 20:30:22 In US, reason for a smile is "being polite", here it's either something genuinely funny or "being an idiot" 20:30:23 hahaha 20:31:04 I now wonder why we don't have any asian guy here. 20:31:27 we would have had the possibility to ask him what it is like in his country 20:31:59 I think they don't join servers with less than 2^1024 available characters 20:32:51 oh 20:33:07 would you like to know what I've discovered during my psychological treatment? 20:33:14 (also, read on StackOverflow: Did you know that English is the only language where the name of the vowels are not identical to the sounds of the vowels?) 20:33:47 Hmm 20:33:55 It doesn't seem to be true 20:34:03 oh really? 20:34:07 For example, ё is a vowel here 20:34:18 Yet it's literally pronounced as "yo" 20:34:49 And there are special cases for vowel pronouncation in russian as well 20:35:00 oh yeah 20:35:02 like the o 20:35:07 (i.e. one sound in one word, different in another) 20:35:10 which can also be a 20:35:35 So dunno, I think that statement is just a bit of a stretch 20:35:48 just some random guy on SO then :) 20:36:02 notice the difference between :) and :-) 20:36:04 Most vowels here are much closer to their name than in english, that's definitely true 20:36:47 :-) is better for jokes :-) 20:36:58 it watches you, it sees ya 20:37:22 :) is just a smile 20:37:31 I think I see :-) in every ;) of yours :D 20:38:24 *** monod has quit (User quit: Quit) 20:38:52 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:38:59 failed to change font size on xchat xD 20:39:18 blargh, I have to stop over using "xD" 20:40:59 *** monod has quit (User quit: back in a sec) 20:42:21 I used to use just ")))" (in various quantities), no idea why mostly using ";)" now 20:42:41 looks like you guys have been chatting for a while! @ MK_FG & monod 20:42:52 gibber gibbber gibbber 20:43:06 I've just seen a documentary on the War on Drugs 20:43:10 just stumbled upon it on TV 20:43:19 I never thought I'd spend 1h30 watching a documentary 20:43:21 Oh, nice, who won? ;) 20:43:23 but I did 20:43:30 https://twitter.com/DrugWarMovie MK_FG 20:43:48 I imagine the answer is "weed won" ;) 20:44:13 Or maybe US penal system also being kinda clear victor there 20:44:40 * zxcvbnm grumble grumble private prisons grumble 20:46:09 the way they trace it back to historical roots 20:46:15 I mean, it = the War on Drugs 20:46:20 is simply impressing and deep 20:46:44 the carceral system in the US is full of vicious loops 20:46:52 never-ending vicious loops 20:47:32 *** d0wn_blog has quit (Ping timeout) 20:48:26 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:48:31 god 20:50:58 I failed at studying physics for tomorrow last physics test 20:51:17 I try and go patching this now 20:51:38 *** monod has quit (User quit: goes off) 20:54:05 iceTwy, You say "vicious", politicians say "free forced labor!" 20:54:23 MK_FG: aye, they do 21:15:40 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:17:39 joepie91, today I have to sleep as much as I can (and still I will not go to sleep early enough), could we continue our conversation from where it had to be interrupted, with the same fervor too? 21:18:38 gosh, I have to review my english a bit... 21:18:51 anyway, going now, I'll read logs 21:19:24 *** monod has quit (User quit: also good bye MK!) 21:31:16 *** d0wn_blog (d0wn_blog@cryto-AF3A0A88.serverloft.de) has joined #crytocc 21:44:32 *** mama (anon@cryto-B3488B81.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 21:48:20 *** ebola has quit (User quit: Leaving) 21:56:17 04joepie91 made 3 commit(s) to 03Envoy on branch 10feature/notifications: '02Fix mistake in event documentation', '02Fix event calls to pass on bare JID objects rather than unicode strings, keep track of mobile number in the UserCache, send SMS notifications when the user is idle, first (failing) attempt at sending e-mail notifications.', '02Update example configuration file' (https://github.com/KnightSwarm/Envoy/compare/64a5 22:32:04 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 23:10:00 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:17:32 *** MaryJane (MJ@MaryJane.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:17:40 *** iceTwy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:20:47 *** Anon0x31337x has quit (Ping timeout) 23:33:57 *** Anon0x31337x (Anon0x3133@cryto-FEB6C7B8.sub-70-192-73.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 23:34:30 *** speakeasy has quit (Ping timeout) 23:50:34 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error)