00:04:55 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 00:05:04 *** Mighty0wl (Mighty0wl@cryto-A22EFFA2.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 00:06:25 *** Mighty0wl has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 00:13:58 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 00:23:03 *** enyo (aHlTat@7AD5F1E5.C317B95D.8A7710C3.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:29:04 *** AnonO_o (AnonO_o@cryto-C763062.shulgin.dc1.nl.tor.exit.node.qwertyoruiop.com) has joined #crytocc 00:29:19 how long is nickserv gonna be dead... or is it dead dead 00:38:28 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@90EF98D8.9F32FB1E.57B9DF22.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:47:33 dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead 00:48:25 sad 00:48:42 i honestly have no idea 00:48:43 but lol 01:04:12 :( 01:13:27 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:51:26 *** AnonO_o has quit (User quit: twitter: @anonO_o) 02:29:50 ugh fuck 03:42:31 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:16:29 LoS :3 04:17:42 sleep time. 04:17:45 *** Ari has quit (User quit: gnight) 04:59:18 *** AnonyOps has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:07:21 heya x 05:07:26 you still around 05:07:34 I'm here 05:07:40 hai 05:07:43 he 05:07:47 hows it going 05:07:56 gewd here :3 05:07:59 you? 05:08:14 bored 05:08:20 annoyed 05:08:35 * x is playing wit packets n junk lol 05:08:42 annoyed by xz? 05:08:44 :p 05:11:33 lol no\ 05:11:38 i kinda made up with him 05:11:51 good 05:11:55 <33 05:13:53 he might be a douche 05:13:57 but hes my diuche 05:14:04 hes my sensie 05:14:21 he's cool, once you get past his goat thick skin :3 05:14:28 sensei 05:14:42 ive known him since i srtarted in anon 05:16:59 ^_^ 05:17:05 he good pplz <3 05:20:52 so whats up with you 05:27:15 not much, just lending a helping hand 05:27:17 <3 05:34:51 yeah 05:34:57 to who? 05:46:35 *** LastOneStanding has quit (User quit: you guys, I'm going home.) 05:48:11 first box is packed! 06:10:23 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 06:17:29 *** x (foobar@F41F7528.3BFC4759.D48B3C20.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:18:55 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 07:03:22 Changing address? 07:34:23 MK_FG:) yeah :) 08:05:05 *** pjtyler (pjtyler@cryto-A22EFFA2.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 08:06:26 *** pjtyler has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 09:17:41 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 09:35:33 *** mama (anon@cryto-B3488B81.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 10:14:51 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 10:15:08 Hola 10:15:37 Is anyone following the royal baby's birth atm? 10:31:37 iceTwy: whos that? 10:31:44 bleh 10:31:50 kate middleton & blahblah 10:31:51 also 10:31:55 in unrelated news 10:31:57 have a good laugh 10:32:01 http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/07/hack-exposes-e-mail-addresses-password-data-for-2-million-ubuntu-forum-users/ 10:42:22 *** DaSpirit (DaSpirit@cryto-27A17A57.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #crytocc 11:01:18 "passwords were cryptographically scrambled using the MD5" 11:01:44 It's amazing why everyone uses md5 despite constant stream of news like that 11:02:56 Penguin with ak47 logo there is awesome indeed 11:14:18 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 11:21:29 Why are hashes even relevant 11:21:35 nobody reuses their passwords, right? 11:22:30 lol 11:22:35 oh, lol, ryan_ 11:22:40 I'm tired of this 11:22:49 I'm writing a simple article about how to use GPG on Linux & Windows 11:22:50 Like 11:22:57 I'm writing this in the most simple manner I can 11:23:24 so that everyone no matter how experienced they are with a PC, can use GPG 11:38:42 *** mama (anon@cryto-A351D518.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 12:01:58 *** iceTwy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:11:45 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 12:16:30 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 12:36:14 I love writing articles 12:36:17 but it takes a while! 12:36:29 especially when you're looking at 4 different ways to do the same thing 13:46:21 first part posted > http://blog.icetwy.re/ 13:54:48 Do people really have things that important? 13:55:41 Hmm? 13:56:38 I don't see why you should use PGP unless you're a billionaire or work in the government :p 13:56:46 huh 13:57:03 Well that all depends on you really 13:57:16 For the sake of privacy/dignity I like to have my communications just 13:57:17 safe 13:57:34 I don't want them to be stored in NSA data centers 13:57:42 I don't necessarily have things to hide 13:57:48 You shouldn't be afraid of the NSA if you're not doing anything wrong. 13:57:59 That's what you think. 13:58:18 Do you really like having people reading your emails and all that stuff? 13:58:32 Let me check my email. 13:58:49 Nope, wouldn't mind. 13:59:08 And it's not like a person reads it. It's most likely a bot. 13:59:19 What? 13:59:20 No. 13:59:29 NSA have analysts reading your email when they're investigating you. 13:59:38 You think they have enough people to read EVERYONE's email? 13:59:46 They target some people obviously 13:59:55 But they do store all of your data 14:00:02 How fancy is that 14:00:35 It's fine. If I'm ever in trouble, they'll know for certain that I did nothing wrong. 14:01:59 I'm still surprised 14:02:06 You don't mind that all of your data is stored in data centers 14:02:22 And that analysts in those data centers can read up any of this data without a permission? 14:02:36 Your job, your bank account, your family, etc 14:03:22 I don't have a job, I don't get emails from my bank and I don't speak to my family online. 14:04:42 email is only one example 14:04:46 social networks are monitored lol 14:05:31 I don't mind. They'll have fun reading party invitations and smiley faces. 14:06:27 I like how joepie thinks. He believes in morals doing the work. 14:06:40 They can have access, but morals will stop them from reading my stuff. 14:06:46 Morals? 14:06:51 Yes. 14:06:51 No. 14:06:54 Why not? 14:07:02 Snowden's revealed that every analyst can read up on w/e they want 14:07:03 And they do 14:07:04 it 14:07:25 And what happens when they do? 14:07:26 That was in one of the revelations from Snowden/The Guardian 14:07:32 They find out everything about you. 14:07:58 Why would they want to find out everything about an average nobody? 14:08:42 because average nobodies are potential threats 14:08:47 i.e. Tsarnaev 14:08:51 completely normal teen 14:08:56 Who's that? 14:08:58 turned into a terrorist 14:09:13 The guy who bombed shit up at the Boston marathon 14:09:16 with his brother 14:09:45 He bombed some place though. 14:09:45 Average nobodies are what they /fear/ 14:09:49 Yeah. 14:09:52 But he was an average nobody 14:10:50 Hmm... 14:11:10 I dunno. I wouldn't feel safe knowing that they can't access my data. 14:11:16 They do stop actual threats, no? 14:11:24 well sometimes 14:11:27 not 100% of the time 14:11:30 for a simple reason: 14:11:37 when you're a terrorist you don't go on Internet and say like 14:11:41 "yeah I'm going to fuck shit up" 14:11:54 if NSA thought that a terrorist would do that 14:11:59 and started monitoring Internet because of that 14:12:00 I mean 14:12:04 that's utterly stupid 14:12:16 Well if you were mature, you wouldn't say anything of the like. 14:13:18 So be it 14:13:28 but you can't really expect Internet to be mature 14:13:30 can you 14:14:54 Depends where you go on the internet. 14:15:12 By the way, what is this IRC channel for? 14:15:24 Developing in general I believe 14:15:35 we also debate about some issues 14:15:41 e.g. privacy on Internet 14:15:41 etc 14:15:50 Debating seems to happen on all channels. 14:16:29 let's say we like to delve deep into those subjects 14:16:53 iceTwy, so what do you do? 14:18:29 what do you mean? 14:18:32 myself, or? 14:18:44 What do you develop? :p 14:18:50 Oh 14:19:02 quote from my site 14:19:03 "I like coding (hopefully) small useful softwares in my spare time" 14:19:09 https://github.com/iceTwy 14:19:21 I'm not a supra amazing proficient developer 14:19:46 It seems like everyone creates an IRC bot. 14:20:05 I just translated it 14:20:10 per request 14:48:48 *** Xeross (Xeross@F31F8942.7789B1E3.813EF599.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:52:10 *** AnonyOps (anonyops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 15:13:27 *** DaSpirit is now known as aeTwist 15:19:00 *** mama (anon@47649B90.8D44884B.9FBD6124.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:30:11 *** Xeross is now known as Xeross|AFK 15:37:14 ohai 15:38:14 You think they have enough people to read EVERYONE's email? 15:38:21 aeTwist: your assumption is that they need people 15:38:25 that is an incorrect assumption 15:38:43 I've said earlier that they use bots. 15:38:50 Which then would make it so that there is no problem at all. 15:39:05 aeTwist: do you understand the consequences of automated systems reading all your email? 15:39:23 it's not like those automated systems just "are" 15:39:25 they are made by people 15:39:27 people that can make mistakes 15:39:31 Yes, I'm aware. If they find keywords, they will most likely switch to a human reader. 15:39:33 even if you believe in the good faith of everyone 15:39:42 itt is perfectly possible for someone to write an automated system 15:39:46 that wrongly marks you as a suspect 15:39:51 because of a mistake they made 15:39:56 And that's why human intervention is the next step. 15:40:06 except human intervention will become less and less 15:40:19 as people rely on machines more 15:40:23 machines are cheaper and faster 15:40:38 that they can make mistakes and not recognize it, is considered "acceptable collateral damage" 15:40:43 But you cannot fully remove humans from the formula. 15:40:53 aeTwist: I don't see why not. 15:41:08 is it a good idea? no 15:41:08 We need jobs. And we don't have such an advanced AI yet. 15:41:12 can you do it? certainly 15:41:14 lol 15:41:16 twitchyliquid64 15:41:18 are you here? 15:41:22 We need jobs. And we don't have such an advanced AI yet. 15:41:24 ref ^ 15:41:38 and aeTwist, "we need jobs" is a non-argument 15:41:45 How so? 15:41:58 because profit maximization will rule over amount of jobs 15:42:04 and the jobs system doesn't work in the first place 15:42:07 we've also seen this with production 15:42:25 there's more and more machine work involved, even if it has environmental consequences 15:42:25 because cheaper 15:42:34 and even though it kills off jobs 15:42:54 companies don't choose their strategy to align with what is best for society 15:43:04 they choose their strategy to align with what is best for their bottom line 15:43:21 and increased automation is a significant factor in that 15:43:41 commercially, it makes perfect sense to try and remove every last human from the equation 15:43:44 because humans are expensive 15:43:53 as for the jobs system 15:44:02 there is not enough necessary work to satisfy the available manpower 15:44:08 that is why jobs are being "created" 15:44:21 in a supply-demand system, which is what manpower is, that means creating artificial demand 15:44:22 to avoid oversupply 15:44:29 Then what do you want us to do? 15:44:33 but since the economy is a zero-sum game, that won't work 15:44:37 You think that eventually no one will work? 15:44:57 aeTwist: first of all, accept (as society) that expecting everyone to work a full week is madness 15:45:00 and completely impossible 15:45:04 and contrary to what a healthy modern society needs 15:45:13 until that is understood by people, there is not going to be a solution 15:45:53 You're making the future look very dark. 15:45:57 Darker than it already is. 15:46:15 aeTwist: if nothing changes, the future _is_ going to be very dark 15:46:26 And what needs change? 15:46:27 absolutely 15:46:31 many things 15:46:33 the economical system 15:46:35 the work system 15:46:38 the educational system 15:46:41 the governmental system 15:46:50 those are the four essential 'pillars' of society that need change 15:46:52 and they are all related 15:46:55 How do we suddenly change everything without destroying everything else first? 15:47:00 you cannot change one of them without changing the other 3 15:47:08 destroying is not a solution 15:47:09 I'm aware. 15:47:14 destroying only causes a void, and the resulting panic 15:47:20 and people will not have time to think things through 15:47:29 and choose suboptimal 'solutions' just to have _something_ 15:47:39 sudden change is also not an option 15:47:48 because there is absolutely no way to convince everyone at the same time 15:47:50 :/ 15:47:51 given bias 15:47:57 and doing it by force would be defeating the point 15:48:05 We need better leaders. 15:48:06 the only remaining option being gradual change and understanding 15:48:14 why do you rely on 'leaders'? 15:48:20 can you not think about things for yourself? 15:48:24 do you not have a brain? 15:48:34 I can think of it, but I cannot make a change by myself. 15:48:43 and who do you think -can- make a change? 15:49:00 No one... 15:49:05 indeed 15:49:08 no one person can make a change 15:49:13 not even a 'leader' 15:49:20 there is no way to make a change unless understanding is created 15:49:24 that is a gradual process 15:49:24 You want the majority to rise up? 15:49:30 people have to understand how things work 15:49:31 why things work 15:49:33 why they don't 15:49:37 what the problems are 15:49:39 and how to solve them 15:49:45 every single person should have at least a basic understanding of thezse 15:49:47 these * 15:49:58 a 'majority rising up' just amounts to force 15:50:04 it's just a group of people exerting that force 15:50:07 rather than a single person 15:50:14 force is counterproductive 15:50:24 joepie91, you should write a book. 15:50:25 and probably not desirable 15:50:33 aeTwist: I am in the process of doing so... sort of 15:50:40 Haha. 15:50:46 not quite in book form 15:50:48 but certainly writing 15:50:54 actually my blog is a start on that 15:50:58 http://joepie91.wordpress.com/ 15:51:34 warning: large blobs of text 15:51:35 "Windows works fine" 15:51:37 lol 15:51:45 Linux works terribly based on my experience. 15:51:46 I recommend you grab some 15 minutes to read articles in silence 15:51:53 skimming over them will not work 15:52:08 I am skimming because I want to excersize in a few minutes. 15:52:15 aeTwist: then don't skim it at all 15:52:18 bookmark it 15:52:19 and return to read it later 15:52:26 when you do have time 15:52:28 Okay. 15:52:48 there is one article about unemployment that you'll probably find particularly interesting 15:52:50 joepie91, by the way, I googled your name and found this: http://anonymousjoepie91.wordpress.com/ 15:52:53 What is it? lol 15:53:00 a troll blog 15:53:11 a very good troll that decided to use wordpress to advance his trolling purposes 15:53:21 Does he dislike you? 15:54:06 unsure 15:54:21 Well, I'm impressed by your popularity. 15:54:37 * joepie91 refers to http://cryto.net/~joepie91, paragraph below the first list 15:55:50 Okay. Well, I'm going for now. See ya later. I'm going to hang out more often here. 15:55:52 *** aeTwist has quit (User quit: I have to go, bye!) 15:57:45 "Turkish security researcher claims to have found flaw in system, which has been offline since Thursday as company 'rebuilds and strengthens' security around databases" 15:58:06 why is it that the grammar in that sentence is reminiscient of the way most Turkish people speak in English (on the internet) 15:58:35 About dev.apple? 15:59:07 I guess, it's about Apple 15:59:09 http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/22/apple-developer-site-hacked 15:59:23 Yep 16:00:41 Funny story, I now have a gig in mobile gamedev (writing server for game, scaling it, monitoring, etc) and we had beta testing scheduled on today-tomorrow-etc... 16:00:55 And - bam - suddenly apple goes down ;) 16:01:12 heh 16:02:46 iPhone client guys have to reg testers' accounts there and that dev site doesn't work for 4 days now 16:03:19 (or do something like that, not sure how that weird testing works) 16:03:51 "testing, how does it work" 16:05:05 *** eggtimer (eggtimer@cryto-A6C557F0.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 16:06:27 *** eggtimer has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 16:07:25 *** AnonyOps has quit (Ping timeout) 16:08:21 It's been planned as 1 fixed hour for 3 days, and there should be significant amount of testers in that hour, so not sure if it's some company doing the testing or some apple-provided and paid group of ppl 16:08:42 Unlkely to be random contractors, hired individually 16:09:42 ... how does my mother manage to e-mail me the moment I walk into my room 16:11:44 Coincidences all around 16:13:43 http://bpaste.net/raw/116346/ - russian great firewall - we block wordpress.com, but not all IPs (for $reasons?) ;) 16:14:41 o boy 16:14:46 :P 16:15:02 you're leaking! 16:15:16 where? oh god get it off get it off! 16:15:18 * zxcvbnm scrambles 16:15:24 ...leaking your shit all over teh internets 16:16:51 zxcvbnm: it was an [off]-leak 16:22:27 joepie91: I know, I will strive to be better 16:22:41 :P 16:24:55 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 16:25:32 oh eh 16:25:35 while we're talking about email 16:25:47 i'm writing a PGP guide for dummies 16:25:59 I've stopped cause i can't focus 16:26:07 sweating too much to work 16:34:10 hi 16:37:30 herro 16:38:30 04FichteFoll made 1 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Rename "Eggplant Parm Color Scheme" to "Color Scheme - Eggplant Parm"Closes #1369' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/5c7def4490...83646e95be) 16:43:20 jesus christ 16:43:28 was reading a Dutch article on a fight at a swimming pool 16:43:35 and made the mistake of scrolling towards the comments 16:43:41 it's like I'm reading fucking stormfront 16:43:55 never before have I seen so much racism in the comments section of a _news_ site 16:44:06 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Added https://github.com/afterdesign/jshintify to plugins list', '02Merge pull request #1543 from afterdesign/masterAdded https://github.com/afterdesign/jshintify to plugins list' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/83646e95be...52531de64a) 16:46:38 04FichteFoll made 1 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Move egg entry to "renamed_packages"Really closes #1369.' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/52531de64a...df17ea097c) 16:50:14 http://totallycoolpix.com/2013/03/tropicana-an-abandoned-tropical-indoor-swimming-pool/ 16:50:15 sadface 16:52:25 ... 16:52:43 De gebruikersnaam is de geboortedatum van de leerling, ddmmjjjj met, in hoofdletters 3 1e letters van de achternaam + 3 1e letters van de voornaam. ( alleen de eerste van de voornaam in hoofdletters ) Het wachtwoord is de achternaam in hoofdletters. 16:52:50 this is from the site of a Dutch swimming pool 16:52:51 let me translate 16:53:54 "The username is the birth date of the pupil, ddmmyyyy, followed by the first 3 letters of the last name capitalized, followed by the first 3 letters of the first name with the first character capitalized. The password is the last name capitalized." 16:53:57 because that isn't insecure or anything 16:54:10 lol 16:54:16 where are you getting that from 16:54:20 http://www.destok.nl/ 16:54:22 local school? 16:54:23 left sidebar 16:54:25 no 16:54:28 swimming pool 16:54:30 for swimming lessons 16:54:35 so you can "track progress" 16:54:44 this just screams security through obscurity 16:54:48 except they fail at even that 16:54:56 security through insecurity ? 16:54:56 :P 16:55:04 that's what it effectively comes down to, yes 16:55:25 p.s. that abandoned tropical indoor swimming pool is pretty cool 16:56:07 it was cooler when it was open 16:56:16 their wild water slide was fucking awesome! 16:56:40 yeah, I imagine it was cool. Although, the dystopic/apocalyptic feel from those pictures is cool too 16:57:20 agh boxes boxes everywhere boxes 16:57:45 zxcvbnm: meh 16:57:50 they are pretty poor pics ttbh 16:57:51 tbh * 16:57:56 could've been so much better 16:59:18 well, I can imagine a sweet zombie fight in there 17:01:04 lol 17:01:11 moving is more like actually cleaning my room 17:22:35 brb shower 17:28:11 oh, of course 17:28:14 it's 35 degrees celsius 17:28:17 trains break 17:28:28 train company offers people compensation in the form of free... coffee and tea. 17:28:58 because that's exactly what you need then! more hot drinks! 17:29:09 herp derp. 17:29:17 Hahah 17:29:48 Why do trains break in 35C though? 17:30:18 Or you mean they break in general, unrelated to heat? 17:30:57 MK_FG: combination of a snapped cable, and heat-related issues 17:31:02 the signalling breaks here when it's either cold or hott 17:31:05 hot * 17:36:40 hmm 17:36:45 twitter reset my password for me 17:37:03 so... why do they think my account was breached 17:38:34 Twitter believes that your account may have been compromised by a website or service not associated with Twitter. We've reset your password to prevent others from accessing your account. 17:39:38 why the fuck would you try to compromise my account, I have enough third party services hooked in to power a small african nation 17:40:30 joepie91:) maybe it's the feds trying to see if we were dming sexy pics to eachother 17:41:00 ha 17:41:16 I really have no doubt I'm on somebody's list 17:41:31 but why twitter :| 17:44:39 im back 17:45:13 34 apps, nice! 17:50:59 *** DaSpirit (DaSpirit@cryto-27A17A57.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #crytocc 17:51:24 Is it worth it to optimize for minimal memory usage these days? 17:51:56 hiya 17:52:05 Hi. 17:55:59 Depends on how much you're expecting to use 17:56:45 hey i need help from a dev 17:56:55 Imagine a tree view with items. What if I use an extra byte for each item? Trees can get large. 17:57:07 DaSpirit: what are you working on? 17:57:08 Well, not an extra byte, more an extra pointer. 17:57:21 joepie91, i need you 17:57:21