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10:00:14 you well? is all fine? you got your pc back? 10:00:15 * joepie91 points at topic 10:00:20 not yet, no 10:00:34 and I'm currently not terribly great due to a combination of circumstances 10:00:36 * swordy <- not violating topic, just sayin 10:01:50 okay, maybe its cause you host smthng for anonnews, isnt? 10:01:57 no 10:02:36 joepie91: they said it earlier 10:02:57 write a blog post about it, its for the people behind you 10:03:02 iceTwy: ? 10:03:03 oh 10:03:05 the md5 thing? 10:03:08 yeah 10:03:13 Ars Technica post I believe 10:03:14 weren't they using vBulletin or some shit 10:03:25 http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/07/hack-exposes-e-mail-addresses-password-data-for-2-million-ubuntu-forum-users/ 10:03:27 yes they were 10:03:28 lol 10:03:33 in the newspaper i read that some russian guy came free for writing his blog... etcetera 10:03:36 2 million users and vBulletin 10:03:36 then it's standard shitty vBulletin pw hashing 10:03:37 seriously 10:03:44 how irresponsible is that 10:04:02 if they did get hacked through a SQLi 10:04:03 iceTwy; not quite sure what usercount and 'vBulletin' have to do with each other...? 10:04:11 no 10:04:14 the encryption, that is 10:04:27 I don't think you have a choice 10:04:27 oh did I say vBulletin 10:04:30 when using vBulletin 10:04:36 you should :| 10:05:11 yet every time I point out how vBulletin, IPB, etc. are terrible 10:05:15 people start bitching at me 10:06:06 I think that Ars has become my favorite news source 10:06:07 really 10:09:33 http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/07/vibers-online-help-desk-sacked-by-pro-syrian-hackers/ 10:09:36 this is curious 10:09:48 "We weren't able to hack all Viber systems, but most of it is designed for spying and tracking," the SEA wrote of the Israel-based company on its support.viber.com subdomain. 10:10:09 this is a conclusion I'd come to from cursory research on them already.... but I didn't expect something like the SEA to use it as an argument 10:11:57 Viber... 10:12:05 isn't it this IM phone app? 10:12:07 (context: Viber is from the same guys that publish all the fake-P2P-application malware bundles, TorchBrowser, iLivid, and so on... iMesh/Bandoo/Discordia basically) 10:12:09 yes 10:12:35 search around a bit for Bandoo Media, Discordia Ltd. and iMesh 10:12:41 and you'll find plenty of dirt 10:13:00 they're not very good at covering their tracks, not even with the good amount of shell companies they've set up 10:13:18 duh 10:13:21 k5day old news... but for completing my thoughts of navalny http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/07/alexey-navalny-a-free-man-in-russia.html 10:13:25 iceTwy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareaza#Domain_takeover 10:13:27 though Viber's pretty popular I hear 10:13:29 also Bandoo/iMesh 10:14:17 yes, Viber is pretty popular 10:14:19 that's part of the problem 10:15:06 they also own iLivid, Torch Browser, FixBee, and closely related to Babylon (that translation software) 10:15:21 and like 10-20 other pieces of software 10:15:28 "Viber Media is a Cypriot-based company[1] with development centers in Belarus[2] and Israel.[3] The company was founded by the American-Israeli entrepreneur Talmon Marco, co-founder and former president of the P2P media and file-sharing client iMesh.[4]" 10:15:34 200 million people use Viber 10:15:35 ... 10:15:39 they also ship fake clients pretending to be Shareaza, iMesh, or Lphant 10:15:45 bundled with malware 10:15:53 yeah, they're not Cypriot 10:15:55 that's just a shell company 10:15:59 they're Israelian 10:16:16 they have a bunch of Cypriot shells, also one in Panama i think 10:16:17 I* 10:16:19 and one in the US 10:16:23 (from memory) 10:17:31 tsst 10:43:42 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Adds repository to helper plugin for CanISwitchToSublimeText3.com', '02Woops... Better not break the json', '02Merge pull request #1553 from SublimeGit/masterAdds repository to helper plugin for CanISwitchToSublimeText3.com' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/48ebac75f8...ecd6d91735) 10:55:14 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 10:56:06 *** mama (anon@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 10:57:37 wtf thumbnails? 10:57:42 they're taking like, 700Mb on my SDD 11:30:34 also 11:30:41 is shred useless on ext4 filesystems? 11:31:11 since it's a journaling file system either way 12:14:09 *** swordy has quit (Client exited) 12:19:05 *** MK_FG has quit (Ping timeout) 12:25:00 *** MK_FG (MK_FG@D8F8B70C.2AA32F40.3B131C16.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:42:49 *** monod (G@cryto-A0B5CF6C.dei.unipd.it) has joined #crytocc 12:43:16 don't know WHY, but it's possible to use IRC with Konversation, from where I am now. 12:43:22 hello everybodiez 12:47:27 iceTwy, Why should journaling make shred useless? 12:47:47 Copy-on-write (e.g. btrfs, zfs) should, but why journal? 13:03:15 this: http://hackingteam.it/ and this: http://hackingteam.it/index.php/remote-control-system 13:12:18 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Update repositories.json', '02Merge pull request #1555 from webArtisan/master[lessTabs] new package : Update repositories.json' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/ecd6d91735...de1d21ccf3) 13:12:19 can I denounce these guys? ^ 13:13:10 I mean: of course I can do it, but.. is it going to be taken into consideration by law enforcers? 13:13:19 or advocates. 13:13:48 if I go offline, answer it anyway, I'll read logs lates 13:13:51 later* 13:26:34 do you imagine publishing an MD5 hash list claiming it has been leaked from somewhere secret and challenging crackers team around the globe to crack it? While the hash list has been generated with words purposedly 1) not present in dictionaries and 2) not reached by "common" "scrambling" rules, like base64.rule and others... xD 13:26:44 biggest troll ever for crackers xD 13:28:10 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 13:28:51 *** mama (anon@cryto-BD1C62A5.privacyfoundation.ch) has joined #crytocc 13:29:39 buuzy men 13:34:37 I imagine such deliberately-constructed lists should be easy to detect by the fact that md5-hashed word "password" doesn't work for some 30% of accounts ;) 13:34:56 Everyun knows that's THE password ;) 13:39:06 I think the real deception is when you feel you NEED those services that ask you for a password to provide you with a personal account. That's the only time when someone is really running a risk, because websites do not safely store password contraryly of what they say. So, for not risking, don't use passwords. "But how can you do so if you need to?". The answer is: do you REALLY NEED those services? The world is turning into the direction in which 13:39:07 we NEED these things, this is wrong in my opinion. joepie91, I think you may enjoy thinking about this, it may help you with your thoughts and add a little bit of creativity? MK_FG: yeah, yet do you imagine the faces? xDD The "prhoh" crackerz trying to fuse their 25-computer cloud in the intent of cracking those cursed hashes?? :D 13:39:12 it would turn hilarious xDDD 13:39:18 I would definitely try. 13:49:04 Nah, there are several wrong assumptions about people who crack these, I think 13:49:31 You know that simple old-dumps dectionary should crack 90% of db in first minutes 13:49:33 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 13:49:46 So if it's not the case at all, clearly you're dealing with garbage 13:50:14 ...or different hashing schema than advertised 13:51:47 If there's nothing obvious working with these dicts, I don't think someone would care enough to waste time or money on such no-idea-where-it-came-from dump and rather assume the obvious "it's just /dev/urandom output" 13:52:14 And if there're also logins/email, there should be much easier ways to confirm that it's garbage 13:52:34 Also, I don't see why you hate passwords so much 13:52:57 I mean, generate random string for each site and keep it, what risk is there? 13:53:52 If site's hacked, naturally you can consider your account there compromised - whole site might be, all data there might be, and oh god - your random string too - big deal ;) 14:01:22 wtf is with the Lidl changing their products lately 14:01:49 I mean, generate random string for each site and keep it, what risk is there? 14:01:50 pubkey auth! 14:02:03 monod: just add in hashes of common passwords at a reasonable frequency 14:02:08 Sure, there are even better ways 14:02:45 But when you allow users to use pubkeys, users will re-use them same as passwords 14:03:01 And will leak their private keys all over the place too, probably ;) 14:03:33 Still, imho harder to do that if you make distinction "public" - "private" clear enough 14:03:59 (personally, I'd like everyone to use smartcards, where users can't get privkeys!) 14:04:21 (and hopefully nsa neither) 14:05:07 new Lidl cheese is awesome 14:05:31 MK_FG: if everything is automated, there's no point in worrying about lost privkeys 14:05:39 think keyring 14:06:36 I think of them as software smartcards ;) 14:08:51 *** mikaa (mikaa@cryto-84C88BCC.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 14:19:40 maybe, instead of a wordlist with no common passwords at all, we could let them crack the easy ones, like 'password', 'letmein' or '123456', for a good 30%, and after that put some really-hard-to-guess passwords. I think you could also fill up to a 50% with common passwords, just to PRETEND it's a legit hash list xDD.. anyway, " Also, I don't see why you hate passwords so much": the point of my argument was different, I said something more 14:19:40 like this: we think we NEED certain services, that store sensitive informations of ours, secured with passwords, but even if those passwords are not stores in plaintext, the methods widely used around are close to plaintext in safety, when the passwords are not strong enough. So we put in many others' hands our things and our passwords without a minimum DECENCY regarding the password storing. This is also what I wanted to say to joepie91, more or 14:19:42 less. I did not understand: " monod: just add in hashes of common passwords at a reasonable frequency" 14:21:37 *** ebola (ebola@cryto-1D51B44C.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 14:29:34 I think the solution is simple. Password + 2 factor authentication 14:29:42 monod: I meant what you just said 14:29:53 create a wordlist with common passwords like every other list 14:29:57 then filling up the rest with nonsense 14:30:27 monod, Yeah, true, biz don't generally care about your data if you aren't paying them for it 14:36:01 hm.. 14:38:02 So I have to get read of money, that is: I have to finish the mary-book.pdf 14:38:30 MK_FG: if you aren't giving them financial compensation for it * 14:38:33 and even if you are 14:38:36 they still don't care 14:38:41 beyond not killing their own income stream 14:38:51 (generally) 14:39:52 ebola!! 14:39:57 Heh, guess so, they won't exactly care about *that* either way 14:40:06 mama how you? 14:40:15 Just about not pissing you off enough with their sloppiness 14:40:37 missing you ebola; let's pm ;) 14:41:02 And I think "they" here means me as well 14:41:03 ^ love story 14:42:01 s/love/sex/ 14:42:49 * zxcvbnm gasps 14:42:52 The debauchery!! 14:43:52 ... is it bad that I can recognize theme park / funfair rides as being manufactured by Huss just from watching a video? 14:43:58 * joepie91 frowns 14:47:23 What? 14:47:28 :)) 14:48:16 MK_FG: Huss is a ride manufacturer 14:48:19 hahahaha s/love/sex/ 14:48:24 I can recognize their rides from looking at a video of them 14:48:30 because they... work in a somewhat particular way 14:48:39 and I'm not sure whether this is a good or a bad thing 14:49:08 (also, I have somewhat of a soft spot for their rides... generally low degrees of headache, and very fun/fast) 14:49:28 headache incoming, have to go. 14:49:28 *** monod has quit (User quit: lleaving) 14:51:09 example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh_9VRgjctw&hd=1 14:56:29 *** AnonyOps (anonyops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 15:05:04 *** pjtyler (pjtyler@cryto-A6C557F0.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 15:05:16 * zxcvbnm zing zang zong 15:06:26 *** pjtyler has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 15:52:47 *** ebola has quit (User quit: Leaving) 15:56:29 *** monod (G@cryto-A0B5CF6C.dei.unipd.it) has joined #crytocc 15:56:37 hi, I had to pass to post this: 15:56:48 http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman 15:57:12 In particular: "The growing number of people storing information on internet-accessible servers rather than on their own machines, has become a core part of the rise of Web 2.0 applications. Millions of people now upload personal data such as emails, photographs and, increasingly, their work, to sites owned by companies such as Google." 15:58:27 does an open cloud system exist? or even does it have sense? 15:58:48 I mean: something running only free and open source software 15:58:52 monod: it's called the internet 15:58:53 ;) 16:00:54 hmm.. I don't get, as well as because I don't properly understand the topic yet 16:01:12 as a plus, in minutes I will have to go catch the hecking trainz 16:01:20 headache still hammering 16:01:32 psychologist taking summer vacations 16:01:32 monod: "cloud" is a buzzword 16:01:35 it doesn't have a real meaning 16:01:55 I thought you meant the open and free cloud was "internet" 16:01:55 cloud 16:01:57 is a thing 16:01:59 on the sky 16:02:05 I should've clarified 16:02:08 its made of 16:02:09 it doesn't have a real meaning on the internet* 16:02:10 :p 16:02:15 monod: it is 16:02:29 'cloud' basically refers to anything internet-y that someone wants to sound more cool 16:02:49 hell, for as long as I can remember, "the internet" was drawn in a cloud on network schematics 16:03:00 water 16:03:00 and sometimes some other gases 16:03:03 if you want an 'open cloud', just look at the internet as a whole 16:03:11 okay 16:03:31 I have a bit of difficulty expressing right now/today 16:05:54 *** ebola (ebola@cryto-95CCB1FF.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 16:08:35 *** AnonyOps has quit (Ping timeout) 16:17:23 good bye guyzzzz, trainzzz awaiingzzz 16:17:26 *** monod has quit (User quit: lleaving) 16:50:33 also openstack counts as open cloud 16:51:02 if you want to talk about a distributed computing software platform to be run in usually someone else's datacenter 16:51:14 :3 16:51:34 anybody use pybitmessage? 16:51:48 Oh I suppose it's just called bitmessage 16:57:06 NP: [Os Mutantes - Panis Et Circensis] [Tropicália ou Panis et Circencis] [922kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 17:07:20 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 17:17:26 *** anonanon (anonanon@FFAF2A37.D78055E2.642A6B53.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:17:35 Hello 17:19:41 *** anonanon has quit (User quit: /away) 17:20:03 clearly this guy is a rhythm guitarist 17:20:09 so why does he have a 7-string guitar? 17:25:25 *** speakeasy (speakeasy@cryto-DC5365B2.range86-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #crytocc 17:25:53 *** speakeasy has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 17:28:19 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 17:29:52 *** mama (anon@BD7E08CB.6902A178.4F758E50.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:52:52 *** mama has quit (User quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 17.0.6/20130511124515]) 18:13:59 * lady-3jane bounces 18:14:20 I fixed images from *.files.wordpress.com 18:14:46 they serve from a 192.x address, and I had clipped that entire block in my dns config 18:15:00 turns out it's just part of that block 18:15:04 :> 18:15:51 reminds me of the hamachi drama 18:15:56 when OVH started handing out 5.x.x.x blocks 18:15:57 lol 18:22:13 hahaha 18:23:48 you can imagine the clusterfuck that ensued 18:24:29 it kind of sucks when you get a 100 eur/mo box at OVH to run game servers off 18:24:38 and then get half your players complaining that they "can't connect" 18:25:48 It's not ovh's fault hamachi announces into a nonprivate block 18:25:49 lol 18:29:34 indeed 18:29:38 which is what the whole drama was about 18:29:40 :P 18:30:03 If they were going to be cunts they could run >240/8 18:30:36 I think 240/4 isn't assigned yet 19:17:52 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:22:24 dont know whats worse 19:22:31 scratch lottery or pull tabs 19:22:39 http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57595086-93/sec-accuses-texas-man-of-running-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme/ 19:22:41 classy 19:22:47 looks like they caught up with the Pirate guy 19:23:21 not thee dreaded pirate 19:23:28 pirateat40 19:28:12 hi 19:29:08 brb 19:30:51 back 19:53:32 pear juice! 19:59:41 hey 20:02:34 om nom nom 20:04:19 om nom nom indeed 20:04:22 the Lidl pear juice is particularly good 20:04:28 actually, the Lidl juices in general are good 20:04:38 only their multi-vitamin I'm not terribly excited about, a bit too watery 20:04:58 these are processed juices though, not fresh 20:10:59 huh 20:11:51 google tells me it's awesome for brewing too 20:11:52 :> 20:13:35 oh 20:13:40 fruit juices 20:14:01 that remind me of famous fruit juice companies' hard lobbying to promote drinking fruit juices at breakfast 20:14:30 in pretty much every state-funded ad about kids' nutrition (at least here) they say that kids must drink orange juice, preferably 20:14:53 when scientists have shown that there's no - up to my knowledge - significant advantage 20:15:08 cc joepie91 ^ 20:15:45 mhmm 20:15:48 I just like fruit juices 20:16:05 and they're relatively healthy for me considering I don't eat much fruit 20:16:05 :p 20:16:14 and generally my nutrition isn't great 20:16:18 d'aw 20:16:21 y u no veggies joepie91 20:16:43 because expensive 20:16:49 that's true 20:16:54 it's outrageous tbh 20:17:03 processed, crappy industrial food with shit-tier quality aliments 20:17:06 (literally, SHIT tier) 20:17:14 iceTwy, pm 20:17:16 are the less expensive things you can find out there 20:17:20 and yup 20:24:14 where's 20:24:15 lady-3jane: 20:26:19 iceTwy:) what 20:26:27 Interesting tweet lady-3jane 20:26:39 my accidental one I suppose, but yes 20:26:47 how so, accidental 20:27:16 I was trying to remove it 20:27:33 figured out how, after autotweeting it again 20:27:40 that's like the fourth time I've posted that article 20:27:41 :> 20:29:44 :p 20:30:31 It's worth posting 4 times, though. 20:30:42 Yup 20:48:04 *** rootkit (Shinji@FDAFDEF0.389DB0A0.6152E7E4.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:06:03 *** rootkit has quit (Ping timeout) 21:54:37 *** zest (zest@8CD2C51F.77CC2ADB.2936FEA7.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:57:25 *** AnonyOps (anonyops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 22:32:36 *** Ari (Ari@cryto-1543D6C8.cpe.distributel.net) has joined #crytocc 22:47:32 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 22:52:49 The Shawshank Redemption was well worth watching 22:59:00 *** Discordian (Discordian@cryto-DFEC3329.snydernet.net) has joined #crytocc 23:12:09 *** thespartan117_ (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:12:10 *** why_slap_option has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:13:19 *** thespartan117_ has quit (User quit: if i do not leave im dead) 23:14:40 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:26:23 oh, for sure 23:26:23 great movie 23:29:49 oh wow 23:30:05 the ex-French-first-lady's website cost 410 000€ 23:30:08 to taxpayers 23:34:23 Niiiiiice. 23:34:24 http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/07/google-strengthens-android-security-muscle-with-nsa-developed-protection/ 23:43:24 HI 23:43:28 ICETWY 23:43:33 IS THIS IRC IPAD COMPATIBLE? 23:44:20 what 23:44:26 what irc 23:44:28 waflel: ^ 23:44:34 IDK 23:45:27 you fine bro? 23:56:50 hjl