00:01:16 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 00:21:54 *** why_slap_option has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:22:44 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:25:50 *** why_slap_option has quit (User quit: if i do not leave im dead) 00:26:00 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:35:54 wat 00:36:02 Isn't all IRC iPad compatible? 00:36:04 it's a protocol.. 00:36:15 that's like asking IS THIS HTTP COMPATIBLE WITH MY PHONE 00:36:18 AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHE RHTTP 00:58:50 *** x (foobar@F41F7528.3BFC4759.D48B3C20.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:00:34 *** zest has quit (Client exited) 01:00:56 iRC is compatible with iPad, it starts with i 01:07:01 lolz 01:56:41 lol 03:48:47 *** AnonyOps has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:27:34 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@4DAA05B7.9F32FB1E.57B9DF22.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:14:11 YEAH 06:14:17 android with selinux? fuck yes 06:58:40 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 07:00:43 lady-3jane: isn't selinux just an anal retentive set off access categories? 07:02:39 anal retentive is putting it lightly, but yes 07:05:07 It's a stupidly fine grained acl 07:06:18 it's one of the two reasons behind redhat being the biggest shared hosting OS 07:06:29 the other being the stupid long support windows 07:26:37 Never seen shared hosting with selinux contexts though, all seem to use just uid/gid, sometimes grsecurity and chroot, but selinux... 07:27:31 (if not freebsd, because it has cool grsec features out of the box) 08:09:31 yus 08:09:49 oh, really? I always figured that was why people used centos/rhel 08:10:08 there's no real other reason to, except MAYBE cpanel 08:10:17 but really even that works on other better os's 08:12:16 agh 08:12:20 I shaved my head today 08:12:40 I look like a completely different person :D 08:26:36 I think even hosting sysadmins hate it so much they disable it on sight ;) 08:29:46 I have a friend (which reminds me, I need to set up his vm) which is buying a vm from us... he asked specifically for centos and I was directed to set it up and get it hosting his site with selinux on full 08:35:41 Yeah, more people should use LSMs imho, selinux or not 08:36:23 If anything, their notifications for apps trying to break these acl's might catch a lot of virii and backdoors 08:36:51 (at least of non-APT kind) 08:38:26 which is most ^ 08:39:27 All 99.999% by sheer volume probably ;) 08:40:55 I started using apparmor instead of selinux in the past, mostly due to the fact that it was much easier and soo much less stuff to work with - just kernel and tool to compile/load policies 08:41:25 No need to tag inodes, maintain that tagging, no various pre-built selinux policy-kits, network labelling, ... 08:41:52 But now I kinda regret not sticking to selinux, which seem to be much more powerful ;) 08:43:02 Network connection labelling in particular seem to be great feature, which apparmor still doesn't do 08:43:37 yeah. It really is a great thing... huge fucking pain in the fucking ass, but... lol 08:43:55 And inode-based acls seem to be much saner concept than path-based, especially with lots of binaries around running unconfined 08:44:42 Nah, I bet it can easily be used in a similar to apparmor fashion - everything unconfined, just opt-in stuff as necessary 08:45:49 That was the killer feature in apparmor for me, I think - that you don't have incomprehensible fuckton of rules pre-setup at the beginning (which you don't seem to be obligated to have, it just comes that way on distros) 08:46:26 Oh, and probably logging to dmesg out of the box (and not sure if even disableable) 08:47:07 When something breaks due to selinux, people seem to have trouble debugging it, even though it should have it's own logs (iirc they were collected from somewhere by syslog).... 08:47:33 And with apparmor it's a non-issue - you see dmesg entries on each violation easily 08:47:55 So you know it's a "permission denied" not due to dac rules, but apparmor ones 08:49:49 Ars entry on that selinux in android has "Article updated to remove reference to NSA in the headline" footnote ;) 08:53:34 ha 09:41:35 *** monod (gStories@cryto-E738467.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #crytocc 09:42:03 good morning.. 09:43:57 morning 09:47:24 morning 09:52:07 DISCO 09:53:15 Discordian: PM 10:26:37 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 10:26:44 hai 10:27:20 hello icey 10:27:53 hey 10:27:54 @all: what does '> /dev/null' do? Ignore all output by redirecting to a fictious device? 10:27:56 how are you doin' 10:28:03 I believe so monod 10:28:16 don't even ask, it's ups and downs 10:28:27 how come, heh? 10:28:49 Makes shell redirect stdout (fd=1) to /dev/null, opened with O_TRUNCATE 10:29:30 *O_TRUNC 10:29:52 (>> for O_APPEND instead, 2>/dev/null for stderr (fd=2)) 10:33:05 iceTwy, all sort of things: 1) I wouldn't wake up early in the morning anymore, again, because I'm stupid and do not have the will to study, 2) psycho visits take the summer rest, or vacations, and will be back in 4 weeks. It's not much of a big problem, if I don't behave like a child, 3) my home is a prison, or perhaps it *may* be a prison, depending on how I want to see the thing. MK_FG, I appreaciate the answer, I also have more 10:33:05 questions on some details, like: 1) what's 'fd' ? 2) what does 0_TRUNC do? 10:33:36 monod: at least I feel ya' on number 1 10:33:44 I was supposed to wake up 2h ago 10:33:51 my alarm rang, yeah, no probs 10:34:00 but my body was like, "no, fu, you're tired, sleep" 10:34:05 "plus your new pillow is amazing!" 10:34:09 so I slept some more lol 10:34:21 my sleep cycles are 90 mins, so I slept 90 more mins 10:34:31 (1) file descriptor, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_descriptor (2) look it up in "man 2 open" 10:34:32 you shouldn't talk about it this lightly though (imho) 10:35:01 MK_FG, ok.. 10:36:00 so, it's like a pipeline, it seems from the image 10:37:25 From api perspective, it's just a number (integer) that means something to kernel 10:37:46 where are API located in the process? 10:37:52 Do "ls -l" in any /proc//fd path 10:38:13 Ugh, I mean kernel syscall api in this case 10:38:21 (man 2 syscall) 10:38:41 have you studied operating systems? 10:38:46 It's accessed by putting some values in cpu registers and calling some "syscall" instruction iirc 10:39:15 Depends on what one calls "studied" ;) 10:39:39 Not in academic environment 10:41:30 *** monod has quit (User quit: Leaving) 10:59:52 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 11:07:59 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 11:56:15 joepie91: jabber 12:00:00 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 12:27:34 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@22BDCBF1.9F32FB1E.57B9DF22.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:40:49 *** Discordian has quit (Ping timeout) 13:42:12 *** ebola (ebola@cryto-CE7FD08D.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 14:07:02 *** why_slap_option has quit (Ping timeout) 14:09:35 I heard they have the internet on computers 14:15:22 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:20:31 *** sss (textual@cryto-1B31C880.netvigator.com) has joined #crytocc 14:21:24 *** sss has quit (User quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 14:22:42 Nah, dat thing will never get off the ground 14:23:16 Nice idea, but will never get big 14:23:21 :( 14:23:31 But we could share pictures of cats 14:25:19 Clearly there is no market for these 14:25:59 And imagine what it'll do to peer cat photographers (tm) industry 14:26:15 The peer cat photographers (tm) industry has been corrupt for years, we all know this 14:26:33 (wat!? how did I misspell "poor" like that...) 14:27:32 I dunno, but I went with it P 14:27:45 Corrupt, hah! It's all socialist hippie propaganda and you know it!! 14:28:22 Peer cat photographers (tm) are all honest god-fearful businessmen 14:28:31 lol 14:28:35 clearly the peer cat photographers (tm) would never do such horrible things to the public 14:28:40 Whole world economy rests on their shoulders 14:28:46 Classic polygamist peer cat photographers and their zionists stuffs 14:29:20 Did you know that they alone generate over $9000 billions of tax money in US alone? 14:29:41 And employ like the whole population of China 14:29:55 I did 14:30:03 I'm employed by them =/ 14:31:18 Did you know the peer cat photographers (tm) are building a bigger database warehouse than the NSA? 14:31:36 It stretches across 7 countries & 2 continents. 14:31:50 Clearly it is to store peer cats' pictures, and it legit 14:31:53 *is 14:32:07 Well, if your cat has nothing to hide, it shouldn't matter 14:32:32 Here's the congress and senate approval, and president says by-the-god-it's-right 14:33:17 Besides, how else can we stop these hippie communist arabs from blowing shit up? 14:33:28 gd hippie communists.. 14:33:36 They need to cut their hair and get some jobs 14:33:53 What? They all shoul be shot 14:34:03 'murrica for 'murricans! 14:34:11 here to save the motherfuckin day yeaaah 14:34:23 Fuck yeah 14:34:46 You know they all owe us for ww2, ww1 and ww3 14:35:01 And yet - the audacity - refuse to give us oil and shits 14:35:12 the audacity is right 14:35:36 If my maths & sciences are correct (and they are), the U.S. hasn't been in an illegal war ever 14:35:50 and here come all these masked hippie communists just willy-nilly blowin themselves up 14:36:21 Indeed, democracy-hating hippie communists that stand against all we stand for 14:36:38 And they're already among us! 14:36:51 No kidding, democracy-hating, vegetarian hippie communists standing when no one else is standing so their in the way, as usual 14:37:22 next they're gonna expect our goberment to start taking care of anyone and everyone 14:37:51 The peer cat photographers (tm) are our only hope of taking a political stance 14:37:51 Indeed, abusing their rights via legal loopholes and shit, we won't stand for it 14:38:00 Nope, we only sit, correct? 14:38:02 a confused politicritter might think you're serious 14:38:05 :) 14:38:16 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 14:38:23 well it's about damn time someone take us seriously 14:38:34 lord knows the peer cat photographers (tm) can't do everything 14:39:02 They're stretched so thin and already starving as it is 14:39:15 Just look at their cheap Ferarris 14:39:26 mhm 14:39:44 And how many private islands were they able to afford in the last year? 14:40:49 Probably only a handful * dozen 14:41:08 Bonuses have been in the double-digit millions instead of triple-digit :( 14:41:49 And that's no way to live, not with current global economy 14:42:17 Just look what these ragheads done to it, with their cheap labor and shits 14:42:27 Crisis after collapse 14:42:33 mmhm, right you are ken 14:50:20 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 14:51:15 There 14:51:15 https://i.imgur.com/n2TAydv.jpg 14:51:23 Thoughts? 14:51:59 iceTwy: can you tell me what i'm looking at (other than the obvious) so I can give you thoughts 14:52:15 are you talking about the widgets on the side? 14:52:22 how conky integrates with rest of the screen 14:52:24 desktop rather 14:53:37 I stopped liking ubuntu... sooo, with that said.. that looks like a clean setup. 14:53:47 I'm all for classic "loads of shit with bars" conky ;) 14:53:56 iceTwy: it bothers me that one of the circles is half over the edge between terrain and sky 14:54:07 ah 14:54:09 the home one? 14:54:13 try spacing it a bit more so that the line is nicely in the middle between two circles 14:54:15 yes 14:54:22 but space it consistently 14:54:23 what 14:54:26 this is pretty fucked up tho 14:54:28 http://i.imgur.com/2U6HTn9.jpg 14:54:28 could also decrease spacing a bit 14:54:29 joepie91: what if he changes his background pic 14:54:30 I got it from deviantart 14:54:40 holy crap MK_FG 14:54:42 MK_FG: jesus, how do you read that stuff 14:54:45 lol MK_FG tell me thats not yours 14:54:56 zxcvbnm: then he rearranges them? 14:54:56 Heheh, it's totally mine! 14:55:19 joepie91: it's a bit tricky to do that 14:55:21 because basically 14:55:28 the background of the circle is a png file 14:55:28 joepie91: then he'd be in a cycle of always shifting his widgets 14:55:32 the transparent thingy 14:55:38 and then the coloured rings are made with lua 14:56:33 iceTwy: meh 14:56:34 :P 14:56:38 omg ipv6... what is this 14:56:40 is this real life?? 14:56:45 yeah lol joepie91 14:56:47 i'll change 14:57:01 also lol 14:57:07 today, a car drove into the local apple store 14:57:08 well, apple reseller 14:57:13 and stole shit 14:57:16 early in the morning 14:57:23 it was described quite generically as "an electronics store" in the press 14:57:32 2 hours later, a new public job opening appears 14:57:39 "cleaning staff at electronics store in Dordrecht" 14:57:49 I wonder... :) 14:58:18 lol I'm about to stir up some shit 14:59:11 oh i'm sorry, did you say no windows allowed? muhahahhaha 15:02:13 I'm disappointed, zxcvbnm 15:02:18 I would've at least expected some Stardock stuff 15:02:32 this is my work comp :P 15:02:40 even then 15:02:42 Fences or whatever 15:02:51 meh 15:02:53 fences is clunky 15:02:58 old Fences was nice 15:03:15 i just don't ever use my desktop space.. 15:03:27 i have 2 monitors and so many windows open that i never even see that 15:04:03 *** lolpwn (omgpwn@DF37D2B8.247449A8.4C1A5FEE.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:04:07 my setup would be better if I could just have 2 more monitors.... 15:56:27 *** why_slap_option has quit (Ping timeout) 16:04:48 id computer better if i had 2 monitors 16:05:16 2+mini monitor for irc 16:07:08 *** Yolo (nomnomops@955186E5.CF239FB.7F277BCA.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:15:24 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 16:16:25 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 16:20:02 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:25:14 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 16:25:42 *** why_slap_option has quit (Input/output error) 16:35:27 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:37:38 where are my ngninx experts 16:51:53 *** why_slap_option has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:52:51 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:54:38 Who isn't? 16:54:55 heh 16:55:12 nginxperts 16:55:33 Sounds like a porn studio 16:55:36 so uh 16:55:40 for those that did not pick up on this yet 16:55:45 OVH is now selling 3 euro/month dedicated servers 16:56:00 http://www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/kimsufi.xml 16:56:05 specs? 16:56:11 click 16:56:13 Traffic? 16:56:35 click 16:56:42 oh 16:56:44 no more sekrit limit? 16:56:45 SLA best effort? 16:56:48 guess it's actually unmetered now 16:57:03 Ari: yes, no explicit bandwidth guarantee 16:57:28 > 64 bits > RAM: 2 GiB 16:57:57 Nice though 16:59:34 http://i.imgur.com/E5ZvOQ0.png 16:59:34 HELP ME 17:00:09 Hmm, what's the diff for ovh.ie vs ovh.com? 17:00:24 ugh fuck i just finished summer school 17:00:35 MK_FG: OVH is slow at updating all of their sites 17:00:35 parties here I come 17:00:36 and all-night game jams 17:00:41 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 17:01:01 Heheh 17:01:27 Of course, they're in site-hosting biz after all 17:01:28 You can't expect fast site updates there ;) 17:02:24 brb gym 17:03:48 I wonder why they insist on 64-bit distros though... 17:04:13 These seem hardly necessary (still) with 2 GiB 17:04:29 And 32-bit can make like 2x out of that 17:13:32 *** ebola (ebola@cryto-95CCB1FF.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 17:17:55 http://www.reddit.com/r/outside 17:22:23 f2p mmorpg 17:22:26 lol 17:51:58 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 18:23:28 *** crates has quit (Ping timeout) 18:39:48 NP: [Ghetto Funk Allstars - Glenn Miller - In The Mood (Funk Ferret & Goodgroove Remix)] [Icons Vol 2] [320kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 18:41:28 *** crates (crates@cryto-C482EFD6.zworg.com) has joined #crytocc 19:51:04 *** Ari has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:08:57 jesus fucking christ how does anyone use firefox 20:09:11 It has locked up 3 times in the last 15 minutes 20:09:21 not crashed, just locked up for a good 15s 20:15:04 It twists one's usage habits to subconsciously avoid doing some things that might lock it up like that 20:15:37 And distorts one's perception of time, so any lock-up is expected and brain phases-out for that period 20:16:57 It looks like person is doing something (despite hung browser) from the outside, but brain activity is completely dead for that period 20:17:48 :< 20:17:58 I dunno if it's the gc or what, but jeez 20:18:12 any stop the world batch tasks should never ever ever get in the way of the ui like this 20:18:45 nobody will even care if it takes an extra 100ms to load every page as long as it doesn't freeze like that 20:19:50 You're not supposed to notice that! 20:20:03 Jo-o-o-oin u-u-u-us 20:20:31 I suppose the reason I like chrome is because it never freezes, and when it does it just takes out the whole fucking browser 20:20:38 and that's fine 20:20:39 But seriously, I probably so used to ff I physically can't see these things even if they pop up every day ;) 20:20:44 crashing is good, as far as I'm concerned 20:21:33 either silently continue or crash in a giant ball of fire (with recovery options), I don't care, but don't fucking lag up for 15-30s 20:28:10 right 20:28:12 I need 20:28:22 1. a lightweight distro that I can run from an USB key 20:28:34 2. decent updates 20:28:38 3. secure, secure, secure 20:28:44 is Tails the best choice? 20:30:46 iceTwy CrunchBang 20:31:39 hm 20:32:35 lolpwn: well is CrunchBang known to be secure? 20:32:57 Not exactly sure what you mean there iceTwy. 20:33:13 well, I mean that I need something really secure. 20:33:15 It's a very secure OS, but then again you have to factor in what you intend on using it for. 20:33:19 what is secure 20:33:21 secure against what 20:33:27 ^^ 20:33:44 define your operational requirements :) 20:34:09 *** AnonO_o (AnonO_o@FB0E6E7D.57A5D9AB.1C0A74B4.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:34:13 hai 20:34:48 I'm apparently joe's fag hag according to doxbin 20:40:27 loggy, pointer? 20:40:27 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-07-25#T20-40-27 20:40:34 that was logged 20:40:35 ooo 20:41:49 wouldn't it be better to have it store the off var for each person in channel, so you could do !off and after X minutes of non-talking, it tells you it's back on? 20:42:00 instead of prefixing everything 20:42:26 AnonO_o: no, for various reasons 20:42:46 1. race conditions, where you'd hit enter _just_ after [off] disabling and accidentally leaking information because you didn't notice in time 20:42:48 people would forget 20:42:58 2. would black out an entire part of conversation rather than just the bits that really have to stay out of logs 20:43:16 the intention is for [off] to be used minimally 20:43:44 also 20:43:45 20:34:48 I'm apparently joe's fag hag according to doxbin 20:43:46 elaborate? 20:44:15 check doxbin... some asshat found an old wordpress of mine and got a pic 20:44:37 along with saying I sucked poke's cock for ops in anonops 20:44:44 hot 20:44:57 AnonO_o:) why are you concerned about gossip? 20:44:57 but I'm apparently your fag hag. 20:45:19 AnonO_o: eh, right. 20:45:27 concerned? hmm. more annoyed someone bothered. 20:45:58 can't tell if I've been rustled or someone I 'know" 20:46:14 it's pretty obvious you're being rustled :P 20:46:24 though I don't know if that word means the same to you as me 20:46:25 :P 20:58:48 NP: [Godsmack - Straight Out Of Line] [Faceless] [1023kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 21:16:09 lemme lay it out for you: telling people not to do something because there are risks associated with it is exactly what we do with sex education in the US. Don't fuck because you might get pregnant. What good does it do us? 21:16:32 dare fucking 21:16:55 It's a worthless thing to say, and mostly damaging, because kids will fuck whether you want them to or not. If they have the information, they'll be safer about it. 21:17:22 iceTwy: LSD 21:17:28 (and actually they do it less, straight up, if they have the info) 21:17:38 I got tired of off 21:18:06 So, what do you think is the effect to me of telling me not to color my hair because I might get cancer? 21:18:27 I might get hit by a car walking down the street too, but it doesn't stop me. And getting hit by a car is a hell of a lot more likely. 21:18:57 iceTwy: was I right? :P 21:19:09 somebody needs to learn them some harm reduction :3 21:20:10 yes joepie91 21:20:23 iceTwy: Google-Fu! 21:20:26 I knew 21:20:27 :P 21:20:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq-bloM4Cmo 21:21:06 watch that at some point 21:21:22 It's all sorts of awesome. 21:41:50 *** MaryJane (MJ@7100F143.3E0CCED9.7F277BCA.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:42:58 *** AnonO_o has quit (User quit: twitter: @anonO_o) 21:56:33 lady-3jane: cancer isn't like pregnancy - pregnancy is a probability thing - cancer risk piles up over time 21:57:46 you could change your mind later after you've gone past the threshold and you'll still get it 22:03:50 *** why_slap_option has quit (Ping timeout) 22:12:32 *** zest (zest@cryto-75D49CB1.snydernet.net) has joined #crytocc 22:12:54 hello, hello 22:13:56 Viber compromised, suck, I knew it might happen ^_^ 22:16:14 HiveResearch:) and yet telling people to just say no is just as ineffective 22:17:08 Does anyone know how long cryto store users IPs at which they connected ? 22:17:10 I'm more concerned about my plastic white spoons I use to stir my pasta than coloring my hair 22:18:04 I will color my hair far less over a lifetime (I'll probably have to stop if I end up in govt) than I will stir pasta with those spoons 22:22:52 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 22:23:03 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 22:23:24 lol quixotical 22:26:04 epicest 22:26:05 video 22:26:07 of all times 22:26:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcHkMnfwnr8 22:26:28 NP: [Feist - Graveyard] [Metals] [756kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 22:28:46 mmm 22:28:56 I'm really liking this concept of intense world theory 22:29:55 I've been told repeatedly I have aspergers... but unlike some of the shit theories about it, that one fits my experiences better 22:31:57 which reminds me, I need to stop drinking coffee 22:33:12 it acts the same way alcohol does for me, where it narrows the amount of information I can perceive, and thus the amount I can be forced to process 22:36:16 NP: [Linkin Park - Bleed It Out] [Minutes To Midnight] [997kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 22:52:24 oh man 22:53:56 "It's the weekend, so yes go get wasted, don't get wasted and drop 0-day. That's harm reduction" 22:53:58 LULZ 23:24:20 *** zest has quit (User quit: hf) 23:40:14 *** rawryhawt (psyrod@cryto-F452ABDA.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #crytocc 23:41:09 *** Ari (Ari@cryto-1543D6C8.cpe.distributel.net) has joined #crytocc