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Sort of :) 10:17:35 *** dpk has quit (Ping timeout) 10:19:38 *** dpk (dpk@dpk.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:38:49 *** norbert79 has quit (Client exited) 12:08:30 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 12:14:13 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 12:15:49 *** Anon0x31337x has quit (Ping timeout) 12:26:15 Weird, why people aren't on irc all the time 12:26:22 ohai MK_FG 12:26:27 Hi 12:29:44 *** Anon0x31337x (Anon0x3133@cryto-40BDAC8B.sub-70-192-71.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 12:32:44 Oh... 12:37:12 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 12:37:58 joepie91, Don't you have scheduling (i.e. arrival/departure times) in that dataset? 12:38:23 MK_FG: hmm? 12:38:45 Wrt bus route planner backlog I'm reading now... ;) 12:39:04 the problem is that none of the datasets are complete 12:39:05 :p 12:39:49 I wrote very similar thing for local trains in the past, also with "fastest" and "cheapest" criterias, which were then intermingled (with some ratio) in final results 12:40:19 But it was kinda easy, since local trains have to-the-minute scheduling data and stop at very discrete and fairly spaced-out places 12:40:37 (so you don't have to account for people moving between stops on foot) 12:42:31 Wrt: "using a modification to Dijkstra's algorithm it should be possible to determine multiple routes" 12:42:51 What I was able to do with trains is fairly simple: 12:44:13 (1) structure db that all routes are separate, e.g. route-123-station-A is distinct from route-124-station-A, but there's a link between these (weight of it depends on timing of route-123 vs route-124) 12:44:51 (2) find optimal path by Dijkstra 12:45:52 (3) drop all possible combinations of routes in order, e.g. drop route-123 from graph (if it was in the path) and do dijkstra again, then drop route-124 (if it was in the path) - find path again, then drop route-123 and route-124, etc... 12:46:28 can you elaborate on (3)? 12:46:32 It's kinda bruteforce, but should find all the possible paths, and worked wrt trains 12:47:12 Well, let's say you have path found as A-B-C (A, B and C are id's of trains) 12:48:05 You build a set of stuff to drop as {A, B, C, AB, BC, AC} 12:48:44 Then do "for combo in this_set: drop_combo_from_graph(combo) && dijkstra" 12:49:01 For each new path found, repeat such combo-building 12:49:58 I don't quite understand what you mean with "drop" 12:50:02 could you perhaps write some pseudo-code? 12:50:06 Data set was ~250 trains and ~800 stations 12:50:07 I think that might help me understand it better 12:51:15 Heh, I think I can do that without pseudo... 12:56:56 lol: https://code.google.com/p/xee/source/browse/XeePhotoshopLoader.m#102 13:54:02 http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/business/news/9759238.Books_rescued_for_giveaway_store/ 13:54:06 this is a very odd model 13:54:14 The charity, which has 25 outlets nationwide, makes its money from landlords paying them a donation, rather than paying empty property tax. 14:01:09 *** Reem has quit (User quit: ) 14:25:00 %% ?s=%22%3E%3CSCRIPT%3Ealert%28String.fromCharCode%2888,83,83%29%29%3C/SCRIPT%3E%3CMARQUEE%20BGCOLOR=%22RED%22%3E%3CH1%3EXSS%3C/H1%3E%3C/MARQUEE%3E%27%22%3E%3CSCRIPT%3Ealert%28String.fromCharCode%2888,83,83%29%29%3C/SCRIPT%3E%3CMARQUEE%20BGCOLOR=%22RED%22%3E%3CH1%3EXSS%3C/H1%3E%3C/MARQUEE%3E%27%22%3E%3CIMG%20%22%22%22%3E%3CSCRIPT%3Ealert%28%22XSS%22%29%3C/SCRIPT%3E%22%3E%3CMARQUEE%20BGCOLOR=%22RED%22%3E%3CH1%3EXSS%3C/H1%3E%3C/MARQUEE%3E%27%2 14:25:00 2%3E%3C%3CSCRIPT%3Ealert%28%22XSS%22 14:25:08 whoops 14:25:13 sorry 14:33:27 #csb 15:02:48 *** AnonyOps (anonyops@cryto-5167D786.woh.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 15:15:59 *** zxcvbnm (~crack7765@zxcvbnm.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:49:30 * zxcvbnm nods at MK_FG 16:14:41 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:35:24 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:37:30 * Ari pokes zxcvbnm really hard 16:39:21 * zxcvbnm falls over and coughs up an NSL 16:45:07 *** ebola has quit (User quit: Leaving) 17:07:01 this makes me a VERY happy panda: http://tox.im/ 17:12:55 all this cool crypto related software 17:12:59 foreveralone.jpg 17:15:42 *** Yolo (nomnomops@cryto-EAA362A4.perfect-privacy.com) has joined #crytocc 17:15:45 *** Yolo has quit (User quit: Yolo) 17:15:50 *** Yolo (nomnomops@cryto-EAA362A4.perfect-privacy.com) has joined #crytocc 17:15:52 *** Yolo has quit (User quit: Yolo) 17:16:06 *** Yolo (nomnomops@cryto-EAA362A4.perfect-privacy.com) has joined #crytocc 17:16:59 *** Yolo has quit (User quit: ) 17:17:11 *** Yolo (nomnomops@cryto-EAA362A4.perfect-privacy.com) has joined #crytocc 17:19:42 Yeah, good secure p2p messenger have been missing for a while 17:20:20 MK_FG: not quite 17:20:22 *** Yolo has quit (User quit: ) 17:20:23 Especially one with djb crypto and pubkeys as id's \o/ 17:20:29 just no fancy looking one with video calling existed 17:20:32 Jitsi? 17:20:33 that was also good 17:20:43 MK_FG: I was under the impression we were talking about good IM clients :) 17:20:46 *** Anon0x31337x has quit (Ping timeout) 17:21:08 i switched to gibberbot when google killed gtalk 17:21:09 Sure, but ok, what is there? 17:21:21 given that every person I've pointed at Jitsi has complained about bugs, and I never managed to actually initiate a call myself -at all-, and it's Java and slow as shit 17:21:24 I would not class it as 'good' 17:21:35 MK_FG: nothing, that's the problem 17:21:39 that's why tox makes me a happy panda 17:22:00 Oh, I thought by "not quite" you meant that there are plenty ;) 17:22:11 no 17:22:15 there's one 17:22:17 but it doesn't do video 17:22:18 (properly) 17:22:20 Pidgin + OTR 17:22:20 :p 17:22:31 *beep* centralized! 17:22:42 ... no, it's not? 17:22:50 XMPP is federated 17:22:54 and you can easily set up your own 17:22:56 I consider that P2P 17:23:01 Har har 17:23:05 less user-friendly P2P, but still P2P 17:24:19 I'd say it's much more pain than making that person use netcat over ssh or something 17:24:26 *** Yolo (nomnomops@cryto-EAA362A4.perfect-privacy.com) has joined #crytocc 17:24:41 There's one true p2p messengah 17:25:24 MK_FG: apt-get install prosody 17:25:25 pretty much 17:28:05 It looks fairly simple, indeed 17:28:37 *** d0wn_blog has quit (Ping timeout) 17:28:38 *** d0wn_biz is now known as d0wn_blog 17:35:06 *** Anon0x31337x (Anon0x3133@cryto-1E93B0F5.sub-70-192-69.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 17:39:15 * MK_FG watches lulzy http://worrydream.com/dbx/ 17:40:05 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:40:10 Hola 17:41:16 hai iceTwy 17:41:18 http://tox.im/ 17:41:42 Sec joepie91 17:42:27 Secure VoIP and mail?! 17:42:30 Wow 17:42:38 I checked it out 17:42:39 seems nice 17:42:42 Have y'all heard about XKeyScore? 17:43:03 I haven't 17:43:17 Erm 17:43:28 Check the Guardian's front page 17:43:42 Basically XKeyScore is PRISM 17:44:00 But it's twice as invasive at it goes past retrieving metadata 17:44:08 iceTwy: re: Tox, seems like someone is -finally- doing it right 17:44:18 Definitely joepie91 17:44:30 Free Skype? Yay 17:44:48 also, re x-keyscore 17:44:48 There was Ekiga back in the days 17:44:58 looks like the US is going to have a problem :) 17:45:04 Haha 17:45:08 iceTwy: Ekiga was never user-friendly, uses SIP, and generally works like shit 17:45:16 Snowden <3 17:45:27 Yeah I'm aware joepie91 17:45:41 Oh btw do you know where I am at? 17:45:47 Atm* 17:45:59 in the same location as when I talked to you like 2 days ago? 17:46:00 :p 17:46:27 Was it a big city? :p 17:47:20 joepie91 ^ 17:47:39 no idea, you weren't that specific 17:47:42 XMPP + OTR perhaps? :P 17:47:48 Ya 17:48:37 Sec 17:48:41 Busy 17:53:15 Ping? 18:00:27 joepie91; ping 18:04:17 *** why_slap_option has quit (Input/output error) 18:05:44 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:12:56 *** cr[a]tes has quit (Ping timeout) 18:13:14 *** cr[a]tes (crates@cryto-B98FADA2.boingboing.net) has joined #crytocc 18:26:34 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:26:41 hi guyz! 18:29:01 dpk: were you programming a new interface to automaticly (lady-3jane: giggle with mey) found the way to travel around in a city? 18:29:09 or was just "homework" or something? 18:34:32 When I build my army of robots I won't bother with pathfinding, will just equip them with landscape annihilators on the front - problem solved 18:35:07 quite conqueror style 18:35:19 terminator* 18:35:20 :D 18:35:40 monod: that's joepie91's new project 18:35:48 public transport planner for the UK 18:36:05 like 9292.nl, but for Britain! 18:36:24 ohhh. Going to have a look at 9292.nl 18:36:26 Surely brits must have a few of these already? 18:36:48 new potential project* 18:36:52 depending on feasability 18:36:58 MK_FG: thought so too, then found out not 18:37:07 Wankers! 18:37:12 joepie91, I see that you're thinking about problems 18:37:18 bus wankers! 18:37:37 * monod reading logs 18:39:08 is really java bad? 18:39:22 is all of an academic lie that of java being useful? 18:39:26 and why 18:39:34 "yes, because", "no, because" 18:39:52 Oh god no, because HOLYWAR 18:40:02 hahahah 18:40:05 what the heck..? 18:40:15 monod: Java is bulky, resource-hungry, and slow 18:40:19 yes, I know computation is fast 18:40:21 it's slow to the end user 18:41:19 "yes, I know computation is fast" what do you mean? I think I'll better understand the following too after you answer to that: "it's slow to the end user" 18:41:31 GOODIE: https://lmddgtfy.net/ 18:41:35 it's what you think it is. 18:42:38 I now understood what "holywar" meant, that actually is "holy war" I think.. 18:43:29 so the NSA was sniffing http? and thats the big revelation of xkeyscore"? 18:43:45 eh? 18:44:28 less than impressive 18:45:19 as far as the technical prowess 18:47:44 monod: http://prog21.dadgum.com/68.html 18:47:54 i think is the phenomenon that joepie91 is talking about 18:50:25 zxcvbnm, There's also http://i.imgur.com/yv4kRSv.png 18:51:02 And slides on how it targets people using encryption... 18:51:03 Amazing monod 18:51:21 Love the LMDDGTFY website lol 18:51:32 And the most disturbing one - row of red round boats around antarctica 18:51:49 I've heard they're expecting invasion of White Walkers from there 18:53:37 monod: if you benchmark things in Java that rely heavily on computation of things 18:53:41 you'll find that it achieves near-native performance 18:53:55 however, the user experience is very slow, laggy, and clunky 18:58:52 http://gawker.com/russian-official-says-gay-olympic-athletes-will-be-subj-974566901 18:58:53 classy 19:03:22 *** why_slap_option has quit (Input/output error) 19:06:20 I'm still puzzled by this crap, it doesn't seem to make sense for gov to attack these things for any reason 19:07:02 It's not like they threaten gov or such attacks expand gov power significantly... 19:08:20 And they do generate bad press, though admitedly, I haven't seen in-country media doesn't report any of these ever 19:08:48 s/doesn't// 19:10:52 *** why_slap_option (thespartan@B6238662.680BA07C.DE6EDE27.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:19:55 aaaand 19:20:03 I redact my statement about the "less than impressive" technical prowess. 19:20:09 the guardian's article is just so fluffy 19:20:17 if you go and look at the slide show itself... 19:20:22 some of the implications of what they can look for 19:20:40 i.e. "show me all VPN startups in country X and give me the data so I can decrypt it" 19:23:54 s/redact/retract/ 19:24:02 redacting would be something very different :) 19:25:39 *** why_slap_option has quit (Input/output error) 19:52:15 it's amusing how the X-KEYSCORE logo is basically just two pieces of WordArt overlaid on each other 19:55:11 *** ElectRo` has quit (Input/output error) 20:15:14 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:17:44 oh there is plenty of wordart in those pres-o's 20:40:07 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Bye) 20:56:21 *** ilikeapricot (app@ilikeapricot.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:58:54 hehe YES WE SCAN funniest i read today 21:19:27 oh... on a protest banner btw 21:31:32 :D 21:32:36 right, I'm starting to mentally block out anything that even -looks- feministic, because every time I come across anything related to feminism it seems to be cliché-laden overly-victim-mentality reverse-discrimination generalizing drivel 21:32:44 with barely any real substance 22:07:19 *** monod has quit (User quit: Quit) 22:25:13 *** Anon0x31337x has quit (Ping timeout) 22:26:06 off to defcon, later folks 22:26:30 *** zxcvbnm has quit (User quit: Lost terminal) 22:39:27 *** Anon0x31337x (Anon0x3133@cryto-DB16B393.sub-70-192-69.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc