00:56:47 *** Fuwb4R (Fuwb4R@cryto-5833F44E.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #crytocc 00:56:52 ohhh 00:59:58 http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/54088017876/that-was-not-supposed-to-work 01:01:14 hmm 01:01:17 nononon 01:16:09 *** Fuwb4R has parted #crytocc () 01:41:20 I wonder if I should just build my own kernel again 01:44:32 *** AnonO_o (AnonO_o@anonO_o) has joined #crytocc 01:57:40 *** skill3r (skill3r@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 02:23:05 *** ilikeapricot (app@ilikeapricot.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:26:29 *** Ari has quit (User quit: Leaving) 03:08:38 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:19:33 *** ilikeapricot has quit (Ping timeout) 04:20:27 *** x (foobar@cryto-4ABAF172.as5577.net) has joined #crytocc 04:32:33 *** AnonO_o has quit (User quit: twitter: @anonO_o) 04:45:36 *** cayce has quit (User quit: Leaving) 04:51:15 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 04:51:22 *** mama_ (me@cryto-BE25F493.noisetor.net) has joined #crytocc 04:51:27 *** mama_ is now known as mama 05:28:41 *** skill3r has quit (User quit: skill3r) 08:15:59 *** cayce (cayce@cayce.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 08:24:30 *** z4H4R (ripper@cryto-4AF79E.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #crytocc 08:45:25 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 09:46:03 *** joepie91 has quit (Broken pipe) 10:16:45 *** mikaa has quit (Ping timeout) 10:24:25 *** LastOneStanding has quit (No route to host) 10:25:02 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:19:58 *** z4H4R has quit (User quit: Lost terminal) 11:54:16 *** ilikeapricot (app@ilikeapricot.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:02:10 *** mama_ (me@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 12:02:45 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 12:02:45 *** mama_ is now known as mama 12:43:32 *** dpk has quit (Ping timeout) 12:51:16 *** ebola has quit (User quit: Leaving) 13:05:04 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-D77D86A6.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 13:06:26 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 13:19:27 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 13:41:49 *** Cryto401 (Cryto401@D76842D3.8D0FDBA3.DA81B437.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:42:43 *** Cryto401 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 13:50:48 *** aHlTat (aHlTat@aHlTat.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:45:25 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:45:31 hey fellaz 14:45:35 (hi everybody) 14:45:43 what about mozilla's personas? 14:46:14 I can see the usual problem with storing everything in one single account 14:46:19 that's my worry 14:46:46 otherwise, it seems an optimal solution, for a non-techy person like me 14:49:24 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:16:50 *** zxcvbnm (~crack7765@zxcvbnm.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:19:52 *** landrone has parted #crytocc (None) 16:00:12 If you value convenience over federation, you'll love personas 16:01:06 Isn't this basically decentralised OpenID? 16:02:32 In fact, it still looks somewhat centralised because it still relies on a central mail server of your choice 16:03:50 is there a sane description of the technology behind Persona by now? 16:04:11 I remember that when I first looked at it (a few years ago?) there was not a single explanation around that actually *explained* to a random passer-by how it worked behind the scenes 16:04:12 It seems to be an attempt to fix the password reuse problem--but in fact it looks like its making it even worse because now all your accounts will be behind one password - your email account's password 16:04:21 joepie91: http://lloyd.io/how-browserid-works 16:09:39 so, a Mozilla blog tells me this: 16:09:41 With BrowserID, by design, your identity providers are not involved in the login transaction. This means they need not be aware of your entire Web activity, a significant privacy advantage. With OpenID, your identity provider is, unfortunately, a necessary participant in the login flow. 16:09:55 how exactly is this accomplished? the post you linked is far too verbose to take it in right now 16:10:46 With BrowserID, there is no communication whatsoever between the email server and the login server. 16:11:03 There is only communication between you and the two servers - you are the 'middle man' 16:11:30 okay, and that is accomplished how? 16:12:28 Your browser logs into the email server and requests an authentication 'certificate' that lasts for a few minutes, that your browser presents to the login server 16:12:41 Hence the login server can verify that you really own that email 16:12:49 Through public-key cryptography 16:13:26 (I'm not sure how the login server knows the certificates of the email server though) 16:14:25 if I'm getting this right, that is 16:16:05 It also assumes that you're fine with 1browser=1human, which may or may not apply to your personal context 16:16:27 Anyway, it seems like a more privacy-respecting alternative to 'login with Facebook' and 'login with blabla', but that's all 16:16:36 ^ 16:16:58 I doubt Facebook will implement this for example, it's against their business model 16:17:47 Plus in practice it's going to be as centralised as OpenID, since let's face it, the majority of typical users use GMail/Yahoo/Outlook/whatever 16:18:26 Though, it does seem neater than have a zillion 'login with this' 'login with that' buttons 16:19:49 cayce: at least in the current implementation, your browser isn't tied to your email... you enter your email everytime you want to login, and then you have to login to your email first 16:20:46 OH HEY THE CHROMIUM TEAM FINALLY FIXED THE CSS BUG 16:20:50 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=162117 16:20:58 not that they even *looked* at the issue report or anything 16:21:05 and it's only been there for 10 months so hey 16:21:18 lysobit: 16:21:19 (I'm not sure how the login server knows the certificates of the email server though) 16:21:22 this is what I am concerned about 16:21:52 because I feel an SSL-like weakness coming up here 16:24:17 "Public key(s) for gmail.com are obtained from a well-known location on their servers (specifics TBD)." 16:24:41 lol 16:24:49 that sounds bad 16:26:25 joepie91:) how do you mean fixed? As in fixed by accident? and has the fix shipped? 16:27:57 cayce: fixed as a result of a dupe issue 16:28:01 (apparently) 16:28:08 and yes, I can confirm that it actually does work correctly now 16:28:41 *** mama has quit (User quit: ciao ciao) 16:29:54 Linux 3.10.7 #1 SMP Sun Aug 18 20:57:28 PDT 2013 x86_64 x86_64 16:29:57 :D 16:31:32 joepie91:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_9PE2XdESw 16:33:15 cayce: that ended up sounding far better together with some Venetian Snares than it should have 16:33:31 quite nice, though :) 16:33:52 :) 16:38:19 *** mama (anon@cryto-C7034B1B.compute.is-1.greenqloud.com) has joined #crytocc 16:52:39 *** mama has quit (User quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 17.0.6/20130511124515]) 17:00:10 *** mama (me@975991F2.710198AB.DC50EE23.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:48:42 *** mama has quit (Client exited) 18:50:13 *** mama (me@F0845C18.5982FCB.42C12FD2.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:18:07 *** mama has quit (Client exited) 19:21:14 *** mama (me@cryto-69B96D3C.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 19:24:19 *** lolpwn has quit (User quit: lolpwn) 19:30:33 *** LastOneStanding has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:31:04 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:50:00 *** Cryto021 (Cryto021@282C93F.B370D9BE.22FD4FE0.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:50:08 *** Cryto021 has quit (User quit: Cryto021) 19:55:02 *** stanone (Adrian@LapAnon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:33:13 *** stanone has quit (Input/output error) 20:35:18 announcement: 'dnshistory' in debian's repo 20:35:21 check it out ;) 20:35:38 stores IP <--> domain names to avoid the lookup step 20:35:57 obviously, there will be some way to ad hoc lookup some hosts for updating IPs 20:36:02 (I hope) 21:09:16 *** x (foobar@cryto-4ABAF172.as5577.net) has joined #crytocc 21:12:07 anyone know of a online chinese electronics surplus store? 21:12:29 * monod zomgs. 21:14:01 lol 21:14:06 a bit random :P 21:14:52 * monod zomgs again. This time, pointing at that direction with his finger, trying to avoid responsabilities. (lulz) 21:17:56 gotta go dear friends! 21:18:01 the nighta is calling 21:18:04 byebyeeee 21:18:06 *** monod has quit (User quit: Quit) 21:32:37 *** LastOneStanding has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:33:02 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:07:11 *** landrone (Adrian@LapAnon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:32:30 *** joepie91 has quit (Broken pipe) 22:32:39 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 22:40:18 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 23:05:03 *** eggtimer (eggtimer@cryto-3E5B33EA.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 23:06:25 *** eggtimer has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 23:11:56 *** cayce has quit (User quit: Leaving) 23:46:07 *** LastOneStanding has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:47:22 *** LastOneStanding (lalalala@5C0B2CEF.B458528D.147E7205.IP) has joined #crytocc