00:01:25 *** x (foobar@cryto-4ABAF172.as5577.net) has joined #crytocc 00:05:03 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-5B31F1A8.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 00:06:24 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 00:09:51 lysobit:) the dick/boob ratio on that trap is way the fuck off 00:28:13 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 00:58:14 hola joepie91 01:02:52 ~startgh 01:03:01 ah, not botpie91 01:21:35 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 01:40:33 oh 01:40:36 missing botpie? 01:41:42 *** botpie91 (botpie91@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:41:54 also hai iceTwy! 01:48:04 https://twitter.com/joepie91/status/371207514580197377 01:48:05 sigh... 01:49:40 hai 01:52:24 iceTwy: jabber? 01:52:58 nah 01:52:59 too late 01:53:03 gotta sleep 01:53:05 but heh btw 01:53:17 https://github.com/iceTwy/get-chromium 01:54:39 heh 01:54:46 also, iceTwy, did you read my latest blog post yet? 01:54:47 re: YAN? 01:54:48 I forgot 01:54:55 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 02:07:29 *** AnonO_o (AnonO_o@anonO_o) has joined #crytocc 02:08:10 you make some really good points in the Joe, but I think an LLC would be better to protect the individuals and contributors from lawsuits from tards 02:08:27 s/in the/in the post/ 02:08:44 my regex sucks 02:25:06 *** Blackwidow (blackwidow@8E0F8B62.46D254F1.23B09CBC.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:25:49 joepie91: u got video of presentation? 02:25:58 or audio 02:45:33 *** ElectRo` (x@D8063FE8.DA3E8586.A0534C64.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:20:55 HiveResearch, https://archive.org/details/OHM2013-Partyvan 03:21:04 AnonO_o: because? 04:02:55 what part?my regex? 04:03:06 or the LLC 04:03:54 *** Blackwidow has quit (Ping timeout) 04:04:53 *** AnonO_o has quit (Input/output error) 04:05:19 *** Jeebus_Raptor has quit (Ping timeout) 04:05:51 i need a movie to watch 04:10:32 ElectRo`:) cloud atlas 04:14:46 oohh forgot about cloud atlas 04:14:58 i think im going with vanilla sky 04:15:27 kay 04:15:46 I also watched jack reacher recently, it was okay 04:15:56 but cloud atlas had me going WOAH every 5 mins 04:17:00 ive been trying to work on this list http://www.classreal.com/ 04:20:43 oh, tc has a list like that 04:30:16 *** Jeebus_Raptor (rahsti@CCF64E86.AA517E7E.DB3C1458.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:36:56 that's an awesome list 04:59:29 *** ElectRo` has quit (Input/output error) 06:13:32 *** Blackwidow (blackwidow@cryto-1088E1FE.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 06:48:26 *** x (foobar@47DC6ED3.BD906BBE.7A718692.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:58:32 *** Ari has quit (User quit: Leaving) 07:00:31 *** Blackwidow has quit (Ping timeout) 08:30:01 *** mikaa has quit (Ping timeout) 08:32:26 *** mikaa (mikaa@codito.ergo.sum) has joined #crytocc 08:38:24 I see a lot of reinventing of the wheel in the internet :S 08:38:46 because there are so many new people daily/weekly/monthly of course 08:52:08 Probably means info on the areas where this happens (and projects there) is scarce, inaccessible or not well-structured 08:52:38 That or they're subtly different wheels ;) 09:48:38 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 10:20:08 I think I've found my new religion 10:21:58 I'm a Pastafarianism and I believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe 10:22:44 lysobit: well, that took you a while :) 10:25:48 Well, I used to be a kopimist, but now I've been enlightened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1jJ-ttrSd8 10:42:38 Is that religion useful somehow? 10:48:23 Well yes, like other religions it is a useful guide to living a good and moral life. 10:48:38 It also sheds some light on how the universe was created 10:48:53 an invisible and undetectable Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe after drinking heavily 10:52:27 Which to be honest, makes sense... what was he thinking when he invented ass sweat? 11:11:59 oh btw MK, it might also be lack of info of mine of course 11:58:31 *** mama (me@cryto-69D306AA.dragonsweb.org) has joined #crytocc 12:56:39 *** Wod (Jaw@cryto-4A4143BE.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #crytocc 12:58:16 *** monod has quit (User quit: gotta go!) 12:58:31 *** Wod is now known as Patchwork 12:58:36 I'm bored out of my mind here guys. 12:59:20 ohai 12:59:35 AWW JOEPIE. 12:59:42 I finished that thing, by the way, 12:59:51 thing 12:59:52 ! 12:59:59 The thing. 13:00:05 With the realistic content generation. 13:00:16 Readable content, that is. 13:00:19 can't immediately recall 13:00:27 my mind is a bit derp today 13:00:31 Doesn't matter anyway, really. 13:00:36 so if you keep talking about it I might suddenly go "oh!" 13:00:45 and remember 13:00:45 :p 13:01:07 It's not really worth elaborating on. 13:01:18 Pointless busy work. 13:01:27 alright 13:01:35 I've been working on processing naptan/transxchange data 13:01:35 How've you been, then? 13:01:38 herp derp XML 13:01:42 Ah. 13:01:51 the documentation on transxchange 13:01:56 which is basically one XML schema 13:02:00 is a 290 page pdf 13:02:05 that is not a typo 13:02:11 Geese. 13:02:23 yes :| 13:02:27 and that doesn't include all info about NaPTAN 13:02:30 and NPTG 13:02:36 (or was it NTPG?) 13:02:47 context: UK public transport info stuffs 13:02:49 That sounds unpleasant. 13:03:07 meh 13:03:08 somewhat 13:03:14 on the one hand I like parsing stuffs 13:03:20 on the other hand, some things in there just make me go 13:03:21 WHYYYY 13:03:23 I've just been looking for another project. 13:03:30 can't say it's poorly designed though 13:03:32 Because I'm bored again. 13:03:34 *** daemon (daemon@94803323.BD851534.70E8BB7B.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:03:35 just very very verbose and extensive 13:03:41 heh 13:03:56 ohai daemon :) 13:04:04 does putting no drama in the topic actually work ;) 13:04:07 heya 13:04:11 daemon: to a degree, yes, it does 13:04:12 surprisingly 13:04:20 * daemon makes notes for future channels 13:04:29 instead of having to explain why I don't want drama 13:04:33 every time someone tries to cause it 13:04:33 HE'S TAKING NOTES. 13:04:34 I just say 13:04:35 IT'S A SPY. 13:04:39 "$name: read the topic" 13:04:43 ah :) 13:04:44 and that usually is enough to remind people 13:05:00 I can't do bad soap drama. 13:05:03 how are the projects going anyhow 13:05:11 Patchwork: loggy is the real spy in here 13:05:11 :P 13:05:17 daemon: slowly 13:05:18 very slowly 13:05:28 well least there moving I finally got one of my projectes to beta 13:05:29 I've been messing about with UK public transport data recently 13:05:34 oh yeah 13:05:38 and oh god transxchange 13:05:54 I mean, it's not *bad*, it's just far more verbose and extensive than I have the patience for 13:05:54 :P 13:06:08 lol 13:06:12 I expected it to be bad 13:06:13 manual = a 290 page PDF 13:06:14 makes a change 13:06:19 for one XML schema 13:06:20 basically 13:06:24 well at least its documented :) 13:06:32 oh, it's documented pretty well 13:06:36 much better than most stuff I work with anyway 13:06:49 and it's actually pretty sensible 13:06:54 sec, let me make a screenie 13:06:59 * joepie91 opens 290 page manual 13:07:13 yep im used to README written in notepad that is around 60 not-so-coherent lines of gibberish about weegie boards, larry wall and cpan modules that don't exist anymore 13:08:12 daemon; http://owely.com/5vwqWN 13:08:16 and heh, well, that's Perl for you :) 13:08:43 ;-) 13:08:46 but yeah 13:08:50 look at the screenie 13:09:00 that's basically an overview of the abstraction model in TransXChange 13:09:09 'service' tells you from what A to what B you're going 13:09:10 wow its a shame they don't keep the busses running as well as they keep the documentation for them 13:09:13 'route' tells you what's inbetween 13:09:21 journey pattern gives you relative times 13:09:31 vehicle journey gives you absolute times and deviation from journey pattern 13:09:33 and, heh 13:09:53 anyway, daemon , I set out to writing a journey planner 13:09:54 for the UK 13:09:56 a sane on 13:09:57 one * 13:10:03 there consistently late and or breaking down where I am 13:10:04 because until 2 days ago, I thought none existed 13:10:18 (and no, traveline and transportdirect are not valid answers - both are incomplete and crappy) 13:10:19 no there is one on one of the bus websites 13:10:24 see above 13:10:27 I think google kinda has one as well 13:10:30 it's probably either traveline or transportdirect 13:10:39 Google Transit is also incomplete 13:10:48 try anything outside London 13:10:52 or even on the edge of London 13:10:59 and quality quickly deteroriates 13:11:06 anyway, I found one that's actually seemingly complete, accurate, and not shit 13:11:10 and it does the rest of the world too 13:11:10 :P 13:11:18 http://www.rome2rio.com/ 13:11:46 well shit 13:11:59 thats quite impressive 13:12:01 it's *very* impressive 13:12:02 yes 13:12:10 it even does air travel 13:12:26 and if you give it a date (range) it gives you the up-to-date prices for that date 13:12:28 even has CO2 calculations 13:12:33 (most of the time) 13:12:37 and hotels near by 13:12:37 (CO2 calc breaks sometimes) 13:12:39 yes 13:12:45 and it lets you do multihop trips too 13:13:03 I'm genuinely impressed so far 13:13:04 :p 13:13:09 I bet the backend for this interacting with all those different services is a monster 13:13:13 haha 13:13:14 well 13:13:15 to be fair 13:13:18 it seems they got a very solid system 13:13:18 sec 13:13:24 http://www.rome2rio.com/html/coverage.html 13:13:45 holy heck 13:13:58 Rome2rio uses data from several sources including API data feeds, GTFS data, outsourced and in-house data entry. 13:13:58 Rome2rio uses data derived from Open Street Maps (c) OpenStreetMap contributors, CC-BY-SA. 13:14:13 http://www.gtfs-data-exchange.com/ 13:14:38 daemon: basically, they appear to be using all the sources I've found, plus then some, plus manual entry 13:14:50 its incredible 13:14:52 really 13:14:59 adding it to my favourites bar at least 13:15:09 you think you can do better? :P 13:15:24 well, rome2rio is not open-source/open-data! 13:15:25 :P 13:15:29 seriously though, no idea 13:15:35 you could do a wikipedia type one 13:15:39 so its mostly manual entry 13:15:45 lol 13:15:47 but the general populace keeps it upto date 13:16:01 yeah, let's have 4chan execute targeted vandalism campaigns on a journey planner 13:16:03 what could possibly go wrong 13:16:04 :P 13:16:09 hehe 13:16:22 Best. 13:16:23 I suspect a lot of people would suddenly mistakenly end up in front of the White House or something 13:16:24 Idea. 13:16:26 Ever. 13:16:43 *convinced* that they were heading for Cardiff 13:16:54 or something in a similar vein 13:16:54 :) 13:17:45 hmm im not so sure ... after all the users would only be enter where the trip starts from and where it goes 13:17:47 and via what method 13:18:10 obviously london, uk to edinbourgh, scotland is not going to goto cardiff 13:19:26 just saying that there would be plenty of opportunities for 4chan residents to fuck with people using a wikified journey planner :) 13:19:51 for this kind of thing you're probably going to need some kind of manual review 13:19:53 if you do manual entry 13:20:04 btw interesting random irc titbit 13:20:05 Consider this little comparison: if the read/write head were a Boeing 747, and the hard-disk platter were the surface of the Earth: 13:20:05 •The head would fly at Mach 800 13:20:05 •At less than one centimetre from the ground 13:20:05 •And count every blade of grass 13:20:05 •Making fewer than 10 unrecoverable counting errors in an area equivalent to all of Ireland. 13:20:18 anyway, more and more transport companies are releasing open data nowadays 13:20:32 daemon: heh, neat 13:20:56 oh also 13:20:57 man im so tired todayu 13:21:00 yah 13:21:01 daemon: you know Traveline? 13:21:04 yep 13:21:28 did you know that they open up their dataset under Open Government License? 13:21:30 (ie. MIT/BSD like) 13:21:36 thats retty cool 13:21:40 why are you investigating this btw 13:21:41 .license ogl 13:21:42 Sorry, could not find any licenses for that search term. 13:21:45 its a pretty off thing to suddenly do 13:21:48 aw 13:21:48 ofdd* 13:21:51 odd* 13:21:57 daemon: was trying to plan a trip in the UK 13:22:00 oh 13:22:10 couldn't find a single travel planner that actually gave me a proper complete trip with pricing included 13:22:16 decided to see if I could write my own 13:22:39 anyway 13:22:39 daemon: http://traveline.info/tnds-login-or-register.html 13:22:54 I sent in an application a few days ago, got my login data the next day iirc 13:23:14 (it's FTP, updated weekly) 13:23:18 hey I have something rather fun in one of my projects too 13:23:36 do tell 13:24:00 http://i.imgur.com/mR88YQE.png 13:24:07 Actually joepie, I totally do have a quesion. 13:24:22 How do you afford to stay on the internet twenty four seven and still take holidays? 13:24:30 http://i.imgur.com/UqoTg1t.png 13:24:35 Patchwork: how do you mean? 13:24:36 statistical bet analizer 13:24:41 with 1620% ROI 13:24:46 You're on here....constantly. 13:24:47 over 800 matches naalizer :P 13:24:49 How do you money? 13:24:51 analized* 13:25:15 0.884: 1.63 [right: 280][wrong: 39] 13:25:30 ...The fuck 13:25:34 Patchwork: I used to money through donations 13:25:39 I now money through paid open-source work 13:25:44 Ah. 13:25:49 (working from home) 13:26:14 and given I can't access half my shit and some other circumstances, I'm currently basically filling my day doing random code stuff and wondering what else to do 13:26:23 daemon: let me have a look 13:26:48 joepie91, I created a client/server POE framework and hooked the clients to a selenium model in a virutal box 13:26:59 to get an autonamouse firefox that logs into a betting site 13:27:10 it captchas every odd change and match twist which it stores in a postgres database 13:27:20 hmm 13:27:22 allowing me to run tests against the said datasets looking for patterns 13:27:23 why firefox? 13:27:34 > ls | grep -i test 13:27:34 test_football_favourite_from_match_start 13:27:34 test_football_halftime_favourite 13:27:34 test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead 13:27:34 test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead_dynamic 13:27:34 test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead_dynamic_range 13:27:34 test_football_with_2goal_lead 13:27:34 test_tennis_first_to_win_a_set 13:27:34 test_tennis_halftime_favourite 13:27:41 it was just the easiest one to do it against 13:27:46 selenium is developed to work with any browser 13:27:51 but firefox is the default 13:28:00 yes, but why do you need a browser? 13:28:13 because all betting sites are monstrocities wired together with javascript and flash 13:28:23 www::mech etc do not like such things 13:28:34 then use phantomjs :P 13:28:35 whereas by using browser automation I get all the javascript updates to odds when there live etc 13:28:41 .lucky phantomjs 13:28:42 or whattever Perl equiv there is 13:28:45 whatever* 13:28:49 .g phantomjs 13:28:49 joepie91: http://phantomjs.org/ 13:28:57 joepie91, and when it has to interact with flash? 13:28:58 .google phantomjs 13:29:02 hm. 13:29:06 daemon: wat 13:29:18 joepie91, as I said some of the gambling sites are flash based or at least partially 13:29:25 automating the entire browser was realyl alot easier 13:29:27 honestly, it would probably be much easier to just capture the traffic that the Flash applet sends over 13:29:34 and connect and read out directly 13:29:39 (Chrome dev tools lets you do this) 13:29:50 dood its 20 lines of code to just automate the browser :P 13:30:05 but performance! 13:30:05 :P 13:30:12 but anyhow method is a little bit of a moot point 13:30:14 800 matches 13:30:17 1620 % ROI 13:30:23 and its growing steadily as well 13:30:26 mm 13:30:27 thats a pretty impressive number 13:30:32 where's the catch? 13:30:38 just gone up again infact 13:30:39 0.884: 1.70 GBP [right: 283][wrong: 39][total: 322][rate: 87.89%] 13:30:45 1700 % ROI 13:31:15 out of 800 mnatches only 322 where suitable for this test 13:31:41 there is no catch really 13:31:45 its just plain old statistical analysis 13:31:50 see, daemon, my first thought on things like this is always 13:31:54 "why isn't everyone doing it?" 13:32:11 my generic answer is 13:32:18 "Because its to simple to work" 13:33:21 I'm actually interested in trying to replicate this, but I have no idea where I'd start. 13:33:43 Patchwork, to use what I used you just need 13:33:52 .google seleneium automation 13:34:02 .g selenium automation 13:34:03 joepie91: http://docs.seleniumhq.org/ 13:34:05 http://docs.seleniumhq.org/projects/ide/ 13:34:07 yep 13:34:16 there is a ruby/python/java/perl driver 13:34:35 navigating to a gambling site and start capturing odds and data 13:35:41 oh and don't bother with mysql 13:35:43 or sqlite 13:35:48 you want postgres as youry engine 13:35:53 you will soon get ALOT of rows 13:36:13 bettracker=> select count(*) from matches; select count(*) from odds; 13:36:13 count 13:36:13 ------- 13:36:13 1639 13:36:13 (1 row) 13:36:13 count 13:36:13 -------- 13:36:13 112759 13:36:13 (1 row) 13:36:20 thats only a week of data 13:37:13 Wouldn't there be far too many variables to make any kind of accurate guess, though? 13:37:30 Player changes, injuries, timeframe, weather conditions. 13:37:32 Etc etc etc. 13:37:57 Patchwork, thats why its done over a MASSIVE test set 13:38:10 the thought and calcualtions are based oin putting a small bet on every match 13:38:43 So you win 283 times and lose 39 times. 13:38:43 you might find this useful: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3uzFrwjr 13:38:50 Assuming you bet the same amount on everything, you gain. 13:38:51 yep 13:39:01 same amount on favourite under those conditions 13:39:01 yes 13:40:35 the number on the left is the timeinto the game to place the bet 13:40:37 > perl test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead_dynamic 13:40:38 Average runtime: 6505 at test_football_halftime_favourite_with_goal_lead_dynamic line 32. 13:40:38 0.88: 1.37 GBP [right: 288][wrong: 44][total: 332][rate: 86.75%] 13:40:38 0.881: 1.47 GBP [right: 287][wrong: 43][total: 330][rate: 86.97%] 13:40:42 so 0.881 13:40:47 is 13:40:54 LENGTH_OF_GAME * 0.881 13:40:59 is the time to place all those bets 13:41:00 to get that result 13:41:52 So...if you're getting these results. 13:42:06 Why aren't you having it automatically place the bets at a dollar each and letting it run? 13:42:17 (who says he isn't? :P) 13:42:21 I have roughly 23 weeks of results, but the first week of collecting was broken 13:42:23 software bugs etc.. 13:42:29 moving from sqlite to postgres (to many rows) 13:42:35 I want 4 weeks/1 month 13:42:40 of a test set 13:43:08 in that time I will write the automated betting as well; give me chance to double check my work 13:43:10 make sure its bang on perfect 13:43:41 I have roughly 2 weeks of results not 23* 13:44:39 joepie91, so yeah thats what I have been up to 8) 13:45:36 classy :) 13:45:45 the funny thing is I have enver gambled in my life 13:45:48 never* 13:45:56 I was just watching someone place bets on there tablet 13:46:09 and got the idea lol 13:47:42 Patchwork, oh one big thing as well, you will have trouble distinguishing what is a unique match and what is not, every bookie I have found so far will use the same link to there games so the 'msuid' key in the table works well as BASE32 of (match link) 13:48:00 natural primary key 13:48:24 I need more coffee 13:48:31 meh can't be bothered to make it 13:48:51 God, me too. 13:48:54 It's going to be a long night. 13:48:55 oh, about primary ketys 13:48:56