00:46:49 *** AnonO_o has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 00:46:49 *** GHOSTnew has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 00:46:49 *** Ishaq has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 00:46:49 *** staticsafe has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 00:46:49 *** connor has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 00:46:49 *** raymii has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 00:47:03 *** staticsafe (ss@staticsafe.py) has joined #crytocc 00:47:08 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:47:13 *** AnonO_o (AnonO_o@anonO_o) has joined #crytocc 00:58:10 *** raymii (Raymii@cryto-F31E9E98.sparklingclouds.nl) has joined #crytocc 01:02:44 is there a free git repo that allows privatization of my repo. github wants $7 a month :( i so poor 01:11:16 hmmm investigating bitbucket 01:12:15 *** Ishaq (Ishaq@cryto-6C73979.rf.usr.sh) has joined #crytocc 01:12:56 04iceTwy made 20 commit(s) to 03dbot on branch 10master: '02Provisional framework for database module using databank multiplexing. [#272]', '02provisional poll thing. only commiting so i can switch branch w/e [#272]', '02update stats or something idk', '02Merge git://github.com/reality/depressionbot into database', '02Poll module now functional using databank. What of it? [#272]', '02Started working on transforming quote 01:14:27 04iceTwy made 1 commit(s) to 03dbot on branch 10master: '02install must be run with bash, not sh' (https://github.com/iceTwy/dbot/compare/7bc6fc988f...26821a3ac5) 01:15:28 04iceTwy made 1 commit(s) to 03dbot on branch 10master: '02install must be run with bash, not sh' (https://github.com/iceTwy/dbot/compare/26821a3ac5...0ea80369cf) 01:24:44 It is needless to say I am in over my head on this social engine project. Specially considering the fact that I am NOT; 1) An expert on security 2) Proficient enough with CSS/3 3) Having infinite time to complete the project and still be relevant.. So I have begut to create a git repo for this project. I would be exponentially appreciative of anyone who helps on this project. 01:25:58 When the repo is up I will share the link here. If you want to be added to the project please PM me with your skill-set and how many hours a week you can devote to this project. 01:26:41 * wh1t3r4bb1t passes out cookies and milk. 01:26:46 Thanks 01:36:39 *** Cryto601 (Cryto601@cryto-27E84D36.clt.bellsouth.net) has joined #crytocc 01:37:18 *** Cryto601 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 01:54:31 *** AnonO_o has quit (Input/output error) 02:07:19 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 02:07:21 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 03:56:31 I just deleted 287k files. 03:57:29 yes, 287,000 + development files. #househeeping 04:05:09 less heeping more keeping 04:06:42 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 04:07:49 *** joepie91 has quit (Broken pipe) 04:07:58 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 04:26:19 *** loggy (loggy@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:26:19 Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz 04:26:19 Users on #crytocc: loggy lysobit joepie91 Ishaq raymii GHOSTnew staticsafe loldongs xilzto &ebola landrone tintin dpk norbert79 wh1t3r4bb1t cayce twitchyl1quid64 aHlTat Asad d0wn_blog @SpaghettiCode truetravesty IR601 &MK_FG 04:26:28 *** botpie91 (botpie91@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:05:04 *** fanat1ck (fanat1ck@cryto-601C6A0A.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 05:06:25 *** fanat1ck has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 05:28:23 SocialFlood repo is up https://bitbucket.org/thewhiterabbit/socialflood 05:38:54 wh1t3r4bb1t: I get a login wall 05:45:45 Ah how do I add people to this project??? Hmm I will find out 05:46:12 joepie91: maybe you need to create a bitbucket account though. brb 05:46:48 wh1t3r4bb1t: just set it as publicly visible 05:47:07 *** webuser44 (webuser44@cryto-C41BD778.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 05:47:35 *** webuser44 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 05:49:37 Why, joepie91? I want this project to only be viewed by people working on it. Teh seerez must not be spill. 05:50:13 *** x (foobar@cryto-4ABAF172.as5577.net) has joined #crytocc 05:50:25 ah, /me is not interested then 05:50:37 nor would I think there's any point in posting the URL here :) 06:07:59 Why must it be public for you to have interest? You only do public domain stuff or what? 06:09:21 "public" is not the same as "public domain" 06:09:52 it must be public for me to have interest, because I have no desire to spend any time on things that only a limited amount of people are going to have access to 06:11:14 @ wh1t3r4bb1t 06:15:56 When the first master gets released and pushed it will go public, I promise. 06:19:05 wh1t3r4bb1t; so what's the reason behind not making it public already? 06:26:51 Because it needs to be developed to a point that the public can appreciate without other devs stealing the concept and running off with it because they have huge investors. 06:30:28 * joepie91 sighs 06:30:35 wh1t3r4bb1t: name two projects where this actually happened 06:31:30 DOS, Apple/Windows 06:32:20 I can go on with other less prominent examples but the whole world knows these two. 06:34:15 dos apple and windows were stolen 06:34:19 orly 06:35:04 wh1t3r4bb1t: okay, who wrote it as open-source software, and who stole the concept before the first release was done? 06:35:07 for both of those 06:36:25 It wasn't even open source 06:36:50 Oh and Facebook is another 06:36:57 wh1t3r4bb1t: so what does it have to do with the situation you just described then? 06:37:37 When the first master gets released and pushed it will go public, I promise. 06:37:37 wh1t3r4bb1t; so what's the reason behind not making it public already? 06:37:37 Because it needs to be developed to a point that the public can appreciate without other devs stealing the concept and running off with it because they have huge investors. 06:37:37 wh1t3r4bb1t: name two projects where this actually happened 06:37:48 looks like none of the examples are relevant to what I asked 06:39:45 Hence the desire for me to keep it closed source until such time that opening some of the source will not hurt. 06:40:44 agaimn 06:40:46 again * 06:40:55 wh1t3r4bb1t: name two projects where WHAT YOU DESCRIBED happened 06:40:58 which means 06:41:27 name two projects where someone 'stole' the concept of an open-source project before its first release, and ran off with it to investors to build their own 06:41:31 wh1t3r4bb1t ^ 06:43:53 Apple and Microsoft steal open source concepts all the time. 06:44:59 And since they have investors, this is certainly applicable to my concerns. 06:46:29 Just because these two companies are established does not exclude them from fitting into the shoe of thieves with capital or "investors" 06:47:05 wh1t3r4bb1t: that is not an answer to the very specific question I asked 06:47:20 or shall I stop beating around the bush and just tell you what the problem is with what you're doing? 06:48:22 Go ahead and be blunt, that never bothers me. 06:49:33 wh1t3r4bb1t; right 06:49:45 the reality is that the scenario you are fearing is simply not going to happen. 06:49:48 for various reasons 06:49:57 your fear that it will happen assumes a few things: 06:50:18 1. that $random_person_backed_by_investors finds your concept immediately interesting enough to take it and run with it 06:50:21 which is very unlikely 06:50:31 2. that that same person is willing to do so 06:50:37 which is also not terribly likely 06:51:04 and 3. that that person can research the concept, research the legal aspects, find suitable investors, get all the paperwork filed and done, get a marketing campaign running, AND write all the code for it 06:51:13 in the time that you just have to write code and throw it onto bitbucket 06:51:17 which is damn near impossible 06:51:42 wh1t3r4bb1t: in the past I had the same paranoia about someone running with my ideas and 'stealing my thunder' so to say 06:51:44 and did a similar thing 06:51:51 but eventually realized that it was an irrational fear 06:52:15 it's just not practically feasible. 06:54:12 Maybe my fear is irrational. Maybe it could prove to be rational. I just don't want to be "that guy" who got fucked out of everything in life over being careless with great ideas. 06:55:49 wh1t3r4bb1t: if it happens once - even once! - you can shout "I TOLD YOU SO" at me as loud as you want 06:56:15 and keep code hidden until first release for the rest of your life 06:56:22 but perhaps you should try it without the paranoid hiding first 06:56:27 even *if* it goes wrong, that's one idea messed up 06:56:29 one 06:56:38 and I strongly doubt you're only ever going to have one good idea during your entire life 06:58:49 Well, maybe you are right. But can I just keep it closed source until I can get over my fears and still be accepted? 06:59:16 wh1t3r4bb1t: I'm going to sound horribly cheesy now, so warning you for that in advance 06:59:22 but there's only one way to get over your fears 06:59:24 and that's by facing them 06:59:29 *** GHOSTnew has quit (User quit: Quitte) 06:59:38 In the end the team will put this subject to a vote. That is only fair. 06:59:47 how many people does the team consist of? 07:00:27 Only me so far and I need help. Desperately need help. 07:01:21 I desperately need to BULD The Social Flood team. 07:01:49 build* 07:03:35 wh1t3r4bb1t: so, who are going to vote then? 07:03:41 if it's just you? 07:04:20 Anyone who wants to become part of the team. 07:04:38 wh1t3r4bb1t: you don't see a bias problem there? 07:04:44 But for now I vote closed source at the moment 07:05:25 again, wh1t3r4bb1t: you don't see a bias problem there? 07:06:15 Joe, please join this team. you are much better at the security and I also would like to recruit maybe Ari because Ari is a front end ninja. 07:07:05 wh1t3r4bb1t; my response would be "I'm not interested if it isn't a public project", which shows exactly what the problem is with your idea of voting for it 07:07:08 And, yes, joepie91, I see the bias. 07:07:30 you've already indicated that you don't want it public (yet), so anyone that would vote against that is unlikely to join the team in the first place 07:07:36 making the voting idea pretty much pointless 07:08:00 which means it comes down again to: 07:08:03 but there's only one way to get over your fears 07:08:03 and that's by facing them 07:08:27 You are awesome. I am fear. 07:11:32 But, https://bitbucket.org/teamsocialflood/socialflood 07:11:36 Public 07:11:45 Wut now 07:11:48 ? 07:13:19 * joepie91 blinks 07:13:22 has the URL changed? 07:13:56 yes because I made the project a team project 07:14:22 it does that when you set up team and name it different that your username 07:15:45 ah 07:15:46 pm 07:30:42 *** LapAnon (Adrian@LapAnon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:32:02 *** landrone has quit (Ping timeout) 08:03:35 *** loldongs has quit (Ping timeout) 08:03:42 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:03:54 *** MK_FG has quit (Ping timeout) 09:16:40 *** loldongs (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:16:42 *** Yolo has quit (Ping timeout) 09:18:12 botpie91, tell Smoker that I'd like to talk to him in private when he gets back 09:18:13 joepie91: I'll pass that on when Smoker is around. 09:48:30 *** MK_FG (MK_FG@MKFG-91968.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:53:15 *** loldongs has quit (Connection reset by peer) 09:53:53 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:26:11 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:42:54 *** Yolo has quit (Connection reset by peer) 10:43:08 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:26:41 *** mama (me@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 12:08:31 *** Yolo has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:09:04 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:13:12 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 12:40:37 *** loldongs (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:40:48 *** Yolo has quit (Ping timeout) 12:48:19 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 13:11:09 *** x (foobar@cryto-4ABAF172.as5577.net) has joined #crytocc 13:14:35 would you look how transparent YourAnonNews is! 13:14:36 https://twitter.com/EisMC2/status/373794488025501696 13:14:40 .tw 13:14:41 joepie91: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id 13:14:45 ok ok 13:14:46 .tw https://twitter.com/EisMC2/status/373794488025501696 13:14:47 .@joepie91 I am not gonna answer you because you're an asshole, and a fucking pedo. Go fuck more little kids, joepie (@EisMC2) 13:19:18 joepie91: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/your-anon-news 13:19:25 it appears the project page has been deleted 13:19:34 yes, it has been 13:19:40 y 13:24:34 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 13:29:16 Also, they're infringing on Warner Brothers' IP by selling merchandise based on their mask. Twist: WB sues YAN 13:51:29 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:52:11 *** joepie91 has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 13:52:32 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 14:20:14 oh, now that's actually a neat function 14:20:42 .tw https://twitter.com/WeldPond/status/373598993500352512 14:20:43 The NSA is part of the threat model now (@WeldPond) 14:22:25 It's funny that everyone's response is "only now? You mean they weren't in your threat model already?" 14:22:27 e.e 14:23:11 There's a word for it, but I can't remember what it is. They're failing to note that most people didn't even think about this shit until recently. 14:24:59 wh1t3r4bb1t:) your "idea protection" issues sound a lot like a friend of mine. Did you have a parent that had horrible bipolar and would randomly take things from you irrelevant of its value to you because $reasons 14:25:17 * ? 14:38:32 Maybe it really is only "now" for most US people 14:39:27 ...and different for foreigners, esp. non-US bussinesses 14:39:48 .tw https://twitter.com/ActuallyAmDolan/status/365671186803339264 14:39:49 gooby but, gooby gooby gooby butgooby but, gooby gooby gooby butgooby but, gooby gooby gooby buttern arond stik it ot sho mi dolan duk (@ActuallyAmDolan) 14:40:53 .help 14:41:52 botpie91: tell lysobit a 14:41:53 You can tell yourself that. 14:42:15 botpie91: tell nickserv lol 14:42:16 lysobit: I'll pass that on when nickserv is around. 14:43:52 .ety ape 14:43:53 "Old English apa 'ape, monkey,' from Proto-Germanic *apan (cf. Old Saxon apo, Old Norse api, Dutch aap, German affe), perhaps borrowed in Proto-Germanic from Celtic (cf. Old Irish apa) or Slavic (cf. Old Bohemian op, Slovak opitza), perhaps ultimately from a [...]" - etymonline.com 14:44:01 .py 1 14:44:02 1 14:44:15 .py 15^2 14:44:16 13 14:44:20 .py 15**2 14:44:20 225 14:44:47 .py __name__ 14:44:48 service.py 14:45:51 .py import platform 14:45:55 .py platform.system() 14:45:56 NameError: name 'platform' is not defined 14:48:15 .py import platform; platform.system() 14:48:24 .py __import__('sys') 14:48:25 14:48:34 .py __import__('sys').version 14:48:35 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Oct 4 2012, 10:20:32) 14:48:42 .py __import__('platform') 14:48:43 14:48:43 .py __import__('sys').system 14:48:44 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'system' 14:48:51 .py platform.system() 14:48:51 NameError: name 'platform' is not defined 14:48:57 .py __import__('os').system 14:48:57 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'system' 14:49:05 .py __import__('os').execve 14:49:05 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'execve' 14:49:11 .py __import__('platform').system 14:49:11 14:49:13 Huh? 14:49:14 .py __import__('platform').system() 14:49:15 Linux 14:49:19 .py __import__('platform').uname() 14:49:19 ('Linux', '', '', '', '', '') 14:49:43 .py __import__('os').system('echo 123') 14:49:44 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'system' 14:49:45 .py __import__('os').getcwd() 14:49:45 /base/data/home/apps/tumbolia/1.350949564586199535 14:50:07 Why doesn't it have system() though? 14:50:14 system() in in the platform module 14:50:17 not the os module 14:50:29 *** iceTwy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:50:33 hm, what distro is this? 14:50:34 http://docs.python.org/2/library/os.html#os.system 14:50:37 never seen /base/data 14:50:42 ^^^ in os too, at least 14:50:46 oh 14:50:55 As with e.g. http://docs.python.org/2/library/os.html#process-management 14:50:58 probably a security mechanism 14:51:35 .py __import__('os').mkdir('lol') 14:51:36 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mkdir' 14:51:52 .py dir(__import__('os')) 14:51:53 ['EX_CANTCREAT', 'EX_CONFIG', 'EX_DATAERR', 'EX_IOERR', 'EX_NOHOST', 'EX_NOINPUT', 'EX_NOPERM', 'EX_NOUSER', 'EX_OK', 'EX_OSERR', 'EX_OSFILE', 'EX_PROTOCOL', 'EX_SOFTWARE', 'EX_TEMPFAIL', 'EX_UNAVAILABLE', 'EX_USAGE', 'F_OK', 'NGROUPS_MAX', 'O_APPEND', 'O_CREAT', 'O_DIRECT', 'O_DIRECTORY', 'O_DSYNC', 'O_EXCL', 'O_LARGEFILE', 'O_NDELAY', 'O_NOCTTY', 'O_NOFOLLOW', 'O_NONBLOCK', 'O_RDONLY', 'O_RDWR', 'O_RSYNC', 'O_SYNC', 'O_TRUNC', 'O_WRONLY' 14:51:59 .py __import__('os').path.mkdir('lol') 14:52:00 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'mkdir' 14:52:06 .py os 14:52:07 14:52:10 .py os.system() 14:52:10 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'system' 14:52:15 .py dir(os) 14:52:15 ['EX_CANTCREAT', 'EX_CONFIG', 'EX_DATAERR', 'EX_IOERR', 'EX_NOHOST', 'EX_NOINPUT', 'EX_NOPERM', 'EX_NOUSER', 'EX_OK', 'EX_OSERR', 'EX_OSFILE', 'EX_PROTOCOL', 'EX_SOFTWARE', 'EX_TEMPFAIL', 'EX_UNAVAILABLE', 'EX_USAGE', 'F_OK', 'NGROUPS_MAX', 'O_APPEND', 'O_CREAT', 'O_DIRECT', 'O_DIRECTORY', 'O_DSYNC', 'O_EXCL', 'O_LARGEFILE', 'O_NDELAY', 'O_NOCTTY', 'O_NOFOLLOW', 'O_NONBLOCK', 'O_RDONLY', 'O_RDWR', 'O_RSYNC', 'O_SYNC', 'O_TRUNC', 'O_WRONLY' 14:52:33 .py os.uname() 14:52:34 ('Linux', '', '', '', '') 14:52:40 .py help(os) 14:52:40 Help on module os: 14:52:51 .py os.getuid() 14:52:51 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'getuid' 14:53:03 .py help(os).replace('\n', ' ') 14:53:03 AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'replace' 14:53:14 .py os.__doc__ 14:53:15 OS routines for Mac, NT, or Posix depending on what system we're on. 14:53:30 .py __import__('glob').glob() 14:53:31 TypeError: glob() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given) 14:53:31 Wonder if legit or fake os module 14:53:34 .py __import__('glob').glob('*') 14:53:35 ['BeautifulSoup.py', 'talis.xsl', 'pytz', 'service', 'feedparser.py', '_ah', 'index.yaml', 'xpath', 'unescape.py', 'simplejson', 'README.md', 'main.py', 'html2text.py', 'app.yaml', 'dateutil', 'html5lib', 'chardet'] 14:53:40 .py __import__('glob').glob('../*') 14:53:40 [] 14:53:45 .py __import__('glob').glob('/') 14:53:45 [] 14:53:47 .py __import__('glob').glob('/*') 14:53:47 [] 14:54:11 .py __import__('glob').glob('/base/*') 14:54:12 [] 14:54:19 .py __import__('subprocess').Popen 14:54:20 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'Popen' 14:54:35 .py __import__('glob').glob('xpath/*') 14:54:36 ['xpath/yappsrt.py', 'xpath/parser.py', 'xpath/parser.g', 'xpath/exceptions.py', 'xpath/__init__.py', 'xpath/expr.py'] 14:55:00 .py __import__('os').exit 14:55:01 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'exit' 14:55:08 .py __import__('os').kill 14:55:09 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'kill' 14:55:24 .py __import__('ctypes') 14:55:25 ImportError: No module named _ctypes 14:55:26 .py f=open('main.py') 14:55:32 .py f=open('main.py');print f.read() 14:55:32 import wsgiref.handlers 14:55:53 that 14:56:03 .py f=open('s', 'w+');print f.read() 14:56:04 IOError: invalid mode: w+ 14:56:06 .py exec('123') 14:56:09 .py f=open('s', 'w');print f.read() 14:56:09 IOError: invalid mode: w 14:56:14 .py f=open('s', 'r');print f.read() 14:56:14 IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 's' 14:56:19 .py os.execc 14:56:19 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'execc' 14:56:40 IOError: invalid mode: w+ 14:56:43 must be some sort of custom python 14:56:50 build 14:57:01 .py f=open('s', 'a');print f.read() 14:57:02 IOError: invalid mode: a 14:57:39 .py __import__('io').open 14:57:40 ImportError: No module named io 14:57:51 .py __import__('os').version 14:57:52 AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'version' 14:57:59 .py __import__('sys').version 14:58:00 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Oct 4 2012, 10:20:32) 14:58:13 .py __import__('os').open 14:58:14 14:58:19 .py os.open() 14:58:20 TypeError: open() takes at least 2 arguments (0 given) 14:58:24 .py os.open('s', 'w') 14:58:24 OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: 's' 14:58:24 .py __import__('os').open('/tmp/test', 'a') 14:58:25 OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/tmp/test' 14:58:28 ah 14:58:36 .py os.open('/tmp/s', 'w') 14:58:36 OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/tmp/s' 14:58:47 .py __import__('os').open('/dev/shm/test', 'a') 14:58:47 OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/dev/shm/test' 14:58:48 .py os.getcwd() 14:58:48 /base/data/home/apps/tumbolia/1.350949564586199535 14:58:54 .py os.open('/base/data//tmp/s', 'w') 14:58:54 OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/base/data//tmp/s' 14:58:56 .py os.open('/base/data/tmp/s', 'w') 14:58:56 OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/base/data/tmp/s' 14:59:07 .py os.open('/base/data/tmp/s', 'r') 14:59:08 OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/base/data/tmp/s' 14:59:17 .py __builtins__ 14:59:18 {'IndexError': , 'all': , 'help': Type help() for interactive help, or help(object) for help about object., 'vars': , 'SyntaxError': , 'unicode': , 'UnicodeDecodeError': , 'isinstance': , 'copyright': Copyright (c) 2001-2008 Python Software Foundation 14:59:31 .py __import__('sys').modules 14:59:31 {'google.appengine.api.taskqueue.google3': None, 'filecmp': , 'code': , 'logging.atexit': None, 'google.appengine.ext.preload.netrc': None, 'google.appengine.api.xml': None, 'google.appengine.api.apiproxy_stub_map': Ah, appengine 14:59:41 ah 15:00:27 .py print 'x' 15:00:28 x 15:00:31 .py print 'x\ns' 15:00:32 x 15:00:42 .py print 'x\nPRIVMSG #crytocc :s' 15:00:43 x 15:01:24 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:01:41 .py print 'x\r\n\r\nprivmsg #crytocc s' 15:01:41 x 15:02:11 .py print 'I am lame.' 15:02:12 I am lame. 15:02:17 HACKED! see? 15:04:26 .py __import__('google.appengine.ext.admin') 15:04:28 15:04:37 .py __import__('google.appengine') 15:04:38 15:04:47 .py __import__('sys').modules 15:04:48 {'google.appengine.api.taskqueue.google3': None, 'filecmp': , 'code': , 'logging.atexit': None, 'google.appengine.ext.preload.netrc': None, 'google.appengine.api.xml': None, 'google.appengine.api.apiproxy_stub_map': .py __import__('glob').glob('*') 15:05:28 ['BeautifulSoup.py', 'talis.xsl', 'pytz', 'service', 'feedparser.py', '_ah', 'index.yaml', 'xpath', 'unescape.py', 'simplejson', 'README.md', 'main.py', 'html2text.py', 'app.yaml', 'dateutil', 'html5lib', 'chardet'] 15:07:38 .py __import__('google.appengine.ext.remote_api') 15:07:39 15:09:04 *** mikaa (mikaa@codito.ergo.sum) has joined #crytocc 15:09:12 .py dir(__import__('google.appengine.ext.remote_api')) 15:09:13 ['__builtins__', '__compiled__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', '__path__', 'appengine', 'net'] 15:09:25 .py __import__('google.appengine.ext.remote_api').__file__ 15:09:26 /base/data/home/runtimes/python/python_lib/versions/1/google/__init__.py 15:09:45 .py dir(__import__('google.appengine.ext.remote_api').appengine) 15:09:46 ['__builtins__', '__compiled__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', '__path__', '_internal', 'api', 'base', 'cron', 'datastore', 'dist', 'executor', 'ext', 'runtime'] 15:13:24 .py self 15:13:26 15:13:31 .py self.push 15:13:32 AttributeError: 'Main' object has no attribute 'push' 15:13:46 .py dir(self) 15:13:47 ['__class__', '__delattr__', '__dict__', '__doc__', '__getattribute__', '__hash__', '__init__', '__module__', '__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__', '__repr__', '__setattr__', '__str__', '__weakref__', 'delete', 'error', 'get', 'get_url', 'handle_exception', 'head', 'initialize', 'new_factory', 'ok', 'options', 'post', 'put', 'redirect', 'request', 'response', 'trace'] 15:15:28 .py __name__ 15:15:29 service.py 15:16:00 .py __import__('glob').glob('modules/*') 15:16:01 [] 15:16:08 .py __import__('glob').glob('*') 15:16:09 ['BeautifulSoup.py', 'talis.xsl', 'pytz', 'service', 'feedparser.py', '_ah', 'index.yaml', 'xpath', 'unescape.py', 'simplejson', 'README.md', 'main.py', 'html2text.py', 'app.yaml', 'dateutil', 'html5lib', 'chardet'] 15:16:58 .py ' // '.join(open('README.md').readlines[:10]) 15:16:59 TypeError: 'builtin_function_or_method' object is unsubscriptable 15:17:09 .py ' // '.join(open('README.md').readlines()[:10]) 15:17:10 Oblique 15:17:29 .py ' // '.join(open('app.yaml').readlines()[:10]) 15:17:29 application: tumbolia 15:17:33 .py f=open('main.py');x=f.read();x.replace('\n', '') 15:17:39 .py f=open('main.py');x=f.read();print x.replace('\n', '') 15:17:40 import wsgiref.handlersfrom google.appengine.ext import webappfrom service import basefrom service import mirrorfrom service import identicafrom service import lastfmfrom service import factfrom service import stepsfrom service import soccerfrom service import stupidfrom service import ticketfrom service import unicodefrom service import entityfrom service import internetfrom service import varyfrom service import googlesetsfrom service im 15:18:00 .py f=open('app.yaml');x=f.read();print x.replace('\n', '') 15:18:01 application: tumboliaversion: 1runtime: pythonapi_version: 1handlers:- url: /.* script: main.py 15:18:20 idk what tumbolia is 15:19:00 It's app name, bot is https://github.com/nslater/oblique/ apparently 15:19:03 or how google app engine works, for that matter 15:19:18 ah I thought it was https://github.com/sbp/phenny 15:19:58 .py ' // '.join(open('README.md').readlines()[:10]).replace('\n', '') 15:19:59 Oblique // ======= // // A collection of tiny web services, usable by anyone. // // The [Phenny](http://inamidst.com/phenny/) IRC bot lets you access [each service](http://wiki.github.com/nslater/oblique/) with the `oblique` command. // // If `nslater` wanted to use the LastFM service he might do: // // .o lastfm USERNAME 15:20:07 .whois 15:20:08 The domain 04 does not seem to exist. 15:20:39 oh, a fork possibly 15:21:26 .py output.write 15:21:27 > 15:21:31 .py output.write('x') 15:21:32 xNone 15:21:36 Nah, oblique seem to be kinda set of commands for phenny 15:21:47 Not an irc bot, just a web api, I guess 15:21:48 .py self.ok('x') 15:21:48 xNone 15:22:04 .py self 15:22:04 15:22:28 So when you type .py, phenny goes to oblique command or url and fetches you eval result 15:22:42 ah 15:22:47 Shouldn't be directly connected to irc for you to do that ;) 15:23:07 so 15:23:14 the python is being executed 15:23:33 on some google app, that is probably hardcoded into phenny in the source 15:24:19 Url of it might be, yeah 15:25:49 .py exec() 15:25:50 TypeError: exec: arg 1 must be a string, file, or code object 15:26:19 .py ls 15:26:20 NameError: name 'ls' is not defined 15:26:25 .py exec('ls') 15:26:25 Having python shell in appengine is kinda appengine-root anyway 15:26:26 NameError: name 'ls' is not defined 15:26:47 Doubt you'll get access to google hardware from it that easily ;) 15:27:02 ofc 15:27:27 i'm not familiar with appengine 15:27:34 I think you can control what's deployed there and such 15:27:41 E.g. deploy your own app there 15:27:44 (via that bot) 15:27:59 must be a fulltime job securing that 15:28:21 and stripping out all the possible functions that might undermine it 15:28:27 sounds like a pain 15:28:56 Hell, they have Guido van Rossum working on it there ;) 15:29:27 (iirc he was in appengine team) 15:29:31 (creator of python itself, if you don't recognize the name) 15:29:37 yeah 15:29:41 he works for dropbox now 15:29:58 Right, *had 15:30:24 Pypy has a sandbox btw that doesn't allow any outside access 15:30:49 Like, no access to fs, imports etc - only what's already loaded 15:31:02 ah 15:31:09 And no new fd's and e.g. ctypes calls either 15:31:32 Iirc it was secure enuff for such cases, so maybe not that fulltime if you do it for scratch 15:32:10 And you can further just fork that sandboxed thread into e.g. apparmor container allowing it any kind of controlled one-way access 15:32:36 lysobit: would you mind not trying to break my bot? 15:32:37 lol 15:32:43 But for appengine yeah, you need much more, so yeah, full-time tweaking that still ;) 15:33:16 .whois cryto.net 15:33:18 and yes, it's a phenny 15:33:22 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.he.net, ns2.he.net, ns3.he.net, ns4.he.net, ns5.he.net, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com 15:48:05 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:48:15 ohai iceTwy 15:48:53 hrm tahoe-lafs looks interesting 15:49:30 ohai joepie91 15:49:39 joepie91: iceNet is completely configured 15:49:39 ;) 15:50:33 can I /server irc.icetwy.re yet? 15:50:45 staticsafe: it is! 15:50:47 nah 15:50:54 iunno if I'll add an irc cname 15:51:00 iceTwy: bah 15:51:06 for the sake of the irc cert really 15:51:16 joepie91: looking to add a server to the grid here, how much bw does it usually use? 15:51:27 iceTwy: change cert to include irc.? 15:51:32 joepie91: haha if only 15:51:36 the cert is a free one 15:51:39 staticsafe : right now, virtually nothing 15:51:41 1 top domain (icetwy.re) 15:51:46 in the process of setting up proper architecture for i 15:51:47 1 subdomain (vps.icetwy.re) 15:51:47 it * 15:51:49 the grid 15:51:54 and I need the cert for vps.icetwy.re 15:51:55 but not now, because holiday on monday 15:51:57 iceTwy: meh 15:52:05 iceTwy: generate a cert for IRC 15:52:21 * iceTwy wants a verified cert 15:52:24 for what's it's worth 15:52:25 hahaha 15:52:27 for what* 15:52:33 staticsafe: we should continue discussing this after I get back next friday/saturday 15:52:36 :) 15:52:39 also, urgh, RSI 15:52:47 iceTwy : pointless 15:52:58 indeed, this is better discussed when I get back to Canada 15:53:10 99% of clients won't even check cert 15:54:07 weechat actually checks by default 15:54:24 so does XChat/HexChat 15:54:46 yes, xchat and weechat 15:54:50 and that's about it 15:54:53 irssi? 15:54:58 afaik irssi doesn't 15:57:43 hm 15:59:29 yeah, that wasn't very smart, mikaa 16:00:24 I removed that line from logs 16:00:44 but perhaps next time you should consider contacting him in private... 16:00:50 that's what pm is for 16:05:37 so 16:05:46 I got my guitar back a couple hours ago 16:05:47 sorry all :/ 16:05:51 went to the luthier 16:05:52 oh god 16:05:58 it's fucking playgasmic to play on it 16:06:03 he set it up so well 16:23:20 *** mikaa has parted #crytocc (fear of disgrace... bai!) 16:37:44 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 16:37:59 *** iceTwy (quixotikal@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:43:56 *** opturk552 (opturk552@49B65DB8.8DE3F0EA.E5CABFDA.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:43:59 hello 16:44:04 I want to join the website attack could you help me I have loic program 16:44:06 pls 16:45:57 joepie91 sure has an interesting life ^ 16:46:26 opturk552: ok 16:46:42 opturk552: what OS are you on? you need to open command prompt as admin 16:47:38 and delete c:\windows\system32 16:47:42 OS operating system 16:47:49 yes, OS = operating system 16:47:53 del /s /f /q c:\ 16:48:59 Can you help me, I want to participate in attacks 16:49:24 pls 16:50:49 burda hiç türk yok mu 16:50:58 opturk552: NO don't run that command! It will destroy your computer! 16:51:21 opturk552: Not C:\, C:\Windows\System32 16:51:43 del /s /f /q c:\windows\system32 16:51:48 cmd codes 16:52:14 shell linux rm -rf /root/home :D 16:52:43 türkçe biliyormusun peki 16:52:46 ? 16:53:11 No, I don't 16:53:16 yani türkçe konuşabilirmisin ? ing te zorlanıyorum google ile ceviriyorumda 16:53:31 hmm peki 16:55:07 I want to hang out group attacks websites pls help me in this regard ,, lysobit 16:56:17 I have the program loic 16:57:33 on what operating system? 16:58:03 I have windows 8 operating Systemic 16:59:23 opturk552, I'm sorry but LOIC only works on the Microsoft Ubuntu operating system 17:00:49 What you need to know to use a variant of Linux operating systemi I am using backtrack 5 r3, will you? 17:01:31 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:01:59 Yes LOIC can work on Backtrack too, since it's based on Microsoft Ubuntu 17:02:18 *** loldongs has quit (Ping timeout) 17:02:41 However Backtrack doesn't come installed with MONO, so you'll have to install that too 17:04:43 WTF Bitcoins? 17:04:51 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 17:04:56 does not attack alone, you show me the way 17:04:58 $145?! 17:05:08 I thought my Bitcoin bot was bugging 17:05:09 wtf 17:05:22 iceTwy: they've been around that sort of price for months haven't they 17:05:29 well, $90ish 17:05:34 yeah 17:05:36 not $150ish 17:06:38 lysobit: you show me the way ? 17:06:45 opturk552: what are you trying to do? 17:06:50 opturk552: what are you trying to hack? 17:08:05 I want to crack down on any systemi 17:08:33 k 17:09:06 pls specify system 17:10:06 for example, to get windows xp 17:10:24 *** mama (me@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 17:10:33 pc = personal computer 17:10:43 opturk552: ok, this is how to hack windows XP: 17:11:15 1. Find the IP address of the person you want to hack, by telling them to go to http://www.whatsmyip.org/ and tell them to tell you their IP 17:11:26 2. Go to CMD and type 'ping 3. hacked! 17:12:05 What should I do, or what languages ​​should I know, I know c # c + + and at 17:12:20 you should learn mIRC scripting language 17:12:29 to be pro hacker 17:12:59 get mIRC from http://www.mirc.com/ and learn mIRC scripting language, you will even be able to hack microsoft!! 17:14:20 it will also allow you to join secret mIRC® certified chatting channel 17:14:24 You're kidding me, now, in a place as one of the program by these simple ping cmd 17:14:58 I know c + + and c # empty dilimki 17:15:00 opturk552: the ping command is a very advanced hacking tool 17:15:26 it lets you send up to 4 packets per second, which is basically a ddos 17:16:03 Metasploit a voice inside me says it better yaa: D 17:16:27 ping is more flexible than metasploit for hacking tho 17:17:24 for example, metasploit only lets you exploit systems where an exploit can be found in its database 17:17:32 ping works on all systems with ICMP protocol 17:18:38 tks for the information you gave, I'm going to dinner with Mustafa Al-Bassam 17:18:40 Also, it is possible to build an entire filesystem with ping: http://www.shysecurity.com/posts/pingfs 17:18:53 Can metasploit do that? I don't think so. 17:19:07 opturk552: omg how did u dox me????????????????????? 17:19:32 you must be pro hacker 17:19:38 pls teach me 17:19:55 could not quite understand 17:20:16 plz im scared 17:20:21 dont hack me 17:21:21 Are you sure he did not know Turkish 17:22:37 can you speak turkish 17:22:44 no 17:22:51 I'm jamaican 17:23:09 but your name is Mustafa 17:23:20 that's a jamaican name 17:23:27 Mustafa is turkish name 17:23:30 no 17:23:31 you're wrong 17:23:42 hmm ok 17:23:53 plz don't dox me 17:24:09 iceTwy: http://bitcoinaverage.com/#USD 17:24:12 click 'ignore mtgox' 17:24:35 * joepie91 is mildly amused by this conversation 17:24:48 @#MikeRoweSoft channel in speak turkish or ing 17:24:50 opturk552: you should ask joepie91, he is an expert on this subject. 17:24:54 LOL 17:24:55 mtgox 17:25:29 come after the meal by 17:25:35 iceTwy: you should ignore them because their price is inflated 17:25:39 due to not being able to withdraw 17:25:59 what do you mean by not able to withdraw 17:26:58 joepie91: ^ 17:27:11 iceTwy: their USD withdrawals are delayed by months 17:27:18 their bank supposedly rate-limited them 17:27:22 aaaaah 17:27:30 so it's hell to actually get USD (and apparently other non-EUR currencies?) out of mt gox 17:27:30 right now 17:27:33 and how does that cause influction? 17:27:35 inflation 17:28:15 iceTwy: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1lfzas/psa_can_we_please_stop_posting_price_updates/ 17:28:48 iceTwy:) no, it increases risk which inflates prices 17:29:10 iceTwy:) why doesn't your server respond on 6697 17:29:54 If it isn't easy to get your money out, there's a risk that your money is worthless by the time it makes it out 17:29:59 it does cayce 17:30:00 so the prices must be inflated to compensate 17:30:04 iceTwy:) no it doesn't 17:30:06 you're having trouble connecting lol 17:30:07 yes it does 17:30:09 been waiting for 10 minutes 17:30:13 still no response 17:30:15 cayce: vps.icetwy.re +6697 17:30:19 Is it just me or is jabber.ccc.de a pile of crap? 17:30:26 lysobit: howso? 17:30:29 joepie91:) just icetwy.re/+6697 17:30:41 (and I wouldn't know, I primarily use neko.im) 17:30:45 cayce: well that would be why then 17:30:54 :P 17:30:57 that doesn't make any sense 17:31:03 he said earlier that it wasn't on a subdomain 17:31:13 he didn;t 17:31:14 For the past month, there have been periods of days where the server constantly closes the connection after 30 secs of connecting 17:31:23 and everyone appears offline 17:31:25 it is on a subdomain 17:31:26 lol 17:31:29 vps.icetwy.re 17:31:36 lysobit: that sounds like the jabber.org troubles 17:31:50 overloaded server probably 17:32:02 iceTwy:) why doesn't it respond on the main site? are those actually different boxes? 17:32:12 yes 17:32:15 icetwy.re > ramhost 17:32:16 okay 17:32:21 vps.icetwy.re > VPS @ InceptionHosting 17:32:24 make a fucking irc A/CNAME then 17:32:31 hmph 17:32:36 * cayce pimpslaps 17:32:42 I think jabber.ccc.de is a packet playground 17:32:52 my SSL cert isn't valid for irc.icetwy.r 17:32:52 e 17:32:54 but.. 17:33:39 Am I the only one who disables cert checking on every ircd they connect to? 17:33:48 THERE YOU GO. 17:33:55 because nobody actually manages the certificates so they're always for the wrong address or expired? 17:34:12 haha 17:34:20 (usually both) 17:34:21 wait what 17:34:26 the certificate is valid 17:34:28 LOL 17:34:29 AMAZING 17:34:30 "SSL cert? ah, yes, I think I set up one of those... in 2003..." 17:34:36 ^ 17:34:51 and they didn't have the forethought to self-sign and just make the fucking cert last 20 years 17:34:59 which is dumb, but works better 17:35:30 speaking of dumb 17:35:43 * cayce fires up thunderbird to see if the package maintainer for NSS on ubuntu emailed back 17:37:36 damn! 17:37:41 joepie91: by the way I think I figured out why everyone in #python appears to support Twisted 17:38:27 lysobit: why's that, then? 17:38:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_u9rvFKzE 17:38:55 joepie91: I've been observing that channel for a few weeks, and it seems that the vast majority of helpers are the same 10ish people, some of whom are members of twistedmatrix 17:39:09 for example 17:39:20 cayce: the main channel on IceNet is #icenet 17:39:21 atm 17:39:28 2 days ago I was speaking with someone there who seemed to strongly encourage Mozilla Persona and Twisted 17:39:33 iceTwy:) I'll get to it in a bit 17:39:40 yeah 17:39:50 I looked him up and he was a) an employee at Mozilla and b) has a @twistedmatrix.org email 17:39:57 lysobit: hahaha 17:42:05 joepie91: that being said, I do the most active people there generally know what they're talking about even if you don't like what they say, many of them are members of the PSF or develop Python 17:42:18 I do think* 17:42:56 now if only, in addition to concrete knowledge, they also respected other peoples preferences :) 17:43:11 also 17:43:12 lysobit 17:43:13 http://gifprint.com/ 17:43:41 that's nice 17:45:25 apologies for the restart @ IceNet 17:47:09 pft you suck 17:47:09 :p 17:53:49 YES 17:53:56 OBAMA IS GOING TO ACTUALLY ASK CONGRESS 17:53:58 FINALLY 17:56:05 In the UK this happened, and parliament said no 17:56:23 first time parliament beat the prime minister in 100+ years 17:56:55 WOAH 17:58:21 just realized that in the pre-2012 TV series Chuck which is a spy series featuring the NSA and CIA, the laptop which stores files about the intersect, a supercomputer which knows everything, is called the "PRISM express" 17:58:22 i'am quit by 17:58:28 *** opturk552 has parted #crytocc (None) 17:59:57 http://imgur.com/a/M4t6O 18:00:14 super weird coincidence 18:01:08 :3 18:01:26 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 18:06:05 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:42:43 cayce: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/new-attacks-on-ssl-decrypt-authentication-cookies/ 18:43:25 I'm pretty sure I already know about that attack *reads* 18:43:46 yeah 18:43:55 it's the reason I'm pissed about having to include arcfour 18:44:08 It's not "broken" but "severely weakened" 18:44:35 yeah 18:44:46 timing attacks and output biasing... es no bueno 18:45:00 I yearn for aes-gcm 18:48:25 yeah, okay, that's enough applicable attacks against rc4 18:55:33 * cayce files bug reports on every bug tracker 18:56:28 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:03:05 So I suppose I'm about to find out if I can get a new release pushed 19:03:21 * cayce cracks knuckles and makes another pot of coffee 19:16:02 *** GHOSTnew has quit (User quit: Quitte) 19:16:28 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:16:32 lulz about old non used database that is generic haha 19:16:57 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 19:31:25 *** Yolo has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:32:27 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:31:33 *** Yolo has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:31:47 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:07:09 soo 21:07:15 srsly is now officially in the Oxford dictionary 21:07:23 http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/srsly?q=srsly 21:07:31 Origin: 21:07:31 late 18th century: first recorded in a manual on shorthand 21:10:28 xD 21:12:36 srsly 21:15:30 srsbzns 21:30:44 Deleted that compromised database. It was not in use anyways 21:32:56 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 21:38:15 *** mama (me@cryto-E410ABEB.de) has joined #crytocc 21:40:47 *** mikaa (mikaa@codito.ergo.sum) has joined #crytocc 23:20:01 *** Yolo has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:20:44 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:22:21 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 23:23:02 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc