00:14:55 *** t0p has quit (User quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]) 00:20:31 What is the command that sends offline mail? 00:20:37 /msg msgserv? 00:20:42 /msg mailserv? 00:22:59 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 00:44:55 *** Macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 00:46:28 Your mom sends offline mail! 00:47:26 *** mama (me@1A6F0E89.F679247E.F436A453.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:01:53 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@cryto-1DE70A98.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #crytocc 01:12:09 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 01:32:18 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:43:30 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:44:14 *** loldongs has quit (Ping timeout) 02:33:57 Why i get this: SQLSTATE[55000]: Object not in prerequisite state: 7 ERROR: currval of sequence "users_id_seq" is not yet defined in this session 02:34:21 When I just did insert previous to this^^ 02:34:56 Makes no sense unless insert is failing but then why no exception thrown either? 02:35:08 Confucious want to know. 02:40:39 Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/1rdJYc38 02:41:48 last line is where it fails with the 55000 exception but there is no exception being thrown for the try statement. fuck me this is suck 03:26:47 *** Macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 03:34:28 loggy, dance? 03:36:46 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@cryto-1DE70A98.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #crytocc 03:38:07 I know how much you like hashes. So, I put your hash through a hash so you can hash while you hash! 03:47:08 *** Yolo has quit (Ping timeout) 03:47:43 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:49:43 I cloned bootstrap :O 03:50:49 I will not clone the hamfisted faggotry that is their "responsive menu" 04:03:45 lol at hamfisted 04:05:04 *** eggtimer (eggtimer@cryto-F62D144D.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 04:06:26 *** eggtimer has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 04:10:26 It's a great word 04:12:00 do you even bleach bro? 04:12:41 wat 04:13:20 bleach what :O 04:13:59 mmm 04:14:05 wine with sediment 04:18:05 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 04:18:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_9PE2XdESw 04:19:10 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 04:19:23 ohai joe 04:20:20 joepie91:) https://explodie.org/test/index2.html 04:41:24 *** loldongs (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:41:30 *** Yolo has quit (Ping timeout) 05:05:17 *** loldongs has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:05:26 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:37:42 *** Macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 05:49:32 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@cryto-1DE70A98.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #crytocc 05:56:07 *** Yolo has quit (Connection reset by peer) 05:56:16 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:17:57 *** cayce has quit (User quit: Three sheets to the wind) 06:23:36 *** cayce (cayce@cayce.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:26:17 *** Macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 06:29:45 *** Yolo has quit (Connection reset by peer) 06:30:01 *** Yolo (nomnomops@A0B46AEC.3E3CBD3E.5FE3EE37.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:39:45 *** KaEsse (KaEsse@cryto-C6F276AD.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #crytocc 06:40:46 jellu 06:44:49 cayce: Doesn't work... Redirects to a pricing page 06:45:11 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@cryto-1DE70A98.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #crytocc 06:45:14 norbert79:) huh? 06:45:44 Your link 06:45:54 from 2,5 hours ago 06:46:03 https://explodie.org/test/index2.html 06:46:09 okay what about it 06:46:16 Doesn't work 06:47:00 norbert79:) that's very descriptive 06:47:24 Well, see it for yourself 06:47:38 well since I wrote it... 06:47:51 Hardesty Hosting? 06:48:13 yes? 06:48:15 Because congrats then owning a VPS company 06:48:23 That's what I get displayed 06:48:46 Again, I wrote the page 06:48:54 I'm quite aware of the text 06:48:57 The page for the VPS company? 06:49:09 but perhaps /test/ on an unrelated domain does not tip you off? 06:49:43 Looks like you still refused to open up your own page... If there was anything there not related to the VPS company it's not working... 06:49:52 And no, I see a pricing page 06:50:17 norbert79:) what in /the/ fuck are you on about 06:50:35 im like, all outsider and shit, but when i remove /test/ it works 06:50:35 Opened your link out of curiosity, I got this: 06:50:46 you sound aggravated to me, and I don't know why 06:50:49 "Welcome to Hardesty Hosting, where you'll find a uniquely personal virtual private server hosting experience." 06:50:57 yes 06:51:02 as was expected? 06:51:12 I'm just confused why you're confused 06:51:20 I thought it's something about an IE vuln. or some 06:51:24 *** anonsource481 (anonsource@610A02B0.2EE1409D.F273D56C.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:51:24 explodIE 06:51:29 what 06:51:30 in 06:51:31 the 06:51:32 fuck? 06:51:44 norbert79:) dude, it's my domain name and has been for YEARS 06:52:11 Maybe, I am no encyclopedia of the Internet :) 06:52:16 KaEsse:) define "works" 06:52:39 in what way does it not work when you click the link 06:52:54 link works 06:52:57 links on that page donot 06:53:09 Same.. 06:53:12 well no fuckin shit, it's a test page 06:53:17 lolololol 06:53:18 jesus what the fuck is wrong with you guys 06:53:31 you write a whole site just so the links work? 06:53:31 Well, what the fuck do YOU expect if you jsut drop a link? 06:53:37 Of course we will try it 06:53:46 I expect you to maybe yell at me for how bad my design skills are or something 06:53:54 Why should I? 06:53:56 It looks ok 06:54:00 No issues there 06:54:07 staticdelta.com Motto: "My links work." 06:54:12 not shout like idiots about how "it doesn't work" 06:54:16 weirdest fucking thing 06:54:35 It's like damn if the design is broken okay screenshot it for me 06:54:39 Well, next time, include as a comment to the link, that it has no functionality... 06:54:41 but fuck going on and around and through 06:54:46 norbert79:) no! 06:54:53 norbert79:) the fucking url gives that away! 06:54:54 i imagine that shouting is a bit conditional on the readers mindset 06:55:01 How the hell shall we know what you wish to see? Next time provide a screenshot :)) 06:55:10 ;) 06:55:17 norbert79:) If you're using chrome I already know what you' 06:55:20 re going to see 06:55:29 and if you're not, you can blow me! :D 06:55:35 But I am not 06:55:38 chrome is buggy 06:55:44 And many million of other users don't use it either 06:55:49 try doing html5 animations for chrome 06:56:02 I hate chrome for it's memory management... 06:56:04 its annoying how artifact ridden chromes implementation of canvas is 06:56:38 I can't use firefox, it's too slow 06:56:55 Lol, may I ask you how old you are cayce ? 06:57:01 what do you use? cayce 06:57:13 memory management advantages are irrelevant if the program locks up because there's too much JS on the page 06:57:26 sounds like you need jquery 06:57:44 sounds like I'd like to shoot anyone who puts more than one version on the same page 06:57:49 I just love how young people complain the net being slow... Ah, memories :) 06:57:58 lolol 06:58:10 <28 06:58:15 34 06:58:20 EEek, you old fool 06:58:23 ;) 06:58:33 I turn 23 shortly 06:58:34 :P 06:58:34 Yeah, but give me back my false teeth 06:59:00 and I've only had internet since 2006 06:59:10 Wasn't yesterday 06:59:24 I had Internet acccess since 1999-2000 06:59:34 98 06:59:38 nope, but everyone who is older than me goes on to tell me about "before the internet" and I'm fucking tired of it 06:59:38 first 06:59:39 ***** 07:00:06 Number Cruncher Man! Floppy Discs OMFG! asd23rsd0 07:00:15 before the internet aka before I was born 07:00:16 cayce: Well, it's worth checking out old Internet, like ARPANET, UNET, GOPHER, ARCHIE, WAIS, etc 07:00:33 why is it worth checking out a bunch of defunct old protocols? 07:00:40 eh 07:00:44 Like because they are fast and still valuable? 07:00:53 to whom? 07:01:18 Well, many 07:01:22 I asked why, I didn't ask for another value statement 07:01:22 Not for you maybe 07:01:23 :P 07:01:38 why do we study ze germans in 8th grade 07:01:46 value statement please 07:01:47 Weil es Spaß macht :) 07:01:50 can i ask which server you use to connect here with ssl? 07:02:07 same server, different port -- amirite? 07:02:10 07:00 Irssi: Removed reconnection to server irc.cryto.net port 6697 07:00 [cryto2] Irssi: Looking up irc.cryto.net 07:00 [cryto2] Irssi: Connecting to irc.cryto.net [192.210.211.109] port 6697 07:00 Irssi: warning SSL handshake failed: No route to host 07:00 [cryto2] Irssi: Connection lost to irc.cryto.net 07:02:13 any of them 07:02:13 6697 07:02:15 I'm on haless 07:02:19 k 07:03:04 KaEsse: European I guess... Which country if I may ask 07:03:29 I'm from Texas! 07:03:30 *** voidfire (voidfire@cryto-15B6AFD2.darchoods.net) has joined #crytocc 07:03:33 \o 07:03:34 haha 07:03:35 usa'ers study germany in 8th 07:03:42 Nice 07:03:45 that's the giveaway 07:03:45 *** anonsource481 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 07:03:54 o/ voidfire 07:03:58 8th grade is world history year 07:03:59 thanks cayce 07:04:05 KaEsse: I see... 07:04:07 ill be around for a while ;) 07:04:12 wwII and civil war is about all we study in 8th grade (((WORLD HISTORY) 07:04:13 ;) 07:04:17 KaEsse: I wondered you might be Dutch or Norwegian 07:04:22 im 23 as well..what a coinc 07:04:38 ethnically, im slavic 07:04:40 looks like someone can't read the logs 07:04:51 KaEsse: Oh, nice, Slovakian, Ukraine? Where? 07:04:54 Or didn't read them closely enough 07:05:00 :P 07:05:02 South east hungary 07:05:10 great great great great someodd grandpa 07:05:13 KaEsse: No shit... I am Hungarian myself... 07:05:15 LOL 07:05:26 been in Texas since the 1800s 07:05:30 Bu then you aren't slavic :) 07:05:32 living off human blood 07:05:40 nom nom 07:05:43 Unless having Romanian ancestors 07:06:02 Austro-Hungary? 07:06:05 I guess 07:06:16 that would make sense 07:06:31 I have a funny joke, "Let's go watch the Austro-Hungary futball game" 07:06:39 Heh :) 07:07:15 Brb, arrived with my bus, next stop is mine... 07:07:17 brb in 10 07:08:08 didnt read the logs at all.. 07:08:19 its better than bad 07:08:31 its good! 07:09:22 ich kann die Verwendung von Google zu sprechen Deutsch. 07:09:43 verwendung wassat 07:10:07 http://translate.google.com/#de/en/Verwendung 07:10:23 verwendung = "you're in dung" 07:10:26 cool 07:10:40 awesome 07:11:20 must lay off the moonshine 07:12:56 if you use chrome, check out staticdelta.com and just refresh it after the logo loads. 07:12:57 see 07:12:59 buggy 07:13:07 doesn't do that on any other browser 07:14:28 hmm 07:16:25 so i had to design the site to never ever ever ever postback 07:16:28 which was kinda neat 07:16:31 but annoying 07:24:17 but hey, its not just a functioning forum (i still gotta add features and clear some bugs) but it also has a 256 AES Lockbox 07:33:44 Why 256 AES and not proper 128-bit one (just AES)? 07:35:03 *** Macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 07:35:51 Or hmmph, given the name, I guess it's another one of these js-crypto pastebins that actually use aes yet claim 256 for some reason 07:36:31 mornin 07:36:31 er 07:36:32 morning 07:37:11 Morning! 07:38:27 holiday in 1:30 hours :) 07:38:29 KaEsse: Ehm, what is you wanted to write in German? :) 07:40:44 it looks like KaEsse and voidfire are new here 07:41:12 so, hi, welcome to #crytocc, please be sure to read the channel topic, and be aware that this channel is publicly logged 07:41:22 by prefixing your message with [off] you can prevent it from being logged 07:41:24 etc. etc. 07:41:25 :) 07:41:31 loggy, pointer? 07:41:31 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-09-02#T07-41-31 07:42:07 on another topic 07:42:17 I am *really* starting to like my new desktop environment thingies 07:42:26 what OS? 07:42:31 still openSUSE 07:42:32 with XFCE 07:42:39 XFCE, nice :) 07:42:39 duh 07:42:40 but I've installed DockbarX with xfce4-dockbarx plugin 07:42:42 I like XFCE toio or Mate 07:42:44 and a new icon theme 07:42:52 so it now looks like this: 07:43:03 http://owely.com/7jqtTR 07:43:47 let's see 07:43:57 256 implies 256 bits of randomness 07:44:06 since it uses a unicode string of 16 characters in length 07:44:08 Pretty minimalistic 07:44:11 =256 bits of randomness 07:44:12 but it's ok 07:44:15 I like it 07:44:23 I'm so confused 07:44:35 Oh, sorry, my lines were meant for joepie91 07:45:04 norbert79:) your lines weren't the confusing ones :P 07:45:18 @&MK_FG and im certainly not using js to encrypt 07:45:42 *** ebola has quit (Ping timeout) 07:46:15 thank god 07:46:39 KaEsse, E.g. http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/5118/is-aes-256-weaker-than-192-and-128-bit-versions 07:46:46 norbert79: I really like how it works now 07:46:47 http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/374 07:46:53 http://lukenotricks.blogspot.ru/2010/04/aes-128-versus-aes-256-encryption.html 07:47:06 everything just feels less clunky 07:47:15 only complaint so far is that dockbarx doesn't respect my workspaces 07:47:24 as in, it shows icons on the bar that are on the other workspace 07:47:40 joepie91: my last Linux desktop was Xubuntu, but I have tried to reimplement all the helpful functions to the desktop like accessing Samba shares easy. So i have morphed it into a Gnome 2 like look. 07:48:07 well, there honestly isn't much difference in visuals between XFCE and GNOME2 to start with 07:48:07 :P 07:48:33 and they're also getting more and more similar in functionality 07:48:37 Well, there is... But Mate isn't there yet for me... Call me a graphic nerd, but I like composite windows 07:48:44 Mate is missing it 07:48:47 for now 07:48:55 although I do have to say that the new Nautilus is absolutely terrible, and Thunar is only moving forwards 07:49:00 norbert79: wait, define 'composite windows' 07:49:09 because MATE is just a fork of GNOME2 07:49:11 The composite effect, like shadows 07:49:14 KaEsse, But given the randomness comment and "unicode string of 16 characters in length", not sure if you use it for something else (as a hash?) 07:49:24 norbert79: why not just use compiz? 07:49:30 Sure, but Gnome2 had no own compsote layer, it used damn, what was the name 07:49:35 I can't see why that wouldn't work with MATE 07:49:40 Compiz.. right.. No, compiz has issues 07:49:46 hell, with some hackery it even works with XFCE 07:49:53 Metacity? 07:49:57 because that's just a WM 07:50:04 Sure, but I start to lack of time with every day so i prefer something out of the box 07:50:14 lol 07:50:14 fair enough 07:50:17 anyway 07:50:21 I'm happy with XFCE 07:50:24 @MK_FG so your saying 256 is supposedly vulnerable to a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Related-key_attack 07:50:24 Me too 07:50:24 and dockbarx is nice 07:50:31 very nice 07:50:32 Should take a look at Dockbarx 07:50:44 it has some things that need fixing (such as popup color schemes) but overall, no complaints 07:50:45 @MK_FG since you can't download the encrypted data and try multiple attempts, seems like my portal would be strong against such an attack 07:50:49 but I really hope Mate will be ready to replace Gnome 2 fully so i can finally use it again 07:50:51 KaEsse:) he is, yeah, and does it matter in your risk analysis? 07:51:08 norbert79: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=101604 07:51:46 joepie91: http://norbert79.deviantart.com/art/Current-desktop-Linux-257054399 - my old Gnome based desktop 07:52:08 joepie91: Actually a year old 07:52:10 KaEsse, I'm not really familiar with attacks there, just seen multiple sources claim that it's weaker here and there, yet people seem to go for it anyways, despite it not even being standard (as in NIST) 07:52:17 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:52:28 norbert79: that looks very plain :P 07:52:37 lovely... Gnome-look.org is a banned site at my company.. morons... 07:52:38 hola a todos 07:52:41 (and not really AES, for that matter, as that name, as per standard should apply to Rijnael-128 iirc) 07:52:44 norbert79: Torrrrrrrrrrr 07:52:47 joepie91: Not really, but maybe from the look 07:52:55 well, I said 'looks' 07:52:56 :P 07:53:01 iceTwy: Nah, I have port limitations too, so i need to use other methods :) 07:53:01 i imagine it depends on the cipher mode though, right? 07:53:21 joepie91: The reason was because some of the applications were not fully happy with dark look like Lotus Sametime and Lotus Notes 07:53:27 i dunno 07:53:33 joepie91: So I used a rather regular colour 07:53:34 hm 07:53:42 norbert79: are you on XFCE? 07:53:48 iceTwy: No, not right now 07:53:53 KaEsse, "mode"? As in "how to turn it into a stream cipher"? I'd think unlikely 07:53:55 ah 07:54:16 iceTwy: I am not having any Linux based desktop right now either.. Long story... 07:54:28 iceTwy: Also I cannot use any in the office either 07:54:42 oh gosh 07:54:44 :/ 07:54:54 Windows Active Domain hell 07:55:00 Doesn't your company allow BYOD? 07:55:06 MK_FG:) probably cbc versus gcm modes? 07:55:06 Nope 07:55:22 would't help much either iceTwy :) 07:55:22 pfft. 07:55:45 byod aka it nightfuckingmare 07:56:09 cayce: yeah, that was also my guess 07:56:09 cayce: Let me guess, you have a lot of experience with it :)) 07:56:14 re: modes 07:56:48 im using CBC 07:56:56 honestly, if I were a sysadmin, I'd be fine with BYOD as long as management tool is installed on every single device 07:56:59 joepie91: I don't know, it depends... BYOD is nice in some perspective, but I feel like my hands chopped off when I am forced in this Windows Domain surrounding. Although you need to ensure you can trust your worker... 07:57:03 so stuff can still be mass-managed and mass-updated 07:57:15 also, norbert79, you probably didn't mean to reply to me 07:57:16 :p 07:57:35 joepie91: I did, as you joined the BYOD topic too ;-) 07:57:48 but... your response was sent only 2 seconds after I typed mine! 07:57:54 impossible! 07:57:56 re:modes - that's also what I meant by "how to turn it into a stream cipher" ;) 07:58:13 joepie91: I am not good at 10 finger typing... I use maxcimum 6. 07:58:42 norbert79:) no, but I have a very clear separation between work and not, and byod sounds like the single biggest accidental insider threat waiting to happen 07:59:11 Maybe use better infosec at the core? 07:59:19 yeah 07:59:24 cayce: I don't wish to go into hours of discussions in pro and against, but I can tell you it's way more complex, than that 07:59:26 Many companies employ freelancers and remote workers 07:59:32 And these are basically all byod 07:59:37 MK_FG: Exactly 07:59:48 And not just byod, but also byod over crapnet 08:00:01 And vm's, containers, capability-based systems, etc... 08:00:29 Everyone works on their part, no super-admins, reviews, seem to work 08:00:32 MK_FG: My home net was actually faster, than the office's net.. Also, BYOD makes the worker also happy unless you tie his VPN access to some fucking Windows based client which then screws up all your redirects... 08:00:45 and DNS 08:00:50 because mine is just the shit 08:00:54 worst ever 08:01:23 When i need to work from home the VPN becomes the biggest pain 08:01:25 It seem to me that big companies are just structured idiotically, where totally computer-clueless people have huge accesses 08:01:31 SonicWall at my last gig was easy enough. No issues... 08:01:50 MK_FG: in my company it's totally different... It's as limited as possible and only people with some clue don't call local Helpdesk 08:01:53 And everyone's in the same intranet with easily-accessible data and machines there 08:02:45 MK_FG: My company has security through obscurity, sadly 08:02:59 Heh, yeah, I wanted to say something to that effect 08:03:24 I worked at large telco here in the past and we had basically the same thing there, if you're a regular drone 08:03:36 AD and all, seems secure (tm) 08:03:59 Except ditch AD, boot linux, start nmap and all base stations around the city are in the same net! 08:04:13 It was fucking ridiculous 08:04:23 MK_FG: Not possible, they have restrictred all other options to booting and I am tied to Bitlocker... 08:04:35 MK_FG: Imagine the fuck-up if the device goes bust 08:04:58 Once I ran nmap to find open iLO ports on new HP racks and went home, forgetting about it 08:05:05 MK_FG: Although I am forced to store my stuff in local AD based sharesd but network fails occasionally 08:05:30 That caused massive havoc, panic and heart attacks in infosec people who had IDSes there 08:05:43 haha 08:07:44 Hard to blame anyone in such companies though, there're always excuses - no one has time or responsible for such massive fails ;) 08:08:22 It seem to me that big companies are just structured idiotically, where totally computer-clueless people have huge accesses 08:08:33 yeah, that sounds like typically "mine is bigger than yours" corporate management 08:08:40 typical * 08:09:04 Heh, yeah, also wrt windows perms admins allowed it was so true 08:09:37 Managers had infested crap for machines because yeah, they should be allowed to have anything there 08:09:56 Not the actual IT guys, them, surely they know what they're doing 08:10:26 And every one of them had vpn's, 'cause bussiness trips ;) 08:10:45 So these nets can also be exploited from their homes, jic 08:11:04 AutoIt. Discuss. 08:11:07 :) 08:11:14 Whatsit? 08:11:24 http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/ 08:11:50 if you take an executable from autoit, use a bat file to deliver the autoit exe, could be used for many things 08:11:52 ;) 08:11:54 "AutoIt v3 is a freeware BASIC-like scripting language ..." **** 08:12:40 You can bundle python or js apps into exe's too fairly easily, I think 08:12:51 At least there are plenty of tools to do that around 08:13:17 Not sure why'd you need some ad-hoc basic thing there... 08:14:51 use a bat file to schedule a task which runs the autoit, the autoit, onidle, could load a website and click an ad 08:15:02 not that someone would do that 08:15:29 Oh yeah, I remember using autohotkey on win for that in teh past 08:15:34 autoit was how we maintained persistence on the network admin's box in highschool 08:15:45 Actually, autoit sounds like rebranding of that thing 08:15:48 because lulz 08:16:01 persistance? 08:16:14 yeah he fought to keep us off the servers 08:16:14 No, they're apparently different 08:16:28 it was cute because we kept keylogging his box 08:16:35 haha 08:16:43 seemed easier than fighting AD 08:16:50 give me physical access to a box, its my bitch 08:16:55 remote attacks are a different level 08:17:48 need to either have a dumb SA or someone with poor phishing defenses 08:17:59 usually both 08:18:23 I suppose it'll be harder at places with an official policy 08:18:27 I usually just ask 08:18:32 seems easiest 08:18:57 we had a thing a while back, for some odd reason there was an apache server running in dmz but because it wasn't locked down for like a year china was hitting that box and browsing our servers 08:19:08 Sec isn't my job -_- 08:19:18 did they find any cool shit? 08:19:22 doubt it 08:19:25 :P 08:19:32 then you're fine 08:19:33 lol 08:19:44 its funny, when you open up port 80 (or whatever port) the kinds of random traffic you will start to get 08:19:53 yup 08:20:08