00:00:40 night 00:17:55 *** tintin has quit (Ping timeout) 00:20:04 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 00:33:59 cayce:) what do you mean "what am I running it on"? 00:34:44 some version of wine or another 00:35:07 latest kernel and latest proprietary drives 00:35:09 drivers 00:35:53 er 00:35:56 haha I @ 00:36:02 'd myself 00:36:22 joepie91:) lysobit:) 00:37:10 *** mama (me@cryto-AC549E18.guilhem.org) has joined #crytocc 00:49:12 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 00:56:20 *** aLLamoox has quit (Ping timeout) 01:03:08 So linux for workgroups is basically windows now 01:07:50 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 01:10:08 *** x (foobar@cryto-4ABAF172.as5577.net) has joined #crytocc 01:52:55 jesus. intel just pulled official driver support for xmir 01:53:23 if either of amd or nvidia follow... canonical may collapse from lack of ecosystem support 01:53:24 jeez 01:53:49 linux nerds have spoken, wayland is where we're going 02:34:12 aaaaaand mir is gpl3, wayland and implementation is mit 02:36:37 * cayce backs wayland 02:51:26 *** Zoned has quit (Ping timeout) 03:07:35 *** Zoned (zoned@24F9C16B.247449A8.4C1A5FEE.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:16:58 fucking shit 03:17:08 so cdrom filesystems are a kernel module you have to enable 03:17:09 LULZ 03:18:29 * cayce compiles new kernel because cdroms 03:24:32 *** aLLamoox (aLLamoox@2946F37A.366503C1.D97C1694.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:34:10 *** Zoned has quit (Ping timeout) 03:40:39 *** Pailmaster (pailmaster@cryto-B09F5EB3.fullrate.dk) has joined #crytocc 03:44:06 *** cayce has quit (User quit: Three sheets to the wind) 03:48:43 *** cayce (cayce@cayce.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:00:18 *** Pailmaster has quit (User quit: ) 04:09:36 *** nora (skill3r@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 04:18:13 *** nora has quit (Ping timeout) 05:24:14 *** aLLamoox has quit (User quit: ) 05:25:21 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 09:19:56 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:15:13 *** mama (me@94CA4D18.30A2A0FD.3E57B147.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:02:36 *** Guest20766 (ESERANON@cryto-FB3919E6.tornode.net) has joined #crytocc 11:05:04 *** THX1337b (THX1337b@cryto-92B43C25.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 11:06:26 *** THX1337b has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 11:11:26 I was wondering why my Prosody 0.9 package wasn't publishing 11:11:32 apparently this is why: joepie91: for some reason publishing for home: repos are not working atm, is going to be looked at on monday afaik. 11:11:32 :( 11:11:57 cayce: yes, isn't that ISO9660 or some shit 11:11:58 ? 11:15:04 *** llegem_ (llegem@cryto-70E29873.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 11:18:39 *** Kojak (Kojak@18DDF79F.36419FB2.A5F2C432.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:18:56 Good morning 11:19:21 Someone here have a Botnets and are interested in a partnership wih ATZ, A3 etc etc? 11:19:32 llegem_: you are in completely the wrong place 11:19:35 read the topic 11:20:15 *** Guest20766 is now known as ESERANON 11:20:18 sorry for error. 11:22:46 *** llegem_ has quit (User quit: Page closed) 11:24:06 for the sake of curiosity 11:24:10 what are ATZ and A3? 11:24:24 I have absolutely no idea 11:24:30 probably some affiliate scheme of sorts 11:24:33 lol 11:24:40 *** ESERANON has parted #crytocc (Leaving) 11:24:41 guessing from the context 11:24:52 yeah probably 11:27:22 urgh 11:27:34 right now on afterhoursdjs they're playing that absolutely awful track 11:27:46 with the terribly annoyingly sounding girl with the terrible Dutch accent 11:27:49 no 11:27:49 just no 11:27:54 I cringe whenever I hear it 11:32:18 iceTwy: jabber! 11:34:07 ye 11:56:48 *** Zoned (zoned@24F9C16B.247449A8.4C1A5FEE.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:42:59 *** zest (zest@cryto-70E29873.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 13:52:02 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:00:45 *** crytoweb207 (crytoweb20@cryto-F9F9A29.polytechnique.fr) has joined #crytocc 14:04:22 *** crytoweb207 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 14:38:56 joepie91: Thanks for the link on the submarine cables... 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Don't see anything happening 15:16:09 MK_FG: host of the hub had some trouble 15:16:11 should be resolved 15:16:22 positive point: the auto-relink trick seems to work 15:16:22 :) 15:49:13 hm 15:50:48 norbert79:) all interbutts 15:51:50 man, fuck packaging 15:52:27 NP: [Disturbed - Land Of Confusion] [Ten Thousand Fists] [1081kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 15:52:38 whaaaaaaat 16:08:59 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 16:12:04 wtf 16:12:14 Wikipedia's new policy draft is horrible 16:15:22 okay, so 16:15:27 I *think* I have a working Prosody package! 16:22:16 iceTwy: mm? 16:22:43 hahahahaha YES 16:23:04 yes, my prosody package works! 16:23:08 no 16:23:23 that only took me a day 16:23:26 or two 16:23:28 first hacker conf in the balkans and the dj plays "killing in the name" by rage against the machine 16:23:31 turns the floor into a mosh 16:23:35 lol 16:23:45 fuck yes 16:23:49 NP: [Rage Against The Machine - Killing In The Name] [Rage Against The Machine] [1016kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 16:24:12 ugh it makes me want to go be a stupid american in the balkans 16:24:13 lol 16:24:19 try not to die, pretty much 16:24:32 state dept says stay the fuck out of turkey right now 16:24:44 so she connects to serbia through istanbul 16:25:05 * cayce grins 16:26:39 got it 16:26:45 damn, took me a minute to find it 16:27:08 ugh I want to visit the middle east before everything gets blown up 16:29:48 hmm btw cayce 16:30:01 ♪ NP @ iceTwy ♪ - Rage Against The Machine - Killing in the Name - Rage Against The Machine (1992) // 3031kbps 16:31:30 iceTwy:) yeah? and how good is your audio hardware? 16:33:28 I always figure this is the perfect song for vinyl 16:33:29 NP: [OutKast - Hey Ya!] [The Love Below] [2801kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 16:34:31 3kkbps aka clipping? what's that 16:37:14 ahhh 16:37:27 I can hear the vinyl noise 16:38:06 ugh why am I listening to muse 16:39:27 ahhh 16:39:28 fixed it 16:39:28 NP: [The Prodigy - Spitfire (05 Version)] [Spitfire] [1048kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 16:39:49 * cayce IF I WAS IN WORLD WAR 2, THEY'D CALL ME SPIT FIRE 16:39:54 * cayce BECAUSE I SPIT FIRE 16:44:50 iceTwy:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXqPYte8tvc 16:54:56 not bad cayce 16:55:17 I like that one :D 16:55:31 you like lots of delay and reverb 16:55:32 :D 16:55:42 and certain midtones, yes 16:55:49 lol reverb pedal 16:56:00 reverb pedals? meh 16:56:05 :P 16:56:11 * cayce wahwahs 16:56:15 what lol 16:56:19 wah wah =/= reverb 16:56:20 ^^ 16:56:23 I know 16:56:24 :D 16:56:40 same pedal :3 16:56:41 usually reverb is built into the amp 16:56:43 which is pretty nice 16:56:45 and erm 16:56:49 I do have a wah wah pedal 16:56:55 well, the classic one 16:57:03 Dunlop Cry Baby 16:57:05 my friend had some pedal that did a ton of stuff 16:57:05 :> 16:57:13 he clicked buttons and it fucked up his shit 16:57:13 :D 16:57:44 yeah that's a pedalboard 16:57:48 or rather 16:57:55 yeah 16:58:01 yes 16:58:13 :3 16:58:14 :3 16:58:15 NP: [Coeur De Pirate - Comme Des Enfants] [Coeur De Pirate] [830kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 16:58:16 my favorite artists - Animals as Leaders, Scale the Summit, etc 16:58:29 they use an AWESOME piece of equipment 16:58:34 it's the Axe Fx II 16:58:38 gazillions of effects 16:58:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaUI6Tvd1sA& 16:59:10 :3:3 16:59:19 lol coeur de pirate 16:59:32 :> 16:59:33 :3:3 17:00:32 bam! 17:00:33 NP: [Collective Soul - Shine] [Hints, Allegations, And Things Left Unsaid (Rising Storm Records)] [857kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 17:00:55 I just realized: I really do have an impressive amount of music 17:18:31 *** iceTwy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:24:00 *** GHOSTnew has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 17:24:00 *** zest has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 17:24:00 *** Kojak has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 17:24:00 *** HiveResearch has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 17:24:00 *** LapAnon has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 17:24:00 *** neksip has quit (haless.cryto.net 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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/privacy-scandal-nsa-can-spy-on-smart-phone-data-a-920971.html 17:56:54 I was happy to have an Android phone 17:57:05 with that being said 17:57:08 ha ha ha no 17:57:20 I'm wondering what versions of Android the NSA can crack 17:57:21 the encryption that phones use is shite 17:57:26 yeah ikr 17:57:47 like, phone<->network crypto was leading edge... in 1973 17:57:54 xD 17:58:00 tbh 17:58:01 (when it was first proposed) 17:58:05 :3 17:58:06 I only use SMS to communicate with friends 17:58:08 like 17:58:18 "PLZ WAT HOMEVORK IZ" 17:58:22 just use redphone and textsecure or whatever 17:58:25 yes 17:58:26 that helps 17:58:32 no magic bullet, but it helps 17:58:34 top level encryption is better than nothing 17:58:59 but it's one of those ironies 17:59:11 why does it matter if you can encrypt communications if the endpoints are pwnd 17:59:12 lol 17:59:36 hehe 17:59:40 but 17:59:43 but eh, you still get some amount of veracity that you're speaking to the correct person 17:59:51 in Spiegel's report 18:00:02 which is actually not the encryption, but the fact that you're a human and can recognise not-the-correct-person easily 18:00:12 the NSA struggled to crack into Blackberry phones 18:00:13 like 18:00:24 they say that they could do it before 2010 18:00:30 I've heard bb enterprise servers are the issue 18:00:36 then Blackberry changed their data compression technique 18:00:41 and then NSA had to search a bit 18:00:47 before eventually being able to crack it again 18:00:50 rim's own shit has backdoors, but iirc they refused to make a backdoor in enterprise hosted shit 18:00:54 so that leads to my question: 18:01:00 (why compress?) 18:01:06 Android has lots of bugfixes 18:01:10 including security holes 18:01:20 including fixes for* 18:01:28 yap 18:01:30 so would they possibly have a better security than BlackBerry 18:01:32 ESPECIALLY 18:01:43 when you're running the newest Android version 18:01:53 I was reading this article a couple of hours ago 18:01:55 well, you get into an opensource vs closed source argument, which is a "what do you fear more" argument 18:02:01 yup 18:02:07 but the thing is 18:02:20 I'm divided tho 18:02:23 because 18:02:38 go with linus's "with enough eyes all bugs are shallow" or "teams of targeted experts produce better and more secure code even if you can't verify it" 18:02:41 1. less than 1% (really) Android users run the latest Android version, i.e. 4.3 18:02:59 yeah 18:03:00 2. but on the other hand, security holes might be unseen by devs, but exploited 18:03:01 like 18:03:02 zero day attack 18:03:05 iirc there are TONS of people still on 2.x 18:03:09 lolol 18:03:15 it hasn't been updated since 2011 18:03:22 yup 18:03:39 I mean it's holding hands with satan but I'd never use an android phone that wasn't a google official one 18:03:44 they get updates first always 18:03:46 today (or well, in the past month) we learned: everything you thought was secure, should be assumed not to be, you're fucked 18:03:53 yep 18:04:11 what? 18:04:11 lol 18:04:13 I was happy to see google is now encrypting inter-datacenter tunnels now 18:04:20 I'd never, ever run a Google Android version 18:04:21 which means they consider the NSA to be an adversary 18:04:24 I run on CyanogenMod 18:04:26 nightlies 18:04:31 so I update my phone on a daily basis 18:04:44 and yeah, seeing that Google do that is pretty great 18:04:54 but they were being snooped on for years anyway 18:05:02 It's not even a big step or anything, the actual "what this means" is purely significance 18:05:05 *** pjtyler (pjtyler@cryto-92B43C25.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 18:05:06 AND I guess it's safe to assume that they /might/ have collaborated with the NSA 18:05:10 or forced to do so rather 18:05:21 yeah 18:05:27 yeah, the NSA will probably end up cracking their encryption 18:05:38 I actually trust when they say that they only do manual-data-transmission to $agencies 18:05:42 or force them to reveal enough details about the encryption 18:05:57 they send a person with an external HD with the data on it, hand it in person 18:06:10 no special interfaces or whatever 18:06:13 if it's true, I'm happy 18:06:26 *** pjtyler has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 18:07:02 api's for user data like that are bad, but I don't have issues with complying with court orders in open civilian court 18:07:49 it's this secret court shit that is bad. it's completely undemocratic. democracy doesn't work without information, and you can't get information without transparency. 18:08:30 I'm happy to let the FBI take loads of data through an open court proceeding. We can audit that, we can change policy if it's not acceptable to us. 18:08:46 the same cannot be said for fisa court proceedings. 18:08:54 yup 18:08:58 fisa is just undercover 18:08:59 our congresspeople can't even get info about fisa shit 18:09:00 underground somehow 18:09:03 that's HUGELY problematic 18:09:05 oh wait 18:09:09 even if I don't like any of our congresspeople 18:09:10 your congressmen 18:09:12 they should have access 18:09:12 * iceTwy grins 18:09:17 wait 18:09:28 are you talking about the same people that 18:09:36 1. for 90% of them, do not know shit about Internet 18:09:49 2. take your taxes and pay all sorts of personal fees with them 18:10:07 this is supposed to be a democratic republic (or that's what we learned in school) and so I've voted for them to represent me. I assume there are things I don't need to know about, hence republic. But they should have full access. 18:10:08 3. collaborate willingly with corporations, because they can get advantages out of it 18:10:22 iceTwy:) Why do you hate America? :D 18:10:29 oh I don't hate America 18:10:33 * cayce grins 18:10:40 I can say the same about any democratic republic 18:10:43 including France, lol 18:10:48 you can apply those 3 points to France 18:10:56 to w/e EU member 18:10:59 I was in a politics class and asked the teacher why nothing we did looked like a "democratic republic" 18:11:02 & so forth 18:11:16 what did they answer? 18:11:16 she goes "well, so isn't that the problem?" 18:11:42 gotta reboot da irc 18:12:04 to which I said "Well, what would be the proper classification of our government type based on current function?" 18:12:18 "Democratic neocorporatism" 18:13:12 the democratic part is a pluralistic competition between corporations for our representatives 18:13:15 :P 18:14:37 iceTwy:) you back yet? :D 18:14:48 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 18:14:49 oooooh 18:14:51 NP: [DRUMSPYDER - The Nocturnal Stealth Of Cats] [Kytheria] [824kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 18:14:57 nope >:D 18:15:24 government is a proxy for bankers, corporations, think tanks, freelance politicians. 18:15:28 Copyrighted music on archive.org? http://archive.org/details/FatboySlim-2000-HalfwayBetweenTheGutterAndTheStars- 18:15:28 there 18:15:45 yeah, that's neocorporatism part 18:16:03 there is always one side complaining the other side is too big 18:16:16 all of those four want big gov 18:16:24 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 18:16:27 I think it was by design, though. unfortunately, I don't think our founding fathers foresaw corporations they way they are now 18:16:34 they just want the others to be smaller in influence 18:17:07 madison's biggest fear was concentration of power, which is why the erosion of checks and balances by culture has been so devastating 18:17:17 war and culture 18:17:18 :/ 18:17:24 culture? 18:17:29 yes 18:17:33 apathetic 18:17:39 we are experiencing a lack of culture 18:17:41 lazy, fat, soma'd culture 18:17:48 that's lack of culture 18:17:59 call it what you will, it's a failure of culture 18:18:00 culture is active 18:18:00 :P 18:18:04 it wants things 18:18:13 lazy wants nothing 18:18:19 we've completely failed to maintain our culture 18:18:29 which I've been seeing more and more lately, not just in ours 18:18:30 also don't confuse paralyzed with lazy 18:18:34 failures of maintenance 18:18:51 only the poor are paralyzed 18:18:57 no 18:19:00 all are 18:19:04 even the rich 18:19:12 examples please, I don't agree on the face of it 18:19:13 I like the way you use a possessive to speak about culture 18:19:16 "our" culture 18:19:31 you've exported it all over the world 18:19:31 the only ones who are not paralyzed are the awake and the psychotic 18:19:57 iceTwy: there's local our and big our - not the same 18:20:24 and americanization is not as big an issue as you'd imagine. we're hitting a pretty amazing era of remixing 18:20:39 local cultural revivals remixing their culture, our culture, and others 18:20:46 and then giving it back to everyone 18:21:15 such that I can go to a restaurant and get "fusion cuisine" that is based in 3 or 4 different continents 18:21:18 that's some amazing shit 18:21:21 well america fucked shit up by paid it back by inventing the internet 18:21:32 a yaya 18:21:38 true lol HiveResearch 18:21:56 you want to eat other cultures 18:22:05 i want to eat food and vitamins 18:22:07 lol 18:22:37 As long as the cultures are documented it will be fine. the answer to homogenization in any living system is differentiation. 18:22:49 or war 18:22:50 ;p; 18:22:55 same thing 18:22:56 :P 18:23:00 lol 18:23:20 it's not the only way it can be expressed of course, but war is one way 18:23:35 * iceTwy wars cayce 18:23:41 I invented a verb! 18:23:42 to war. 18:23:47 * cayce falls over déd 18:23:53 aww 18:23:54 the "é" 18:23:55 <3 18:23:58 :3 18:23:59 Another instance was for those times when Caroline convinced the nationwide class (including Anna brother) to educate yourself regarding say that Anna had eaten sporting goods polish during an art class. Again big event a minumum of one believed Anna. She begged and cried therefore hard that she couldn breathe. She NEEDED someone to are under the impression her; too about whether or not big event more then one 18:23:59 did her life would be that the it seems to me end after high school graduation because Mike is the believe she had lied to you AND had gotten attention along with element 18:24:01 <3 18:24:02 some of this spam is actually funny 18:24:13 OH GOD 18:24:17 WHERE IS MY POLISH ART CLASS 18:24:34 LOL 18:24:46 what are those polish pastries called again 18:24:48 ponshki? 18:24:52 * cayce no idea 18:25:02 yeah 18:25:02 like 18:25:15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%85czki 18:25:17 Paczki 18:25:19 all I remember is polak and someone telling me it was horribly racist 18:25:20 >eaten sporting goods polish 18:25:20 rofl 18:25:51 I mean the problem with polak being racist is that it's like a black person saying nigger. It's fine for them and nobody else 18:26:08 dude 18:26:14 black people never say nigger 18:26:15 they say nigga 18:26:25 my dad's side of the family is all polish, sooooo 18:26:26 subtle yet important difference 18:26:33 ZUBROWKSA :D 18:26:41 lmao 18:27:23 I just have this feeling that if I went to poland I'd be staring at a sea of people that look like me 18:27:27 I don't relish the idea 18:27:28 lol 18:28:38 hehe 18:28:46 you do look Polish yeah 18:29:04 LET ME PLAY YOU THE SONG OF MY PEOPLE 18:29:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo9ee4P6K8o 18:29:21 NP: [Wszystkie Wschody Słońca - Telewizor] [Japoński Reżyser] [208kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 18:29:36 yes, polish dub rap 18:29:37 shut up 18:29:40 208kbps 18:29:42 no thank you 18:29:45 >dat feel 18:30:01 the flac one had shitty tags 18:30:08 I suppose I should czech on it 18:30:10 * cayce giggles 18:30:14 * iceTwy cackles 18:30:18 >feels 18:30:23 *** Zoned has quit (Ping timeout) 18:30:29 >brofeels 18:30:36 <3 18:30:46 damnit 18:30:47 no flac 18:30:48 e.e 18:31:22 also 18:31:36 I've just found out that using SASL is better than connecting then authenticating with NickServ 18:31:40 * iceTwy is stoopido 18:31:42 yes 18:31:45 duh 18:31:50 client certs++ 18:31:53 your hostname isn't revealed with SASL 18:34:14 *** Zoned (zoned@B18B694B.1AB65E52.DD564B5F.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:34:17 mmm 18:34:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gm-zfX2DgE 18:36:07 ahhh, forgot how good this song is 18:37:23 *** Zoned has quit (Ping timeout) 18:37:39 *** Zoned (zoned@90458D70.CD4AC212.4C1A5FEE.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:37:47 * joepie91 sighs 18:37:49 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/texas-truck-decal-woman_n_3881700.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular 18:38:05 "contributes to a culture of violence against women" 18:38:17 uhm, if you're going to criticize that, how about "contributes to a culture of violence against people"? 18:38:25 what does gender have to do with this? 18:39:54 because we're still on "violence against women" problem 18:40:03 haven't moved to "people are people" yet 18:41:03 hmm 18:41:26 I have a ton of free buffer... 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18:52:43 just ran across that 18:53:27 lol can't-decide-if-serious-or 18:54:09 that one reply 18:54:11 is actually scarily accurate 18:54:35 I'll read it in a sec 18:54:46 trying to figure out how to produce exactly 15gigs after 10% tax 18:54:53 ? 18:54:59 15 * 110 / 100 ? 18:55:05 er 18:55:07 derp 18:55:11 15 / 110 * 100 18:55:31 >>> 15 / 110.0 * 100 18:55:31 13.636363636363635 18:55:39 oh wow 18:55:39 derp 18:55:41 I am blind 18:55:41 wrong direction 18:55:42 er 18:55:45 I am brain-mushed 18:55:49 one moment, brain needs reboot 18:56:01 I can't just add 10% to 15 18:56:04 (16.5) 18:56:07 >>> 15 / 90.0 * 100 18:56:07 16.666666666666664 18:56:17 looks close 18:56:25 YAY 18:56:25 10% tax means the remainder is 90% 18:56:38 Bounty after tax: 15.00 GB 18:56:39 If you add the entered 16.67 GB of bounty, your new stats will be: 18:56:47 :3 18:56:59 Bounty after tax: 15.00 GB 18:56:59 If you add the entered 16.67 GB of bounty, your new stats will be: 18:56:59 Uploaded: 601.26 GB 18:57:00 Ratio: 1.76 18:57:01 hurrrrrrrrr 18:58:21 wppt! 18:59:16 so 15 gigs represents 90% of the total 18:59:16 therefore 15 / 90 * 100 18:59:16 *** lysobit has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** GHOSTnew has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** Kojak has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** HiveResearch has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** LapAnon has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** neksip has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** joepie91 has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** ebola has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** Ishaq has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** IR601 has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** Summerfag6532 has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** staticsafe has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:16 *** MK_FG has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 18:59:17 *** 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colocrossing this ti e 19:48:45 time * 19:48:46 (for once) 19:48:51 also, buffalo will be going down shortly 19:48:54 permanently 19:48:58 and will be replaced 19:51:41 take it out of the round-robbin? 19:52:10 yes, I will 19:54:30 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 19:56:20 *** nurvxx (nurvxx@951F7E79.E0B7348B.E7E5F0F1.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:56:54 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 19:59:06 this is.. 19:59:08 interesting 19:59:11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%85czki 19:59:19 woops 19:59:22 no, not pastries 19:59:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnOJgDW0gPI 20:06:58 bookmarked for later viewing 20:08:43 * cayce lags 20:09:04 finally 20:13:38 it's pretty horrible joepie91 heh 20:14:03 I can't imagine kids feeling this way 20:14:06 when they come out 20:14:07 like 20:14:08 :S 20:18:42 what the flying fuck http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-H-is-closing-down-1920027.html 20:22:48 *** nurvxx has parted #crytocc (Leaving) 20:32:50 er 20:33:08 well I've never read them but that sucks 20:43:17 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 20:50:49 cayce: https://briansmith.org/browser-ciphersuites-01.html 20:51:38 yes! there's an rfc for that somewhere 20:51:52 maybe not by him, but by someone else 20:53:46 his rationale is good 20:53:47 happy 20:53:54 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 20:54:10 alright then 20:54:15 perhaps it's time to write a httpd extension module that will check what ciphersuite was used to connect, and inform the user that he should upgrade if he's using a weak ciphersuite 20:54:17 since Linux 3.11 supports SSDs pretty well 20:54:24 through an injection in page content or so 20:54:30 and that it actually supports Rapid Start 20:54:32 cc cayce 20:54:38 my system boots in approx 3 secs 20:55:11 from the UEFI logo to the Linux login screen that is 20:55:58 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 20:56:20 lol 20:57:10 joepie91:) if you use polarssl or gnutls they actually select best-ciphers based on your support level 20:57:25 problem: nginx et all don't implement support for those ssl libs 20:57:40 hiawatha does, and is said to be one of the better servers for ssl smarts 20:58:05 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 20:58:16 eg: negotiate tls1.2, server only hands out ciphers supported in tls1.2 20:58:28 no 1.0 fallbacks at all 20:58:32 neat stuff like that 20:59:12 the problem with no fallbacks 20:59:16 is errors without apparent cause 20:59:17 (to the end user) 20:59:24 to them, the "site is down" 20:59:35 they don't know that their client just doesn't speak proper suites 21:00:19 wonderful 21:00:24 so 21:00:36 fail open versus fail closed, in a situation where security can mean your life is lost 21:00:42 that choice is clear, to me 21:01:01 cayce: this is obviously a solution for the bog standard site 21:01:07 with average people visiting it 21:01:13 but I don't give a fuck about them 21:01:17 they're not the important ones 21:01:18 not submit-your-leak type of sites 21:01:24 they are 21:01:27 they will follow defaults, and those defaults will be sufficient 21:01:33 the defaults follow them. 21:02:18 I'm perfectly happy to break all of their shit if it means one less person dies and the internet gets forced into using better defaults 21:02:44 I wish browsers supported different encryption than TLS 21:02:51 The reason I've been so interested in tls support and such is because I consider it to be life/death 21:02:51 and that something else that HTTPS would actually be used 21:02:56 rather, not something 21:03:00 other protocols 21:03:06 there are problems, yes, but we need support before we can fix the other issues 21:03:09 you cannot fix what does not exist 21:03:23 yeah but you can develop it 21:03:25 and try it out 21:03:36 that has been done 21:03:44 we have alpn and good ciphers 21:03:47 they are not implemented 21:03:50 that is the issue 21:04:06 yes 21:04:08 that is the issue 21:04:09 we have modern things which still support null ciphers 21:04:17 also joepie91 21:04:19 like 21:04:20 what 21:04:22 :| 21:04:26 are you still going to have VPS in Murrhika 21:04:37 or are you going to move every VPS to European countries 21:04:40 i.e. Germany/Iceland 21:04:41 ? 21:05:33 iceTwy: there's no point in moving everything to europe 21:05:44 I'm just getting rid of the disproportionate amount of colocrossing stuff on my net 21:05:58 because A. I don't like colocrossing and B. too centralized 21:06:05 yeah 21:06:14 also 21:06:16 if you need to 21:06:19 I can provide a VPS 21:06:20 no probs 21:06:26 * joepie91 frowns 21:06:26 where? 21:06:31 wherever you want 21:06:37 'long as it's not too expensive 21:07:46 I'm hoping for some hosting in iceland someday 21:07:51 wtb .is 21:08:08 swiss too 21:08:43 cayce: FlokiNet 21:08:54 https://flokinet.is/ 21:09:56 iceTwy: ah 21:10:32 5,50eu per mo 21:10:33 not bad 21:10:57 I mean competitively it's expensive, but the outright price is good 21:11:22 yeah 21:11:29 I actually mailed Floki a while back 21:11:44 and they told me why it was moar expensive to have a VPS in Iceland 21:11:46 cba to fire up the mail 21:12:03 I don't mind 21:12:14 ye 21:12:17 their flat prices are low enough the difference of jurisdiction is worth it 21:12:20 5,5€ isn't outrageous lol 21:12:25 yeah 21:12:28 yeah but, cayce 21:12:28 imo 21:12:32 the best deal is German VPS 21:12:33 and 256m is plenty to work with 21:12:36 mainland Europe 21:12:39 strong privacy laws 21:12:45 is germany beefing privacy laws? 21:12:49 good servers 21:12:57 well they've always been strong privacy supporters 21:12:58 I heard they had a not-so-good reaction to NSA spying 21:13:11 and the complicity of their govt in it 21:13:21 they were the single european country that pushed for a strong reaction against NSA 21:13:48 I know merkel tried to defend it 21:13:49 did she give up yet? 21:13:55 she didn't? 21:13:59 she did 21:14:02 sec 21:16:17 and they told me why it was moar expensive to have a VPS in Iceland 21:16:19 because of bw 21:16:48 this was the article I saw, but being rt they don't link to the der spiegel article they're ripping off http://rt.com/news/germany-nsa-usa-xkeyscore-378/ 21:17:13 *** Kojak has quit (User quit: ) 21:17:58 pretty nice as well 21:17:58 http://www.edis.at/en/server/linux-vserver/iceland 21:19:37 woah wtf 21:19:38 nice 21:19:38 http://ecodissident.net/virtual-servers 21:20:09 iceTwy: https://1984hosting.com/ 21:20:29 https://1984hosting.com/about/ 21:20:31 but they're expensive 21:20:33 and I know 'em 21:20:34 they're good 21:21:30 the thing is that 21:21:54 not only the server should be located in Iceland, but the actual company offering it should be Icelandic 21:21:59 otherwise there's no interest at all 21:22:05 (this doesn't apply to 1984 Hosting obv) 21:57:12 https://gnunet.org/internetistschuld?gnuweb 21:57:39 *** GHOSTnew has quit (User quit: Quitte) 22:25:04 * cayce waits for german to end 22:27:35 * cayce wishes their site was faster 22:28:46 * cayce saves as 22:37:13 ffs 22:37:19 I've got a maths test on wednesday 22:37:27 and it's all about stuff we did last year 22:37:32 we don't have our old books anymore 22:37:37 so I've got nothing to practice on 22:37:39 very annoying 22:55:39 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 23:04:22 joepie91, It's possible to write some js to include on page that'd annoy people if they have weird ssl that'd poll some nginx "location ... { return 200 "$ssl_protocol $ssl_cipher"; }" for what they've negotiated 23:10:00 that is a possibility 23:17:43 Actually, someone should write it, while hype is high ;) 23:23:41 if anyone wants to critique this http://antishock.opesr.net/start or this http://antishock.opesr.net/school:example:a_simple_light_bulb_circuit be appreciated :) 23:30:12 I'm not sure removal of grub is supposed to happen in suse studio 23:30:40 1 software selection removed 23:30:41 grub 23:31:37 Maybe it knows you have efi? 23:34:40 MK_FG: was building a custom opensuse ISO 23:34:43 apparently I still had grub2 23:34:51 so I probably removed something random that had grub as a dep 23:35:14 * joepie91 is prettymuch just waiting for his build to finish now 23:44:28 https://ezcrypt.it/kd7n#8yOxnimSfhYymepuBvgbfmVd yep yep 23:47:55 lol 23:49:20 ryanc 23:53:22 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc