00:02:42 *** mama (me@cryto-AC549E18.guilhem.org) has joined #crytocc 00:03:43 so 00:04:05 it turns out if you phone the number on the wikileaks website someone actually answers 00:05:14 which is surprising tbh 00:08:55 awsm 00:16:13 *** Zoned2 (zoned@cryto-1ADE6D47.tor.primus.ca) has joined #crytocc 00:18:36 *** Zoned has quit (Ping timeout) 00:27:13 *** x (foobar@BF9A7830.93D77D28.7035584F.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:32:00 lysobit: heh 00:32:09 also, I am messing about with suse studio 00:32:15 suse stuff is really surprisingly extensible 00:32:27 open build service, suse studio, Python bindings for the package manager... 00:32:39 but looks like I'll be doing some more packaging soon :/ 00:41:19 joepie91:) is there a way to see if I've approached my b/w cap on ramhost? 00:41:50 cayce: it's in your panel 00:42:17 er 00:42:38 client area -> products+services > details tells me nothing 00:43:32 it tells me that I've paid, when my next bill is due, and how much 00:43:35 :/ 00:44:30 your VPS panel I mean 00:44:35 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 00:44:38 not the billing panel 00:46:03 where is that >_> 00:46:11 It's not linked anywhere in the billing panel 00:46:22 (and why isn't it?) 00:46:38 http://www.ramhost.us/?page=members 00:46:44 click the appropriate link depending on whether it was openvz or kvm 00:46:45 :P 00:47:03 and idk why it isn't 00:48:12 * cayce sighs 00:48:50 there we go 00:49:01 * cayce hates non-sso systems 00:49:40 http://owely.com/6oBpQd 00:49:43 getting there, but not quite... 00:50:17 oh 00:50:18 0.397 GB of 500 GB (0.08%) 00:50:20 very nice 00:50:36 cayce: you don't happen to have a hint as to why the above is happening? 00:51:03 whatever handles those window edges crashed 00:51:28 that's my guess 00:51:29 the problem is that what handles the window edges, also handles the close button and such 00:51:31 so clearly it didn't break entirely 00:51:32 :| 00:51:34 (xfwm4) 00:52:40 weird 00:52:44 it works fine under root user 00:52:49 (with default theme) 00:52:51 but not under local user 00:52:52 permissions on the images? 00:52:53 (with selected theme) 00:53:01 there's more bugs 00:53:06 z-index on focus doesn't work 00:53:22 oh wait 00:53:22 it does 00:53:22 nvm 00:54:04 haha what 00:54:09 root-owned config dirs in the user dir 00:55:08 why is that root:root 00:55:15 weird 00:55:35 xnoise also broken 00:55:39 same reason it seems 00:56:14 right 00:56:16 SSH time 00:56:19 VNC is pissing me of 00:56:20 off * 00:57:48 haha oops 00:57:52 forgot to add yast2 firewall module 01:07:29 *** Amnesthesia has quit (Ping timeout) 01:09:46 welllllll 01:09:47 cayce: 01:09:47 http://www.novell.com/support/kb/doc.php?id=7010284 01:09:51 this would explain the problem 01:28:21 that'd do it 01:29:32 oh jesus christt 01:29:33 http://askubuntu.com/questions/270816/xubuntu-title-bar-missing 01:29:43 It was in the default Xubuntu theme "GREYBIRD". To fix this, simply go to: Settings Manager -> Window manager and change the theme to anything other than greybird or greybird_compact. 01:29:51 YEAH THANKS EXCEPT THAT WAS THE THEME I WAS TRYING TO USE AND IT WORKS FINE HERE 01:29:53 ffs 01:31:46 https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/issues/12 01:35:27 :< 01:35:36 NP: [Netsky - Puppy] [2] [1100kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 01:35:51 getting suspicious of the greybird version in my appliance now 01:36:48 I just finished icetwy's video, which was awesome until stallman got up 01:36:57 guy has no idea how to public speak lol 01:37:07 greaaaaaaaaat, looks like suse ships an ancient version of greybird 01:37:08 for fucks sake 01:37:26 whos the package maintainer 01:37:26 email em 01:37:31 no 01:37:36 I'll just grab from X11:xfce 01:37:39 it carries a newer one 01:37:42 where this should be fixed 01:37:55 (package search is awesome!) 01:38:32 oh man, my twitter feed is gold right now 01:38:56 all covering techcrunch hackathon that just finished 01:38:58 comedy gold 01:39:07 lol 01:39:10 guess: titstare 01:39:12 yes 01:39:17 again, comedy gold 01:39:42 "nothing like typing fake masturbating app into google" 01:39:53 because journalists are going around asking everyone for comment 01:39:57 and not journalists too 01:41:11 NP: [Netsky - When Darkness Falls (feat. Bridgette Amofah)] [2] [1012kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 01:41:31 sounds like it's an app that shows you boobs on command? 01:41:39 "I think you're looking for google" 01:42:11 http://owely.com/56Cene 01:42:16 let's see how much shit will break now! 01:42:31 well probably nothing 01:42:32 but still :P 01:43:26 it's almost 4 AM 01:43:39 I should be sleeping, not dicking around with custom distros 01:44:49 man, their tagline is gold 01:44:58 "It's the breast, most titillating fun you cans have." 01:45:28 It's a tempest in a teacup, but I think it's funny 01:45:37 not appropriate AT ALL, but at least they didn't half-ass it 01:46:35 *** KaEsse (KaEsse@cryto-C6F276AD.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #crytocc 01:46:38 oh man 01:46:45 adria richards was on stage 01:46:46 oh man 01:46:50 I would pay anything to see her face 01:46:52 ANYTHING 01:47:16 wwiii here we come 01:47:29 =) 01:48:26 *** KaEsse is now known as KoalaStomper 01:49:39 I just hate that woman 01:49:54 She's so manipulative of everything, and not even for good 01:51:01 not hate, tbh, I'd probably get along with her in person as long as she didn't start talking about her twisted version of feminism 01:51:19 unfortunately, that's her job so it's pretty unlikely that wouldn't happen 02:00:05 whoo, greybird no longer broken! 02:00:44 http://owely.com/7l0Ven 02:01:03 and everything is generally nicer now 02:02:01 user@linux:~> google-chrome 02:02:02 Aborted 02:02:02 user@linux:~> 02:02:02 uh... 02:02:19 that's... not supposed to happen 02:04:03 sudo 02:04:15 why would I sudo google-chrome? 02:04:20 i have no idea 02:04:28 im pretending to know something about linux 02:04:31 ;) 02:05:15 what in the fuck happened to my terminal font rendering 02:05:15 http://owely.com/11eAKce 02:05:59 I don't know, but it's shittier than usual 02:06:07 you have the green rectangle monkey infection 02:07:55 ive heard of that 02:07:56 nasty 02:28:02 mmm, sunday night 02:56:11 NP: [Imagine Dragons - Radioactive] [Night Visions] [986kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 02:56:17 first time I've listened to the original haha 03:44:30 joepie91: do you believe ISPs will ever stop allowing incoming connections for home networks? 03:45:06 everyone: can anyone list applications aside from bittorent which rely on the ability to recieve incoming connections? 03:45:31 * twitchyl1quid64 pokes MK_FG joepie91 03:55:12 it's going to become harder over time because instead of deploying ipv6 they're mostly preparing to deploy carrier grade nat 03:55:46 anything that is even slightly peer to peer requires incoming connections to run WELL, though many work around that 04:14:39 cayce: do most gaming networks use a P2P system? 04:16:38 most game distributions systems do 04:17:56 good 04:18:03 I dont think many ISPs would mess with that then 04:18:18 they would be publicly denounced and the gaming community would move away from that carrier 04:19:13 I think we need webRTC to become widespread ASAP 04:19:58 so ISPs cant disable incoming connections without breaking my applications and causing issues with their customers 04:20:32 this will already happen to some extent, as torrenters will move away from certain ISPs and gamers aswell 04:20:43 a big enough group to make a sizeable dent in their profits 04:20:49 04:23:20 all of blizzard's shit is torrents, same with many popular mmo's which use either bittorrent DNA or pando 04:23:23 there we go 04:23:27 sorry was trying to find the name 04:23:59 isp's are already on a path to cgnat 04:24:01 good luck 04:25:44 *** aLLamoox (aLLamoox@F02418A1.95369BB3.E1DAE158.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:25:56 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 04:26:43 cayce: do you think we will still have NAT on ipv6? 04:26:54 nah 04:27:05 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 04:27:10 problem is passing ipv6 through shitty old ipv4only stuff 04:29:12 not really 04:29:18 DS-Lite tunnels 04:48:02 *** aLLamoox has quit (Ping timeout) 04:48:44 *** aLLamoox (aLLamoox@F02418A1.95369BB3.E1DAE158.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:05:33 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 05:19:44 *** aLLamoox has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** joepie91 has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** x has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** Ari has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** tintin has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** LapAnon has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** neksip has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** ebola has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** Ishaq has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** IR601 has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** Summerfag6532 has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** staticsafe has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** MK_FG has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** norbert79 has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** twitchyl1quid64 has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** truetravesty has quit (nexus.cryto.net buffalo.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** KoalaStomper has quit (nexus.cryto.net sputnik.cryto.net) 05:19:44 *** lysobit has quit (nexus.cryto.net sputnik.cryto.net) 05:21:25 *** KoalaStomper (KaEsse@cryto-C6F276AD.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #crytocc 05:21:25 *** lysobit (musalbas@localhost) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** aLLamoox (aLLamoox@F02418A1.95369BB3.E1DAE158.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** x (foobar@BF9A7830.93D77D28.7035584F.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** tintin (tintin@tintin.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** LapAnon (Adrian@LapAnon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** neksip (neksip@neksip.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** Ishaq (Ishaq@cryto-6C73979.rf.usr.sh) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** IR601 (root@IR601.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** Summerfag6532 (coolstory@CF4976EA.D6CB46C6.D95AF0A6.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** staticsafe (ss@staticsafe.py) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** MK_FG (MK_FG@MKFG-91968.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** norbert79 (Norbi@cryto-104FD98D.org) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** twitchyl1quid64 (twitchyliq@cryto-4C6807BE.cinfuserver.com) has joined #crytocc 05:21:27 *** truetravesty (truetraves@7ABB88F7.2C566207.79E6D716.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:25:08 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 06:07:47 *** KoalaStomper has quit (Ping timeout) 06:10:18 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 06:10:49 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 06:11:24 *** tintin has quit (Ping timeout) 06:13:24 *** tintin (tintin@5DCFB179.164598E0.B7613ADF.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:59:11 *** aLLamoox has quit (Ping timeout) 07:09:13 *** crytocc331 (crytocc331@cryto-206E7C9C.stjo.sta.suddenlink.net) has joined #crytocc 07:10:03 *** crytocc331 has parted #crytocc () 07:23:37 *** h8R (niko@79A03AC3.73247D40.33CE73B2.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:40:27 *** Ishaq has quit (Ping timeout) 08:55:26 *** Ishaq (Ishaq@cryto-6C73979.rf.usr.sh) has joined #crytocc 10:03:30 *** tintin has quit (Ping timeout) 10:05:04 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-92B43C25.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 10:06:26 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 10:08:15 *** tintin (tintin@tintin.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:25:56 *** Amnesthesia (Amnesthesi@cryto-A2D42EFF.studby.hig.no) has joined #crytocc 10:56:42 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 11:12:23 *** IR601 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:19:53 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 11:22:12 \o/ 11:28:11 joepie91: do you believe ISPs will ever stop allowing incoming connections for home networks? 11:28:18 not really, because it's pretty trivial to work around it 11:28:23 therefore it's kind of pointless to do so 11:32:24 *** IR601 (root@cryto-E0B662A7.abu.se.net) has joined #crytocc 11:48:25 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/08/wall-street-versus-poor-in-america 11:59:33 *** Ari has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:47:04 hi all 12:47:24 hi 12:48:27 dont spose you know if fstab is hierarchical 12:48:45 as in if you mount two devices into the same folder 12:48:56 the 1st one will get it and the 2nd will be ignored 12:49:08 YOu can, the last mount overrules the first 12:49:14 and if the 1st one fails the 2nd one gets it 12:49:21 oh the last mount 12:49:23 so if you dismount the second you still have the first 12:49:28 afaik 12:49:49 im trying to make some kinda fallback option for when im not on my lan 12:50:09 could always just write a bash script! 12:50:14 lol 12:50:20 i could couldnt i 12:50:46 check for 1st mount fail then mount the 2nd 12:51:00 ok im gonna bash one out 12:51:03 giggady 12:51:08 Giigidy 12:51:10 :) 12:51:15 I think that's Giggity 12:51:19 lol 12:51:24 Haven't seen Family Guy since season 9 12:51:28 Got bored 12:51:29 :) 12:51:37 how can you correct spelling on a word that does not exist 12:51:49 :P 12:52:05 It doesn't add like that in my head 12:52:11 I listen to the voices inside my head 12:52:14 they all say I am ok 12:52:19 so I am! 12:52:46 so! 12:52:51 my Prosody 0.9 package was published! 12:53:07 OBS is no longer broken! 12:53:07 :p 12:53:19 see http://software.opensuse.org/package/prosody?search_term=prosody 12:54:17 Nice, no OpenSuse around here though 12:56:29 if mount | grep /mnt/music > /dev/null; then 12:56:30 fi 12:56:30 else 12:56:30 mount //newmount/music /mnt/music 12:56:31 fi 12:56:32 shld do it? 12:57:11 ehmmm 12:57:17 Not really... depends of course 12:57:33 are these regular mounts or goes through network? 12:58:02 there networked 12:58:10 the mount point in fstab is on my lan 12:58:30 i need the fallback option to mount a share via the internet 12:58:45 when im not at home 12:58:48 You might want to consider handling timeouts 12:58:52 and such 12:59:06 wouldn't generic SSH access be easier and then manual mounting? :) 13:02:47 *** LapAnon has quit (Ping timeout) 13:04:47 na im gonna have to open a samba share on the server side i have some crazy 2fa ssh auth 13:07:38 Just saying, because CIFS shares have several options too... Anyway think of timeouts too 13:07:41 when coding this 13:08:59 hrm i got the bash script working ok but i think i leave it 13:09:15 i dont really want to open fileshariing to the internet 13:09:38 could always hide it thru openvpn 13:15:01 *** BlackRose (BlackRose@cryto-38489A70.singnet.com.sg) has joined #crytocc 13:19:48 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:20:34 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 13:26:50 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:27:16 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 13:32:32 *** BlackRose has quit (Ping timeout) 13:42:40 *** aHlTat (aHlTat@aHlTat.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:53:59 whats the minimum count of machines I need to successfully create a test grid? 13:55:19 h8R: test grid for..? 13:56:19 tahoe-lafs* sorry for beeing such an introvert 13:56:48 oh :P 13:56:55 well, technically you could set up a grid of your own with just one machine 13:57:01 but that would kind of... defeat the point 13:57:17 the best you could do with two machines for redundancy would be duplication 13:57:22 so that's also not terribly interesting 13:57:40 so I guess that 3 nodes is the minimum to do anything really interesting 13:57:42 such as 2-out-of-3 encoding 13:57:57 plus an introducer which you'll probably want to live on some other machine 14:02:54 1 introducer + 3 storage machines? I'm a little bit frustrated with the client role? 14:12:43 h8R: what do you mean? 14:14:40 joepie91, i'm frustrated what is the storage client doing? pulling the information from the storage? 14:15:28 anyways I'm starting with this tutorial http://www.cryto.net/guides/tahoe-debian.html 14:15:41 I think you mean 'confused', not 'frustrated'? 14:16:20 anyway, that guide is only for setting up a storage node 14:16:24 for an existing grid 14:16:27 yeah, excuse my english :) my bulgarian is better 14:16:28 not for setting up a new grid 14:17:10 a 'client' is just an instance of tahoe-lafs that has the ability to access data on the grid 14:17:21 my initial plan was to be part of your network, but I want to experiment with the technology, i'm very interested 14:17:38 a storage server is technically also a client (since it can also access data on the grid), but normally you'd only use the term 'client' for something that *doesn't* act as a storage server 14:17:56 a typical grid is made up of one introducer, one or more storage servers, and zero or more clients 14:18:05 joepie91, i see now 14:18:05 Client is what actually encrypts all your data and has access to all your keys 14:18:12 the introducer is a server that literally introduces nodes to each other 14:18:20 it tells a new node that joins the network, how to connect to the rest 14:18:25 the storage servers store data 14:18:38 and what is normally called a 'client', would use the grid to store or retrieve data but not store anything itsldf 14:18:39 itself * 14:19:28 if you wanted to run a tahoe-lafs grid for your own backups, you could for example rent 4 servers (or VPSes), set one up as an introducer, set up the other three as storage servers 14:19:34 and then install a client on your home PC 14:19:52 all of them connect to the same introducer, and you'll be able to store data on the servers from your home PC, using tahoe-lafs 14:20:02 (that's just an example setup, you can do a lot more stuff) 14:20:41 this goes more in-depth about the technical side: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/browser/trunk/docs/architecture.rst 14:25:18 *** mama (me@AB3DA3DD.49B673DC.6AAD497F.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:54:24 er 14:54:33 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 14:54:39 the pentagon is weighing using airforce bombers in syria :O 14:54:53 that is going to end SO BADLY 14:55:37 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 14:56:12 *** mama (me@cryto-4DFEB79B.snydernet.net) has joined #crytocc 14:56:34 hmmm 14:56:36 e.e 14:57:32 kawai desuuuu 14:57:42 loggy, pointer? 14:57:42 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-09-09#T14-57-42 14:58:37 * cayce sighs 14:59:14 if we send bombers in, they'll be shot down 14:59:15 :/ 14:59:24 there will be losses 14:59:29 syria is not iraq 15:00:59 the other problem is retaliation 15:01:03 they will get raped just as hard 15:01:13 It's possible russia may drag themselves in 15:01:26 IR601:) not in 3 days 15:01:36 XD 15:01:46 syria has much older tech than us, yes, but tech doesn't make up for skill 15:01:54 russia may supply weapons on the sly but they wont publicly go against america 15:01:58 it's one of the reasons we haven't invaded iran 15:02:00 they' 15:02:07 iran would swamp us toe to toe 15:02:31 we have the best everything, but they have 70's and 80's jets and have been flying them every day for as many years 15:02:32 iran is too big to occupy 15:02:36 you're not going to get more skilled pilots 15:03:09 It's like the old timers who use old tech and win because they can "feel it" 15:03:22 that's the situation we'd be in 15:03:53 and yeah, we'd win long run, but we'd lose too 15:06:26 * cayce tries feverishly to reduce the number of tabs 15:08:33 man 15:08:51 I feel for the un inspection team 15:09:01 those motherfuckers have 7 billion people watching 15:17:34 Hm, is there really any defences left though? 15:18:12 Seem to be war going on there for a while, I'd think it should be safe to bomb by now 15:19:20 Also, I think russia wanted to sell AA there, but the money (or something, maybe intl pressure) prevented that deal, so they may not have anything new from us, unless of course it's sikrit 15:27:33 *** Summerfag6532 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:06:00 yeah putin's got aa that could wipe some of our shit, ditto on whether syria has it or will 16:08:50 I don't know much about military tech, but state of local industry and military seem to be in quite a disarray since ussr went south and there're no budgets for anything, so I'd rather think it WAS good for 80s-90s, but it's 2013 now :P 16:28:36 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 16:45:28 joepie91: was thinking the new layout - something must be wrong with my eyes - (no it's not the fact that it looks like windows 8) there's a feeling like it's too kiosk-like 16:47:49 HiveResearch: how do you mean? 16:50:47 try bigger tiles, more subtle outline, sidebar for forums 16:51:13 it's giving me major ADHD looking at it as is 16:51:28 probly just my own weird perception 16:52:49 i like the concept 16:53:12 it's making my brain hurt sideways for some reason 16:54:45 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 16:56:22 *** skill3r (skill3r@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 17:47:25 *** LapAnon (Adrian@LapAnon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:54:33 *** mama (me@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 18:08:51 http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6939/seans-outpost-announces-satoshi-forest/ 18:08:55 .title 18:08:58 joepie91: Sean's Outpost Announces Satoshi Forest, Nine-Acre Sanctuary for the Homeless – Bitcoin Magazine 18:14:02 I remember seeing the original OP on reddit 18:14:59 also 18:15:18 I think there's got to be some sort of conspiracy within internet.bs for holding certain domains 18:15:36 lysobit: ? 18:15:51 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 18:15:56 " Due to a glitch lulzsecurity.com has not been deleted in time and then we decided not to delete but park it. We in the technical department, will look into this issue. However this domain will be deleted next year in July." 18:15:57 suuure 18:17:03 the same thing didn't happen with .net and .org 18:17:54 for about half a year the domain was redirecting to a flash game site with ads 18:21:00 sounds like bog standard domain parking policy 18:21:00 anyway 18:21:09 just ran across this 18:21:13 and it's a really good point: 18:21:14 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1m0tje/bitcoin_should_market_to_kids/cc4rvgw 18:21:23 "Bitcoin is the lego of economics" 18:22:06 howso 18:22:30 it shares some vital properties with Lego actually 18:22:43 lol 18:22:44 it's relatively easy to build shit with it 18:22:58 it does not impose restrictions on you (other than capabilities) 18:23:09 and you don't need a third party to tell you what you can do with it 18:23:26 (which is exactly why lego got so popular - you could build with it whatever the hell you wanted, even if it wasn't the same as the thing in the manual) 18:23:40 same as gold really 18:23:47 it's more or less a giant building block that just kind of... exists 18:23:52 lysobit: what? absolutely not 18:23:58 it's not "relatively easy to build shit with gold" 18:24:20 messing about with gold has a massive barrier of entry 18:24:27 Bitcoin really doesn't 18:24:33 Heh, unless we're talking about lego of gold-smelting and coin-minting ;) 18:25:04 lysobit; any kid with a PC can grab some kind of bitcoin library or client if he's interested 18:25:07 learn basic programming 18:25:09 and build cool shit with it 18:25:17 even if just for experimentation 18:25:32 some examples of that would be the bitcoin tipping bot 18:25:34 (on reddit) 18:25:42 the colored coins principle (which is a bit more advanced) 18:25:43 and so on 18:26:09 it's pretty much programming with money (or, in this perspective, tokens) 18:26:10 http://img3.etsystatic.com/000/0/5343173/il_fullxfull.217567195.jpg? 18:26:15 also 18:26:26 that sounds like a potentially dangerous idea 18:26:31 why? 18:26:42 because if the kid doesn't secure his shit 18:26:47 or has some security hole 18:26:51 all his bitcoins = gone 18:26:54 for ever 18:27:03 unlike say, playing with paypal api 18:27:12 You don't give kid all your btc fortunes 18:27:14 if the kid doesn't remove his lego structure from the living room, someone will step on it and destroy it 18:27:18 just look at the linode hack 18:27:20 lysobit: you are aware of the existence of a testnet? 18:27:24 no 18:27:27 go read up on it :) 18:27:32 And it's damn great learning xp actually 18:27:33 actually, I am 18:27:38 it's an entire parallel blockchain for the purpose of developing stuff 18:27:39 I thought you meant a bitcoin-specific one 18:27:40 and messing about 18:27:42 and experimenting 18:27:42 yes 18:27:44 bitcoin testnet 18:28:04 joepie91, Huh, I thought you meant btc proper 18:28:07 bitcoin testnet is a sandbox 18:28:11 MK_FG; that IS what I meant 18:28:16 it's not going to appeal to a kid if he can't use it in the real world 18:28:17 it's just that there's the testnet if you're afraid of losing shit 18:28:21 Like, kids selling lemonade on the net for btc instead of cash ;) 18:28:22 during experimenting 18:28:33 * joepie91 sighs 18:28:39 lysobit; that is what I am trying to point out 18:28:51 the testnet is just an alternate blockchain 18:29:01 when you dev something for testnet, it also works on main net 18:29:02 the testnet is not the "real world" 18:29:05 oh? 18:29:10 no, I mean 18:29:12 it just doesn't carry over the BTC 18:29:14 I am not finished yet 18:29:28 if you want to mess about with the technology, then you can freely do so on the testnet 18:29:31 without any risk whatsoever 18:29:41 if at any point you decide you want to use it 'in the real world' you can transition over 18:29:45 with pretty much one line of code changed 18:29:52 that introduces the usual risks and rewards 18:30:02 we're talking about kids here 18:30:17 if as a kid you mess about with banknotes and chemicals (which some kids certainly do) there's also the chance you're going to destroy your money 18:30:30 we're talking about kids interested in technology/science here 18:30:35 Or rather some bully will take them from you 18:30:40 MK_FG: or that 18:30:50 lysobit: all these risks are not unique to Bitcoin 18:31:09 they're not, but when using other technologies the risks are much, much smaller 18:31:23 for example, with the PayPal API there is no 'wallet.dat' to steal 18:31:30 if your wallet is taken 18:31:34