00:47:36 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 00:48:22 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 00:54:38 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 00:55:39 urg 00:56:01 I made an account on the example pump.io implementation (identica replacement software) and I hate it already 00:56:22 it has no outside integration... so I'm trying to play their little farm game and I've already lost money because I have no way to check the site 00:56:51 It can't notify me of anything 01:07:18 *** Amnesthesia has quit (Ping timeout) 01:09:24 *** x (foobar@47DC6ED3.BD906BBE.7A718692.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:45:43 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 06:10:22 *** ElectRo` has quit (Input/output error) 10:50:04 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 11:22:10 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 11:37:57 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 11:38:11 *** mama_ (me@cryto-BC05B5DB.snydernet.net) has joined #crytocc 11:38:13 *** mama_ is now known as mama 11:40:18 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 12:04:46 *** nora has quit (Ping timeout) 12:13:31 *** aLLamoox (aLLamoox@D2588ABF.73F81236.6AACCFAB.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:33:53 *** aLLamoox has quit (Ping timeout) 12:58:56 *** nora (skill3r@cryto-56F85EF.dhcp.dbnet.dk) has joined #crytocc 13:01:46 too lazy to take a passport-style photo 13:01:53 so i photoshopped myself out of an old one :) 13:11:35 *** Amnesthesia (Amnesthesi@cryto-A2D42EFF.studby.hig.no) has joined #crytocc 13:12:58 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:13:44 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 14:14:34 lysobit: I feel like I'm missing context 14:15:32 I needed to take a passport-style photo for an "ID card" 14:15:37 but I was too lazy to do so 14:15:57 so I photoshopped myself out of an outdoor photo, onto a white background 14:17:09 I'm dreading getting a passport 14:17:26 they're gonna want my birth certificate or something and my mom has the only copy 14:18:26 [15:11] i have a windows xp cdrom that from an older computer i guess it will have to do 14:18:27 01[15:12] you really haven't heard of torrents, have you? 14:18:27 01[15:12] legal torrents, that is, for like, ubuntu :) 14:18:27 [15:12] thats NSA spyware 14:18:27 [15:12] i dont like ubuntu 14:18:27 03[15:13] * s0urD (~sourd___@ool-44c07937.dyn.optonline.net) has joined ##windows 14:18:27 01[15:13] because it's NSA spyware? 14:18:27 [15:13] everyone should run openbsd anyhow. 14:18:27 02[15:13] * azcodex (~azcodex_@250.Red-83-32-82.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) Quit (Quit: azcodex) 14:18:30 02[15:13] * Filea (~Filea@89.204.137.104) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:18:30 [15:13] the computer is certified for windows not ubuntu 14:18:33 brain = exploded 14:20:47 Had to laugh... 14:20:51 Seriously 14:20:57 I don't even 14:21:08 "Alright fine, debian, but still" 14:21:21 No, I mean: the computer is certified for Windows... 14:21:30 If he would have said: IS compatible with... 14:21:31 shhh 14:21:33 but no... 14:21:34 stop ruining it 14:21:36 CERTIFIED 14:21:37 stahp 14:21:40 stahp 14:22:04 I highly doubt I could ruin this further :o) 14:22:17 You tried pretty fuckin hard 14:22:20 I don't doubt it 14:22:25 THIS COMPUTER IS A Microsoft™ Windows® CERTIFIED COMPUTER, YOU ARE FORBIDDEN FROM INSTALLING SOFTWARE HERE UNLESS IT IS Microsoft™ Windows® CERTIFIED SOFTWARE 14:23:29 cayce: I just wanted to find something positive, figuring out if it was a freudian slip, but analysing the data, I can say: http://bit.ly/16S0A6L 14:23:47 wow 14:23:50 i just realised 14:23:59 he looks like that girl from big band theory 14:24:03 amy 14:24:13 bang* 14:24:18 Meh, maybe, but the character is a bit older, than Bing Bang Theory 14:24:22 :) 14:24:34 wtb big band theory 14:24:34 but yeah, they are looking pretty much similar 14:25:02 why you hide links to deviantart 14:25:09 like I don't know how to use bitly 14:25:09 e.e 14:25:14 *** nora is now known as skill3r 14:25:14 cayce: Because I hate long URL-s 14:25:28 cayce: here, have the real address: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/227/7/8/carol_by_norbert79-d6i8sb5.gif 14:25:29 * cayce +'s ALL THE THINGS 14:25:41 satisified? 14:25:49 never o.o 14:25:52 http://5z8.info/stealgmailpassword--_w9j9ap_dogs-being-eaten 14:26:10 I'm stirring my coffee with a spoon made entirely of plant fiber, how can I be satisfied 14:26:21 http://5z8.info/launchexe_pyyi 14:26:27 yes I know that one too 14:26:33 it's p. cool 14:26:37 :> 14:26:39 yep 14:27:07 coincidentally, I do not recommend spoons made entirely of plant fiber 14:27:16 damn things may be environementally friendly, but they're soft 14:27:19 that's fucking annoying 14:27:36 also it's fixing the wrong problem e.e 14:28:47 mmmm, new bitly graphs are sexy 14:29:22 whaaaaaat? historical hourly breakdowns? YEEEEE 14:30:53 lysobit: that photoshop trick wouldn't do here 14:31:03 we have incredibly stringent rules for what a passport photo can and cannot look like 14:31:05 and/or ID card photo 14:31:24 the chance that a random casual picture satisfies those requirements is basically 0 14:31:42 then I photoshop myself to statisfy those requirements :p 14:31:54 joepie91: In my country photos are made locally where you ask for a passport or an ID 14:31:59 also, this photo seems to satisfy most requirements, straight-looking, no smile etc. 14:32:03 joepie91: They don't accept anything else 14:32:04 I'd just submit a photo of the word "DICKS" scrawled across the picture in comic sans 14:32:16 lol 14:32:44 yeah man, post office does passport photos 14:32:48 joepie91: So if you have the task of making a passport right the next day after some huge ass party, and you look wasted, you will look wasted on your ID/passport too :) 14:33:49 norbert79: the same here, but using automated photo boots 14:33:55 and looking wasted will probably get your photo rejected 14:34:02 hah 14:34:03 also 14:34:13 They don't care, well, not much around here 14:34:14 we just had an impromptu test of the smoke detectors 14:34:16 ...they work... 14:34:19 * joepie91 takes hands off ears 14:34:24 Haha 14:34:26 I feel with you 14:34:31 housemate cooked some food, and it appears to have burned 14:34:33 and window wasn't opened 14:34:35 so.. yeah 14:34:41 but they're clearly sensitive enough lol 14:35:00 man, my ears still ring a bit 14:35:14 oh well, better than no smoke detectors 14:35:17 Agree 14:35:20 (which we had a few months ago..) 14:35:23 (and a fire..) 14:35:26 fff 14:35:29 Damage? 14:35:33 damage was one couch 14:35:37 the couch that was on fire 14:35:37 heh, lucky 14:35:42 somehow fire dept managed to put it out 14:35:45 could have been worse 14:35:46 with zero damage to other stuff 14:35:50 no water damage or anything 14:35:52 aye, well done 14:35:53 no idea how they did it 14:35:56 but skills 14:36:01 yeah, special equipment for light fires 14:36:06 they spray the water 14:36:06 I guess 14:36:18 My father used to be a firefighter for 31 years 14:36:19 either way, it was a very unpleasant fire 14:36:24 due to 0smoke 14:36:25 smoke * 14:36:35 it was all foam and plastic, that couch 14:36:37 stuff like that 14:36:45 so one housemate had some serious breathing problems for a day or two 14:36:57 but not bad enough to warrant hospital (according to ambulance) 14:37:06 norbert79: aha 14:38:34 this may be the first house I've been in where we didn't disable the fire alarms 14:38:35 haha 14:38:50 lol 14:38:57 but I think it's cause we don't have any 14:38:58 cayce: seriously, keep them turned on 14:39:02 ... oh 14:39:04 um 14:39:15 yeah, no 14:39:21 there's uh tons of smoke in the house, often 14:39:50 fire alarms assume you don't have smoke very often 14:39:52 false assumption 14:39:53 :/ 14:40:09 hang them in places where intentional smoke doesn't come 14:40:09 now a carbon monoxide detector might be useful 14:40:11 anyway 14:40:21 I have to say that these smoke detectors are remarkably loud 14:40:45 basically at the loudness level of a usual office fire alarm system 14:40:47 oh, there's one behind me 14:40:48 which is.. very loud 14:40:49 neat 14:40:52 I wonder if it works 14:40:59 and very unusual for store-bought detectors 14:40:59 :| 14:41:15 oh well 14:41:19 won't sleep through it anyway 14:47:32 Depends on the contract 14:59:04 ever play number munchers? 14:59:09 twist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56QsvEzvSek 14:59:44 http://tidesdk.multipart.net/docs/user-dev/generated/#!/api 15:00:15 that was very slow to load 15:01:26 I dunno why, but my favorite thing about python was always being able to do import Ti.Database.DB as DB 15:01:34 so I can just DB.method everything 15:02:04 Every time I use one of those methods I flail my arms around and yell "IT'S MAGIC" 15:03:55 cayce: which, if I understand Tides shared scope implementation 15:03:58 is basically what you can do 15:05:17 also, cayce 15:05:22 javascript allows that anyway 15:05:31 var DB = Ti.Database.DB 15:06:12 yeah 15:06:16 but I can't read javascript 15:06:45 * cayce searches for jamaica sheet 15:08:31 cayce: javascript is really really easy to read 15:08:42 the basic syntax is about as simple as it gets 15:09:30 C-style blocks (ie. { } ), always use ; at the end of a statement (even though it's not required), basic conditionals and loops like in C (afaik), foreach(x in collection) where x is the key and not the value 15:09:36 var blah = blah; defines a variable in current scope 15:09:42 and everything is an object - including functions 15:09:48 *** ElectRo` (x@888586C0.95C0FC17.2E9A2AD3.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:09:50 that's pretty much all you need to know to read JS 15:09:51 :p 15:10:06 syntax-wise 15:10:24 also JS has prototypical inheritance but you don't need to know nor understand that until you start doing more complex stuff 15:11:07 And then you look at some $('-magic-').watever({stuf stuff stuuuffff}).moar_magic(function() { function() { function() {.... and go "WTF!? IT WAS SO SIMPLE!!!!" :P 15:13:00 MK_FG: that's jQuery, not Javascript 15:13:10 jQuery has more or less invented its own syntax 15:13:12 which is fine 15:13:16 but not standard javascript :P 15:13:50 and understanding jquery basically means that you know what callbacks are, know what "chaining" is, and understand that everything jQuery is done from $ (or the jQuery object, as $ is just an alias) 15:14:04 Standard js also has dom and it's own magical apis used in all teh codes 15:14:21 Which is why it's not ecmascript, I think 15:14:28 ("chaining" being returning the operated-on object in the operating function so that you can literally chain methods on the output of other methods, all operating on the same object in a row) 15:14:45 MK_FG: while that's correct, that's only really relevant for writing JS 15:14:51 when reading JS, you can pretty much guess what stuff does 15:14:59 hence only focusing on syntax above 15:16:03 morning chumps and chumpettes 15:16:19 *and chump-aliens 15:16:24 ^ 15:16:27 sry 15:16:30 :) 15:16:35 ohai :) 15:16:57 * joepie91 is looking for pzuraq 15:21:26 * cayce grumbles about being unable to find schoolwork 15:24:28 did anyone else read the white paper on GPU keyboard buffer interception ? 15:24:33 downside: can't find the h/w to turn in 15:24:37 upside: room is clean 15:44:00 time for expert level bullshit 16:00:01 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 16:00:48 *** ElectRo` has quit (Input/output error) 16:29:20 *** tintin has quit (Ping timeout) 17:15:26 *** tintin (tintin@tintin.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:55:23 https://github.com/mperham/sidekiq/blob/master/lib/sidekiq.rb#L25 17:56:51 heh 18:41:22 wtf is a web scientist? 18:41:33 you can put 'scientist' in front everything these days 18:46:17 dunno 18:46:35 I know what a data scientist is, but that's because hmason made sure everyone knew what her job was 18:46:52 In ye olde days we studied real sciences, like flat earth as cener of the universe as god created it 18:48:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Science 18:48:40 actually I wish it is acceptable for programmers to be called computer scientist 18:48:52 s 18:49:11 Nah, it implies thinking 18:49:14 but they're engineers really 18:49:41 hm you're right, programming doesn't really involve thinking 18:50:22 ^ 18:50:26 It's a (not so-) well-kept secret of teh craft 18:50:29 I was gonna be a computer scientist 18:50:33 though I don't think academic Computer Science is really science, it's more engineering 18:50:37 and then I realized it's just algorithm design and analysis 18:50:43 and fuck that, I'd rather be a systems analyst 18:51:16 Hmm 18:52:35 Is "analyst" really a thing in computer/net-related stuff? 18:52:47 that's what we were doing in compsci 18:52:58 systems analyst doesn't necessarily have anything to do with computers 18:53:19 MK_FG: I'm totally copying your blog title for my blog. 18:53:26 That sounds fishy... 18:53:35 analysing gridlocked companies and implementing more efficient process is an example of systems analysis 18:53:53 well, usually you recommend changes and they ignore them 18:53:54 lol 18:53:57 Like " analyst that doesn't have to do anything with "... 18:54:27 lysobit, How did you even find it? 18:54:32 GOOGLE 18:54:37 ...and maybe more importantly, WHY!?!? 18:54:47 MK_FG: stalking is acceptable now. 18:54:56 MK_FG: people always do it to me on freenode 18:54:57 Google knows my nick, what an honor \o/ 18:54:59 so deal with it 18:55:18 actually I googled your full name : 18:55:19 :p 18:55:35 Oh crap, I probably typed it somewhere on teh ircs 18:55:44 There goes my privacy 18:55:46 oh my god why is the test submit thing a file upload 18:55:55 I can't give you an odt you faggots 18:55:56 nah I just /whoised you 18:55:57 AHHHHHH 18:58:04 okay 18:58:07 fuckin pdf'd it 18:58:08 e.e 19:06:49 joepie91:) quick! what's yum's name for ssh client 19:07:12 openssh maybe 19:07:39 erg 19:07:43 I can't find the command e.e 19:08:12 oh 19:08:14 openssh-clients 19:08:17 derp 19:08:53 sorry had to get ssh working on centos quickly before I suddenly appear 300 miles away 19:09:00 gonna set up somebody's server for em 19:10:27 also ugh centos with selinux on enforcing 19:10:39 this is gonna make me rage at some point 19:18:57 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 19:25:27 *** mama (me@cryto-C963EA15.laquadrature.net) has joined #crytocc 19:36:51 hey, does anyone know whats happening behind the scene in Python when you use "with open" 19:36:57 i.e. why don't I have to close a file 19:40:24 "with" does "try: ... finally: close()" basically 19:40:53 i found ze answer 19:40:55 Now, when the .with. statement is executed, Python evaluates the expression, calls the __enter__ method on the resulting value (which is called a .context guard.), and assigns whatever __enter__ returns to the variable given by as. Python will then execute the code body, and no matter what happens in that code, call the guard object.s __exit__ method. 19:41:11 so yes, basically :D 19:41:38 There's handy contextlib.contextmanager to do that literally, instead of "basically" :P 19:44:55 cayce: holiday? 19:45:11 you can put 'scientist' in front everything these days 19:45:12 behind! 19:45:38 scientist web? 19:45:42 hm you're right, programming doesn't really involve thinking 19:45:42 wat 19:45:44 * MK_FG checks behind his shoulder - nope, no scientist there 19:46:01 joepie91: at first I was being sarcastic, but actually I just realized it's true 19:46:36 joepie91: there's a difference between "programmer" and "software developer/engineer" 19:46:37 lysobit: no, you put "scientist" behind everything 19:46:44 you may have "behind" and "in front" mixed up :P 19:46:56 or 19:47:03 how to own Cryto & Snoonet & w/e 19:47:03 https://github.com/jtRIPper/sslnuke 19:47:44 joepie91:) no 19:48:02 lysobit: eh. 19:48:19 yes, there is a difference between it, but programmer definitely requires thinking 19:48:21 er 19:48:23 programming 19:48:26 (so does making sentences!) 19:48:38 iceTwy: that's hardly "owning $network" 19:48:46 joepie91:) a lady is speaking north of here, so I'm couch surfing afterwards because I can't be back in time for class 19:48:47 well okay 19:48:48 but 19:48:48 ;p 19:48:53 that's "owning $user on $network who doesn't understand that you shouldn't be discussing private stuff on IRC in the first place" 19:49:05 cayce: aha 19:49:20 :3 19:49:30 might go to a party thursday night? dunno 19:49:32 joepie91: you should consider someone calling you a "programmer" an insult 19:49:33 suddenly: EVERYWHERE 19:49:41 lol cayce 19:49:48 lysobit: not really, no 19:49:54 I went to the gym again today 19:50:00 going to berkely, staying in oakland, partying in SF 19:50:01 fuck, wish I could go there every day of the week 19:50:05 this sounds like my kind of 48 hours 19:50:06 trying to find a good article I read that explains this well. 19:51:34 lysobit, Even if programming is subset of some grander "software whatever", it doesn't have to be an insult, and probably isn't meant as such by most people who use the word 19:52:36 MK_FG: true 19:53:53 *** tintin has quit (User quit: leaving) 19:59:14 anyway, I can't find the article 20:01:18 *** tintin (tintin@tintin.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:02:01 but anyway to me "programmer" implies a sheep who writes code, often a cog in a corporation, executing orders from their superiors. but software development is more than that, it's about solving problems and innovation 20:03:06 Don't these "cogs" do the same thing? Developing, inventing and fixing some in-house solutions for problems set before them? 20:03:40 Like, "we need a system in place to monitor all workers" 20:03:42 lysobit: cogs still think 20:03:54 non-thinking people that enter stuff on a keyboard as instructed is what we could call "typists" 20:03:55 ;) 20:04:17 I call it "finereader" 20:04:50 joepie91: sometimes as much thinking as someone manufacturing shoes in a sweatshop 20:05:22 lysobit: not really, they just work according to a template 20:06:08 joepie91: consider, for example your job is to convert photoshop templates to HTML and CSS 20:06:18 that's pretty damn menial 20:06:22 Maybe the difference is that they do less looking for problems, more solving 20:07:19 lysobit: that... isn't exactly programming 20:07:30 programming involves logic 20:07:38 HTML and CSS are not logic languages 20:08:19 joepie91: okay, including some JS to make the UI nicer, and some PHP to add a comment box and a search box 20:08:35 that would be very limited programming, and does indeed require thinking 20:08:37 it's still quite menial 20:10:45 everything requires "thinking"; let's not argue over the definition of thinking, but I suppose what I mean is programming can imply a menial, repetitive, uncreative task 20:13:15 "creative" meaning "doesn't know how to implement the solution in enough detail from the start"? 20:14:15 it depends on what you mean by "solution" 20:14:28 but necessarily, you can know how to implement a search box and its still uncreative 20:14:48 I was thinking of the resulting code that will be deployed/shipped 20:15:17 So yeah, most webdev folks know basically everything needed step-by-step after getting the task 20:15:27 ...given enough repetitive xp 20:15:36 * cayce flees 20:15:43 Which I think should qualify as "uncreative" 20:16:36 Same can probably be said about any repetitive tasks in programming? 20:16:52 ...or "software development" :P 20:17:49 not necessarily, take anonnews for example, it's a web dev project, but it's still "creative" because it's a conceptual solution to a problem thought of by joepie 20:18:37 Yeah, there was no clear task, problem had to be found, not a solution ;) 20:20:52 yeah, "no clear task" is perhaps the key thing. software development is also about thinking of concepts to solve problems, those concepts are then implemented by programming 20:22:43 I see a lot of people creating delineations where there aren't necessarily any 20:22:46 * cayce actually runs 20:23:01 ^ that :P 20:23:30 But maybe different words for these activities indeed are useful 20:23:33 then perhaps it's more of my idea of what it should be 20:23:38 rather than what it actually is 20:23:55 Note though that probably almost-everyone is switching between the two all the time 20:24:00 yeah 20:24:41 *** iceTwy has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:27:32 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 20:28:31 Um, ebay adding bitcoins O_O 20:29:02 haha 20:29:03 nice one 20:29:06 nice joke 20:29:20 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ltd23/has_this_been_reported_yet_within_the_past_few/ 20:29:27 Not in "instead of paypal" sense though 20:29:50 But apparently they removed the section as soon as ppl noticed ;) 20:30:18 bitcoins through paypal? 20:30:29 lysobit: the paypal CEO has expressed interest in BTC 20:30:30 iirc 20:30:53 http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/04/30/could-paypal-be-on-horizon-for-bitcoin/ 20:31:32 seems counterproductive since bitcoin is supposed to eliminate middlemen 20:31:53 paypal has brand awareness and wishes to reduce chargeback risk 20:32:10 * cayce waits on ride 20:33:02 I have about 30BTC that I can't access :( 20:33:32 half of it is on a bitcoin exchange site that I forgot the pass to, from 2 years ago 20:33:48 Optional mediation might be nice, esp. in case of shipped stuff 20:33:55 and the other half is on AES encrypted on a gmail account that I forgot the pass to and I can't recover, also from 2 years ago 20:34:20 you're pretty good at losing 3 grand 20:34:26 thx 20:34:42 If I ever get 3k, I'll give it to you if I want it creatively lost 20:34:56 <3 20:35:12 <3 20:35:17 at the time it was worth about $300 20:35:20 or less 20:37:14 joepie91: actually I think you may know this guy, Amir Taaki aka genjix 20:37:21 I do, yes 20:37:30 well 20:37:34 where does he lurk? 20:37:35 haven't talked to him for a while 20:37:36 but do know him 20:37:40 well, nowhere right now, I get the idea 20:37:40 for varying definition of "know" heh 20:37:43 he has by bitcoins 20:37:49 my* 20:37:58 ? 20:38:03 he owns britcoin 20:38:12 aka intersango 20:38:15 oh 20:38:23 can't you just contact intersango support 20:38:23 :p 20:38:47 possibly 20:39:34 he's on freenode 20:39:40 everyone is on freenode 20:39:47 oh lol 20:39:48 yes 20:40:37 now if only I can remember my old gmail pass 20:46:09 *** aLLamoox (aLLamoox@BEF35176.204F787C.6AACCFAB.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:47:25 why is there a fucking ash tray in the kitchen 20:47:31 why are there dishes in the fucking sink 20:47:35 how can people cook in a kitchen like this 20:47:36 really 20:47:47 joepie91: maybe they do like i do 20:47:55 and clean the whole kitchen prior to cooking, then clean it again when done 20:48:06 and then somebody else comes and fucks things up and makes it dirty, and then i have to repeat it next time i cook 20:48:10 :3 20:48:27 that said, my mistake: freezing in two kilograms of meat in one bag is a bad idea 20:48:29 especially when it's loose meat 20:48:33 ie. becomes one giant blob of derp 20:48:40 yes :( 20:48:42 Amnesthesia: same here 20:48:44 re: kitchen 20:48:52 also, I should really start cooking for multiple days 20:48:55 and vacuumpacking the result 20:49:00 Dont you? 20:49:12 What's the thing with Holland and selling veggie stuff in portion packs btw? so annoying 20:49:27 All canned stuff seem tiny too :( Had a really hard time finding kidney beans, especially in large cans 20:50:04 I always cook for 4-5 days ahead and just make massive amounts of everything. Instead of having stuff uncooked in the fridge, might as well have it cooked and ready in the fridge :G 20:50:35 I normally cook for one day 20:50:38 freeze in what I find 20:50:49 and yes, everything is portion-based around here 20:50:50 pretty much 20:50:59 though proper vegetables are sold whole 20:51:21 yeah but, portion based makes it more expensive too :/ 20:51:29 meh 20:51:31 hardly 20:51:33 food is just expensive here 20:51:37 ah 20:51:37 no matter the portion 20:51:47 you can get larger portions at some supermarkets 20:51:47 I usually just buy 300-500g canned beans :G 20:51:50 not much price diff 20:51:57 What are the supermarkets called? 20:52:02 the particular ones? 20:52:02 Cause I just find different sizes of AH 20:52:05 lol AH 20:52:07 AH is terrible 20:52:09 Yes 20:52:10 It is 20:52:11 it's everywhere but it's terrible 20:52:19 What's better? :o 20:52:25 Jan/Dirk/Bas (same store, different names) carry largerp ackages 20:52:30 Ooh 20:52:32 so do Lidl and Aldi often 20:52:41 Oh there's lidl? Damnit, should've known that 20:52:45 there's also the real bulk stores, Makro and Sligro, but you need a registered company or organization to get access to that 20:52:45 yes 20:52:48 Lidls are everywhere here 20:53:12 Jumbo also sells larger portions for some stuff 20:55:42 Oh neat; friend of mine has been living in Haarlem for well over a year now 20:55:58 and still shops at AH for food all the time; but it's just really expensive and not a lot of options tbh :x 20:58:11 joepie91: http://helloworldquiz.com/ 20:59:25 Amnesthesia: tell him to go to Lidl 20:59:29 I'm sure there's one there 20:59:39 nearly all of the Lidl food is magnitudes better than that of AH 21:00:03 only regular supermarkets I can think of that have better (fresh) food than Lidl are Spar and Jumbo 21:00:07 but both are expensive 21:00:10 more expensive than AH 21:00:17 (for fresh foods) 21:05:14 Your score is 1200! 21:05:16 @ Amnesthesia 21:05:44 Yeah I'm just arguing with him atm because he wants advice for healthy foodz and he's a fake-vegan :p 21:06:46 sigh 21:06:48 okay 21:06:49 Amnesthesia 21:06:50 Is Lidl really that much better than AH? 21:06:58 tell him to look at the ingredients list at the Lidl 21:06:59 Lidl is considered bad quality around here I think 21:07:01 and at the AH 21:07:02 for the foods he eats 21:07:12 he'll find that AH crap is absolutely *stuffed* with artificial everything 21:07:14 and Lidl food is not 21:07:30 and yes, Lidl really is that much better 21:07:47 also, re fake-vegan 21:07:54 they sell vegan stuff at Lidl also afaik 21:08:13 if he's all about fairtrade, they sell that too 21:08:17 or organic, they carry that too 21:08:25 I think I've covered just about every possible excuse now 21:08:26 lol 21:09:39 joepie91: 21:09:42 He insists on wanting lots of protein, but not eating anything that contains it. I tried to suggest alternatives to meat, like eggs etc; but he insists he doesnt eat it. But he eats pancakes (and other stuff people puts eggs into, and admits he's being a hypocrit about it) 21:09:59 He can eat things with eggs IN IT, but he refuses to eat eggs because he doesnt eat eggs. 21:10:54 He's a vegetarian but he keeps wanting to move over to being a vegan, except he just cant and then thinks if he starts eating eggs (for example) he's going the wrong direction >:c I dont think he cares a lot about fairtrade etc 21:11:02 He cares about "animal industry" etc, fuck human labour 21:11:26 sigh 21:11:36 pretty sure Lidl sells 'organic' eggs 21:11:48 also 21:11:51 what the fuck is he doing at the AH 21:11:58 because the AH is just about the worst possible place you could go 21:12:06 if you have *any* kind of special needs or demands 21:13:18 cat is suspiciously sitting on the corner of the fridge 21:13:21 staring at my pan of food 21:16:19 cat is not making any moves to steal my dinner 21:16:30 unsure whether just likes the smell or more malicious intentions 21:19:39 joepie91: haha, what's your cats name? 21:20:17 Poekie 21:20:22 most generic cat name there is in NL 21:20:23 :p 21:20:27 technically wasn't my cat 21:20:30 though I guess it kind of is now 21:20:41 ... since I appear to be the only person on earth she trusts ... 21:20:47 was (ex-)bf's cat 21:20:52 but couldn't live at his place because other cats 21:23:35 http://www.reddit.com/r/ideasfortheadmins/comments/18dvtb/link_upvotes_to_flattr/ < interesting idea from brokep 21:24:03 also, pics of you cat pls 21:24:05 your* 21:24:09 or gtfo 21:25:18 *** aLLamoox has quit (Ping timeout) 21:25:57 *** aLLamoox (aLLamoox@2AC9C94F.5272BBAD.6AACCFAB.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:26:30 aww 21:26:33 joepie91: pics! 21:29:09 yeah 21:29:11 I vote pics 21:29:31 will see if I can find one in a moment 21:30:03 lysobit: meh 21:30:04 already done 21:30:06 with Bitcoin 21:30:24 joepie91: I know about bitcointip, but not quite the same imo 21:30:40 joepie91: this is suggesting that upvotes = flattrs 21:30:41 what's the damn thing called 21:30:42 no 21:30:43 not bitcointip 21:30:47 an independent reddit-like site 21:30:50 whatever it's called 21:30:51 that used Bitcoin as 'upvote currency' 21:30:52 what? 21:30:59 I'm trying to find it 21:31:28 http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcointip 21:32:24 lysobit: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Witcoin 21:32:40 when it says "small" 21:32:48 that means "multiple digits behind the comma/period" small 21:33:01 in a time when Bitcoins were worth a few bucks at the most 21:33:02 :p 21:33:25 I'd prefer if it used the flattr model of a one-time "subscription" payment 21:33:32 otherwise people will be reluctant to upvote 21:33:36 because upvoting costs money 21:33:38 ... 21:33:47 lysobit: that was actually part of the idea 21:33:51 giving more weight to upvotes 21:42:09 *** Amnesthesia has quit (Input/output error) 21:42:40 the implementation would be aweful because of downvotes 21:42:55 people are going to be more downvote-happy than upvote-happy 21:43:09 because downvotes are free 21:43:26 it's a negative cultural shift 21:44:00 pretty sure votes cost the same 21:44:03 no matter whether up or down 21:44:06 that encourages a negative, sadistic mindset 21:44:23 downvotes give the poster btc? 21:44:33 I don't think so 21:44:36 I can't recall the specifics 21:44:43 but afaik there were a few cases where the BTC went to the site as a 'tip' 21:44:46 this might be one of them 21:45:32 sounds like a sadistic business model 21:45:51 anyway, witcoin is a seperate system than reddit right? 21:46:45 (it's currently defunct) 21:46:51 yes 21:49:19 "Holy shit, flattr is still alive? I always thought it was a tremendous idea. It just makes sense." 21:49:24 * joepie91 sighs 21:49:34 comments like this just make me go "wut"? 21:49:35 er 21:49:41 "wut?" * 21:50:53 did you get any donations for anonnews yet? 21:51:03 *** zest (zest@7D686231.D2D1D1DF.AEB828E7.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:51:05 some 21:51:06 not many 21:51:21 maybe you could some sort of crowdfound project 21:51:27 only if YAN didn't poison those waters 21:51:58 imo a journalist needs to cover that 21:52:08 especially since the indiegogo page is deleted 21:56:25 good night! 21:56:28 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 21:56:39 lysobit: indeed 22:05:26 *** aLLamoox has quit (Ping timeout) 22:06:03 *** aLLamoox (aLLamoox@2AC9C94F.5272BBAD.6AACCFAB.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:13:55 imo IRC needs a reform 22:14:11 the only practical way to be a long-time IRC user is by BNC 22:15:31 and loggies 22:22:30 lysobit: IRC needs a good beating 22:22:31 lol 22:22:43 why 22:23:04 it's a mess 22:23:12 true 22:26:26 what joepie91 everything about irc is fine 22:26:38 feds don't use it/let alone know about it 22:26:42 lol 22:26:46 feds 22:26:51 *** zxcvbnm (~crack7765@zxcvbnm.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:26:51 *** lysobit (musalbas@localhost) has joined #crytocc 22:26:54 lol 22:26:54 haha 22:26:56 hmm 22:27:01 why isn't my autorejoin working 22:27:15 lysobit: that's there to deal with influx of annoying kids that somehow made their way over here from anonnews 22:27:20 it was a real problem a few months ago 22:27:27 having 'fed' as trigger kicked out nearly every single one of them 22:27:37 thats funny 22:27:48 just leaving it in place in case it happens again 22:27:54 (their sentences usually start with "feds did this or that") 22:28:27 joepie91 is a fed 22:28:32 joepie91 is a feds 22:28:35 feds 22:28:45 *** lysobit (musalbas@localhost) has joined #crytocc 22:28:57 Fedsora is the new Linux distro out of Washington, DC 22:29:02 *** zxcvbnm (~crack7765@zxcvbnm.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:29:26 hhhehh heh, see what I did there 22:29:36 its like fedora 22:29:40 but not :D 22:31:35 try fedora 22:31:36 :) 22:31:47 no deal :P 22:32:21 fedora 22:32:22 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 22:33:20 Indiscriminate kicking 22:33:30 Sounds like the opportunity for a US military strike 22:34:24 Wut? ChanServ is WMD now!? 22:34:31 ^ 22:34:43 We have multiple security councils investigating that fact 22:35:33 And special secret language distinct from english to talk about it 22:35:45 Excellent 22:35:46 *** lysobit is now known as fed83390118221232832 22:35:47 So when we say "no", we actually mean "holy shit yes, indeed" 22:36:06 Holy shit yes, indeed I am with you there MK_FG 22:37:00 We should have global legalese day, where you're only allowed to speak in Terms of Service 22:37:22 When I say "WE" from here on out I actually mean "YOU" 22:37:50 *** aLLamoox has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:38:00 Someone told that they actually change official language in canada to fit in with what they want law to do :P 22:38:14 *** aLLamoox (aLLamoox@2AC9C94F.5272BBAD.6AACCFAB.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:38:21 Which is kinda hilarious in it's own unrelated way 22:38:36 Don't know how true, of course 22:40:07 Yeah 22:40:23 Last year google claimed to make their ToS "easier" to read 22:40:34 alright I'm out for the day, asta manana 22:40:59 You just made that last bit up didn't you? 22:41:09 So that later you can claim whatever! 22:41:30 MK_FG: mmm... I recall hearing that in Canada some law was passed that made it required for any court stuff to be in regular commonly understood English/French 22:49:43 Heh, probably should be more specific about "commonly understood" part 22:50:14 But as I understand it, it's up to court (e.g. judge) to interpret laws anyway 22:50:40 So if judge says that they read "yes" as "no", it's legit in that court... 23:11:09 MK_FG: the idea was that any accused should always be able to understand the entirety of their trial 23:11:10 iirc 23:11:25 ... without requiring a translator 23:15:34 Heh, yeah, it'd be nice, but they still probably won't, without a translator called "lawyer" 23:21:39 that was the kind of translator I meant 23:21:40 :) 23:26:04 *** aLLamoox has quit (User quit: ) 23:27:37 If it's at least understandable enough so that accused can make a decision whether they need a lawyer, which might be the case if it's in e.g. french when presented to english-speaker, a good thing indeed 23:49:06 honesttly 23:49:08 honestly * 23:49:13 an accused should really not need a lawyer 23:52:09 In a hypothetical ideal world - sure 23:52:32 In reality, if accuser has lawyer and accused don't, that seem to be a non-starter 23:53:16 Because one can't possibly keep track of all the laws in spare time "just in case" with all current judicial systems, I think 23:53:49 Probably even worse in countries like US, where precedents are a thing 23:53:56 which is exactly the problem 23:55:49 Hm, I guess legal system can be vastly simplified if we go to monarchy or anarchy 23:56:15 (monarchy as in absolute-) 23:56:42 So that you have no rights, monarch and appointed representatives decide as they see fit