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Fixing that now.', '02Merge pull request #2141 from tomdickin/masterUpdate s.json -- fixing repo path for Selector' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/b3c9a8c992...9342b23ffb) 13:34:42 *** joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:37:47 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:38:10 *** joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:42:54 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:55:15 .gh start 13:55:20 .github 13:55:21 .gh 13:55:23 .gh help 13:55:26 derp 14:00:07 lol 14:00:43 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 14:05:06 iceTwy! 14:05:08 XMPP! 14:05:09 !!!!! 14:06:28 yes 14:06:30 yes 14:06:32 sec 14:07:01 :P 14:14:23 *** iuyiuy (uiyui@cryto-99E67130.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #crytocc 14:14:28 yes hello 14:14:30 *** iuyiuy is now known as Dwaan 14:17:16 Dwaan 14:17:22 DrWhat 14:17:38 Dwaan 14:17:48 DrWhat 14:17:56 Dwaan 14:18:38 DrWhat 14:18:49 Dwaan 14:19:19 what do you want m8 14:20:22 Your D 14:20:37 anytime bb 14:20:38 I hear your an expert in the 1 inch department 14:21:10 yes 14:21:42 sweet 14:22:09 Ok, come here, Ill sharpen my knife, And i can finaly round off to an even number (12) 14:22:38 lol 14:22:42 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:23:24 *** mama (me@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 14:23:30 mama 14:23:35 :D 14:23:57 *** joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:24:00 I see tow is backonline then 14:24:08 joepie91 14:24:13 joepie91 14:24:20 Fix your damn internernet 14:24:29 Im sorry :) 14:24:34 I know your story :) 14:24:44 * DrWhat pets joepie91 14:24:51 * DrWhat slaps Dwaan around a bit with a large AnacønÐa 14:24:59 what DrWhat ? 14:25:13 Im still here 14:25:55 lol 14:28:37 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:29:12 *** joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:29:20 fuck my ISP 14:29:21 fuck it so much 14:29:21 asdasdfggasdf 14:29:25 joepie91 14:29:30 maybe 14:29:31 Dwaan: hai. 14:29:35 stop dumpster diving 14:29:39 get a house and real internet 14:29:40 ??? 14:29:42 profit 14:29:58 Dwaan, you might be in the wrong channel if you just want to mess around 14:30:22 and how the fuck do I set openvpn keepalive in networkmanager 14:30:23 asdfasdfasdfasdf 14:30:24 oh god 14:30:39 i make a simple statement 14:30:49 YOU MIGHT BE IN THE WRONG CHANNEL 14:30:51 its the truth but 14:30:54 i am here to chat 14:31:05 also im p sure you can just put 'keepalive' in the openvpn.conf 14:31:19 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 14:31:35 Dwaan: I strongly suspect that networkmanager overrides any default config 14:32:06 true 14:32:19 why not just connect to the vpn from the terminal then 14:33:00 because then probably other shit in networkmanager breaks 14:33:08 lol 14:35:57 *** joepie91 has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 14:35:58 *** joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:37:05 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 14:39:04 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:46:13 *** joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:46:32 great 14:46:32 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/280160 14:49:43 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:58:21 *** Half_of_a_zero has quit (Input/output error) 15:05:37 *** joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:27:16 well 15:27:20 now we wait for reconnect 15:27:24 and then we know how well the patch works 15:29:48 joepie91 I mite disapear again soon 15:31:29 DrWhat: how so? 15:31:47 Just mire 15:31:54 ? 15:31:57 mte* 15:32:34 (unrelated, it's incredible how many idiots are speculating completely idiotic stuff on the - sourced! - slashdot post about silk road) 15:32:56 DrWhat: well yes, but why 15:33:13 undocumented reasons 15:33:54 http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/02/167220/silk-road-shut-down-founder-arrested-36-million-worth-of-bitcoin-seized?sdsrc=popbyskid 15:34:23 is that was 27,000 Bitcoin is worth? 15:34:26 37 million 15:34:59 they are wrong 15:35:03 is 3.4 million 15:35:27 DrWhat: there are large amounts of "wrong" in that thread 15:35:42 I think you'd be done quicker if you were asked to point out the sensible statements 15:35:55 Im not reading it 15:35:59 Just off the title 15:36:00 :P 15:36:54 joepie91, take that url, remove 0http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/02/167220/ and remove 0sdsrc=popbyskid and you have the real title :P 15:37:08 ah, right 15:37:12 get it 15:37:20 yeah, I usually ignore URL 15:37:21 :p 15:37:35 no do you GET IT! 15:38:21 * DrWhat facepalms 15:38:24 He doesnt get iot 15:38:33 * DrWhat slaps joepie91 around a bit with a large AnacønÐa 15:52:59 *** IFailStuff has quit (Ping timeout) 16:02:53 *** Dwaan has quit (User quit: Leaving) 16:26:39 *** ebola (ebola@ebola.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:37:56 *** DrWhat has quit (Ping timeout) 16:44:56 *** IFailStuff (IFS@cryto-B0F72B24.customer.cdi.no) has joined #crytocc 16:50:02 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 17:05:01 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:32:03 morning joepie91 :) 17:32:29 cayce: morning 17:32:40 * joepie91 is stuck on a UX problem 17:32:48 It's interesting watching this shit rage back and forth on twitter about the girl 17:32:55 wat? 17:33:00 cause now it's turned into "there needs to be less alcohol at cons" 17:33:10 and that is NOT going to happen 17:33:17 I've been pretty much disconnected from the rest of the interest for the past 36 hours or so 17:33:20 s/interest/internet/ 17:33:21 context? 17:33:30 my twitter feed, shared an article yesterday 17:33:41 iceTwy and I talked about it too 17:33:46 (in here) 17:33:47 oh that 17:33:52 yeah 17:33:58 yeah, it's down to "less booze" 17:34:03 which is SO not gonna happen 17:35:02 booze and the talks are two equal draws to the cons... take one away... 17:35:24 that and I think half of infosec is solidly alcoholic lol 17:35:35 (I think half is charitable) 17:35:47 cayce: having trouble locating exact context 17:35:49 link? 17:36:37 .tw https://twitter.com/Aranjedeath/status/389076593034809344 17:36:38 This is enraging. Like, fist through wall. http://b.explodie.org/167zDZG by @SaltineJustine (@Aranjedeath) 17:36:53 * joepie91 click 17:36:58 also, URL shorteners are evil 17:37:10 * cayce shrugs 17:37:15 * cayce grins 17:37:28 tweetdeck does it for me :P 17:37:41 doesn't make it less evil... 17:37:51 .tw https://twitter.com/joepie91/status/389387359810113537 17:37:52 And THIS is why URL shorteners are a fucking awful idea; bre.ad deleting all URLs in 30 days after acquired by Yahoo. http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/yahoo-acquires-ad-service-url-shortner-bread-113101300257_1.html (@joepie91) 17:38:09 I did paste that into #archiveteam-bs 17:38:15 their shutdown notice 17:39:26 I know 17:39:29 was just providing context 17:39:29 :P 17:39:46 I'm still not even sure what yahoo bought there 17:39:52 I mean other than a bunch of broken links 17:40:08 maybe that's the idea after all? buy things that break the largest number of links? 17:40:28 cayce: that, or talent acquisition 17:40:33 or however it's officially called 17:40:39 I mean yeah, that's what bread was 17:40:41 but still 17:40:46 everything they buy is dead links 17:40:59 "hey we see that you guys have a few devs that are good at X and it's going to be hard to convince them to leave you... so we just buy your entire company" 17:41:06 acuihire * 17:41:09 it's not uncommon 17:41:15 I guess 17:41:18 acquihire 17:41:19 there we go 17:41:25 but doesn't acquihire normally apply to lead devs/managers/etc.? 17:41:29 rather than rest of staff 17:41:42 if the price is low enough probably doesn't matter 17:41:53 get rid of the rest of the staff you don't need with nice parachutes over the next year? 17:42:22 If it allows you to dig directly into a market or problem you think will make a bunch of money, it's nothing to do that 17:42:36 aware 17:43:22 cuter side of the internet: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/10/tofu-a-twitter-account-after-ones-own-tweets.html 17:43:36 (as a counterbalance) 17:45:24 this article reminds me of how excited I am that google is trying to ditch "seo" people 17:45:51 I'd paste the article but it's not that good 17:45:52 lol 17:48:25 TigerText... 17:48:30 didn't they have a giant vuln a while ago 17:48:38 dunno who are they 17:48:43 I've seen that name today 17:48:49 from the article you linked 17:48:54 btw, joepie91 17:48:56 oh 17:49:00 I vaguely recognize them as being in a "something about them is crap" mental list 17:49:01 :P 17:49:02 hmm 17:49:03 I've just noticed you've over 3k followers on Twitter 17:49:04 ;p 17:49:08 :) 17:49:08 iceTwy: mm? 17:49:18 yes yes twitter loves joepie longtime 17:49:23 yeah, most def 17:49:47 I've been slowly acquiring followers over the year, but I've never done anything important 17:49:53 so, no rash of 'em 17:51:00 iceTwy: probably mostly inactive accounts that followed me as a result of the whole lulzsec misinfo thing two years (?) ago 17:51:01 lol 17:51:18 oh 17:51:21 yeah 17:51:24 BUT STILL 17:51:26 :p 17:51:33 there's a bunch of active followers indeed 17:52:17 yap 17:52:25 man 17:52:31 french press coffee is so delicious 17:52:34 awh 17:52:41 "tweetdeck has crashed" 17:52:57 looks like I oom'd again, linux shot like 30 tabs down 17:52:58 lulz 17:53:02 HAHAHAHAHA 17:53:04 HAH 17:53:09 Go to internet.bs 17:53:14 this is why I love a non-gimp'd kernel 17:53:15 Take a look at the price of .us domains 17:53:31 ooh 17:53:34 that's cheap enough I'd buy one 17:53:43 rofl 17:54:09 lol 17:54:36 don't count on me to ever, ever buy .us domains though 17:54:45 I'd rather give out my VPS and my passwords 17:54:45 and my SSH keys 17:54:57 YAY 17:55:00 CHATTING WITH QUINN 17:55:02 * cayce bounces 17:55:08 erm 17:55:10 quinn? 17:55:17 @quinnnorton 17:55:18 I have a vague feeling that 17:55:27 favorite reporter, former girlfriend to aaronsq 17:55:31 -q+w 17:56:05 ah 17:56:26 she's a very nice lady (though prickly at times I recall) 17:56:37 quinn is awesme person 17:56:40 awesome, even 17:56:47 cayce: her? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_Norton 17:57:09 OH RIGHTTTTTTTTTt 17:57:12 I do remember 17:57:41 yes her 17:57:58 I was crying for her when aaronsw died, not him 17:59:12 need suggestions 17:59:12 http://owely.com/713OvfN 17:59:22 want to have some kind of way to add properties 17:59:28 UX-wise 17:59:30 how do? 17:59:36 modal popup is bad 17:59:46 not really enough space inside window 17:59:58 popping up another window would make the relationship between the two windows non-obvious 18:00:00 oh, that's just what I was going to say 18:00:17 side note: form must not only contain name and value 18:00:20 but also source and reliability 18:00:25 and optionally 'property type' 18:00:31 I know nothing about ux so I'd put an add property button right next to the properties and then expand the window to fit an edit thing 18:00:43 expand to where? 18:00:48 like, in what direction 18:00:52 down 18:00:57 (if needed 18:00:58 ) 18:01:10 I dunno how big your property editor needs 18:01:13 lol, grammar 18:01:17 lol 18:01:24 four or five fields per entry 18:01:34 just allow adding one entry at a time? 18:01:37 and clear out form fields for reuse? 18:02:33 If you fit a small "don't clear boxes when adding" checkbox, it could be used repeatedly 18:02:44 how do you mean? 18:02:49 ditto on actual mass adding though 18:02:59 like you've got your fields filled, and you're about to submit 18:03:04 "ad" 18:03:07 add even 18:03:23 but that normally would destroy the fields and remove them from the window 18:03:39 (and show the new property ) 18:03:45 ah, so "remove form from view" vs "clear out form" 18:03:51 ? 18:03:52 but if there's a box right there to not clear the boxes and destroy the entries 18:03:59 kinda yeah 18:04:09 I'm suggesting not even clearing the form, but yours sounds more logical 18:05:03 cayce: thanks, your ideas were quite helpful :P 18:05:06 I think I know how to go about this 18:05:40 yeah even if I'm wrong, it lets you think about it 18:05:46 I dunno shit about ux but I can spew words 18:05:47 :D 18:06:04 design isn't something I've studied yet 18:06:07 gimme 10 years tho 18:06:26 words! 18:06:27 :P 18:06:42 and well, I haven't really studied UX/design either 18:06:51 I just apply psychology plus seeing people using shit in practice 18:06:58 plus self-analysis 18:07:01 yeah 18:07:05 as in, "okay what about this annoyed me?" 18:07:14 I'd try to find really good examples before "shit used in practice" 18:07:21 because most stuff in practice is exactly that, shit 18:08:52 ugh man 18:09:06 web is unusable without adblock, noscript, and requestpolicy 18:09:09 this is so bad 18:09:18 ads? those still exist? :P 18:09:20 and I still didn't like ff with all that shit, but the web worked reasonable 18:09:29 I don't ordinarily use ad blockers 18:09:35 never have 18:09:43 but yeah, I avoid "X and Y do this" because X and Y usually don't have the foggiest what they're doing either 18:09:51 it used to be the overhead of adblockers was higher than the ads being blocked 18:09:56 that has now reversed I think 18:10:02 heh 18:10:24 joepie91:) at some point when my boss gets some up to date pro level shit out there, I'll link you so you can look 18:10:37 to say she's good is an understatement 18:11:13 (she's close, actually. couple jobs right now iirc) 18:11:39 I see 18:13:33 *** IFailStuff has quit (Ping timeout) 18:14:08 man, so much money http://mattermark.com/ 18:14:14 $499/month per seat 18:14:22 and that's the cheapest plan! 18:14:41 cayce: haven't even gotten past the yellow line and I already hate that 18:14:48 hahaha 18:14:50 yep 18:15:17 * joepie91 nope.avi's out 18:16:00 also this is interesting: https://about.twitter.com/alerts/participating-organizations 18:16:10 twitter... alerts? 18:16:12 >_> 18:16:22 problem is they're all too broad 18:16:27 I don't want alerts for texas 18:17:09 and blm? why do they have alerts 18:17:19 "man in socal is shooting at idiots again" 18:17:24 "please keep clear" 18:17:41 but really <3 blm 18:18:25 *** IFailStuff (IFS@cryto-B0F72B24.customer.cdi.no) has joined #crytocc 18:21:47 *** IFailStuff has quit (Ping timeout) 18:23:21 not sure how I feel about emergency alerts from the dept homeland security 18:24:33 haha win 18:24:46 twitter has a symbol on tweets not in my language which it can automatically translate 18:24:48 epoch 18:27:26 * cayce sits and follows 150 twitters 18:32:55 cayce: you should never have shown me your NP script 18:33:15 oh? 18:33:16 why 18:33:16 :D 18:33:33 NP: [Coeur De Pirate - Comme Des Enfants] [Coeur De Pirate] [830kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 18:33:51 well 18:34:07 because I've made one for HexChat 18:34:18 and I'm nearly done writing this one for WeeChat 18:34:24 (it already works, I'm adding all the extra stuff) 18:34:28 NP: Of Reality - Eclipse by TesseracT - from Altered State (Instrumental) (2013) 18:34:28 :> 18:34:37 at least you gave me a nice idea 18:34:38 I use mine in hexchat now 18:34:41 dropped right in 18:34:41 heh 18:34:47 https://github.com/iceTwy/hexchat 18:34:51 erm 18:34:55 https://github.com/iceTwy/xchat-deadbeef 18:35:17 one day I'll rewrite it and use hook_process's 18:35:18 n.n 18:35:20 instead of subprocess 18:35:56 the modules for the WeeChat NP script include nothing else than WeeChat's own module 18:36:04 (i.e. import weechat, and that's it) 18:38:27 lol 18:38:29 erm 18:40:00 I keep thinking weechat is chinese 18:40:12 "SHING SHONG WEEEE CHAT TOGEDAR" 18:40:26 well, no. as a matter of fact, WeeChat is French 18:40:35 FlashCode, the main dev/founder, is French 18:40:40 hmm 18:40:53 so I'm glad I'm using WeeChat, too 18:40:55 ;p 18:45:22 this is still so good http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/derbycon3/2202-the-cavalry-is-us-protecting-the-public-good-and-our-profession-josh-corman 18:45:28 (1hr video) 18:47:46 fuck http://qz.com/134630/cyclone-phailin-is-set-to-become-the-strongest-india-has-ever-seen/ 18:47:59 (yesterday india had evacuated 500k people) 19:00:03 *** Zoned has quit (Client exited) 19:01:39 well it's nice that the average size of fonts have increased on the web in the last few years 19:01:54 doesn't excuse bullshit like this, where less than 1/3 of my screen is actually the article, though 19:01:58 http://www.businessinsider.com/coinx-bitcoin-exchange-2013-10 19:02:00 .title 19:02:02 cayce: CoinX Bitcoin Exchange - Business Insider 19:05:28 *** Zoned (sexybitch@Zoned.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:06:01 *** x has quit (Broken pipe) 19:08:45 *** AnonO_o (AnonO_o@anonO_o) has joined #crytocc 19:08:48 hai 19:09:01 Anyone know how to communicate Thread in ruby? 19:11:29 gotta setup ANOTHER irc server 19:12:43 yay? 19:14:39 *** LapAnon (Adrian@cryto-812F49C0.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 19:14:46 i suppose 19:14:55 i cant believe this server costed me $72 19:14:57 in romania 19:16:02 expensive for romania? 19:18:28 yea 19:22:34 joepie91:) am I wrong in thinking purecss's responsive menu isn't any different than mine? http://purecss.io/menus/#horizontal-menu vs https://explodie.org/ 19:22:49 *** joepie91 has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 19:22:52 in fact I think mine performs just a hair better 19:23:03 *** joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:23:12 loggy, pointer? 19:23:12 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-10-13#T19-23-12 19:23:17 joepie91:) ^ :) 19:24:56 I need to make my buttons a hair more robust at small sizes, but they collapse just how they should 19:29:53 cayce: idk 19:30:01 I'd imagine the Pure one is full of browser-quirk-support 19:30:33 I don't need that since mostly IE users can't even access my site due to lack of cipher support 19:31:03 (new IE can, but I'm not worried about them. New IE displays reasonably.) 19:31:28 I'm looking at side-by-side functionality, not backwards compat 19:31:48 though I also don't need multilayer menus or whatever like theirs does 19:31:59 though it might be a nice exercise to steal their code and remove all the bullshit 19:35:32 .tw https://twitter.com/Aranjedeath/status/389474429194862592 19:35:32 How much of the market are you willing to throw under the bus so you don't have to deal with old browser issues? #webdev #webdesign #code (@Aranjedeath) 19:40:02 I'm fairly sure webkit fanbois and corp backers will make sure you won't have to deal with that in the near future ;) 19:40:59 well even hsl, which is something few have heard about, only throws 15% of the market under the bus to use 19:41:17 that seems like a high number, but not really 19:41:25 since it's basically IE<=8 19:41:49 I'd think it just doesn't target "office drones" market ;) 19:41:59 That's where ie6 lurks 19:42:55 *** complex (complex@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:43:10 Heh, it'd actually make sense to build nsfw site deliberately ie6-incompatible 19:43:15 well I wish office drones would at least run ie8 19:43:26 hahaha yeah 19:43:28 Not up to them ;) 19:43:32 I know :| 19:51:01 *** stanone (Adrian@cryto-812F49C0.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 19:52:33 *** LapAnon has quit (Ping timeout) 19:53:41 I love when people write "basic responsive menus for mobile" which require you to hover a mouse to activate the menu 19:53:58 yes, because "hover" is a great design pattern for mobile 19:54:00 fucking idiots 19:54:06 but but... hover! 19:54:12 Even desktop users haet hover 19:54:28 cayce: you know what has to die? 19:54:37 hover menus that have a delay between hover and display 19:54:42 YES WORDPRESS, LOOKING AT YOU 19:55:29 that wordpress.com top bar has to die 19:55:32 seriously 19:55:33 hahaha 19:56:01 it has a delay that's *just* long enough to subconsciously decide "okay this is not going to show me a menu, *click*" 19:56:04 repeatedly 19:56:08 * joepie91 flips tables 20:02:21 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:04:50 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:20:35 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 20:23:25