00:00:06 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 00:12:19 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 00:16:08 .title http://blog.openmandriva.org/en 00:16:11 DrWhat: OpenMandriva 00:19:05 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:26:08 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:26:13 Hey 00:26:23 cayce you here? 00:26:34 Macbeth:) yes why 00:26:50 What font do you use when creating those buttons? 00:27:11 what buttons 00:27:32 the buttons I hand made or the others 00:27:50 It's all the same font 00:28:23 well since I didn't use a font on my hand made ones, can't be 00:28:36 but assuming you mean the rest, it's called silks. just use http://80x15.com/ 00:29:09 Oh, that's so awesome, thank you! 00:29:15 yeah np 00:34:56 cayce: so you add in the picture with an editor yourself or does the site have a function for that? 00:37:12 the ones with images either aren't mine or weren't made using that site 00:37:40 the ones I made with images I made wholly by hand. no pasting images in, I actually hand reproduced the image 00:37:42 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 00:38:02 Oh, alright 00:38:06 Thank you :) 00:38:07 all the ones on the bottom aren't mine 00:38:11 Alrighty 00:38:17 and they're from a different generator 00:38:20 though I don't know which 00:38:26 if you find it, tell me 00:38:27 oh, ok 00:38:28 :P 00:38:31 ill do some looking 00:38:34 thx for the help :) 00:38:37 * Macbeth is away: 00:38:44 I only handmade telecomix and prismatic 00:41:49 and I had to isolate the cloudflare one because their 80x15 is made of fuckery and javascript 00:42:04 they try to make it "asynchronous" like faggots 00:42:23 even though it loads 1000x faster by being on my server, because you'd be using spdy 00:42:55 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:43:26 ha ha thank you 00:45:27 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 00:52:24 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:53:33 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 01:01:36 *** ShadowDemonX is now known as ShadowDemon 01:11:28 * DrWhat pokes cayce 01:11:52 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:11:55 Your name is smexy :D 01:12:06 i want to kiss yuo 01:13:09 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 01:14:00 le yawn 01:15:21 *** Topiary (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:15:46 DrWhat: yes you have, you just can't remember them 01:16:13 How would you know if i cant remeber them ? 01:16:30 becuase if i cant remeber? then it doesnt exsist 01:17:05 annyway 01:17:10 nyte 01:18:45 goodnight iceTwi :P 01:18:47 wow 01:18:49 iceTwy * 01:19:22 iceTwi 01:19:33 that's kind of how French people pronounce my nickname joepie91 01:19:35 :D 01:19:42 or rather, they pronounce it like "icetwee" 01:19:52 and I'm like 'ergh :/' 01:20:22 eeh-suh-twee 01:20:23 :P 01:20:45 just like they say shiDharp 01:20:52 shiSharp* 01:21:18 stupid french 01:24:52 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:26:10 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 01:27:15 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 01:28:56 You guys are mean 01:29:02 Actually, just DrWhat 01:29:09 * Macbeth is back (gone 00:50:33) 01:29:24 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:30:42 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 01:30:56 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Disconnecting from server) 01:31:42 Macbeth, on that note: http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-10-23#T22-22-27 01:31:43 lol that's how I pronounce his name too 01:31:54 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:31:58 ice-twee 01:33:10 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 01:33:11 *** Thor has quit (User quit: Quitte) 01:34:22 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:36:01 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 01:37:13 I read it, joepie91 01:37:15 Thanks 01:37:30 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:37:36 But maybe you should create a pastebin that has specific rules and guidelines? 01:37:42 That may help 01:38:06 I so friggin hate some of the people that get into #opnewblood 01:38:10 Such retards. 01:38:14 "help me ddos my school" 01:38:31 "please hack my cup of tea for me!" 01:38:36 judus priest! 01:38:40 get out! 01:38:58 *** h (h@cryto-BBB8CB0B.deniablevpn.net) has joined #crytocc 01:39:05 *** h is now known as Dwaan 01:39:06 joepie91, 01:39:11 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 01:39:19 Is it seriously you again?! 01:39:28 *** Topiary has quit (Ping timeout) 01:40:01 You would like to know that the channel has recently put new rules into effect so no moar threats of DDoS even though you don't know how, and be nice, Dwaan 01:41:21 *** Topiary (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:44:31 lmfao 01:45:37 Macbeth, ddos coming faggot 01:45:41 what u gonna do about it 01:45:49 same goes for you Topiary 01:45:56 alright 01:46:00 When is the ddos getting here? 01:46:05 joepie91 will never ban me 01:46:06 lol 01:46:13 Dwaan 01:46:17 what I said also applies to you 01:46:22 lol 01:46:27 challenge accepted 01:46:35 how do you tolerate this autism 01:46:47 also 01:46:47 Someone ban this piece of shit 01:46:47 joepie91, 01:46:51 MK_FG 01:46:52 this ajanti is giving me the shits 01:46:54 Please ban 01:46:59 MK_FG 01:47:05 installed from git 01:47:08 Macbeth, it also applies to you 01:47:09 Macbeth, i agree this time 01:47:10 does not work properly 01:47:16 Please be online... This is a bad time to be afk 01:47:22 OK, I;m sorry joe 01:47:25 Someone pls ban him 01:47:31 get out 01:47:41 Macbeth; I've already explained that bans are an absolute last measure 01:47:49 asking for bans will not result in a ban 01:47:56 so stop doing so 01:48:01 because joepie has a good attitude 01:48:05 if you have issues with someone, let me know 01:48:05 unlike the typical anonops 01:48:08 I DO NOT LIKE THIS 01:48:09 and I'll figure out what to do 01:48:10 BAN 01:48:10 BAN 01:48:12 Alright 01:48:17 Joe, I have an issue with Dwann. 01:48:21 He has been logging in trolling 01:48:25 yes, I figured as much. 01:48:28 threatening ddos and hack 01:48:36 yeah, i know you figured it out, you're not stupid 01:48:38 ^ 01:48:59 So based on the link that u gave me this is a mute 01:49:02 correct 01:49:04 ? 01:49:14 Macbeth: except A. he has actually had normal conversation here 01:49:28 more so than any of you 01:49:37 and B. I don't think he is even aware of what I said 01:49:40 been around longer 01:49:40 as he came in after I linked 01:49:43 Dwaan: don't push it 01:49:48 ;) 01:49:58 Dwaan: http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-10-23#T22-22-27 01:50:09 Alright I understand 01:50:17 Dwaan: make sure to read that 01:50:23 n e tl;dr 01:51:14 Dwaan: read it. 01:52:56 macbeth, xmpp? 01:53:16 R0y4lty 01:53:19 Alright 01:53:21 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-10-23#T22-22-27 01:53:30 please read and acknowledge that you have read it 01:53:31 R0y4lty is Zoned 01:53:39 as you are on the warning list alraedy 01:53:49 (cry) 01:53:56 PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUCEMENT 01:55:18 well looks like she read the link... 01:55:35 ha ha 01:56:50 joepie91, can we have a drama channel? 01:57:00 R0y4lty: sure, make one 01:57:08 lmfao, sec 01:57:09 #general 01:57:10 #ddos 01:57:14 k done. 01:57:20 get in there, kiddos 01:57:21 #macbeth <- legit 01:57:40 yeah 02:01:24 How do i open a pull request? 02:01:30 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:01:30 on github 02:02:48 Macbeth: http://owely.com/4edzTX 02:03:05 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 02:03:44 no general channel made? 02:04:08 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:04:21 #general 02:04:24 there is #general 02:05:35 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 02:10:43 joe i know how to get that far but it always give me some shit 02:10:59 * joepie91 personally doesn't really like github UI 02:11:05 http://puu.sh/4XUOX.png 02:11:13 I dont like github ui either 02:14:59 lulz: how i learn to be anonymous 02:15:24 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:16:47 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 02:18:26 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:20:52 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:21:08 joepie91 how many connections do you allow per ip 02:21:55 Dwaan: not sure, but that question usually doesn't bring much good. 02:22:09 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 02:23:26 ikr 02:25:11 3 02:25:16 Irc.lc says 3 02:25:34 because that is the default lol 02:30:33 joepie91: what should i do from here? 02:30:34 http://puu.sh/4XUOX.png 02:30:49 Macbeth: I really don't know 02:30:50 tbh 02:30:50 :p 02:32:31 I hate github 02:47:27 *** Topiary has quit (Ping timeout) 02:57:53 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:59:14 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 03:03:54 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:05:05 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 03:20:49 *** Topiary (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:31:15 *** Topiary has quit (Ping timeout) 03:34:21 *** Topiary (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:42:37 *** Topiary has quit (Ping timeout) 03:43:25 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:44:51 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 03:48:12 *** Macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 04:01:05 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:05:31 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:07:01 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 04:24:51 *** Macbeth has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:24:55 LOL 04:24:57 demolished 04:26:02 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:26:06 Macbeth, 04:26:15 Macbeth, 04:26:53 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:27:02 yes? 04:27:22 how was it 04:27:41 I know that this isnt going anywhere that great, but how was what? 04:27:51 the lolfloods 04:28:01 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 04:28:03 Oh, that was you? 04:28:11 I thought it was another network 04:28:33 lol 04:28:48 Eh, I've gotten worse 04:29:32 Ban ban ban 04:29:42 Yeap 04:29:47 That's what I'm thinking 04:29:53 yay, joe is op again!! 04:30:14 I bet he can be anytime, it's his irds ;) 04:30:26 naw, he lost his account 04:30:30 he cant do anything right now 04:31:15 I think it just means he's lazy to recover it, not that it's hard or impossible 04:31:24 yeah, i know 04:31:34 And he *was* lazy, too - now he's back to 91 ;) 04:31:50 epic 04:31:57 Alright, someone please ban this guy 04:32:19 shit 04:33:03 HES FLOODING MY PM 04:33:08 BAN HIM NOW PLEASE 04:33:14 MAKE HIM STOP 04:33:21 HES GLOODHIUNH I CANTD STOP HIOS 04:33:27 huh? 04:33:29 MY ENTISE SYSTEM IS TOATLY LAG 04:34:11 *** Macbeth has quit (User quit: Macbeth) 04:34:19 :O 04:34:48 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:34:54 h 04:35:07 ur gonna get banned from the network 04:35:10 so do what ever you want 04:35:36 MK_FG just ban him already!! 04:35:38 wtf 04:36:12 hes flooding my pm again, MK_FG 04:37:15 dunno what you're talkin about 04:37:16 lel 04:37:22 also i cant get network banned 04:37:33 joepie knows i will evade for ever 04:38:11 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:39:23 lol 04:39:25 he finally caught on 04:39:31 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 04:39:33 *** Dwaan has quit (User has been banned from Cryto IRC ([Dwaan] Malicious bots are not allowed on this network.)) 04:40:17 *** Macbeth has quit (User quit: Macbeth) 04:40:26 *** Dwaan (root@63B94297.7A396845.8AF2E0E6.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:40:28 lololol 04:40:37 good job joepie91 04:41:04 Dwaan: quit that. 04:41:26 HAHA 04:41:30 se that macbeth^ 04:41:34 just havin some fun 04:41:37 brb smoke 04:43:06 joepie91: unban my znc box 04:43:12 irssi is annoying 04:43:23 Dwaan: sure, if you stop flooding users 04:43:32 or channels for that matter 04:43:38 unless you make your own channel to flood in 04:43:38 i didnt flood any chanels 04:43:42 wat 04:43:56 Dwaan: tl;dr don't cause unsolicited trouble for other users 04:44:11 one day ill make macbeth quit life 04:44:12 if you want to have a #lolflood then go ahead, as long as it doesn't affect anything outside that channel 04:44:20 and go fight out your personal vendettas elsewhere 04:44:23 yes? 04:44:25 lol 04:44:26 yes 04:44:29 for now 04:44:35 not "for now" 04:44:39 I want this shit out of here 04:44:40 permanently 04:45:23 if you agree with that, then PM me the IP/host to unban, and I will 04:45:29 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:46:53 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:47:07 also, Dwaan, how the hell do you manage to have 'self collisions' with your bots 04:47:16 like, really 04:48:02 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 04:50:41 lol 04:52:40 joepie91: running 2 instances of flooder with same nick list cos im lazy 04:52:47 joepie91: moscow.deniablevpn.net 04:52:56 *** Macbeth has parted #crytocc (None) 04:53:02 k 04:53:13 done 04:53:19 ^_^ 04:53:25 *** h (h@cryto-BBB8CB0B.deniablevpn.net) has joined #crytocc 04:53:27 *** h is now known as Dwaaan 04:53:33 ahoy 04:54:23 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:55:23 Macbeth: welcome back 04:55:24 http://politicalblindspot.com/scientists-invent-lightbulbs-that-emit-wi-fi/ 04:55:53 .title 04:55:54 Macbeth: Scientists Invent Lightbulbs That Emit Wi-Fi | Political Blind Spot 04:55:59 Nice 04:56:23 huh 04:56:25 that's actually kinda cool 04:56:31 and seems perfect for short-range meshnets 04:57:20 hoping it's accurate news 04:57:21 :P 04:57:28 reliability of that site seems... questionable 04:57:34 lulz 04:57:46 yeah thats what i thought 04:57:49 that said 04:57:53 sounds like some nut jobs website 04:57:54 broken clock, twice a day, etc. 04:57:56 would be cool 04:58:30 joepie91 04:58:44 mm 04:58:44 know any open src hosting control panel that works with windows iis/mssql? 04:58:50 hm 04:58:59 I know one exists 04:59:02 but I forgot what it's called 04:59:08 also no idea if it's still maintained 04:59:26 hm 04:59:27 ok 05:00:16 Dwaaan: http://www.websitepanel.net/ 05:00:18 it was this one I think 05:00:30 "WebsitePanel is a complete portal for Cloud Computing Companies and IT Providers to automate the provisioning of a full suite of services on Windows servers. The powerful, flexible open source WebsitePanel platform gives users simple point-and-click control over Windows Server applications including IIS, SQL Server, Exchange 2010, Sharepoint 2010, OCS, Lync and Hyper-V Deployments." 05:01:25 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:01:25 ya just found that one 05:01:28 lookin good 05:02:08 I recognize the name 05:02:12 so it's probably the one I was thinking of :P 05:02:32 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 05:04:20 wha 05:04:24 it's 7 AM already 05:04:26 * joepie91 needs sleep 05:06:08 What 05:06:14 p 05:06:18 up 05:06:34 * KorgLakai is drnk 05:06:38 hahahahahaa 05:07:02 d 05:07:04 r 05:07:06 u 05:07:09 n 05:07:10 k 05:07:20 :) 05:07:28 Don't do anything that you're going to think was a bad idea tomorrow 05:10:30 *** Topiary (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:10:31 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:12:01 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 05:15:09 *** Topiary has quit (User quit: Topiary) 05:15:22 *** Topiary (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:15:55 *** Topiary has quit (Client exited) 05:16:59 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 05:22:25 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 05:29:53 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:31:02 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 05:31:14 *** skill3r (skill3r@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 05:32:53 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:34:02 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 05:40:54 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:42:02 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 05:44:40 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:47:02 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 05:48:32 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 05:52:20 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:52:25 h 05:52:32 *** Topiary (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:52:50 Is there something special about "h" or does it mean "hello"? 05:53:09 it is a greeting 05:53:15 Oh, alrigt 05:53:16 it is not hello 05:53:17 awesome 05:53:20 lol 05:53:38 dammit 05:53:51 i got punched in the jaw and i cant even chew 05:54:07 ... 05:57:06 lol 05:57:07 why 05:57:33 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 05:57:37 I was playing soccer 05:57:41 Went for the ball 05:57:48 Someone else wanted it too.... 05:58:07 We ran into each other 05:58:08 hard 05:58:38 He didn't mean do, but I got punched in the jaw off to one side 05:58:52 lol 05:59:02 gws 05:59:23 I don't know what that means 05:59:26 how old are you 05:59:37 It's not a kids league. 05:59:46 I'll just say that 06:00:32 Macbeth, we thot u were 9 >< 06:00:38 soz 06:00:39 why is everyone so secretive about it lol 06:00:41 nobody cares 06:00:47 i answer anything 06:01:14 What is your IP, name, address, phone number, social security, bank numbers, hair color, and gender? 06:01:16 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:01:28 ok most things 06:01:29 lol 06:01:30 but Dwaaan even if we told the truth how wld u know its true? 06:01:37 everyone knows my real name 06:01:40 and location 06:01:46 and age 06:02:15 Really? 06:02:21 What's your real name? 06:02:24 Location? 06:02:26 Age? 06:02:31 dylan 06:02:33 perth 06:02:35 18 06:03:08 dylans a nice name..for a nice boy..but ur not nice D: 06:03:13 hahaha 06:03:20 :( 06:03:34 Be nice :L 06:03:41 u r Dwaan right? lol 06:03:46 with double a 06:04:11 *** Dwaan has quit (User quit: leaving) 06:04:16 *** Dwaaan is now known as Dwaan 06:05:47 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 06:08:34 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:20:03 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 06:22:56 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:31:26 *** Topiary has quit (Client exited) 06:44:33 *** Topiary (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:45:39 *** zxcvbnm has quit (Ping timeout) 06:47:42 *** zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm@9F88BA40.33FD1BC3.D4256504.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:54:34 *** Topiary has quit (Client exited) 07:05:08 *** Thetalkinghedge (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:07:04 h 07:07:18 h 07:07:47 h 07:08:08 standard greeting nowadays :D 07:09:13 *** cayce has quit (Ping timeout) 07:09:44 *** x (foobar@C35CA8A8.589C91BA.8F6A2B14.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:09:57 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:11:36 theres all sort of funny people in here 07:11:40 more like, 07:11:42 dicks 07:11:53 ddos coming faggot 07:12:10 lolo hi Dwaan 07:12:27 yo br 07:12:29 ha ha, hey Dwaan 07:13:06 oi 07:13:29 If you're having code problems, I feel bad for you son. I've got 99 problems, but a glitch ain't one! 07:14:12 i lold 07:14:26 hahaha 07:20:46 *** mama (me@cryto-CF95923E.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 07:21:23 mama 07:21:26 hello mama 07:21:53 http://imgur.com/gallery/ZgjCI 07:21:55 .title 07:21:55 Macbeth: Disarm Wednesday? - Imgur 07:25:34 *** cayce (cayce@cayce.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:27:18 http://imgur.com/gallery/XNH6u6m 07:27:21 .title 07:27:21 Macbeth: When my gf wants me to share food with her. - Imgur 07:32:06 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:33:36 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 07:35:00 *** ShadowDemon (ShadowDemo@ShadowDemon.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:35:30 Dwaan :) 07:35:39 hello ack 07:36:07 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 07:36:13 http://imgur.com/S9Roz40 07:36:14 .title 07:36:15 Macbeth: I remember the terrable days of AOL - Imgur 07:39:55 This made me happy: 07:39:56 http://imgur.com/gallery/eafqioE 07:39:58 .title 07:39:58 Macbeth: All This Bouncing Happens In Just Few Microseconds - Imgur 07:43:01 http://imgur.com/gallery/Ez4S3ds 07:43:03 .title 07:43:03 Macbeth: The best way to make friends... - Imgur 07:45:23 *** skill3r has quit (User quit: skill3r) 07:58:08 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 08:05:03 *** MRdjst0rm (MRdjst0rm@cryto-53EA8BF2.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 08:06:24 *** MRdjst0rm has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 08:34:07 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Client exited) 08:34:35 *** Thetalkinghedge (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:40:55 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Client exited) 08:45:24 *** KorgLakai has quit (Connection reset by peer) 08:45:51 *** KorgLakai (antarctica@cryto-497FB66D.direcpc.com) has joined #crytocc 09:08:32 *** ShadowDemonX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:09:38 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 09:12:50 *** ShadowDemonX is now known as ShadowDemon 09:13:09 Macbeth, did you end up enjoying the Library? 09:16:31 *** Dwaan has quit (User quit: Leaving) 09:20:11 *** Thetalkinghedge (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:22:42 youre beautiful 09:23:13 youre beautiful 09:23:23 youre beautiful 09:23:28 its true 09:23:44 Are you here to spam? 09:23:57 Because /ignore is a very easy cmd that will fix it 09:24:03 i saw your face 09:24:13 in a crowded place 09:24:17 Alright, /ignore it is 09:24:35 ShadowDemon: I havnt done it yet 09:24:42 I'm still figureing out the network 09:24:46 I have a plan 09:24:51 1) Send the pop up 09:24:55 If its not fixed, 2 09:25:05 2) power all the computers down 09:25:18 if tht doesnt make them upgrage the sec, 3 09:25:27 and i dont know what to do 09:25:32 3) fuck one of the computers with del boot.ini 09:25:38 if that doesnt work, 4 09:26:00 4) send a virus to every one of the systems and drop the network 09:26:40 If that doesnt work, then the network is being run by a secret group of robots that know everything and know how to block against every sort of attack possible and nothing can get past them 09:26:41 cause ill never be with u 09:27:02 But if that's not the case, then YOU KNOW U LOOKIN AT A WINNAH, WINNAH, WINNAH! COS IM A WINNAH! YEA IM A WINNAH!! 09:27:43 yeah she caught my eye 09:28:09 as we walked on by 09:28:51 she could see from my face that i was flying high 09:29:14 and i dont think ill see her again 09:29:35 but we shared a moment 09:29:54 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:29:55 that will last till the end 09:46:52 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Ping timeout) 09:49:09 *** ShadowDemon has quit (Ping timeout) 09:57:25 *** Thetalkinghedge (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:58:59 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 10:10:22 *** Macbeth has quit (User quit: Macbeth) 10:15:22 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Ping timeout) 10:15:40 *** Thetalkinghedge (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:19:19 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Ping timeout) 10:19:47 *** Thetalkinghedge (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:26:14 *** R0y4lty has quit (Ping timeout) 10:26:18 *** R0y4lty (m0n3y@cryto-54326F0E.ipredator.se) has joined #crytocc 10:29:12 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 10:30:25 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Ping timeout) 10:31:03 *** Thetalkinghedge (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:47:59 MK_FG: russkieeeeeeeeeeee 10:48:00 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Ping timeout) 11:31:18 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Input/output error) 11:51:58 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 11:59:50 *** Thetalkinghedge (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:18:55 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Client exited) 12:28:59 *** Dwaan (uiyui@cryto-B2176910.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #crytocc 12:29:03 yes 12:29:04 hello 12:39:21 iceTwy is geh 12:41:04 *** HiveResearch (HiveResear@developers.developers.developers) has joined #crytocc 12:45:04 *** captainobvious has quit (Ping timeout) 12:52:28 *** captainobvious (groente@cryto-4DA48F8F.puscii.nl) has joined #crytocc 13:01:29 *** captainobvious has quit (Ping timeout) 13:03:32 *** captainobvious (groente@cryto-4DA48F8F.puscii.nl) has joined #crytocc 13:29:43 *** Thetalkinghedge (Hohohourde@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:45:24 *** stanone has quit (Ping timeout) 13:51:16 I like to take a toothbrush and stick it in my anus 13:52:03 poor toothbrush 13:53:57 poor anus 13:54:18 no cayce dont feel sorry for his anus! 13:54:34 I'll do as I please 13:54:57 * Thetalkinghedge sighs 14:18:07 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Client exited) 14:19:07 cayce you scared him away :( 14:19:19 *** Thetalkinghedge (Youaredead@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:23:12 *** Thetalkinghedge has quit (Client exited) 14:24:55 .lookup isdaisyninja.com 14:24:56 DNS records for isdaisyninja.com: 14:24:57 SOA: a.gtld-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 1382624671 1800 900 604800 86400 14:25:52 .lookup isdaisyaninja.com 14:25:53 DNS records for isdaisyaninja.com: 14:25:54 SOA: a.gtld-servers.net. nstld.verisign-grs.com. 1382624733 1800 900 604800 86400 14:26:31 .whois 14:26:32 TypeError: expected string or buffer (file "/usr/lib/python2.6/re.py", line 137, in match) 14:26:40 .whois isdaisyaninja.com 14:26:40 The domain 04isdaisyaninja.com does not seem to exist. 14:45:59 *** Raymii (Raymii@cryto-3A7B2FD0.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #crytocc 14:46:14 Is joepie91 around? 14:59:20 not now, he should awake soon 15:07:10 *** Raymii has quit (User quit: So long and thanks for all the fish! https://raymii.org) 15:22:31 *** joepie91 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:38:56 .title isjoepie91awakeyet.com 15:38:56 Can't connect to http://isjoepie91awakeyet.com 15:39:17 Oh well 16:05:03 *** MRdjst0rm (MRdjst0rm@cryto-37813653.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 16:06:24 *** MRdjst0rm has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 16:08:01 MK_FG: Yes. 16:08:06 also 16:08:06 .tw joepie91 16:08:06 John Pike, the "Occupy pepperspray cop", awarded $38,056 in trauma compensation - more than his victims http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/24/pepper-spray-occupy-police-officer-gets-25000-compensation-for-trauma-4159582/ (@joepie91) 16:08:53 Yeah, society also ruined poor bastard's life 16:10:55 MK_FG: eh, I have no sympathy for him 16:11:15 that is entirely a consequence of his own decision to assault people 16:13:16 Dunno, I don't really know all the details and definitely didn't see his side of story 16:14:16 Maybe people there killed his dog, threatened to rape his wife and were insufferable assholes, while he atm was in very bad emotional state and just lost his shit and really sorry 'bout it... dunno 16:14:24 MK_FG; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4 16:14:26 have a watch 16:14:36 those are the details 16:14:36 But I have to admit to not looking into it past headlines at all ;) 16:15:03 MK_FG: be sure to watch the video 16:15:05 of the incident 16:16:39 There were 2 cops doing that, apparently 16:17:11 And others weren't too keen on stopping them at all 16:17:26 Like, not going "dude, what the fuck?" 16:17:36 hence acab 16:17:49 Thanx, cap :P 16:17:59 yw :) 16:19:01 captainobvious: no, that's bullshit 16:20:02 MK_FG: I am absolutely not disputing that the other cops there should have been held accountable 16:20:15 that however doesn't change that I feel absolutely no sympathy for someone that assaults people like this 16:20:29 very clearly in a demonstrative manner 16:20:39 as if to say "here, this is what happens if you protest" 16:21:27 Weeell, poor bastard clearly fell in with the bad crowd 16:21:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXhLaneEYw4 16:21:59 If you're surrounded by assholes like that 15h/day, you can get my pity ;) 16:22:22 And whatever goodie person you were before will definitely be gone after years working there 16:22:44 MK_FG: if he can't cope with it, then he shouldn't have taken that job 16:23:11 Assuming there was much of a choice and it isn't "boil the frog" process 16:23:26 MK_FG: police forces have been around for god knows how long 16:23:42 it's quite well documented how they function internally 16:24:04 boil the frog only works if everyone affected is in the same situation at once 16:24:27 Not really, they invented ranks for that 16:24:47 I.e. you join at the bottom rank and get min exposure... 16:25:15 ...then you get exposed and advance to higher rank, with uglier assholes 16:25:34 And if exposure doesn't bend you, you're stuck on low rank or out 16:26:02 So imho looks plausible that one won't be quick to notice the effect 16:27:40 *** dragondaksh (dragondaks@dragondaksh.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:29:44 Also, I think you can't be in constant contact with genuinely bad people (i.e. murderers, rapists and such) and remain a good person 16:30:06 Same probably goes for exposure to conflict and violence 16:34:37 conclusion: centralized police force doesn't work? 16:35:14 Well, we have genuinely bad elements in society right now and they seem to insulate it well enough 16:35:35 Plus, there seem to be distinct lack of other well-tested society models ;) 16:36:28 MK_FG: I don't think I'd classify something that isolates external bad things and causes bad things of its own as "working" 16:36:34 * joepie91 mumbles something about mafia 16:37:30 Yeah, you have that bad stuff leaking, but in a much reduced number, like having e.g. heat leak through any not-total-vacuum insulation 16:37:52 MK_FG: not even sure I'd call it "much reduced number". 16:38:25 There are lot of examples of what happens when centralized mediation crumbles 16:38:37 All the hot points in the world, e.g. Somalia now 16:38:55 Basically, tribal societies, with all tribes at war with all others 16:39:28 You need larger tribe (with more powerful force) to sit others at the table and make peace 16:39:38 That's one thing that works, apparently 16:39:46 im sorry, but thats facist 16:40:17 Worked throught the history - all countries now were at some point united that way 16:40:36 Fascist or not, dunno what to call it 16:44:13 http://typewith.me/crytocc-notices why this link is not working? 16:44:38 MK_FG: leaving the point about tribes/somalia undiscussed (because quite honestly, I don't really have time for that right now), right now we're stuck with a giant 'tribe' at the top, with zero chance at proper protest because every single protest is killed off by police/riot forces - at least when there's chaos, everyone KNOWS that shit is wrong 16:44:52 I'm really not sure I'd consider this any better than the scenario you are sketching 16:45:06 dragondaksh: probably because typewith.me is dead and the site is terribly outdated :P 16:45:18 *** Power2All (DrPopo@cryto-A402221.upc-g.chello.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:45:43 okay 16:45:44 okay 16:45:46 okay 16:47:06 joepie91, I do consider it better, if you want to live in Somalia or Russian suburbia (where law basically doesn't have power) - be my guest :P 16:48:00 *** crytoweb912 (crytoweb91@3DA56DC8.4D1D5477.1D5174DE.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:48:53 *** crytoweb912 is now known as Riz 16:58:10 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:58:41 *** Riz has quit (Ping timeout) 17:05:42 joepie91: i read your warning and i am disappointed, please find a sentence where i am not nice 17:06:31 i still polite even agressed and insulted by DrWhat 17:06:47 Oh hai. 17:07:07 I anger you :( 17:07:21 if there are other reasons to be not welcomed here, better avoid hypocrisy and tell me what 17:07:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpqNvskS_kM 17:07:30 ;) 17:07:30 Hello Power2All :) 17:07:33 Hey mama 17:07:36 ERB ftw 17:08:01 DrWhat: anger is not a reason to use words like: fed, fu and bitch 17:09:26 *** GHOSTnew has quit (User quit: Quitte) 17:09:58 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:10:17 If someone hates you, then give him a reason ...... 17:10:34 me? 17:10:59 If someone hates you without any reason, then give him a reason ........ 17:12:11 hate from others is their problem, not mine, i don't have personal feelings towards any one, only opinions and positions 17:12:34 i can't defend my person, i only can explain my positions 17:13:29 We can always delete people. 17:13:38 Just the tools are, not accepted xD 17:13:44 *** dpk (dpk@dpk.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:14:13 haha right! i usually delete them from my mind; i have many tools for it XD 17:14:27 Im talking about, the weapons that wipe out your life 17:14:28 Litterally xD 17:14:51 ran across this by accident: http://habariproject.org/en/ 17:14:52 owwwwww 17:14:55 haha 17:14:56 quite interesting 17:15:04 joepie91: i read your warning and i am disappointed, please find a sentence where i am not nice 17:15:11 I was refering to your constant bringing up of anon 17:15:17 and not taking me seriously when I tell you that it is against the rules 17:15:25 you're constantly pushing it by bringing it up anyway 17:15:35 I code my own PHP framework.. 17:15:40 With caching. 17:15:43 And everything. 17:16:06 Although,right now Im using smarty, since its easy in use for small projects. 17:16:24 Its not like Im gonna code a new fagbook. 17:16:24 joepie91: honestly, i often forget this rule, then when you talk i remember and dk how to react :s 17:16:35 mama: my logs say otherwise 17:16:37 *** dpk has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:16:46 moment 17:17:03 Who cares about Anon.. It's now all about Black Piet. 17:17:07 \xD 17:17:09 ok, show me 17:17:19 mama: http://wire.cryto.net/logs/2013-10-21#T15-56-41 17:17:33 in particular this bit: 17:17:34 15:59:14 ;) 17:17:41 that doesn't exactly say "oh sorry I forgot" 17:17:58 and honestly, after several months (!) of these rules existing, you should be remembering these rules 17:18:16 I've reminded you of it more times than I have fingers to count with 17:18:33 yep, but it was the case, i forgot and then reacted like "it is done now, i can't delete it" 17:19:04 Whats not allowed ? Talking about anonymous ? 17:19:13 mama: I still don't get the idea that you're taking it seriously. 17:19:17 joepie91: believe it or not, sometimes i am so focused on something that i don't even thing to rules 17:19:18 Power2All: correct, see channel topic 17:19:20 Ah ok. 17:19:28 I dont even care about them anymore.. 17:19:29 mama: then you should really change that 17:19:29 Only kids.. 17:19:42 joepie91: ok 17:19:43 because I can't let an entire channel go down the drain because you don't pay mind to the rules 17:20:00 if necessary, change to a client where the channel topic is always visible 17:20:04 So whats up with you joepie91 ;) 17:20:07 it's there for a reason 17:20:18 Still eating a lot of frikandelen? 17:20:21 xD 17:20:25 Power2All: not really, actually 17:20:29 Oh damnnnnn 17:20:30 still haven't moved frying pan here 17:20:32 it's still in storage 17:20:40 I see I see. 17:20:43 it is visible, the problem is when i see some one with whom i would talk; from now i will pm 17:20:46 anyway, mostly been doing code stuff latley 17:20:49 Yah same. 17:20:52 mama: that is a better solution 17:20:53 thank you 17:20:57 Working out a download manager for anime ;) 17:21:01 Power2All: http://github.com/joepie91 17:21:05 Power2All: also, did you see the isohunt thing? 17:21:09 PHP, close to FilePlanet's downloader 17:21:12 Yah, sucks. 17:21:13 thanks for your understanding 17:21:14 (download manager for what source?) 17:21:15 Screw the US 17:21:16 xD 17:21:21 Erm 17:21:22 Power2All: I mean the archiving effort primarily 17:21:22 :p 17:21:25 Basically, downloading anime 17:21:28 Via a queue basis 17:21:29 which anime? 17:21:32 well yes, but from where 17:21:33 PHp limits the upload speed 17:21:40 So you can give every downloader enough bandwidth space. 17:21:48 With a queue manager, and subscription option. 17:21:54 API to WordPress 17:21:56 and others. 17:21:59 also http://torrentfreak.com/archiveteam-works-hard-to-avert-isohunt-data-massacre-131020/ 17:21:59 and http://torrentfreak.com/isohunt-shuts-down-early-to-block-backup-plan-131021/ 17:22:04 Checks if a user has a subscription or not. 17:22:04 Power2All: from your own servers, or? 17:22:07 Yep 17:22:09 1gbit servers. 17:22:19 Basically, can handle 100 users at ones, with 1MB per second. 17:22:33 And more people will be queued up via a flatbase DB. 17:22:42 Which holds all the download requests. 17:22:46 Servers ofcourse offshore ;) 17:23:01 ah 17:23:11 dragondaksh: Hentai and non hentai 17:23:15 SubDESU translates both xD 17:23:16 Do anime gets people in copyright troubles? I thought it was a hollywood thing 17:23:22 Depends 17:23:27 If US bought license off Japan. 17:23:33 Then they try to take down the fansubbers. 17:23:42 Japanese companies normally dont give a shit. 17:23:48 Oh, right, yeah, I heard a bit about that 17:23:51 Although, 1 anti-piracy company in Japan makes trouble. 17:23:57 But mostly it's a ignore-situation. 17:24:08 My torrent tracker had ones a DMCA from Funimation. 17:24:13 I still have it in my email xD 17:24:33 As a Token of Recognition :P 17:24:36 .title http://www.coindesk.com/swedish-bank-freezes-customers-account-sells-5-btc/ 17:24:37 joepie91: Swedish bank freezes customer's account after she sells 5 BTC 17:24:37 Yep 17:24:49 *** GHOSTnew has quit (User quit: Quitte) 17:24:51 Some Dutch guys hacked bank accounts. 17:24:56 And bought bitcoins with em 17:24:57 xD 17:25:07 Some million of damages so I heared. 17:25:12 wat 17:25:16 I haven't heard of that 17:25:16 Didnt you hear ? 17:25:19 HAHAHA 17:25:19 fail xD 17:25:22 (it's also not at all relevant to what I linked) 17:25:27 http://tweakers.net/nieuws/92170/politie-pakt-4-mannen-op-wegens-plunderen-bankrekeningen-via-malware.html 17:25:47 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:25:47 *** Dwaan has quit (Ping timeout) 17:25:59 Weird that you didn't hear xD 17:26:17 eh 17:26:26 that article doesn't say "bought bitcoins with them" anywhere 17:26:32 Check update 17:26:32 it says the money was sent to offshore bank accounts 17:26:37 "Update, 18:01: Informatie over mogelijke Bitcoin-exchange is toegevoegd." 17:26:44 yes, they *managed* a Bitcoin exchange 17:26:51 didn't say it had anything to do with the theft from bank accs 17:26:53 Oh, meh, I read it rly quick. 17:26:57 And heared it on TV tbh. 17:27:12 Probably didnt hear it correct on TV 17:27:22 Heh, "hackers" and "bitcoin" in one headline 17:27:26 That's a gem 17:27:30 (for tv, that is) 17:27:32 meh its more using malware. 17:28:02 But the bank security are getting outdated more and more. 17:28:08 Power2All: doesn't seem there was a relationship between the exchange and the theft -at all-... 17:28:19 You dont know joepie91 17:28:25 Maybe it did. 17:28:29 They still investigating. 17:28:32 keyword: seem 17:28:41 maybe 17:28:44 and innocent until proven otherwise etc. etc. 17:28:47 Then highlight that 17:28:48 xD 17:28:56 so unless shown otherwise, I am assuming no relationship 17:28:56 Yah, unlike US 17:28:59 C'mon, news sound cooler with btc in them 17:29:03 gulty unless proven innocent. 17:29:30 *** dpk (dpk@dpk.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:29:34 HIIIII 17:29:38 now with moar dpk 17:29:43 yo joepie91 17:29:54 ohai dpk 17:29:57 Anyway, im going afk, need to go practice with my orchestra 17:29:59 Ciao :) 17:30:04 Power2All: have fun 17:30:06 thx 17:30:07 band geek 17:30:26 see u power2all 17:31:27 *** GHOSTnew has quit (User quit: Quitte) 17:32:10 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:38:35 MK_FG: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=290 17:40:36 *** joepie92 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:41:34 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:45:09 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BAE76FBA.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 17:48:14 Finally they'll be able to embed full bible into blockchain :P 17:48:46 * joepie92 sighs at eligius 17:49:16 oh well 17:49:32 perhaps when this goes through, the rest of the world can prune Eligius' ramblings from the blockchain 17:50:07 Heh, well, older embeddings were keys, so no such luck 17:50:26 MK_FG: I mean the newer ones 17:50:50 Does it also mean that bitmessage is now obsolete? 17:51:03 One msg in btc can cost as low as 1 satoshi 17:51:14 ...which seem cheap for now 17:51:48 Heh, though 80 char (ascii) limit is even more fun than twitter's 17:58:00 I wonder if there are already tools to sign packages into blockchain 17:58:48 Like, say on site "project's key is X" and embed "project-1.2.3.tar.gz " into blockchain 17:59:17 If anyone tries to forge project-1.2.3.tar.gz, should be obvious from blockchain and can be stated on project site 17:59:57 (and detectable by very presence of two different hashes in blockchain, so user can be warned and do extra checks for key) 18:05:48 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 18:15:47 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 18:41:27 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 18:50:40 *** mama (me@cryto-D181503A.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 19:16:30 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 19:44:36 *** dragondaksh has quit (User quit: time here is 1:15 AM... GN) 20:06:52 impressive code fuckup 20:06:53 http://owely.com/8TamY2 20:07:00 notice the stray else? I didn't :| 20:07:03 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 20:07:13 and I was wondering why my changes weren't applied.... 20:19:38 joepie92, do you ever use unit tests? 20:20:38 lysobit: no 20:20:59 and before anyone gets the idea of trying to convince me to do so, don't bother 20:21:23 Just wondering if I should bother 20:21:31 What if it's an open source project? 20:21:42 Or a collaborative project? 20:22:10 lysobit; I personally choose to do real world testing rather than unit testing; that is, trying to actively use the application myself and trying to use it in strange ways, and having others give feedback 20:22:11 I particularly say this after reading https://github.com/cryptocat/cryptocat/issues/507 20:22:18 "First off, CryptoCat's engineering practices look bad to me. It seems that CryptoCat team just throws together things until it works then move on. They have, let me count, exactly 4 tests for the whole program." 20:22:18 unit tests miss any non-atomic problem 20:22:28 lysobit: cryptography is a very different topic 20:22:33 whatever I say now does not apply to cryptography 20:22:50 anyway, as I said, unit tests miss non-atomic issues 20:23:06 as an extra problem, they're incredibly boring to write, which is a very good way to kill off motivation 20:23:14 and they take a lot of extra time 20:23:31 (to write) 20:23:39 they can also catch some problems 20:24:14 Do you think unit tests would be essential for the keypair project I'm working on, given that all cryptographic implementations are done by another library? 20:24:36 lysobit: that depends 20:24:52 on 20:24:54 if you have separate identity management, then you will want to make sure that you have automated tests, verifying that identities are indeed kept separate 20:24:55 for example 20:25:25 real world testing instead of unit testing works only for things where you can say, afterwards, "oh sorry, let me fix that and you can try again" 20:25:35 which is the majority of things, but not things like crypto or anonymity 20:25:45 where one mistake is fatal 20:26:35 From my understanding though, unit tests are designed to test individual methods 20:26:45 It's not as if there's a "method" for keeping identities seperate 20:26:58 Rather than it is a design feature of the application 20:27:16 no, but you can make certain assertions to ensure that they are kept separate 20:27:23 depending on the design of your application 20:27:37 that does however touch on the other problem with unit testing 20:27:45 you still can't test the things you didn't think of 20:28:12 unit testing isn't magical fairy dust 20:29:57 insightful, i've always considered unit tests as one method for testing, and there should be several (depending on your app design and stack) 20:30:38 yet i see unit test predominant in technology stacks where the programming language is dynamic 20:30:46 Just debating with myself if it's something that I should actually worry about 20:30:47 arpunk: ideally, yes, you should have multiple testing methods 20:31:00 and if it's something with some form of end user UI, you absolutely *must* have real world testing 20:31:07 to give an example 20:31:08 actually seems that Cryptocat only started unit testing 4 months ago 20:31:13 I'm pretty sure Twitter has unit tests 20:31:23 yet it's still really buggy 20:31:30 not because things inherently don't -work- 20:31:38 but because they don't work as you expect 20:31:42 or how they work suddenly changes 20:31:53 those are things a unit test won't catch 20:31:59 Unit tests are I think essential for large teams 20:32:04 you mean some sort of "requirement testing"? like BDD? 20:32:07 or large projects 20:32:56 arpunk; I really suck at acronyms/terminology/etc., but what I mean is "run the application and try to break it and do stupid shit, and then give it to one or more end users and let them do the same" 20:33:12 human chaos monkey, really 20:33:27 Facebook for example, actually does this 20:33:46 iirc they have a grouping mechanism where certain groups of users get served a different version of the site entirely 20:33:52 with one or more changed features 20:34:00 and their behaviour is analyzed 20:34:05 to find points of confusion or bugs 20:34:29 these are basically random users 20:35:16 ah, i get you now, i've used to deal with some testing like that: you were supposed to describe the real world scenario, and that description gets parsed with some sort of DSL to automate stuff up, like cucumber for ruby: http://cukes.info/ 20:35:28 is that close to what you meant? 20:35:58 that seems like a more automated version of things 20:36:26 I'm primarily a webdev, and in the webdev world the more common approach is to literally just ship development versions to a subset of your users quietly 20:36:34 using click/movement/interaction tracking scripts to record interaction 20:37:15 basically, you have actual users test-dummying it 20:37:23 yea, that works best imo 20:37:37 is a real battle test 20:37:49 it's basically the large-scale version of peering over a users shoulder and watching them use something :) 20:37:50 indeed 20:37:59 arpunk: I presume you're familiar with the concept of a chaos monkey also? 20:38:20 http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/04/working-with-the-chaos-monkey.html 20:38:31 simple script, randomly kills or tries to break shit 20:38:42 to see how well your stuff copes with it 20:39:15 no, have not seen the concept, but it seems like a good read 20:42:40 *** mama has quit (User quit: ciao ciao) 20:43:18 yes, multiple testing layers 20:58:24 *** Raymii (Raymii@cryto-3A7B2FD0.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #crytocc 20:58:41 *** Raymii has quit (User quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 21:00:21 *** Raymii (Raymii@cryto-3A7B2FD0.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #crytocc 21:03:06 *** R0y4lty has quit (Ping timeout) 21:03:30 *** R0y4lty (m0n3y@cryto-5A768E90.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 21:07:34 Oh great. 21:07:42 Just had a nice chat with the cops. 21:07:57 *** R0y4lty has quit (User quit: ) 21:26:54 *** KorgLakai has quit (Client exited) 21:28:40 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:28:56 Zoned got arrested 21:31:13 *** KorgLakai (antarctica@cryto-497FB66D.direcpc.com) has joined #crytocc 21:32:59 *** KorgLaka_ (antarctica@cryto-497FB66D.direcpc.com) has joined #crytocc 21:33:01 *** KorgLakai has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:41:57 * Macbeth is away: 21:48:38 *** KorgLaka_ has quit (Client exited) 21:49:03 *** KorgLakai (antarctica@cryto-497FB66D.direcpc.com) has joined #crytocc 21:50:53 *** KorgLakai has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:55:30 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 22:04:04 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:04:55 *** KorgLakai (antarctica@cryto-497FB66D.direcpc.com) has joined #crytocc 22:06:27 *** KorgLaka_ (antarctica@cryto-497FB66D.direcpc.com) has joined #crytocc 22:06:28 *** KorgLakai has quit (Connection reset by peer) 22:17:50 *** R0y4lty (m0n3y@R0y4lty.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:17:56 and I'm back. 22:26:05 aww 22:26:11 vld, it sucks. 22:28:38 *** crytoweb924 (crytoweb92@cryto-4FDD6963.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #crytocc 22:30:18 *** crytoweb924 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 22:36:29 *** tommykaine (tommykaine@cryto-9866D0DD.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #crytocc 22:36:36 hey guys 22:42:51 looooooool 22:43:03 I'll just leave this here 22:43:10 https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat 22:43:12 .title 22:43:13 iceTwy: Wat — Destroy All Software Talks 22:44:54 *** Macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 22:44:58 lol 22:46:03 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:46:08 Zoned 22:49:30 *** x (foobar@91513BE6.1FF3EB83.C789C8B2.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:54:51 iceTwy: watch his other talk 23:03:19 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 23:04:29 *** x (foobar@47DC6ED3.BD906BBE.7A718692.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:04:45 x 23:04:49 xmpp, quickly 23:05:36 y 23:06:15 its important 23:06:23 * Macbeth is away: 23:07:33 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 23:11:55 kk 23:15:48 *** R0y4lty has quit (Client exited) 23:16:07 *** R0y4lty (m0n3y@cryto-6B761DD5.com) has joined #crytocc 23:45:16 *** cipolla209 (cipolla209@cryto-5A768E90.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 23:45:50 *** cipolla209 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 23:46:34 *** KorgLaka_ has quit (Client exited) 23:49:42 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Input/output error)