00:02:11 *** ShadowDemonXX (ShadowDemo@D22FC353.ECD3B134.2C106139.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:04:09 *** ShadowDemonX has quit (Ping timeout) 00:07:29 *** joepie91 (joepie91@CBC0E551.AF4B16D6.6AAD497F.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:07:40 joepie91 00:08:12 WhaT ThE FuCk HaS bEeN GoInG oN WiTh ThE NeTwOrK 00:09:10 *** joepie92 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:09:16 It'S BeEn GoInG FiNe F0H m3 00:09:26 It is fine 00:09:33 wat? 00:09:33 and stop typing in weirdcase 00:09:37 also stupid internet 00:09:59 That's leet talk obviously 00:10:15 [11:32:02pm] [DrWhat] I havnt been able to connect in the last 2 days 00:10:35 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 00:10:38 ^ 00:10:41 SGZDFFXG 00:10:41 VYT 00:10:41 X 00:10:41 DFXJB 00:10:41 GC 00:10:41 F M 00:10:55 llllllll? 00:10:57 The valley of death we are free, your father's your prison you see.. 00:11:03 wot 00:11:20 Problem? 00:12:01 *** joepie93 (joepie91@E0EF0B4E.8949E6E0.92880880.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:12:04 93! 00:12:15 DrWhat: two of the three leafs have been down for maintenance for a bit 00:12:16 most likely you were just unlucky in what you tried to connect to 00:12:24 *** joepie92 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:12:52 can we hear 94 00:15:18 *** joepie93 has quit (Ping timeout) 00:16:06 *** joepie93 (joepie91@CBC0E551.AF4B16D6.6AAD497F.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:16:16 joepie93, 00:16:23 hosthatch turned out to be pretty legit 00:16:56 Welcome joepie93, joepie91 isnt her atm so i would like to remind you this channel is publicly logged and please read topic for rules 00:20:14 lol DrWhat 00:20:29 nox: not something you can judge in a day :) 00:24:15 joepie93, that's what you think 00:24:30 they questioned me for a few hours today before activating anything 00:24:44 wat 00:24:44 and have been extremely professional over the ticket center 00:24:51 yeah 00:24:54 again, it's not something you can judge in a day 00:24:55 every purchase has to be justified 00:24:58 wat 00:25:01 oh 00:25:04 to avoid booters or what 00:25:06 yeah 00:25:08 right 00:25:14 and then they did all this verification shit 00:25:18 regardless, them being professional now tells you nothing about how they'll be in the long term 00:25:20 all im saying, is it was a good first impression :P 00:25:23 sure 00:25:28 well nobody knows how they will be in the long term 00:25:30 you're just a cynic :P 00:25:42 nox: given the low end hosting environment, I have reason to be 00:25:48 heh 00:25:59 meybe 00:31:22 .title http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/28/us-usa-crime-hacking-idUSBRE99R0LP20131028 00:31:22 joepie93: British man charged with hacking U.S. military networks | Reuters 00:44:06 wasnt me 00:44:12 * DrWhat whistles 00:53:25 *** joepie93 is now known as joepie91 00:53:25 . 00:53:26 joepie91: 28 Oct 20:19Z tell joepie91 to read https://github.com/stpeter/manifesto/blob/master/manifesto.txt 00:53:38 *** Asad has quit (Ping timeout) 00:55:30 *** SpaghettiCode changed the topic to: "Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz" 00:55:30 *** SpaghettiCode (pasta@code.bonanza) has joined #crytocc 00:57:00 *** Asad (Asad@Asad.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:57:08 botpie91, tell Macbeth that not everybody here is trying to hide their identity... and it can be perceived as unpleasant when you approach people like you did with Zekka (re: their state) 00:57:08 joepie91: I'll pass that on when Macbeth is around. 00:57:24 * joepie91 spots an Asad 01:41:41 *** brenden (brenden@1329C628.553D2847.8CF04EE7.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:41:51 joepie91: had a look at what I linked you to? ;) 01:42:30 joepie91: that manifesto is signed by Peter Saint-Andre, the main dev of Prosody, etc 01:43:01 iceTwy: haven't had time yet 01:43:08 as you may have gathered, nsh was arrested 01:43:12 yeah 01:43:18 never really talked to him though. 01:43:25 just spotted him a few times on #swhack 01:43:31 can't say I knew him much! 01:44:50 joepie91: basically, the manifesto is about forcing SSL/TLS encryption on XMPP 01:45:06 signed by every major party involved in XMPP 01:45:41 that's quite good 01:45:53 including google.... 01:46:09 DrWhat: how's Google involved in XMPP? 01:46:47 Dont they use it for gmail <-> gmail account talk 01:47:03 DrWhat: Google Talk is deprecated 01:47:10 ^ 01:47:11 it's switching to hangouts now 01:47:13 Talk has 01:47:13 which doesn't use xmpp 01:47:16 yeah 01:47:17 that 01:47:46 The Android app for Google Hangouts is named "Google Hangouts (replaces Talk)" 01:48:16 joepie91: what's your current sleep schedule? 01:48:37 sleep around 5, wake up around midnight 01:49:30 it seems a bit odd 01:49:46 alright 01:50:00 might go to zZz 01:51:16 iceTwy; aw 01:51:25 xmpp btw 02:01:20 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 02:05:58 oh god 02:06:05 all those expired PGP keys. 02:16:39 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:16:52 *** Anon0x31337x (Anon0x3133@cryto-4B5F9A9B.sub-70-192-70.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 02:17:35 *** Anon0x31337x has quit (User quit: Leaving) 02:20:57 *** crytoweb466 (crytoweb46@cryto-7C7037FB.dhcp.crsn.ca.charter.com) has joined #crytocc 02:24:05 *** crytoweb466 has parted #crytocc () 02:28:12 iceTwy: ? 02:28:31 iceTwy:) you're welcome :) 02:28:36 morning joepie91 !~ 02:28:47 morning. 02:28:51 cayce: you heard the news I assume? 02:29:04 I read the backlog, I've never heard of nsh though 02:29:11 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/british-activist-lauri-love-charged-with-hacking-us-army-database-8909484.html 02:29:15 gives a better idea 02:29:27 * cayce reads 02:31:35 haha seriously 02:32:03 they don't even introduce the idea that he was somehow mishandling the information (assuming it was him in the first place) 02:32:21 he's probably got better data security practices than the govt agencies 02:32:22 :| 02:32:36 ruining more young lives for nothing 02:32:37 :| 02:54:44 guess what repercussions those will see, that were responsible for the vulnerability existing in the first place 02:57:57 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:06:10 I can only hope they'd fix it, but I actually doubt it 03:12:10 ^ 03:12:20 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Disconnecting from server) 03:13:37 *** ebola has quit (User quit: Leaving) 03:13:56 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 03:25:51 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:33:49 hey Ari 03:33:58 hey joepie91 03:34:14 Ari: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/british-activist-lauri-love-charged-with-hacking-us-army-database-8909484.html :( 03:45:06 *** AntiByte has quit (User quit: Leaving) 03:45:12 *** AntiByte (UiD0@cryto-5DF0BFF3.anthony-simonet.fr) has joined #crytocc 03:47:47 *** AntiByte has quit (User quit: Leaving) 03:47:54 *** AntiByte (UiD0@cryto-5DF0BFF3.anthony-simonet.fr) has joined #crytocc 03:51:41 oh 03:51:44 that's laurelai? 03:51:45 shit 03:51:46 welp 03:53:25 :< 03:54:34 Ari: no 03:54:35 it's not 03:54:36 it's nsh 03:54:41 o 03:54:45 the name fucked with me 03:54:52 Laurelai is somethingsomething Bailey, no? 03:55:19 Laurelai Bailey 03:55:20 lol 03:55:28 huh? 03:55:35 Laurelai was actually their first name? 03:55:38 that's xer name 03:55:39 i think 03:55:42 ah 04:05:03 *** fanat1ck (fanat1ck@cryto-8BCC924E.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 04:06:25 *** fanat1ck has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 04:12:29 *** Anon0x31337x (Anon0x3133@cryto-5BD8E6B3.sub-70-192-66.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 04:15:12 *** Anon0x31337x has quit (User quit: Leaving) 04:19:22 *** AntiByte has quit (Input/output error) 04:19:38 *** AntiByte (UiD0@cryto-5A84CAEB.solidonetworks.com) has joined #crytocc 04:19:45 *** Anon0x31337x (Anon0x3133@cryto-5BD8E6B3.sub-70-192-66.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 04:27:01 *** dpk has quit (User quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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But it won't happen again and I'll try to sound less obnixous. 11:28:51 macbeth: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around. 11:29:26 hai 11:29:26 joepie91: 11:28Z tell joepie91 that I'm sorry if it came out wrong, I won't do it again and that I was just trying to him/her because security isn't that much of a joke. But it won't happen again and I'll try to sound less obnixous. 11:29:38 macbeth: I know that security isn't a joke, but this isn't an anon network :) 11:29:50 Ok, sorry then 11:29:53 ** Obnoxious 11:29:58 it's not assumed that someone here has a need (or even desire) to hide their identity 11:30:14 on anonops a remark like you made would make sense 11:30:15 but not here 11:30:25 alrighty 11:30:41 Also, Not to hide ID, but to secure from other people. I don't want ppl to be open to ddos or hacks or anything like that. 11:30:47 joepie91: 10€? that's extremely expensive 11:31:02 what do you mean by french press though 11:31:05 a newspaper? 11:31:07 wat 11:31:22 http://javamoose.com/files/howtofrenchpress.jpg 11:31:29 sec 11:31:31 urm 11:31:37 OH 11:31:39 that 11:31:39 lol 11:31:49 nah, then, it's pretty cheap 11:32:02 but instead of buying a french press.. 11:32:05 donate to Snowden ;p 11:32:15 http://freesnowden.is/ 11:33:10 the BTC address => 1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa 11:34:46 ... 11:35:00 I suspect that my 10 euro is better spent on increasing my productivity 11:35:00 :P 11:36:03 no 11:36:05 ^^ 11:36:38 I think I got mine about 2y ago for 8€ equivalent in RUB 11:37:00 There were definitely more costly ones, up to $50, I think 11:37:26 sounds like a good deal then 11:37:37 should probably pick one up, been looking for one for a while 11:37:51 I thought they should be cheaper in "discount store" :P 11:38:02 But inflation, eu and such... 11:38:29 It's not that great for tea 11:40:15 MK_FG: do realize that I'm in NL 11:40:22 we have pretty ridiculous taxes 11:40:25 not the worst 11:40:28 but pretty ridiculous nevertheless 11:41:21 Yeah, that's what I meant by "eu" there 11:41:41 even for EU standards it's pretty bad afaik 11:41:42 :P 11:41:49 only nordic countries are worse I think 11:41:50 tax-wise 11:42:11 yeah, but they have the highest standard of living, too 11:42:13 so wel 11:42:13 Heh, that's what you get for living in "socialist europe"! 11:42:15 l 11:42:23 Nordic are even more socialist :P 11:42:27 lol, socialist Europe 11:42:32 yeah, but their system's also the best 11:42:34 by far 11:42:40 Because you can freeze to death there if not paid something 11:42:47 yeah, but they have the highest standard of living, too 11:42:48 this 11:42:49 SO MUCH THIS 11:42:53 haha yeah 11:42:58 at least THEIR ridiculous taxes actually pay for something USEFUL 11:43:03 * joepie91 facepalms at NL 12:05:03 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-904A6F66.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 12:06:24 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 12:17:02 *** oskar (oskar@F06318DC.BE9274D2.77B09327.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:18:12 botpie91, tell alina welcome! 12:18:12 vld: I'll pass that on when alina is around. 12:21:40 *** oskar has quit (User quit: ) 12:49:12 *** connor has quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:12 *** tintin has quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:12 *** MK_FG has quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:12 *** stanone has quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:12 *** cayce has quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:12 *** fr0z3n has quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:12 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:12 *** GHOSTnew has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 12:49:12 *** captainobvious has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 12:49:12 *** ElectRo` has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 12:49:12 *** truetravesty has quit (nexus.cryto.net box.cryto.net) 12:49:13 *** captainobvious (groente@cryto-4DA48F8F.puscii.nl) has joined #crytocc 12:49:16 *** MKFG (MK_FG@D8F8B70C.2AA32F40.3B131C16.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:49:17 *** MKFG is now known as MK_FG 12:49:32 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:49:34 *** truetravesty (truetraves@7ABB88F7.2C566207.79E6D716.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:50:42 *** stanone (Adrian@cryto-812F49C0.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 12:50:42 *** connor (c@BA2D26D0.339A30FF.B40044C0.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:50:58 *** fr0z3n (fr0z3n@cryto-C20F79FB.rutgers.edu) has joined #crytocc 12:51:14 *** ElectRo` (x@cryto-105D9F5B.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 12:54:38 *** tintin (tintin@54DCF7FA.BC88B0C2.A27E456C.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:00:08 *** cayce (cayce@cayce.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:00:56 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Disconnecting from server) 13:04:42 joepie91:) n.n can you show it to me? it will depend on if the container is glass and how cheap the plunger/mesh are 13:05:10 cayce: too late, already got it 13:05:11 but yes, glass 13:05:22 kk how;s the plunger 13:05:39 cheap, but put together well - I'm unsure what characteristics you're looking for 13:06:16 well the mesh will be backed by something, is it metal? and is the pole of the plunger metal 13:06:44 pole is metal, witha 13:06:47 with a nut at the end* 13:06:51 ye 13:06:51 the mesh end 13:06:53 the backing is plastic 13:07:00 not too bad 13:07:04 but not flimsy plastic 13:07:11 feels very very solid 13:07:17 test it under heat, but yeah 13:07:19 probably very decent 13:07:32 :) 13:07:47 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAFETIERE-Termisil-1-litre-ALL-GLASS-/251246656556?category=98851&cmd=ViewItem&ih=015&nma=true&si=4duI%252B6cHqO4rZWRUDK8YojelS5U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 13:07:49 that one 13:08:13 cute 13:08:27 yeah it should do :) 13:08:38 be careful of the handle, will probably be hot :) 13:08:55 lol 13:08:57 okk 13:09:00 ok * 13:09:19 (the handles of fancy ones are heat-separated from the glass body, yours is not) 13:09:45 summary seems accurate then 13:09:52 cheap, but put together well 13:11:00 bah, stickers 13:11:01 I hate stickers 13:11:52 WARNING: 13:12:00 1. The glassware is dishwasher-safe. 13:12:04 (is that a warning?) 13:12:16 2. Do not use in microwave or on an electric cooker. 13:12:29 (I wasn't planning to make coffee in a microwave, no) 13:12:43 3. Do not allow children to use this coffee maker. 13:12:45 (aww, why not?) 13:12:54 4. Hot liquid is a hazard. 13:12:59 (yes, and water is wet - and so is coffee) 13:35:13 cc cayce 13:35:39 such troll 13:36:02 +1 13:36:10 plus, that french press is horrible 13:36:17 mhmmmmmmmmmm 13:36:23 joepie91:) what 13:36:34 * cayce eats 13:36:42 * macbeth begs 13:36:50 * cayce throws an egg to macbeth 13:37:06 * cayce has 3 of em >_> 13:37:08 * macbeth grabs the egg and throws it at cayce's house 13:37:15 <_< 13:37:23 * cayce catches in mouth and eats 13:37:28 just found the most fantastic VPN service in the world 13:37:36 the one you run yourself? 13:37:50 im talking about IPredator 13:38:14 No tracking, they won't give anything to the police no matter what, and if they have to, they only give what infos you provide 13:38:26 it's based in friggin Sweden! 13:38:34 all VPNs log IP addresses 13:38:36 remember that :p 13:38:40 agh man, there's so much self promotion in G+ communities 13:38:54 I'm so glad I don't run one or I'd ban half the people 13:39:05 cayce: I meant the above manual excerpt 13:39:06 :P 13:39:10 *** DrWhat has quit (Input/output error) 13:39:13 i heard about this cos they have a tor exit node 13:39:17 * joepie91 sighs 13:39:18 macbeth 13:39:22 .. 13:39:24 joepie91 13:39:25 *** DrWhat (Snake@DrWhat.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:39:25 .. 13:39:26 you off'd it? 13:39:28 what in the 13:39:29 ... 13:39:30 I really shouldn't even have to tell you anymore 13:39:31 *** Zekka (zekka@cryto-B5DB5A6B.arizona.edu) has joined #crytocc 13:39:35 * cayce facedesks 13:39:42 ? 13:39:43 yeah, wrong place 13:39:44 sorry 13:39:47 no 13:39:50 that is not even what I meant 13:39:52 I meant the VPN thing 13:39:52 Im come back here and this happens 13:39:55 NP: [John Mellencamp - Emotional Love] [Mr. Happy Go Lucky] [1031kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 13:39:57 I've told you a million times 13:40:02 VPNS ARE BASED ON PROMISES 13:40:04 a _million_ times! 13:40:08 they aren't "fantastic" 13:40:13 you have no way to determine that 13:40:14 (probably three million by now, vld ) 13:40:14 VPN are amazing 13:40:16 sweden says absolutely squat 13:40:18 And soo secure 13:40:19 and basically 13:40:23 cayce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Nj65PddFs 13:40:24 they're not any different from any other VPN service 13:40:28 you can hack the nsa and theywont know it was you 13:40:32 DrWhat, shut up 13:40:36 What# 13:40:38 xD 13:40:40 vld:) a new stan video? :D 13:40:49 eh, if by new you mean february 13:40:50 yes 13:40:50 Don't feel bad about their website being down. They have a back up ;) 13:40:59 vld:) I don't track, so heh 13:41:02 macbeth: seriously... VPNs are fucking terrible for anonymity 13:41:03 macbeth: sweden logs all external data without a warrant 13:41:07 and that 13:41:14 Anyone heard about the new dos 0day for apache? 13:41:15 sweden IS NOT a 'freedom haven' 13:41:16 sweden is horrible for anonymity 13:41:16 lol 13:41:20 DrWhat, cahnnel topic 13:41:21 channel * 13:41:27 so you would trust tor more? 13:41:27 infosec 13:41:36 not sweden 13:41:37 My server got hit by it yesturdat 13:41:40 even though tor is one group controling the whole thing? 13:41:40 crashed 13:41:51 macbeth: what? 13:41:52 Nothing in logs 13:41:58 there's lots of reasons to not trust tor, that isn't one of them 13:42:01 * joepie91 sighs 13:42:15 tor is slow 13:42:16 if you want anonymity unplug your power cable 13:42:18 easy :) 13:42:22 run by people you dont know 13:42:22 xD 13:42:27 no, macbeth, there is not "one group controlling the whole thing" with tor 13:42:28 mhmm 13:42:33 i know 13:42:35 that is kind of the point 13:42:38 that that isn't the case 13:42:47 that, that, that 13:42:48 DrWhat: yes, which is exactly the design 13:42:56 I mostly trust the tor project people to do good anyway, the exit node operators are my attack vector 13:43:16 because they ALL do shit 13:43:18 cayce: random fact, stan grew up 1 block away from me 13:43:22 but the major flaw is 13:43:24 cayce: she's really ugly in person lol 13:43:24 vld:) lulz! 13:43:32 exit <-> traffic log 13:43:34 vld:) unsurprising, the shoop the shit out of her 13:43:41 they * 13:43:46 DrWhat: which is why you never send unencrypted traffic over TOR 13:43:49 cayce: she was also kinda fat ;( 13:43:53 :< 13:43:55 so whats the point of tor 13:44:00 well this picked up pretty fast 13:44:00 ................. 13:44:05 I see no point in going in circles 13:44:06 source disattribution 13:44:09 DrWhat, the point of Tor is anonymity 13:44:23 you should know this 13:44:26 source disattribution <-- 13:44:36 disattribution ! 13:44:38 nsa host a exit node -> anomity broken 13:44:46 ... 13:44:47 nope 13:44:50 no, DrWhat, that is bullshit 13:44:51 guess again! 13:44:55 please go read up on the design of Tor 13:44:57 before trying to break it down 13:45:07 I did 13:45:09 agest ago 13:45:11 you clearly didn'tt 13:45:11 didnt like 13:45:14 or you misremembered 13:45:16 I think 13:45:25 DrWhat: an exit node CANNOT COMPROMISE YOUR ANONYMITY. 13:45:28 didn't like != had that flaw 13:45:35 it doesn't know who you are in the first place 13:45:38 joepie91: yes, it can ;( 13:45:42 that is pretty much THE ENTIRE POINT OF ONION ROUTING. 13:45:50 if you're running ssl connections they can't 13:45:50 Tor is a too trusted project with 1 giant security flaw that no one has found 13:45:53 *yet* 13:46:00 thats how all these things work 13:46:04 they find flaws all the time 13:46:09 there's flaws in 0.2.3 13:46:12 vld: no it can't; you can send your own identity data over it unencrypted, but then YOU are compromising your anonymity, not the exit node... 13:46:15 that's why 0.2.4 is being developed 13:46:25 I mean 1 big one 13:46:27 joepie91: cookie planting, malware injections, I can go on 13:46:28 DrWhat: again, you seem to be misinformed; the point of Tor is to not need trust 13:46:32