00:00:25 *** derpthunax has parted #crytocc (None) 00:01:46 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 00:06:58 *** achus (achus@cryto-9B07CF8C.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 00:07:20 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Disconnecting from server) 00:25:07 *** Macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 00:36:26 *** probably (asdf@probably.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:37:18 mama 00:37:18 MK_FG 00:37:20 MK_FG 00:37:23 I love you 00:37:25 <3 00:37:41 O_O 00:37:43 Do you want to dong 00:38:01 ah! typos 00:38:14 Ill puke your pines 00:42:40 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:44:33 *** IgnisInCaelum has quit (User quit: leaving) 00:50:33 *** Anonymous922 (Anonymous9@cryto-F50ABF08.mullvad.net) has joined #crytocc 00:55:28 xD 00:56:20 ? 00:59:20 *** Sprinbit (nobody@E309F3EC.C62D67A7.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:11:47 *** Macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 01:12:17 *** x (foobar@C35CA8A8.589C91BA.8F6A2B14.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:13:44 *** Macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:19:47 *** Sprinbit has quit (Client exited) 01:29:50 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 01:42:03 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@E309F3EC.C62D67A7.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:43:55 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:47:03 *** Sprinbit has quit (Client exited) 01:47:05 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 01:51:26 *** x has quit (User quit: farted in yo face~) 01:58:48 *** Zekka (zekka@cryto-74FD93F5.arizona.edu) has joined #crytocc 02:00:10 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@E309F3EC.C62D67A7.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:00:33 *** Macbeth has quit (User quit: Macbeth) 02:04:05 *** Sprinbit has quit (Client exited) 02:22:27 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@E309F3EC.C62D67A7.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:33:14 http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ 06:11:08 *** loggy (loggy@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:11:08 Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz 06:11:08 Users on #crytocc: loggy &botpie91 Okapi grows joepie91 zxcvbnm Zekka @SpaghettiCode captaino1vious connor LapAnon truetravesty &MK_FG nox norbert79 staticsafe GHOSTnew Goochy lysobit pzuraq foolex achus Anonymous922 harkor ElectRo` cayce aHlTat Asad vld d0wn|off IR601 06:11:13 .welcome Okapi 06:11:13 Okapi: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 06:11:40 * cayce giggles 06:12:14 cayce, this is a shot in the dark, but you aren't YTCracker are you? 06:12:31 I suspect you're in the wrong channel, but no 06:12:48 and by wrong channel I mean wrong network 06:13:07 so, cayce, what happened to botpie 06:13:08 and loggy 06:13:22 [20:12:44] * botpie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 06:13:31 how long ago is that? 06:13:43 (loltimezones) 06:13:49 oh 06:13:52 ~2 hours 06:14:02 no introspection on loggy, netsplits 06:14:06 hmm, right 06:14:08 netsplits? 06:14:12 there were netsplits? 06:14:18 3 of them 06:14:24 wat :| 06:14:25 between what leafs 06:14:27 er 06:14:28 leaves 06:14:35 plurals are hard 06:14:44 haless<->nexus, all three times 06:15:07 hrm. 06:15:17 18:43, 18:53, 19:01 06:15:25 right, thank you 06:15:32 might need to take that up with my host 06:15:41 oh 06:15:42 [18:41:19] * loggy has quit (Ping timeout) 06:15:43 found it 06:15:43 I get the impression that routing has worsened recently 06:16:33 seems like 06:28:22 *** Anonymous922 has quit (User quit: Leaving) 07:01:45 *** macbeth (Macbeth@Macbeth.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 07:09:47 *** macbeth has quit (Ping timeout) 07:43:21 *** x (foobar@C35CA8A8.589C91BA.8F6A2B14.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:04:30 *** Okapi has quit (User quit: Okapi) 08:24:31 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@E309F3EC.C62D67A7.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:24:54 *** Sprinbit has quit (Client exited) 08:25:02 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@E309F3EC.C62D67A7.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 08:29:38 *** Sprinbit has quit (Client exited) 08:32:06 *** LapAnon has quit (Ping timeout) 09:17:07 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 09:45:18 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@E309F3EC.C62D67A7.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:52:29 *** Sprinbit has quit (Client exited) 10:01:01 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 10:01:23 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 10:04:24 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 10:06:45 *** me (me@cryto-381869B9.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #crytocc 10:12:48 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@E309F3EC.C62D67A7.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:12:56 *** Sprinbit has quit (Client exited) 10:13:13 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@E309F3EC.C62D67A7.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:19:33 *** mama (me@cryto-6B0A8986.cannedtuna.org) has joined #crytocc 10:22:00 *** me has quit (User quit: Konversation terminated!) 10:23:38 *** Sprinbit has quit (Ping timeout) 10:34:04 .title http://www.csoonline.com/article/742570/adobe-confirms-stolen-passwords-were-encrypted-not-hashed 10:34:05 joepie91: Adobe confirms stolen passwords were encrypted, not hashed - CSO Online - Security and Risk 10:36:30 *** grows has quit (Ping timeout) 10:45:48 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:49:09 The meeting went like this: "dev: we should use hashing. manager: no no no, dumps hash with industry standard md5 get broken all the time, we must encrypt!" :P 10:52:04 *** Sprinbit has quit (Ping timeout) 10:52:18 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@57ED641E.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:58:24 hehe 10:58:26 most likely, yes 10:58:55 *** Sprinbit has quit (Ping timeout) 11:26:46 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 12:02:13 *** probably (asdf@cryto-14DACE65.torproxy-readme-arachnide-fr-35.fr) has joined #crytocc 12:09:44 *** probably has quit (Ping timeout) 12:10:59 *** probably (asdf@cryto-A55ABFDC.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 12:12:12 *** grows (asdf@cryto-A55ABFDC.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 12:13:59 *** probably has quit (Ping timeout) 12:20:46 *** grows is now known as probably 12:23:40 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 12:25:17 *** probably has quit (Ping timeout) 12:25:42 *** probably (asdf@cryto-53CBBC66.bn3t.de) has joined #crytocc 12:28:44 whoa wtf 12:28:45 MK_FG 12:28:46 https://twitter.com/gotoalberto/status/396966610466246656/photo/1 12:29:05 also, wtf, (second?) largest online food delivery service in NL now accepts Bitcoin 12:31:32 http://i.imgur.com/0jQThTI.png 12:32:13 Haha, wow 12:34:57 I'm kinda sceptical about that pic being non-fake or non-joke 12:35:31 Law prohibits transactions in non-rub here for goods 12:35:53 (which is probably same as with most other countries) 12:36:05 ? 12:36:06 it isn't 12:36:47 How can taxes be calculated/paid then? 12:36:59 I.e. you sell food for virtual stuff 12:37:07 How country should tax that? 12:37:16 the same way taxes are calculated over other goods or non-monetary income? 12:37:22 how exactly it's done depends on the country 12:37:55 Well, yeah, enterprise has an account in taxable currency to which it gets its profits 12:38:14 Don't think btc can be one 12:38:43 you're not taxed in BTC 12:38:49 you're taxed in representation of state tax currency 12:38:50 :P 12:38:51 usually 12:38:52 But not sure if it's universal, yeah, still seem to be fairly weird if countries allow free circulation of non-local currency 12:39:00 why would it be weird? 12:39:20 "you're not taxed in BTC" = "tax evasion" = "crime" 12:39:34 MK_FG: read the line that comes after it... 12:39:50 Sure, then you have to accept that currency as profit 12:39:59 I.e. not BTC, that state currency 12:40:06 what 12:40:22 MK_FG: you're taxed in $state_currency representing $value_of_good 12:40:30 whether that good is state currency, Bitcoins, or chickens 12:40:37 not sure what part is unclear :| 12:40:42 Ok, you accept 10 BTC, which amount of "value" is it? 12:41:03 How much profit you got? 12:41:16 How much tax should be added? 12:41:52 https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tax_compliance 12:42:34 that would appear to suggest "whatever they are worth at the time of exchange", which would make sense 12:44:13 There's a lot of things like "... if bitcoins are treated as a currency, you will be taxed ...", fairly sure it doesn't work that way 12:44:24 I.e. tax services are simple 12:45:01 They see your company account and all the money movements there, in local real currency, tax is on that in fixed and predictable amount 12:45:22 Everything that goes past that account is evasion 12:45:34 (or whatever else non-local-currency acount) 12:45:56 Guess could be different, but "whatever they are worth at the time of exchange" doesn't seem to be very realistic 12:46:23 Raises all sorts of questions like "worth where?" "to whom?" 12:46:45 MK_FG... 12:46:50 I don't know how things work in Russia 12:47:01 but in several countries Bitcoin has already been assessed by tax agencies 12:47:08 and declared private currency, taxable goods, etc. 12:47:32 these kind of questions have largely already been answered for other countries :| 12:47:49 My doubts above don't apply to "goods" 12:50:08 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender#Eurozone 12:51:05 Still not sure if term refers to "must accept" or "must accept only these" though... 12:52:58 Yeah, apparently "Some jurisdictions may forbid or restrict payment made other than by legal tender." isn't norm, guess you're right about that 12:59:33 That actually explains why paypal took few years to get here, and now when it did, it's totally broken, as it can't pay you out in usd and refuses to convert these :P 12:59:44 lol 12:59:48 innovation.avi 13:04:27 Hmm, twitter thread spotted logo of this - http://mycelium.com/ - at the bottom of that sign 13:04:59 So yeah, looks kinda legit, interesting 13:05:04 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-54C2B0F7.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 13:06:25 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 13:27:40 *** LapAnon (Grep@cryto-812F49C0.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 13:55:34 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Input/output error) 14:28:44 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 14:30:34 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:50:39 *** Sprinbit (Sprinbit@8CAA54D3.63DE6E0A.404FEFB4.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:53:38 *** Sprinbit has quit (Ping timeout) 15:08:27 *** beowulf (beowulf@beowulf.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:33:34 m0rning 15:54:52 ohai 16:33:25 *** apollo (Pcntlr@cryto-58751830.chrismail.de) has joined #crytocc 16:35:38 *** apollo has quit (User quit: ) 16:35:51 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:37:31 *** apollo (Pcntlr@cryto-58751830.chrismail.de) has joined #crytocc 16:42:41 *** apollo has quit (User quit: ) 17:01:40 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:21:46 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 17:26:52 joepie91: https://iceb.in/ is backup 17:26:55 urm 17:26:57 up* 17:36:00 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Input/output error) 17:36:14 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:38:54 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 17:40:42 yay 17:51:21 http://icebinled6dsmqbu.onion/ is up too! 17:51:27 cc joepie91 ^ 17:56:31 as for irc.icetwy.re... that will REALLY have to wait 17:56:54 nginx & 0bin can be set up in no time. but compiling Atheme & Charybdis is liek, ugh 18:00:37 *** DrWhat (Snake@DrWhat.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:00:41 I love you joepie91 18:05:42 *** probably has quit (Ping timeout) 18:07:33 I think that I've just understood classes in Python 18:07:40 * iceTwy yay 18:12:43 *** zest (zest@cryto-70E29873.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 18:13:37 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:15:49 *** probably (asdf@9263BECD.A781E0E7.2BF22074.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:15:52 *** zest has quit (Client exited) 18:18:24 *** Anonymous922 (Anonymous9@cryto-7F36B92C.mullvad.net) has joined #crytocc 18:20:52 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:24:44 http://www.securitykiss.com/pricing/index.php?cur=BTC 18:24:51 50% of bitcoin purcheses 18:24:55 untill 2014 18:34:19 *** zest (zest@8D86F38D.5982FCB.42C12FD2.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:39:53 wow 18:45:25 *** Anonymous922 has quit (User quit: Leaving) 18:51:26 nice 18:51:28 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ladar/lavabits-dark-mail-initiative 18:51:29 .title 18:51:31 iceTwy: Lavabit's Dark Mail Initiative by Ladar Levison — Kickstarter 18:53:42 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 18:57:43 *** Cryto591 (Cryto591@cryto-DBBBBD68.tellas.gr) has joined #crytocc 18:57:48 *** cipolla495 (cipolla495@17C49F6B.AF2DEA2D.32D8789D.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:59:25 *** cipolla495 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 19:00:51 *** Cryto591 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:06:59 Optimistic \o/ 19:07:40 I'd think whatever spooks can just come in and demand to backdoor the app in some subtle way, given their unlimited power 19:13:42 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:37:24 *** fr0z3n (fr0z3n@4E0160F6.3E704BE1.DF6106DE.IP) has joined #crytocc 19:50:06 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 19:51:29 *** beowulf has quit (User quit: Leaving) 19:55:23 *** beowulf (beowulf@beowulf.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:56:55 *** zest has quit (Ping timeout) 20:02:51 *** Cryto923 (Cryto923@cryto-50FE2B53.unitymediagroup.de) has joined #crytocc 20:03:20 hi beo 20:04:54 beowulf His freaking teeth were RED 20:08:04 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 20:10:48 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 20:11:30 hello 20:12:33 *** Cryto923 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 20:37:40 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 20:43:24 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 20:54:21 *** pzuraq has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:54:42 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 20:55:07 *** beowulf has quit (User quit: Leaving) 20:57:17 *** pzuraq_ (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 20:57:18 *** pzuraq has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:05:03 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-61119BFF.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 21:06:25 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 21:06:26 *** pzuraq_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) 21:06:28 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 21:08:01 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:30:35 *** grows (asdf@5FB77DE4.EC4DE96E.6C0BEC1B.IP) has joined #crytocc 21:31:34 *** probably has quit (Ping timeout) 21:32:43 *** probably (asdf@cryto-A3005E24.la.net.ua) has joined #crytocc 21:33:35 *** grows has quit (Ping timeout) 21:58:26 *** zest (zest@cryto-D181503A.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 22:12:36 *** zest has quit (Client exited) 22:15:19 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 22:27:20 *** cayce has quit (Ping timeout) 22:37:33 THIS 22:37:35 this. 22:37:38 very much this 22:37:40 http://spth.virii.lu/v4/articles/r3/mailworm_gpg.txt 22:37:42 .title 22:37:43 iceTwy: Document isn't HTML 22:37:47 no shit 22:37:59 "Combining a mailworm with GPG" 22:38:16 "It just recives one random public key from a keyserver, 22:38:18 extracts the email address, encrypts one of two messages and attaches 22:38:20 an encrypted copy of itself to the mail. 22:38:22 " 22:46:39 *** cayce (cayce@cayce.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:50:47 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 23:00:32 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:21:41 *** tintin (tintin@BC528341.BC88B0C2.A27E456C.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:31:54 *** DrWhat has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:40:05 *** apollo (apollo@cryto-35BD8DF.csail.mit.edu) has joined #crytocc 23:41:26 *** DrWhat (Snake@DrWhat.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc