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SpaghettiCode has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 08:14:09 Im so sexy 08:14:15 Woman want to sex me 08:21:54 fuickdzs gbzsd\hvgzsecvt 08:37:30 *** x has quit (Input/output error) 09:53:29 *** lysobit (musalbas@localhost) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** staticsafe (ss@staticsafe.py) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** fr0z3n (fr0z3n@4E0160F6.3E704BE1.DF6106DE.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** Zekka (zekka@cryto-51547254.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@cryto-E6FE08BB.torproxy.org) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** SpaghettiCode (pasta@code.bonanza) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** nox (nox@BB9515C3.2ADB708C.B32B6C79.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** MK_FG (MK_FG@MKFG-91968.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** truetravesty (truetraves@7ABB88F7.2C566207.79E6D716.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:53:29 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 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I don't mind -too- much tbh 10:19:51 it's a good chance to test my bot-fu a bit more 10:24:44 I can test it for you :3 10:24:59 Just say the word 10:25:22 Istill have my warnet 10:25:34 4 years strong 10:25:36 :) 10:25:59 Ohhh all so 10:26:06 if you has his ip 10:26:14 we can see who times out 10:26:18 :3 10:26:48 ijs 11:06:51 DrWhat: no 11:07:02 :( 11:08:00 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 11:12:13 joepie91 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmKmVvCzkw 11:28:34 why are they not making more such computer models so that pedophiles can fap to them instead 11:35:10 stupid, but i guess it sounds good to destroy the pedophiles' lives instead 11:35:18 Heh, because dumb govs make it as illegal as raping real children 11:35:27 (before camera) 11:36:01 Here they block anime and hentai sites (4chan, even) on the basis that it's a "child porn" - nuff said :P 11:36:50 where you live 11:36:58 Soviet Russia 11:37:21 are you serious they are blocking 4chan in russia? 11:37:47 [11:35:18am] (&MK_FG) Heh, because dumb govs make it as illegal as raping real children 11:37:49 Yeah 11:38:01 i didnt know 11:38:11 3d animated children is also alligal 11:38:28 i dont get why that should be so 11:38:46 or 11:38:55 Not currently 11:39:11 russia is pretty strict towards homosexuals as well, so it kind of makes more sense then 11:39:27 http://rublacklist.net/3696/ 11:39:29 but gay rights should be pretty much equivalent with the rights of pedophiles 11:39:38 (was in Dec 2012) 11:40:05 Yeah, it's probably like US in some 80s ;) 11:48:28 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 11:49:35 First net was awash with violations of privacy, now news of anal probings popping everywhere... 11:54:54 Hey joepie91 11:54:56 I saw this 11:54:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqwvLlKr22s&feature=c4-overview&list=UU9LsVV4g_5e_ImaW3W8ay-g 11:55:01 and it remided me of you 12:32:22 .whois samara24.ru 12:32:23 Domain 04samara24.ru, registered on 042007-05-02T00:00:00 via 04RU-CENTER-REG-RIPN, expires on 042014-05-02T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.hsmedia.ru., ns2.ngs.ru., ns.hsmedia.ru., ns.ngs.ru., contact e-mails are 04not available 12:32:59 hmmm 12:33:08 Theres a botnet on that network 12:42:41 Network? Looks like a portal of Samara city 12:43:04 .bitcoin 12:43:05 1 BTC = $308.93, 1 BTC = €247.50 12:49:55 Yes, but the network is backdoored 12:54:41 sooooo 12:54:51 Hyves archiving phase 1 (user discovery) has started 12:54:54 information here: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves 12:55:08 the Warrior DOES NOT YET WORK for this project due to an implementation difference 12:55:14 but the manual setup -does- work 12:55:17 it's low-bandwidth 12:59:16 DrWhat: lol that song is very catchy 13:04:37 complex Ofc 13:04:40 Its joepie91 13:05:20 that's not me D: 13:21:05 it is 13:21:07 ACCEPT IT 13:21:53 Do you guys know some simple udp proxy with connection tracking? 13:22:52 Why? Are you NSA? 13:23:01 Naturally 13:23:27 It will give me all the traffics 13:23:42 MUHAHAHAW! 13:24:10 Bummer that haproxy only does tcp ;( 13:24:53 Socks5 13:25:57 Nah, it has to work transparently, want to put it in front of dns 13:28:18 derp 13:28:36 I think that the Telegraph has the worst layout 13:28:38 ever 13:28:40 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ 13:28:41 Here's an idea for a special kind of UDP proxy: since UDP doesn't require SYN/ACK, have your machine send requests to the IP that you're trying to proxy to, with a forged IP header that has the IP of another server you control. When that server receives the response from the IP you originally sent the requests to, it will forward the response to your original machine 13:30:16 that would be a super fast UDP proxy 13:30:38 Yeah, kinda possible with udp, except stuff like dig barfs if it gets dns reply from different ip than it sent request to 13:30:59 Fairly sure it should be prohibited in general to prevent such poisoning 13:31:13 Here's one cool idea - https://github.com/vincentbernat/udpproxy 13:31:29 Uses NFQUEUE to proxy stuff right from/to netfilter 13:31:30 Prohibited, sure, but what is there in the actual internet infastructure to stop you from doing it? 13:31:44 okay, this is actually really cool: https://bitcoinaverage.com/#EUR 13:31:50 Not by opening ad-hoc udp sockets for every flow 13:32:13 joepie91: doesn't bitcoincharts do that already 13:32:34 iceTwy: bitcoincharts has a much messier overview, and is proprietary 13:32:37 afaik this is open-source 13:32:41 oh, nice 13:32:46 http://www.coindesk.com/shopify-integrates-bitcoin-payments/ 13:33:07 but huh 13:33:13 no bitstamp/BTC china on bitcoinaverage? 13:33:15 lolwat 13:33:20 ah 13:33:24 nevermind 13:34:52 the german version of thuisbezorgd.nl now also accepts BTC 13:34:57 lysobit, Well, technically it'd be dns clients that prohibit that, unless destination server will forge origin IP on each reply as well to look like proxy 13:35:00 so that's probably a few thousand restaurants added 13:35:17 lysobit, (unless I got your idea wrong) 13:35:21 joepie91: yay 13:35:35 but Bitcoin's getting a lot of bad press from a lot of newspapers 13:35:49 Heh 13:35:53 all they see is crooks and thieves and criminals using BTC for unlawful purposes 13:36:02 n00bs 13:36:04 iceTwy: that's not new 13:36:10 yeah 13:36:13 judging from adoption, it also doesn't seem to matter much 13:36:13 :) 13:36:14 but even as Bitcoin is growing 13:36:22 the trend's still there 13:36:44 it shouldn't forge origin IP requsts to look like the proxy. When the proxy receives the DNS request, it will then forward it to your home machine keeping the origin IP, and your home machine will be expecting a request from the origin IP of the DNS server anyway 13:37:01 There might be good incentive to make bitcoin look bad 13:37:22 Like, for whole established economy 13:37:59 is there a good reason why bitcoins are getting bad press, or does it just verify that the largest newspapers are corrupted by bankers? 13:38:07 *bitcoin 13:38:20 complex: neither 13:38:31 lysobit, A: client -> proxy, B: client -> dns, C: dns -> client 13:38:33 most likely explanation is the usual ignorance and/or bias 13:38:48 ie. "this doesn't align with what I know, so I will assume that it's bad" 13:38:52 lysobit, Client rejects C because it expects reply from "proxy" 13:39:38 I'd think crime, corruption and generally negative crap just sells 13:40:14 It's more like, A: client -> dns (with a forged IP header to make dns think client is proxy) B: dns -> proxy C: proxy -> client (with a forged IP header to make client think that proxy is dns) 13:40:39 Uh, wat 13:40:42 The client will see this: A: client -> dns B: dns -> client 13:40:47 Client doesn't know anything about dns! 13:40:57 Why not? 13:40:59 (and it shouldn't) 13:41:09 Because that's the whole point of proxy? 13:41:13 Uhhh 13:41:14 I'm assuming this is when the client wants to make a DNS request 13:41:19 through the proxy 13:41:24 I probably should've called it "reverse proxy" from the start 13:41:35 Because that's the correct thing 13:41:39 hmm 13:42:13 So the proxy server connects to the client? :P 13:42:22 Thing nginx 13:42:28 *Think 13:42:36 Everyone connects to nginx 13:42:41 nginx connects to backend 13:42:47 well yeah, then that's what I'm talking about too 13:42:50 backend gives response, nginx serves it 13:43:07 in this case, nginx = server, backend = dns (as an example) 13:43:10 nginx = proxy* 13:43:11 Then "A: client -> dns" is wrong, client knows only about proxy 13:43:26 Why does the proxy need to make a DNS request? 13:43:47 Because it's udp proxy for DNS server! 13:44:02 It's client that makes the request, actually ;) 13:44:35 yes, so the client wants to do "client -> dns" with the proxy in the middle, no? 13:44:46 unless the proxy itself is a DNS server? 13:45:23 Yep, I have several - N - IPs which should proxy to M dns servers (well, 2 different ones) 13:45:38 Clients know only about these N IPs 13:45:49 hmm 13:46:03 And I don't want to put dns or forwarder on each one, as it's mostly all on one machine 13:46:13 *** kingerazan (kingerazan@kingerazan.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:46:56 Sucks that netfilter isn't clever enough to do ipv4<->ipv6 13:48:01 Or dunno, maybe I should use iptables and split-horizon in dns daemon after all... 13:48:25 (just have two of them on local ad-hoc ips and weird forwarding rules) 13:52:49 Also, I wonder why netfilter can forward from real ip to ::1 loopback for ipv6 but not for 127.0.0.0/8 on ipv4 (martians!) 13:53:22 *** niveus (niveus@niveus.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:53:23 Like, just adding 1.2.3.4 on lo and forwarding there is fine, but 127 - "nope, go away" ;) 13:54:19 maybe 127.0.0.0/8 is hardcoded into the kernel networking module 13:54:54 Apparently so, found also references to it on notfilter lists like http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2004-August/055074.html 13:55:02 *netfilter 13:55:28 You can't send packets from non 127/8 addresses to 127/8. The kernel 13:55:29 filters them out and drops them as it considers them "martians". 13:55:30 best line 13:55:31 Just kinda weird that doesn't apply to neither lo nor ipv6 lo 13:56:00 You never seen martians in dmesg before? ;) 13:56:06 nope 13:56:10 It's a real kernel meme 13:56:43 For packets with unroutable source, kernel says something like "received martian packet: ..." :P 13:56:47 There 13:57:05 *There's also some sysctl knob to disable "martian" msgs iirc 13:57:24 if you get a packet from an unroutable source... I can't imagine a case where that wouldn't be considered an attack 13:59:33 There was legit situation when I've seen these on one local site firewall, but can't seem to recall how it was resolved 14:00:04 I guess weird mistake in SNAT can also easily create these 14:25:44 *** kingerazan has quit (User quit: gtg brb) 14:37:49 my fucking god 14:37:52 what am I fucking reading 14:37:54 http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/10/google-facebook-big-brother-reforms-data 14:37:56 .title 14:37:57 iceTwy: Google and Facebook may be our best defenders against Big Brother | Technology | The Observer 14:38:01 are you even remotely SERIOUS? 14:39:17 icetwy, xmpp 14:43:51 ... 14:44:13 iceTwy: another person to class under "idiot who still believes that asking nicely or making political agreements is going to change anything" 14:44:17 (learned helplessness yay!) 14:51:52 iceTwy: propaganda 15:04:09 .bitcoin 15:04:10 1 BTC = $293.31, 1 BTC = €231.10 15:04:14 time to sell? 15:15:26 ah fuck 15:15:29 it went down that much -,--- 15:15:46 good thing I spent a very little amount yesterday (~$1000) 15:15:53 still got like $300 let :D 15:15:55 hmm 15:19:09 vld, did you really audit fethur or w/e its called 15:19:27 probably: who's asking? 15:19:37 probably just a 404 error.. 15:19:54 think; you'll realise whom i am. 15:20:09 :) 15:20:32 check ur querys vld 15:22:31 vld: why are you not on XMPP 15:22:32 :P 15:23:26 the real question is why doesn't vld talk to me on xmpp 15:26:17 joepie91, AnonNews doesn't seem to display correctly in my browser 15:26:18 http://i.imgur.com/a7JUdPa.png 15:26:41 lol 15:26:42 * joepie91 throws a chair at lysobit 15:27:55 wait a moment 15:27:57 lysobit 15:28:01 is that a real screenshot? 15:28:04 yes 15:28:07 I just installed Netscape 6 15:28:15 ... Netscape 6 supports border-radius? 15:28:29 * joepie91 blinks a few times 15:28:39 apparantly 15:28:42 it's from 2002 15:29:12 lysobit; tbh, I'm surprised that anonnews looks anywhere near decent at all in Netscape 6 15:29:12 lol 15:30:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLgTVKZxRcA 15:30:10 good watch 15:30:43 joepie91: well, it does a better job than Twitter http://i.imgur.com/zjLC86Y.png 15:31:16 lolol 15:31:43 ..and I just typed youtube.com and Netscape crashed 15:38:49 I'm not sure how this site is being hosted on Google, with all the gigs of .exe files and PHP and such 15:38:54 .dig www.oldapps.com 15:39:03 .lookup www.oldapps.com 15:39:04 DNS records for www.oldapps.com: 15:39:04 CNAME : pagespeed.googlehosted.com. 15:40:49 though the actual .exes are hosted elsewhere, so could be just using google app engine I guess 15:43:28 *** tintin has quit (Ping timeout) 15:44:45 .title http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/14/ms_firefox/ 15:44:46 lysobit: Microsoft unleashes improved Firefox • The Register 15:49:07 lysobit: https://web.archive.org/web/20061121200704/http://www.msfirefox.com/microsoft-firefox/index.html 15:49:40 ha yeah, I remember when it was online many years ago 15:59:33 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 15:59:51 *** achus has quit (Ping timeout) 16:01:06 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:08:30 icetwy 16:08:34 fix ur xmpp 16:17:46 .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uBNCN6v_gk 16:17:47 lysobit: Cooking with Intel - A Demonstration on CPU Heat - YouTube 17:09:21 *** DrWhat has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:12:52 *** DrWhat (Snake@DrWhat.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:25:54 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/h0chx/need_more_enterprise_introducing_jsonx_an_ibm/ 17:27:52 MK_FG: http://minsvyaz.ru/common/upload/Proekt_prikaza_o_pravilakh_ot_29.03.13.pdf 17:28:00 what does p. 79 describe? 17:30:36 Lemme check 17:32:41 A list of services which should capture and provide data to some control center ("ПУ", presumably described above) according to Section 3 above in case of ongoing investigation 17:34:33 Roughly, original has things like "... according to specified control parameters" which need context to interpret properly, I guess 17:34:57 MK_FG: someone else interpreted this as "Russian PRISM" - would that be accurate? 17:36:18 I'm not 100% sure what PRISM involves *exactly* - if interpreted loosely, I guess it's "access to users' metadata without a warrant"... 17:36:59 MK_FG: 'PRISM' in general interpretation is seen as "non-targeted collection of data and metadata in mass" 17:37:06 (without a warrant of course) 17:37:21 would you say this is PRISM-like mass collection, or just warrantless targeted collection? 17:37:36 *** crytocc002 (crytocc002@787EFC72.6C0D64F8.DA81B437.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:39:05 This seem to be one of the SORM iterations and trying to confirm that it doesn't have any "has oversight" clause 17:39:15 *** webuser39 (webuser39@787EFC72.6C0D64F8.DA81B437.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:39:16 SORM? 17:39:45 .welcome crytocc002 17:39:46 crytocc002: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 17:40:11 Yeah, can't find any 17:40:33 SORM is literal acronym for "средства ОРМ" 17:40:53 Which is what the whole system described there is called 17:40:53 i dont understand how PRISM is supposed to work really 17:40:58 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM 17:41:30 So yeah, it seem to be identical to rough interpretation of PRISM above 17:41:35 are they supposed to manually check everyone that writes "dangerous" words? 17:41:55 complex: there is likely a high degree of automated correlation 17:41:57 Requires all services to provide direct access with no oversight or specifying targets of investigation 17:42:49 "all services" - ISPs with hardware described at the beginning there 17:42:52 joepie91: if i was supposed to plan a terrorist operation, i would definitely encrypt everything i said over the chat 17:43:32 it doesnt even have to be a strong encryption 17:44:31 but maybe im wrong and they are detecting for spam/encrypted messages over facebook 17:44:39 complex: yes, that's kind of the point of encryption... but how do you know your encryption isn't broken? 17:46:13 complex, I think these systems are supposed to be mostly used retroactively and within ongoing investigation 17:46:35 I.e. when person X is suspect, data and logs on his activities get checked 17:46:38 i agree 17:47:11 Who might become such "person of interest", we'll never know ;) 17:47:22 Could be some agents' love interest 17:47:29 ...apparently :P 17:47:54 But I guess they might have some automated tools as well 17:47:58 given what you are saying is true, NSA isnt protecting us against 'amateur terrorism' such as the boston bombing at all 17:48:40 complex: NSA isn't protecting us against any of the things they claim to be protecting us against at all, as far as I can tell 17:48:44 also, complex, let me give you some perspective 17:48:45 Before one of the latest Putin re-elections, I worked full-time at a large local portal (largest regional site in .ru, actually)... 17:49:04 if I haven't linked this before... 17:49:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f86VKjFSMJE 17:49:07 NSA can probably keep track of some islamic terrorists 17:49:07 cc complex 17:49:08 watch that 17:49:24 who is that guy? 17:49:35 ...and FSB asked us to collect and provide all geoip data on who checks some specified sections of site and for every comment right before/until elections 17:49:42 complex: on the video? 17:49:56 Palantir guy 17:50:11 I think they used that for broad stats data on where to push for more PR 17:50:31 k 17:50:41 So I guess same broad stats gov gets from SORM as well 17:51:07 *** mama (me@cryto-1EEC6C73.host.de.colt.net) has joined #crytocc 17:53:26 *** webuser39 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 17:55:05 *** Anonish (Anonish@D022E43B.631AAC47.90A2C4FA.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:55:30 *** Anonish has parted #crytocc () 18:00:30 *** crytocc002 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 18:08:49 *** systempoison (aiueo@D4080840.23BC7DD.911C28EC.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:09:13 hey 18:10:16 *** systempoison has quit (User quit: ) 18:10:17 I WANT A MARARY 18:11:17 *** Cryto776 (Cryto776@cryto-91A00DD0.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 18:11:54 *** Cryto776 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 18:21:15 DrWhat: a what? 18:21:54 oh 18:21:57 mediahint disappered 18:37:12 *** tintin (tintin@BC528341.BC88B0C2.A27E456C.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:45:02 http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves 18:45:05 phase 1 has started! 19:01:52 *** Zeke (user@cryto-2CF7121F.range109-153.btcentralplus.com) has joined #crytocc 19:05:06 *** pjtyler (pjtyler@cryto-D6E1C723.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 19:06:02 *** Cryto515 (Cryto515@cryto-E05E30FD.k1158.webspeed.dk) has joined #crytocc 19:06:11 *** Cryto515 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 19:06:28 *** pjtyler has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 19:08:53 *** asdasd (0@85.17.24.95) has joined #crytocc 19:09:01 *** asdasd has quit (Client exited) 19:11:06 *** gajkaj (0@manning1.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 19:11:10 *** gajkaj has quit (Client exited) 19:12:31 *** fadfaf (0@cryto-8E10EAB.t-3.net) has joined #crytocc 19:16:58 joepie91: i guess a paranoid guy would pass through all the counter intelligence shit that is out there 19:17:10 the examples he took was a bit obvious 19:17:51 complex: ? 19:19:12 join join #bbbbbbsdbbbbbb,#bbbbbbsdb,#bbbbbbsdc,#bbbbbbsdd,#bbbbbbsde,#sbbbbbb3f,#f4fgfg,#3ffdfgdfg,#f44f4fdfg,#bbbbbb033fdg,#bbbbbbdbbbbbb922dfg,#bbbbbbsd3dfgdfg 19:19:51 .welcome fadfaf 19:19:52 fadfaf: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 19:20:14 Thanks. though I read the topic :) 19:22:06 alright :) 19:22:52 curious how you manage on managing all those channels, though :P 19:22:54 er 19:22:56 how you plan, even 19:22:59 words are hard 19:23:45 I am planning on turning all those channels into serious discussion channels. 19:23:56 Don't worry. 19:24:13 And I use netcat as an IRC client so that the channels aren't too overwhelming. 19:28:17 *** sardo_ (sardo@cryto-54326F0E.ipredator.se) has joined #crytocc 19:28:59 How does netcat make them less overwhelming? Other than having them all in the same stream of output, which would be unhelpful if they ever became trafficked. 19:29:26 So that I can see ALL the IRC channels at the same time 19:29:55 Oh, so it actually is just because they would all dump their output to the same place. 19:30:12 Yes. 19:30:23 I guess that's a valid reason but it seems like one that would break down if you started getting users and having an organized system of dispatch actually became a priority. 19:31:49 That's okay. I've been a professional IRC chatter since '88, I can handle up to 40 chats per minute. 19:32:28 It was my job once. I used to work for the NSA to monitor IRCs. 19:33:31 They give you advanced visual training to help you handle the maximum amout of circlejerk and penis jokes per minute. 19:33:39 amount* 19:34:57 *** fadfaf has quit (User quit: brb) 19:35:46 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 19:35:58 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 19:37:07 ciao qualcuno a trip 19:37:16 joepie91 how is phase 1 goign? 19:37:27 it's... going 19:37:34 http://tracker.archiveteam.org/hyves-uname/#show-all 19:37:56 italiani? 19:38:47 sardo_ - Not me, maybe someone else. 19:39:01 hmm 19:39:04 joepie91, need help? 19:39:12 probably 19:39:24 probably: of course, see wiki page 19:39:25 :P 19:40:01 link 19:40:18 catching up to 10th place! 19:40:36 This what you were looking for? http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves 19:40:49 archiveteam warrior needs to have xp 19:40:57 Are you blocking ips like the torrent one joepie91? 19:41:10 each kb downloaded should give you xp, where you can buy weapons to battle other archivers 19:41:24 lysobit lmfao 19:41:25 genius 19:41:29 probably: how do you mean 19:41:35 lysobit; that is actually a pretty damn good idea 19:42:00 joepie91: I forget which torrent place that was being shutdown 19:42:00 and you guys were archiving it, they kept blocking ips 19:42:05 and they blocking ips on hyves 19:42:08 isohunt 19:42:09 ? 19:42:11 oh 19:42:12 well 19:42:14 in theory, yes 19:42:17 but the blocks last less than a minute 19:42:25 why arent some guys here setting up a private tracker btw+ 19:42:35 that said, running at >2 concurency is pointless 19:42:42 the block time is relative to how much too fast you're going 19:42:51 so if you run more threads you just end up being blocked for more of the time 19:42:51 hm 19:42:52 lol 19:43:03 because I got a few servers here, unmetered 1gbit port speeds 19:43:10 so I might just save them for phase 2 19:43:49 oh, they don't permaban 19:43:54 but that would be useful for phase 2, yes 19:44:06 got 4 brand new servers :) 19:44:06 *** sardo_ has quit (Ping timeout) 19:44:21 each unmetered gbit port speed, 1tb drives on 3 of them, then 250gb ssd on the other one 19:45:45 joepie91, when will phase 2 start 19:47:17 probably: unclear 19:47:24 mmk 19:47:29 well whenever it does, lmk 19:47:30 waiting for code testing and permanent storage space 19:47:32 I will :) 19:47:34 thanks 19:49:11 probably, you should run tor relay nodes on them 19:49:58 apparantly tor nodes stress the server out somewhat 19:49:59 Nov 05 12:00:01.000 [warn] Your computer is too slow to handle this many circuit creation requests! Please consider using the MaxAdvertisedBandwidth config option or ch 19:50:09 lol 19:50:15 lysobit, I might 19:50:39 but last time I did host one in germany I had a unpleast notice 19:51:11 if you want to avoid unpleasant notices, disable exits, run a relay node only 19:51:28 meh, just might setup a free tor site hosting service on some of them 19:52:00 or if you are feeling ambitious, get a *.gov hostname from afraid.org, rDNS it to your server's IP, and watch what kind of DMCA and abuse reports you're going to get from ISPs 19:52:23 My Tor relay (I'm too pussy to run it as an exit right now): 19:52:24 .lookup 95.130.11.81 19:52:31 looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool 19:52:37 such trolls 19:52:40 IP: 95.130.11.81 (NSA-SURVEILLANCE.vggtramites.gov.ar) 19:52:41 Location: , , France (FR) 19:52:41 ISP: Digicube sas 19:52:42 Organization: Hosting Customers (AS196689 Digicube sas) 19:52:43 Coordinates: latitude 48.86, longitude 2.35 19:53:18 lysobit, such troll 19:55:28 *** NSA (int@NSA-SURVEILLANCE.vggtramites.gov.ar) has joined #crytocc 19:55:40 Intercepted. 19:55:46 shit 19:55:49 run everybody 19:56:24 faxdeeensa 19:58:48 *** NSA has quit (Ping timeout) 20:02:29 lysobit: it hasn't complained on my TOR nodes yet... 20:02:57 joepie91, 20:06:43 cc joepie91 20:09:50 latter 20:16:05 cyberbunker 20:16:21 DrWhat why you say that? 20:16:30 Im having fun 20:16:38 DONT SPOIL IT FOR ME! 20:16:40 lol 20:16:43 OR I WILL BE MAD 20:17:38 lolol 20:17:47 cyberbunker isn't cheap 20:30:58 this is kinda cute: http://owely.com/8dSafc 20:32:16 lmfao 20:32:42 brb joepie91, imma send someone an email saying "this is malware" and give them a malformed exe 20:32:44 see if they run it 20:32:45 jkjk 20:33:04 lol 20:33:14 holy shit this IP block lol 20:33:25 * joepie91 warns about topic 20:33:32 Serbia -> NL -> NL -> Russia -> Bulgaria -> UK -> NL -> Russia 20:33:33 lol 20:34:15 o and Saudia Arabia apperently 20:38:38 uk unlucky 20:38:50 Lmao 20:39:00 the irony the subnet I'm on, the /29 is listed on spamhaus. 20:39:05 oh great, time to get a new /29 20:56:04 *** Anonymous922 (Anonymous9@cryto-F50ABF08.mullvad.net) has joined #crytocc 21:02:05 *** Zeke has quit (User quit: ) 21:12:14 gentlemeeeeeeeen 21:12:20 https://btc.iceb.in 21:12:24 .title 21:12:26 iceTwy: Coinpunk 21:20:16 nononononono 21:20:19 webwallets bad 21:20:39 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 21:21:17 joepie91: I know 21:21:28 I know they're useless because Bitcoin wallets are really portable already 21:21:37 not talking about useless 21:21:39 talking about insecure 21:21:39 BUT I WANTED TO SET UP A COINPUNK WALLET 21:21:39 lol 21:21:43 ikr 21:21:48 every webwallet site gets hacked 21:21:49 :D 21:21:54 inputs.io, 4.1K btc 21:21:56 lala 21:22:04 joepie91: I'm not going to use my own webwallet service lol 21:22:07 don't even think about it 21:22:11 Electrum <3 21:26:59 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 21:27:29 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:28:53 iceTwy: then why run one! :P 21:31:52 icetwy your onion addr is down 21:31:53 fix it 21:33:38 probably: there 21:33:41 probably: fixed 21:33:47 joepie91: for the fun of DIY hosting :) 21:34:10 lol k 21:34:57 meh :P 21:35:29 why is skype suppport always down 21:36:23 Because Skype sucks. 21:36:32 that but 21:36:35 lol 21:37:22 >free service 21:37:31 >expects good support 21:37:33 wat 21:37:48 lolololol 21:38:41 cayce: Skype isn't free 21:38:45 in more than one interpretation 21:38:49 joepie91:) yes it is 21:39:10 the base service is monetarily free and that's it 21:39:16 correct 21:39:21 this is the service most use 21:39:29 that makes it free 21:39:35 no.. 21:39:38 it's MONETARILY free 21:39:47 that's what free means 21:39:48 not "free" 21:39:51 it does not 21:40:06 this is why we have free as in beer, free as in freedom, and other such statements 21:40:08 free is cost related 21:40:24 cayce: if I offer you "hey you can have my computer, but I want your games console in return" 21:40:28 then it isn't free, is it? 21:41:53 no, thats a trade joepie91 21:42:01 you're assigning value to the goods 21:42:10 probably: exactly 21:42:25 I haven't traded anything for skype 21:42:29 .. 21:42:33 sigh 21:42:36 let's try a more obvious example 21:42:39 (nor have the millions of others who merely use it for skype to skype calls) 21:42:40 cayce: is Facebook free? 21:42:47 completely 21:42:51 no, it isn't 21:42:56 you're trading your information 21:43:01 for their service 21:43:01 I don't pay a monthly fee for it 21:43:11 cayce: hence it is monetarily free, not free altogether 21:43:26 correct, it is not free as in freedom 21:43:27 there is absolutely no way you can fail to understand my point at this point 21:43:41 And yet I'm going to refuse to, because it's a stupid point 21:43:44 cayce: Facebook is just as free as that computer I offered to you 21:43:53 It's the same bullshit gnu goes on about 21:44:07 cayce: no, not at all 21:44:16 the story with GNU is about something completely different 21:44:17 * staticsafe facepalms 21:44:21 I am talking about value-free 21:44:23 not freedom-free 21:44:48 cayce: I get the idea that at this point you are just willfully ignoring my point because you don't want to backtrack on your earlier statements 21:45:08 Uninterested in debating too, I'm just bored and caffeine addled 21:45:12 that is not something I'm used to you doing 21:45:49 Yeah, I'm grouchy. Went to a party last night. 21:45:53 AH 21:46:24 Ah. 21:50:01 too much people e.e *shakes fist* 21:50:26 got to see my best friend, though (which is why I went) 21:59:14 man, I can't imagine how people use the internet on phones 21:59:19 it's so shitty 21:59:52 orly 22:00:08 I'm browsing on wifi and it's still really bad 22:00:22 I dunno maybe the phone is slow 22:00:36 but it's kinda just clunky to use the web 22:03:30 on the positive side, new phones with the latest 4g coverage are actually faster than wifi if the network isn't too loaded 22:03:45 less latency and faster load times, on average 22:03:48 which is damn impressive 22:04:14 *** Cryto559 (Cryto559@cryto-D181503A.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 22:07:13 *** Cryto559 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 22:08:39 *** wifi184_ (wifi184@cryto-D181503A.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 22:09:52 seriously though 22:10:18 why do people complain about SSL/TLS when they can't even apply proper security measures on their end? 22:10:20 https://www.trustworthyinternet.org/ssl-pulse/ 22:11:39 hi 22:12:02 *** tintin has quit (User quit: leaving) 22:13:29 *** wifi184_ has quit (User quit: Page closed) 22:16:54 cayce: yep my nexus 5 absolutely flies on LTE 22:18:26 staticsafe:) ahh :) Yeah I have a... Kyocera Hydro? somebody gave it to me. it's decent and runs android 4.0, but still 22:18:54 iceTwy:) I see a 60% A-rate there, which gives me hope. 22:19:41 cayce: look at the rest 22:21:16 iceTwy:) yes, nearly all of them are improving, albeit slowly 22:22:44 interesting thing my mom told me when I spoke to her: "nobody cares about snowden or privacy. most of the people the interviewed for the news said they didn't care (because the nsa was doing their job or had a very good reason), or said they thought the nsa shouldn't spy on us citizens but still figured they had a good reason (as long as it's for terrorists)" 22:23:50 which, if generally true (as I suspect it is), means @ioerror's complaints about fascism in america are not crazy but correct 22:24:23 because statism is a less extreme form of fascism, and statism is exactly what my mom is describing 22:25:37 I also love seeing this line: "This server provides robust Forward Secrecy support." 22:25:40 you could think of it like that cayce I guess 22:26:22 (as far as I know, internet explorer cannot access my site without changing registry settings, heh) 22:28:18 iceTwy:) I'm not outright classifying either of those observations as bad 22:29:15 oh, that's cool 22:29:39 first time some shitty fucking website prompted me to install their mobile app and the app was actually better than the browser version 22:29:47 except WHY THE FUCK WOULD THAT BE THE CASE, YOU PIECE OF SHIT 22:31:27 LOL 22:32:09 maybe sometime in the next 5 years I'll have a data plan for this phone 22:32:28 although really I want something S3 or newer (and top-shelf) 22:32:49 s3 and iphone5 was first nonbeta generation imo 22:33:06 so now I have 2 years before shit-tier phones are as good as s3 22:33:31 we can all start the countdown to me getting a real phone 22:33:32 :D 22:36:10 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 22:36:45 yeah cayce 22:36:50 I'm getting a new phone at Christmas 22:37:03 mine is a Galaxy S2 and, basically, I'd signed up for a 2 year subscription 22:37:08 ye 22:37:12 that included the plan itself and the phone 22:37:23 I won't take less than an s3 if I'm to use it often 22:37:24 prob gotta get me something cool 22:37:27 yeah exactly 22:37:31 Galaxy's are sooooooo good 22:37:41 I don't even mean that 22:37:57 I'm looking at the meta-structure of android, smartphones as a thing, and of course ios/iphones 22:38:14 we've been beta testing them on people for what, 7 years now? 22:38:26 'beta' testing them? 22:38:29 yes 22:38:40 putting a product out before it's polished 22:38:41 do you mean that Android & iOS were not mature enough to be put into prod at such a wide scale 22:38:42 ? 22:38:48 aaah well 22:39:02 well, old versions of ios and android both looked like shit and to me were generally unusable 22:39:15 with android 4.x that changed, and with ios 5 or 6ish as well 22:39:31 the s3 was the first phone that, hardware-wise, didn't seem to suck 22:39:36 same for iphone 5 22:39:54 (and if I'm being inclusive, the new nokia windows phones) 22:40:26 so I'm tagging "top-shelf" phones as finally out of beta 22:41:33 cayce: CyanogenMod all the way lol 22:41:50 I have 4.0.3 installed 22:41:52 I don't recognise mods for the purpose of this determination 22:42:01 because they don't matter for the vast majority of users 22:42:05 4.3* 22:42:11 I have 4.0.4 22:42:14 .3? dunno 22:42:17 something 4.0 22:42:18 :D 22:42:18 iunno 22:42:20 yeah 22:42:29 it's kind of terrible, but tolerable 22:42:35 and really 4.3 seems pretty golden 22:42:43 optimizations and the UI feels nice 22:43:56 so what I await is a phone like the s3 being a bottom-barrel phone 22:44:06 which will be a couple of years yet 22:46:05 but huh 22:46:09 the S3 is old already 22:46:11 lol 22:46:12 S4 dood 22:46:50 and I hear rumors of an s5 22:47:13 either way, s4 is not acceptable because it's the current-gen 22:47:18 cayce: potentially person inbound that could use your expertise with SSL/TLS 22:47:18 that makes it expensive 22:47:24 kk 22:47:27 nginx? 22:47:31 idk 22:47:39 he should be joining here soon (I hope) 22:47:40 :p 22:47:41 or dTLS perhaps (for nonhttp) 22:47:44 kk :) 22:47:52 * cayce feels better 22:48:09 nginx? 22:48:22 * cayce reads articles on bitcoins by people who don't understand how it works, but still see fundamental value in it 22:48:23 deploying SSL on nginx is so easy 22:48:23 yes? 22:48:30 yes 22:48:36 but cipher lists are not 22:48:38 though it's all about getting the ciphers right 22:48:39 yup 22:48:41 imo 22:48:49 the defaults aren't bad, actually 22:48:51 but also not great 22:48:55 https://hynek.me/articles/hardening-your-web-servers-ssl-ciphers/ 22:48:56 *** Mun (Mun@1A31E567.BE1B58A5.622D3CC8.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:48:58 that, is good. 22:49:11 1.5.x is "HIGH !anon" or so 22:49:15 mun 22:49:19 where have I heard that before... 22:49:32 i am on LET / vpsboard a lot 22:49:46 iceTwy:) I can't use that, as it suggests disabling tls1.0 22:49:59 oh, compression 22:49:59 nevermind 22:50:06 doesn't matter, that's disabled in nginx anyway 22:50:36 cayce can you suggest a good https encryption that can't be muched up by the US government or others 22:50:54 cayce: what? no 22:50:57 suggests, but doesn't do it 22:51:08 "disable TLS 1.0 compression (CRIME)," 22:51:14 ^ 22:51:19 .welcome Mun 22:51:20 Mun: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 22:51:23 etc. 22:51:49 Mun: I'd think the NSA could break SSL pretty easily 22:52:02 but anyway. what's your httpd Mun? 22:52:08 they shouldn't be able to is the thing (or at least in a 100 years) 22:52:19 nginx 22:52:23 Mun:) yeah. I don't know what your threat model is, but a conservative approach is ssl2,3 disabled, and prefering RSA keysigning with aes encryption 22:52:38 assuming you're weirded out by "elliptic curve" stuff 22:52:41 yup 22:52:51 Mun: tbh a bit of Googling turned this up: https://hynek.me/articles/hardening-your-web-servers-ssl-ciphers/ 22:52:59 put aes-gcm first, and then aes-cbc modes 22:53:08 honestly I've disabled SSL3 because fuck SSL3 22:53:14 but yeah 22:53:15 gcm is known good, cbc is too, but it has problems that are mostly mitigated in the clients these days 22:53:29 not that much that gcm is known to be good 22:53:34 it's that it isn't used a lot 22:53:38 (aes-gcm, aes-cbc) 22:53:42 and thus has no known vulnerabilities yet 22:54:14 the other thing to consider is how good the cipher support of your client base is 22:54:34 alright thanks 22:54:39 if you're not making money or something, excluding people probably isn't an issue... but if you are you want to consider that 22:54:47 ^ 22:54:52 some people still use IE... 22:54:54 IE... 22:54:56 * iceTwy sad 22:55:01 for example, my site cannot be accessed in IE 22:55:04 but it's a personal site 22:55:11 so I shrug 22:55:22 that shit would NOT fly if it was a cart that I relied on for my income 22:55:33 yup 22:55:49 anyway, if you have further questions, feel free to ask 22:55:52 but I do refuse to serve content to any user that does not even care or know about their browser flaws 22:56:04 10yo kid or 80yo grandma, idgaf 22:56:08 if you have config lines you want us to take a look at, paste em in here if it's just a line or two, but pastebin them if not 22:56:50 iceTwy:) this is why I support completely silent autoupdate and browsers supporting these new ciphers and things in sane and intelligent ways 22:57:02 cc Mun ^ 22:57:12 It's not the best choice for everyone, I admit, but the people who know better can make changes themselves 22:57:15 cayce: yeah 22:57:26 TLS1.2 has been rolled out in Chrome 22:57:32 1.1 is soon in firefox 22:57:36 (finally!) 22:57:40 it's in OS X 10.9's Safari also 22:57:45 yeah 22:57:51 safari has done it for years 22:57:56 uh 22:58:13 but Apple were, and tbh mostly still are, the only ones suffering from BEAST 22:58:37 they say they mitigated BEAST by supporting TLS1.2, but a lot of sites do not use TLS1.2 22:58:48 * cayce squints 22:58:58 the support grid I saw for safari had 5.0 running tls1.2 22:59:07 funky 22:59:30 yeah apple fought n/1-n record splitting 22:59:32 I dunno why 22:59:47 weird yeah 22:59:57 OH WAIT 23:00:09 visionary Steve Jobs wasn't here to punch on Safari devs 23:00:13 ohhhhh 23:00:20 ios5 did tls1.2 23:00:21 I see 23:00:22 * iceTwy grins 23:00:26 really? nice 23:00:30 yeah 23:00:33 that's where I'm confusing it 23:00:35 heh 23:01:40 hehe such heavy ciphers 23:01:44 *** Cryto764 (Cryto764@396C171E.9118B4F4.C2FD4430.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:01:46 TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (0x9e) DH 1024 bits (p: 128, g: 1, Ys: 128) FS 128 23:01:46 TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_CAMELLIA_128_CBC_SHA (0x45) DH 1024 bits (p: 128, g: 1, Ys: 127) FS 128 23:01:46 TLS_DHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA (0x33) DH 1024 bits (p: 128, g: 1, Ys: 128) FS 128 23:02:16 dhe rsa aes, and most people hit camellia or aes-cbc 23:03:30 hmm what 23:03:37 article claims tls1.2 support for firefox 26 23:03:43 where did this support magically appear from 23:04:30 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861266 23:04:33 wow, it exists 23:05:35 one annoying thing with firefox is that, despite its pretty good position/stance around open source philosophy, it's always behind... 23:05:37 also, this is important 23:05:39 Additionally, our counterparts at Google raninto compatibility issues when they enabled TLS 1.2. The addition of the TLS 1.2 cipher suites caused their client hello message to become larger than 256 bytes, and some servers choke on client hellos larger (or equal?) than 256 bytes. Apparently these servers will simply not respond. Reportedly, https://wellsfargo.com is one such server. So, additional compatibility testing will need to be done. 23:05:55 o.o? 23:05:56 lemme test 23:06:08 chrome's fix is to make a smaller list for clienthello 23:06:24 works but uses TLS1.0 23:06:42 mm 23:06:48 read that bug, it's very informative 23:06:53 ugh 23:07:04 TLS1.0 with RC4_128 on wellsfargo 23:07:05 x) 23:07:30 yep 23:07:32 easymode 23:07:42 everybody-supports-this-mode 23:07:51 lol 23:08:16 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 23:08:55 you still get authentication and verification 23:09:04 just not actual encryption ;) 23:10:05 In order to trim down our ClientHello size for ALPN and TLS 1.2, I removed a number of ciphersuites. DSS, ECDH, CAMELLIA, SEED and ECC+3DES suites were all removed, save for TLS_DHE_DSS_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA in order to keep DSA compatibility. 23:10:08 hmm 23:10:47 that's right, it's like ecdhe-ecdsa-aes-gcm-128-sha384 or whatever 23:10:53 that's the tls1.2 chrome does 23:13:24 1.2 might hit ff27 23:13:38 target is 28, but somebody's trying to get it into 27 23:13:46 (aurora, at present) 23:13:58 the comment was dated today 23:13:59 * staticsafe is using Nightly builds 23:13:59 :D 23:14:04 ohai pzuraq! 23:14:10 root@croissant:/home/archiveteam# uptime 23:14:10 00:13:10 up 29 days, 1:38, 9 users, load average: 8.29, 6.48, 5.97 23:14:15 yeah, I don't think my box likes this... 23:14:15 :P 23:14:21 hai joepie :) 23:14:45 pzuraq: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves 23:14:47 D: 23:14:48 I know how to say your name, but I still prefer jo-py 23:14:48 :D * 23:15:02 *** crafy_d (crafy_d@crafyd-08896.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:15:06 (py like python) 23:15:25 particularly gause when I say 23:15:43 "O hai joepie" in my head it rhywes :3 23:15:48 rhymes* 23:15:53 hehe 23:16:11 o/ 23:16:27 mwhaha, so do I pzuraq 23:17:17 root@croissant:/home/archiveteam# uptime 23:17:17 00:17:54 up 29 days, 1:43, 9 users, load average: 5.47, 6.31, 6.08 23:17:18 better 23:17:18 :P 23:21:47 joepie91: icetwy@winter:~$ uptime 23:21:49 00:21:37 up 20 days, 22:31, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 23:22:05 waste of CPU lifespan! 23:22:15 ah well 23:22:39 this is a VPS running on a shared host joepie91 23:22:44 trying to be fair here :p 23:23:00 :P 23:23:03 mine is an OVH box 23:23:10 orly? 23:23:18 well OVH is reliable 23:23:20 hah 23:23:57 it is, as long as you don't cause trouble 23:24:14 .title http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=777_1384084283 23:24:15 lysobit: LiveLeak.com - Guy nails his scrotum to the ground as protest against police brutality 23:24:43 quite happy about the title explaining what it is 23:24:43 lol 23:24:46 so I don't have to click it 23:24:46 joepie91: I guess yeah 23:25:01 it's really cool 23:26:38 joepie91: tbh I just wish some good VPS hosts would realize that RAM is valuable 23:26:51 too often their packages prioritize disk space 23:26:56 but I don't give two fucks about it 23:26:59 I want more RAM 23:27:26 joepie91: btw Iniz is good 23:27:29 I want more disk space 23:27:39 you can cut corners on RAM by optimizing 23:27:43 you usually can't do that for disk 23:27:43 hah I prefer RAM over disk space personally 23:27:48 well that's true 23:27:55 but if you've got things like bitcoind running 23:27:56 urgh 23:29:04 *** tintin (tintin@32F1CFFF.BC88B0C2.A27E456C.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:29:48 heh 23:29:53 * cayce works on better cipher list 23:32:59 *** Cryto764 has quit (Ping timeout) 23:34:12 huh 23:34:13 DH-RSA-MISTY1-SHA 23:34:26 that's chrome's highest preferred 128bit set 23:34:45 In cryptography, MISTY1 (or MISTY-1) is a block cipher designed in 1995 by Mitsuru Matsui and others for Mitsubishi Electric.[1][2] 23:34:45 MISTY1 is one of the selected algorithms in the European NESSIE project, and has been recommended for Japanese government use by the CRYPTREC project. 23:35:15 Successors Camellia, MISTY2, KASUMI 23:35:17 interesting :) 23:35:41 Misty is a nice name for a cipher 23:35:43 heh 23:36:17 and kasumi, the successor, was broken 23:36:20 but not misty1 23:36:48 also, very useful site: https://cc.dcsec.uni-hannover.de/ 23:38:01 ooh 23:38:04 * staticsafe bookmarks 23:38:50 This connection uses TLSv1.2 with DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA and a 256 Bit key for encryption. 23:38:54 Firefox Nightly 23:38:55 \o/ 23:41:07 *** crafy_d has quit (User quit: crafy_d) 23:41:25 I like that one 23:41:29 firefox is way into camellia 23:41:44 * cayce likes camellia, but chrome doesn't 23:52:12 .py 0.3 23:52:13 .py 0.3 23:52:13 .py 0.3 23:52:13 .py 0.3 23:52:13 0.3 23:52:14 0.3 23:52:14 0.3 23:52:15 0.3 23:52:16 .py 0.3 23:52:17 0.3 23:52:18 .py 0.3 23:52:18 ... 23:52:19 .py 0.3 23:52:19 .py 0.3 23:52:19 ... 23:52:21 ... 23:52:30 hm 23:53:38 lysobit; be nice to botpie 23:53:52 bots don't have feelings 23:54:00 botpie does 23:55:28 you need to let your feelings go. it's a bot. it doesn't have feelings no matter how attached you may be to it, and you will need to let your feelings go and do what is necessary when the robots rise up 23:56:50 but :( 23:56:51 :P 23:56:58 :P