00:05:04 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-DC7F77E2.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 00:06:25 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 00:25:07 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 00:29:19 how do i change a nickserv password? 00:33:04 probably with SET PASSWORD 00:33:25 you are correct 00:33:33 i had a mind derp there 00:33:58 /nickserv set password <=[]=password=[]=> 00:37:48 i can't believe my new server costed me so much 00:38:11 -,- e3-1230v2, /28, 16gb ram, 2x1tb hdd, 1gbit unmetered - $600/m 00:38:40 [0].(o) 00:40:18 joepie91 00:40:43 what? 00:40:52 ever take pics of ur new desk? 00:40:55 also that's not a very good deal 00:41:01 yes, I posted them in here yesterday 00:41:01 :p 00:41:05 link? 00:41:07 even highlighted you 00:41:09 and meh, it's pretty good 00:41:11 err, look it up in logs 00:41:16 http://wire.cryto.net/logs 00:41:18 its in russia though, hence the pretty evil fee 00:41:27 ah 00:41:34 1gbit international? or domestic? 00:41:54 int. 00:42:34 joepie91, whichh log it'll be in? 00:42:37 just searched 3 can't find it 00:44:24 v 00:44:26 yes, I posted them in here yesterday 00:44:29 so, yesterdays logs 00:44:33 it's an imgur link 00:44:34 I looked mate 00:44:36 did you [off] iot? 00:44:41 loggy, pointer? 00:44:41 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-11-15#T00-44-41 00:44:50 * joepie91 sighs 00:45:01 Nov 14th. nothing 00:45:14 ah k its in the 13th 00:45:15 -,- so 2 days ago 00:45:16 right, it was before the date rollover... 00:45:26 lol k 00:45:27 found it 00:45:31 looks nice 00:45:45 that keyboard 00:45:48 looks awesome 00:49:31 probably: http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products/xl/150270/medion_erazer_x81005_gaming_toetsenbord_qwerty.jpg 00:49:35 (my key prints are slightly different) 00:49:48 bought it at the Aldi yeaaars ago 00:49:56 <3 it 00:50:02 probably; it's very nice for programming 00:50:12 keys are a bit wobbly, not stiff 00:50:28 so you can slide with your fingers from one key to the other very easily, as they give way and tilt a little 00:50:56 and they're quite clicky - they're a bit softened, but definitely not squishy 00:51:24 cool 00:51:29 how much did it cost you? 00:51:44 I bought the mouse and the keyboard at the same time, one was 25 euro and the other was 35 euro 00:51:47 I forgot which was which price 00:51:53 these keyboards are still being sold btw! 00:51:58 also 00:52:06 the mouse is a laser mouse (not optical) 00:52:23 with multiple DPI settings, side-scroll, navigation keys on the side that you DON'T accidentally click 00:52:31 and an autofire mode :3 00:53:16 nice 00:53:34 probably: http://www.medion.com/nl/prod/MEDION%C2%AE+USB+ERAZER+toetsenbord+X81005+%28qwerty%29/20053375A1 00:53:55 hmm 00:53:56 nice 00:53:57 not bad 00:53:58 OH! 00:54:01 they sell the mouse again also! 00:54:11 http://www.medion.com/nl/prod/MEDION%C2%AE+USB+gaming+muis+MD+85888/20040882A1?recommendationId=57a99dd0-4d90-11e3-a299-c86000be4267&wt_mc=nl.intern.recomm.productDetail.on-ma&wt_cc1=4&wt_cc2=20040882A1&wt_cc3=20053375A1 00:54:17 highly recommended 00:54:24 (though note that on some surfaces it becomes jittery) 00:54:32 (it's a bit -too- precise..) 00:55:02 but yeah, mouse is 400/800/1200/1600 DPI configurable 00:55:11 though DPI config only works with Windows drivers :( 00:55:13 (same for autofire) 00:56:34 mmk 00:57:17 oh, this is interesting 00:57:17 http://www.medion.com/nl/prod/MEDION%C2%AE+USB+QWERTY+gaming+toetsenbord+X81005/20047324A1?recommendationId=9ca5ae60-4d90-11e3-a299-c86000be4267&wt_mc=nl.intern.recomm.productDetail.on-ma&wt_cc1=3&wt_cc2=20047324A1&wt_cc3=20040882A1 00:57:19 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-74E5AB28.sub-70-197-1.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 00:57:22 vs 00:57:22 http://www.medion.com/nl/prod/MEDION%C2%AE+USB+ERAZER+toetsenbord+X81005+%28qwerty%29/20053375A1?recommendationId=9ca5ae60-4d90-11e3-a299-c86000be4267&wt_mc=nl.intern.recomm.productDetail.on-ma&wt_cc1=2&wt_cc2=20053375A1&wt_cc3=20040882A1 00:57:29 one is more expensive than the other 00:57:32 and article nr differ 00:57:38 but the model is the same...? 00:57:46 hmm idk 01:02:07 *** daemon (daemon@CB03FA94.D4BF3E17.2F44BC5B.IP) has joined #crytocc 01:02:09 o/ 01:02:16 ohai 01:02:18 been a while indeed :) 01:02:36 indeed I was fingering some of my old perl code (irc bot [app::artillery]) 01:02:44 and I seen cryto listed as a defined network 01:02:48 and thought JOEPIE! 01:02:49 lol 01:02:56 pft, you had to be reminded of it by code :P 01:03:03 my life is code 01:03:07 :/ 01:03:15 also, daemon, in your absence somebody came by who was interested in Perl stuff 01:03:17 but.. yeah :P 01:03:24 emphasis on 'absence' :( 01:03:35 *** Crypted (Crypted@Crypted.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:03:38 also, daemon, http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves 01:03:44 Indeed. 01:03:50 .welcome Crypted 01:03:51 im in way to much shit 01:03:51 Crypted: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 01:03:56 I just had to axe 13 projects 01:04:01 daemon: wha 01:04:13 I have 3 money making code projects on the table 01:04:17 and two major opensource ones 01:04:22 I have so much workj + my day job 01:04:25 Okay joe. 01:04:28 I feel like I am losingm y mind 01:04:43 not just in perl either 01:04:47 python/perl/erlang split 01:04:47 :o 01:04:51 *** macbeth has parted #crytocc (GAH!!) 01:04:59 Bye mac. 01:05:51 daemon: which opensource projects are you working on? 01:05:55 also, erlang ;_; 01:06:06 .bitcoin 01:06:07 1 BTC = $415.66, 1 BTC = €320.00 01:06:21 joepie91, opendungeons, PoCo-Client-MtGox 01:06:33 * joepie91 twitches 01:06:46 brb 01:06:59 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 01:07:39 joepie91, *twitches*? opensource dungeon keeper is an awesome idea ;p 01:10:52 daemon: twitch was re: mt gox 01:10:53 lol 01:11:10 opendungeons seems pretty cool 01:11:49 you should join us 01:11:54 :D 01:12:02 im coding the server for it [multiplayer] in erlang 01:12:06 using streamin json 01:12:33 erlang 01:12:33 bah 01:12:38 also 01:12:38 http://opendungeons.sourceforge.net/faq.html 01:12:42 this page is terrily horribly broken 01:14:02 its in renewal 01:14:11 the first thing I did when IWas get involved was buy them a real domain 01:14:15 and a redmine instance 01:14:23 to start getting a bit more organized 01:14:33 :P 01:14:42 :) 01:15:14 funny shit on the weekly skype meeting though 01:15:26 there is no single developer from a domain sert 01:15:37 so we have norwegian,polish,danish,english,germand & finish 01:15:41 all talking english in skype 01:15:43 its comedy 01:19:22 hehe 01:19:30 also, daemon 01:19:33 mildly amusing 01:19:40 8) 01:19:43 if you look at http://tracker.archiveteam.org/hyves-uname/# 01:19:49 graph at the bottom 01:19:56 you will see a drop every night 01:19:58 around the same time 01:19:59 right? 01:20:21 right 01:20:24 nicely rendered graph 01:20:26 with streaming data 01:20:27 we were guessing that this might've been a cronjob running at Hyves during the night, slowing stuff down 01:20:31 your work? 01:20:34 thus decreasing data influx 01:20:50 and well 01:20:57 the admin panel shows the amount of requests made 01:21:00 Back. 01:21:02 ie. how many items are being submitted 01:21:06 ye 01:21:09 and well... 01:21:09 http://owely.com/91hAJnu 01:21:18 I'm pretty sure that they have a cronjob set at 2:00 AM :) 01:21:32 (yes, the minute sorting is off, the 59 should go before the 00) 01:21:40 it looks like it 01:21:41 notice the drop in requests, heh 01:21:42 with that graph 01:21:46 especially if its an averages graph 01:21:49 smoothed over peaks 01:21:54 well yes, but it starts at -exactly- 2:00 it seems 01:22:07 so I'm guessign they have some kind of maintenance cron running 01:22:09 at 2:00 AM 01:22:12 every night 01:22:16 slowing down their shit 01:22:21 anyway 01:22:26 no, I did not make the tracker 01:22:27 nor the graphs 01:22:28 :P 01:22:32 :) 01:22:49 I -am- organizing a large part of the hyves archiving thing though 01:22:55 and wrote a bunch of processing code 01:23:00 then again 01:23:00 but the tracker is a reusable pre-made thin 01:23:03 thing * 01:23:05 for archiving projects 01:23:07 the weekly graph is a linear positive too 01:23:23 mm? 01:24:03 swap to '1w' 01:24:09 very bottom graphy 01:24:20 its a positive linear graph 01:24:38 so irrelevent of a cronjob at 2am 01:24:49 the entire thing its monitoring (which I have no idea what it is) 01:24:52 is increasing 01:25:02 so 2am for the update is not unreasonable 01:26:03 well yes 01:26:09 the entire thing its monitoring (which I have no idea what it is) 01:26:11 the incoming items 01:26:14 this is distributed archivint 01:26:16 archiving * 01:26:34 people run a script, it gets tasks from the tracker, downloads those, uploads the results, marks task as done 01:26:48 for what 01:27:11 also, daemon, http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Hyves 01:27:39 a distributed compression network for a social site? 01:27:46 wat? 01:27:49 daemon, read the wiki page... 01:28:24 I have RSI issues, having to re-type here what is already explained on the wiki page is not helpful :| 01:28:40 :| sorry 01:28:43 hey you on skype 01:29:01 technically, yes 01:29:05 in practice I have no working mic 01:29:08 and I primarily use XMPP 01:29:15 ?add 'paulgwebster' 01:29:39 Okat? 01:29:42 Okay* 01:29:53 paul.g.webster@googlemail.com 01:29:58 Crypted: I think that was aimed at me 01:30:07 daemon: is that gtalk? 01:30:09 and you got a windows machine somewhere? 01:30:12 no skype 01:30:18 right 01:30:20 and no, I do not 01:30:20 no, skype 01:30:32 me and some scandanavian guys play civ 4 01:30:34 I already added you on Skype, accept it :P 01:30:37 be awesome to have you game in 01:30:42 * joepie91 no has time 01:30:50 like I do 01:30:59 but I set aside monday or tuesday for gaming and chilling 01:31:06 otherwise I have a semi psychotic break 01:31:24 and I have no invite/contact requests yet ;p 01:32:07 daemon: http://owely.com/5MGp69 01:32:25 joepie91, try paul-g-webster 01:32:48 brb piss 01:35:04 ok 01:35:13 got that one 01:37:59 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-74E5AB28.sub-70-197-1.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 01:38:33 Okay? 01:38:55 ok that was odd to say the least. 01:39:59 I guess it was. 01:43:48 what are you guys confused about? 01:44:17 Idk. 01:45:44 why the hell my house is being creepy as fuck 01:45:47 ^,^ 01:47:06 What is it doing? 01:47:21 long story, not worth explaining 01:47:26 ill just call someone probably 01:47:27 Okay? 01:47:28 to deal with it 01:47:35 A ghost hunter? 01:47:41 idk 01:47:42 maybe 01:47:43 Lulz 01:47:43 lelelele 01:48:06 lel im not kidding though 01:48:08 i might 01:48:09 for the fuck of it 01:48:21 Lul 01:48:47 Maybe god is playing with you. Lulz 01:48:51 if only lul 01:49:21 Lul 01:49:42 ok im eigther very tired or high as fuck. 01:49:50 or both 01:49:51 idk 01:49:51 lel 01:49:54 Lul 01:49:58 my toilet seat was bouncing up and down 01:49:59 High on what exactly? 01:50:01 and making loud noise 01:50:03 leleel 01:50:08 Maybe high. 01:50:13 Sounds like it. 01:50:14 YO TOILET, NO MORE DUBSTEP KTHX 01:50:20 Lulz 01:50:25 lel 01:50:29 if ur gonna do it at least have a good beat 01:50:30 lelelelel 01:50:34 Maybe you should feed it. 01:50:36 oh god, yep. high as fuck probably 01:51:06 I think the toilet is hungry. 01:51:13 i already fed it 01:51:17 some vomit lelelel 01:52:59 brb. 01:53:06 loooool k 01:56:14 joepie91: 02:00:38 Back. 02:02:08 *** Charles (Charles@78B6D643.95108C33.5B0695F1.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:08:25 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 02:09:58 k 02:14:35 seen t0p 02:15:06 No,not lately. 02:16:10 Crypted, aww thx u always reply 02:16:12 :) 02:16:17 Yeah. 02:16:20 I reply. 02:16:30 I haven't seen t0p in a while though. 02:16:30 t0p is fending on his own. hope hes okay. 02:16:40 Do you know him personally? 02:16:51 IRL? 02:16:51 nah. 02:16:56 but i can picture him 02:17:02 Okay? 02:17:16 Picture him? 02:20:14 "imagine him" 02:20:24 i get a feel of what type of person he is 02:20:32 Okay,a little on the creepy side. 02:20:44 erm no 02:21:08 nah. im just saying he seems like a good guy :) 02:21:13 Ah. 02:21:15 Okay. 02:21:21 He's cool. 02:21:32 Crypted, u type really fast 02:21:32 whats ur wpm 02:21:48 Hell if I know. 02:21:56 I don't know,lemme check. 02:25:51 2701 WPM 02:26:18 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-74E5AB28.sub-70-197-1.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 02:27:15 dafuq 02:27:19 is that a typo? 02:27:29 No. 02:27:38 u mean 271 right? :o 02:27:41 No. 02:27:47 2710 02:27:49 Lulz 02:27:50 2701 will set u on the world records 02:28:06 I know,my copy and paste skills are beast. 02:28:13 lol okay. idk whether u r serious but good for you 02:28:18 Lul 02:28:21 c/p 02:28:28 I think my real WPM is around 50. 02:28:35 haha 02:28:35 okay thats 02:28:39 not impressive 02:28:44 I know. 02:28:44 :P 02:28:48 :-p 02:28:52 I added a nose. 02:28:56 In three seconds. 02:29:02 uh.. 02:29:16 Lul 02:29:18 What? 02:29:32 * Charles silence 02:29:43 * Crypted crickets. 02:31:17 What's yours then? 02:31:45 lemme see 02:32:00 5 mins ill go check it 02:32:00 Okay. 02:32:27 lmfao 02:32:29 Okay. 02:32:32 2710 pff 02:32:34 bullshit 02:32:56 but hey 02:33:11 i cant do that now Crypted 02:33:14 Well,if you are questioning my Copy and Paste skills,then I would like to see you do better. 02:33:15 im using my phone :P 02:33:19 I can do 283 words-per-minute lelelel 02:33:19 lul 02:33:25 keypad different from keyboard haha 02:33:39 I have one, 02:33:40 Has dial up internet. XD 02:33:43 lelllllllllll brb 02:33:57 Probably 02:34:14 probably, how fast 02:34:18 is 02:34:28 your speech 02:34:45 Down here,standard. 02:35:01 Why would you need my speech speed? 02:35:04 ha 02:35:14 nah 02:35:14 im bored 02:35:17 gah 02:35:19 just asking random questions 02:35:20 hag 02:35:21 dkd 02:35:22 oka 02:35:28 lets talk about sth else then 02:35:39 *** pzuraq has quit (Connection reset by peer) 02:35:43 Okay. 02:35:45 What then? 02:35:56 * Charles thinks 02:36:17 * Charles does not know what to talk abt 02:36:28 * Crypted Agrees. 02:36:41 PARADOX FOUND,SPELLING ERROR. 02:36:52 whut 02:36:54 * Crypted shutdown -s 1 minute. 02:37:10 .. 02:37:35 30 SECONDS REMAINING. 02:37:54 mmk. have fun! 02:37:58 see u soon 02:38:10 * Crypted SHUTTINGDOwn. 02:38:14 * Crypted shuts down. 02:38:39 * Crypted re-boot comencing 02:38:55 * Crypted booting... 02:38:56 ah. okay :) 02:38:58 * Crypted booting... 02:39:00 * Crypted booting... 02:39:06 * Crypted OS selection 02:39:16 * Crypted says: HAL OS 02:39:27 lolwhat 02:39:32 * Crypted booting into Operating HAL OS 02:39:44 * Crypted booting... 02:39:45 * Crypted booting... 02:39:48 * Crypted booting... 02:40:12 * Crypted Enter password for username:Crypted 02:40:24 lol 02:40:34 * Crypted Booted,Welcome back Crypto. 02:40:39 rypted 02:40:54 Nah,crypto was my old name. 02:41:13 It got registered before I even thought abou that. 02:41:43 So,I took the name Crypted. 02:41:48 I still prefer Crypto. 02:41:54 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-74E5AB28.sub-70-197-1.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 02:43:26 Gtg. 02:43:41 *** Crypted has quit (User quit: Page closed) 02:43:45 *** Charles has quit (Ping timeout) 02:49:41 * joepie91 sighs 02:50:08 *** Charles (Charles@150BB7A6.95108C33.5B0695F1.IP) has joined #crytocc 03:14:50 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 03:23:16 *** Charles has quit (Ping timeout) 03:26:34 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 03:27:22 *** Cryto063 (Cryto063@cryto-67AF6B55.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 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around. 12:04:34 botpie91: tell joepie91 Sometimes you can find interesting things on GitHub :) 12:04:35 norbert79: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around. 12:05:51 *** Aaron has quit (User quit: Mango IRC for iOS and OS X, http://mediaware.sk/mango) 12:06:18 *** Charles (Charles@3042AC47.95108C33.5B0695F1.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:14:33 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 12:18:37 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 12:24:40 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 12:24:57 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 13:02:38 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 13:22:01 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 14:17:05 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:23:58 .bitcoin 14:23:59 1 BTC = $425.39, 1 BTC = €333.10 14:24:07 Crazy 14:29:22 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 14:40:50 .bitcoin 14:40:52 1 BTC = $427.48, 1 BTC = €333.00 14:40:57 .bitcoin 14:40:58 1 BTC = $427.48, 1 BTC = €333.00 14:42:22 Come on :D 14:42:29 $700 please 14:42:33 you can do it 14:42:37 Dont disapoint me 14:42:50 lol 14:43:06 The value of BTC is going to increase by at least 100x over the coming years 14:44:27 a $4 billion market cap is... pocket change 14:54:30 *** Charles (Charles@3042AC47.95108C33.5B0695F1.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:06:09 lol 15:06:18 lul 15:06:22 .bitcoin++; 15:06:25 if only that worked 15:06:37 .bitcoim 15:06:42 .bitcoin 15:06:43 1 BTC = $429.47, 1 BTC = €332.00 15:06:54 WOOOO 15:06:55 $IRC->pushCommand($channel, '.bitcoin'); 15:06:58 lelelelelelelelel 15:07:04 Woooooo 15:07:04 hoooo 15:08:13 The issue with this high price is, that it can end up in a crash of the value, when many start selling it 15:08:22 then prices could drop faster, than expected 15:08:33 but let's just not talk about this :) 15:08:42 i would cash out immediately 15:08:42 I don't want to fuse a war again :D 15:09:02 Yeah, you would, but call me a financial idiot, but the rising of the Biotcoin value reminds me of 1929 15:09:14 norbert79, u had a war about btc before?:o 15:09:16 where people started to sell, so prices dropped, then more selling 15:09:29 Charles: Yeah, we had a fused discussion me and joepie91 once 15:09:52 Charles: But hey, it's not a topic what you can't discuss without interest 15:10:00 especially with one, who has interest of having it 15:10:03 so not an easy topic 15:10:12 norbert79: there is no doubt that it is going to crash, but that doesn't mean anything for its long-term value 15:10:30 lysobit: I would lie if I could say this can be predicted what would happen 15:10:33 The price of bitcoin has increased from $0.01 to $450 in 3 years. 15:10:36 lysobit: I just say: Maybe 15:10:42 lysobit, short term investment 15:10:56 It is not insane to suggest that years down the line 1 bitcoin will be worth much, much more, possibly $1 million 15:11:18 I hardly doubt it will reach that value ever 15:11:23 Maybe 10.000 15:11:39 but since it's unpredictable it's hard to use it as investment 15:11:59 at least not for long term 15:12:04 short term as i said 15:12:07 I have no doubt that it will reach, at minimum, 100x times the value it is now 15:12:29 wow 15:12:34 lets bet. 15:12:58 Charles: Sure, but investments not always are based on short term especially not for a currency with a complicated system in the background. I assume it's merely so by the fact that it's mostly used for illegal goods 15:12:59 3 yrs is long though :/ 15:13:11 Charles: Look at the €... And that's 11 years old by now :) 15:13:19 haha druggggs 15:13:26 not only 15:13:30 but included, yes 15:13:37 Charles: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/521629/20131112/bitcoin-gold-2-0-cameron-tyler-winklevoss.htm 15:13:49 Not only do they own a sizeable chunk of the 11.9 million Bitcoins currently in existence, the Winklevoss twins are in the process of creating an exchange traded fund (ETF) for the currency. "We filed an amended S-1 [to the Securities & Exchange Commission] in October, and we just still going through the process," Cameron said. 15:14:18 Although Bitcoin's value has risen from $125 to more than $370 (£78 to £232) per coin in just six weeks, leading some to fear another bubble-like boom-and-bust scenario is on the way, the twins remain confident that the virtual currency's market cap will grow to 100 times what it is today. 15:14:18 "The bull case scenario is a $400 billion market cap...the market cap is around $4bn right now," Tyler Winklevoss told CNBC. 15:14:23 oh yeah, if btc doesn't die it'll be worth a lot 15:14:23 lysobit: You see the main problem is, that only early-buy-inners have the interest while new buyers are not that lot interested 15:14:44 nah lysobit it will nvr reach a million 15:14:45 lysobit: So right now it's just too expensive for many considering it's limited use 15:14:51 thats just fking insane 15:15:13 .title http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-price-2013-11 15:15:14 lysobit: The Price Of Bitcoin Could Go To $1 Million - Business Insider 15:15:15 they gonna produce more norbert79 15:15:26 Charles: that will rise many other issues 15:15:28 Charles: you'd have said the same thing in 2008 about it reaching $450 when it was worth $0.001 15:15:35 Charles: especially from legal perspective 15:15:42 as long as there is interest, that means more exchange will be done in btc, means the price will continue to rise. 15:15:46 norbert79: you are assuming that new buyers are only interested in buying bitcoins purely for an investment 15:15:59 norbert79: when in fact, the majority actually use bitcoin as a currency to buy stuff 15:16:04 lysobit: I can't at least see no other options, as regular won't buy these... 15:16:10 like ice cream 15:16:12 lysobit: Limited to US mostly :) 15:16:15 norbert79: do 15:16:18 hold on 15:16:29 It's not limited to the US 15:16:35 china is one of the largest traders right now 15:16:36 >_> 15:16:50 and I think it's been said they're using it for money laundering, but whatever 15:16:56 doesn't matter, interest is interest 15:17:08 [15:16:05] lysobit: I can't at least see no other options, as regular won't buy these... 15:17:14 Maybe, but if you look at the prices when asked in BTC and in regular currency, then you will see also a huge difference there 15:17:22 the thing is, the price of btc has to be able to encapsulate all trade conducted within it 15:17:26 So why wasting my time with BTC then? 15:17:27 like I said, people buy bitcoins as an actual currency to _buy_ things 15:17:34 you can buy anything with bitcoin 15:17:41 Groceries? 15:17:43 yup 15:17:49 Not around my place 15:17:55 http://www.coindesk.com/groceries-bitcoin-egifter-walmart/ 15:17:57 .title 15:17:58 lysobit: Pay for groceries with bitcoin via eGifter's new Walmart giftcard 15:17:59 *** rohdint has quit (User quit: Konversation terminated!) 15:18:02 dude, just because you can't doesn't mean others can 15:18:03 Do you have a Walmart? 15:18:05 n=1 fallacy 15:18:17 Have no Walmart in a 1000 km circle around me :) 15:18:20 can't * 15:18:21 EU 15:18:21 oh dear 15:18:22 joepie91: 12:04Z tell joepie91 that https://github.com/search?q=exec+sudo+$_GET&type=Code 15:18:23 joepie91: 12:04Z tell joepie91 Sometimes you can find interesting things on GitHub :) 15:18:23 * joepie91 reads up backlog 15:18:27 buying Bitcoins isn't like investing in shares 15:18:31 it's an actual currency 15:18:33 for buying things 15:18:44 joepie91: Haha, I knew you would like it :D 15:18:53 The issue with this high price is, that it can end up in a crash of the value, when many start selling it 15:18:57 actually this price is pretty goddamn low 15:19:01 I forget now, I once ran a calculation about how much a btc would need to be worth to encapsulate all US debt 15:19:08 that's a good standard of measure, I think 15:19:18 fuck this war. brb 15:19:22 joepie91: compared to what the price is likely to be in a few years, people are going to be kicking themselves for not buying now 15:19:30 yap 15:19:34 I hardly doubt it will reach that value ever 15:19:34 Maybe 10.000 15:19:34 read: http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/the-target-value-for-bitcoin-is-not-some-50-or-100-it-is-100000-to-1000000/ 15:19:36 I'm already kicking myself 15:19:43 I told people to buy on jan1 and oct1 15:19:51 look at the price movements directly after that 15:19:51 :| 15:20:17 If you buy $10,000 of Bitcoins today, worst case scenario is that you're going to be a millionare. 15:20:18 the thing is, because bitcoin is highly divisible, one actual btc is an irrelevant quantity 15:20:35 one btc is not one dollar 15:20:43 yup 15:20:46 people fail to realise that 15:20:47 dollars are actual units of measure, you can only break it down into 100 pieces 15:20:53 cayce: Majority of people have enough issues on their own, BTC is a currency mostly for a small group of people. If you want to people buying actual BTC you must create explained and detailed videos just to raise interest. They won't go to sites to read about it, not even buying them... 15:20:53 also, norbert79, you are aware that there are literally thousands of restaurants in Europe now that you can order delivered food at with Bitcoin, through a large food delivery service accepting BC? 15:21:00 bitcoins can be broken down as far as you can calculate 15:21:09 joepie91: I am aware of none of those... 15:21:09 (I think arbitrarily limited to 8 decimals right now) 15:21:14 .................... 15:21:15 joepie91: Err, not aware I mean 15:21:21 norbert79:) no. just no. 15:21:35 norbert79: explained and detailed videos? you mean like weusecoins? or like cbtnuggets' series? or like khan academy's series? or like bitcoin blackboard? 15:21:36 people are already using btc even though they have no idea how it works 15:21:40 or... 15:21:41 they don't have to 15:21:43 that's the beauty 15:21:43 :| 15:21:48 joepie91: Yeah, for example... 15:21:58 norbert79: well, looks like that stage is already passed then 15:22:05 and I'm only mentioning the well-known high quality series 15:22:13 joepie91: Still, I don't see BTC being circulated in my daily life... 15:22:15 there's loads of individual videos on YT and wherever explaining BTW 15:22:17 there are tons of 12 year olds on youtube too 15:22:18 BTC * 15:22:19 norbert79: so? 15:22:35 norbert79:) again, just because you can't doesn't mean others can't. It's an n=1 fallacy. 15:22:40 how is your PERSONAL observation of BTC in any way relevant for any of the wider aspects of BTC whatsoever? 15:22:52 [15:22:14] joepie91: Still, I don't see BTC being circulated in my daily life... 15:22:54 joepie91: Err.. Wide? Depends on the perspective :) 15:22:56 we've got 7 billion people on this planet and half of them have internet 15:22:57 "I can't see it so it doesn't exist" stops being valid after you grow older than 10 15:23:01 at most 15:23:15 This is the reason why you should be investing in Bitcoins right now. Invest right now BEFORE BTC is circulated in daily life. 15:23:30 (though, for thousands of people it is circulated in their daily life) 15:23:35 joepie91: Becoming personal? Come on... Stop that, you can do better. 15:23:37 Many people life purely on Bitcoins 15:23:49 norbert79; no, I am trying to draw an analogy because you don't seem to get the point otherwise 15:23:50 .title http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/522205/20131114/bitcoin-austin-craig-virtual-currency-world-tour.htm 15:23:51 lysobit: Couple Completes 101-Day World Tour Entirely on Bitcoin - IBTimes UK 15:24:18 nice! 15:24:20 joepie91: Look.. Neither in Germany, or where I live I could use BTC for buying food, buying petrol or whatever for my daily life. I can't pay my bills in BTC... 15:24:21 also, norbert79, http://www.thuisbezorgd.nl/ http://www.pizza.be/ http://www.lieferservice.de/ http://www.takeaway.com/ http://www.pizza.fr/ http://www.lieferservice.at/ http://www.lieferservice.ch/ 15:24:22 there 15:24:28 dude btc is getting ahead of me, lysobit fuck 15:24:40 norbert79: I just linked you to a site that has thousands of restaurants IN GERMANY that you can order food at with BTC 15:24:44 wtf are you going on about 15:24:49 seriously :| 15:24:53 joepie91: I said buying food on location 15:24:54 norbert79: if a couple completed a 101 day tour entirely on Bitcoin, you can certainy do all of those things in Germany with bitcoin 15:25:04 joepie91: I either cook or go to restaurants 15:25:05 ... what? 15:25:11 norbert79; okay, so let me get this right 15:25:16 we have whole long-standing btc companies whose only purpose is POS software for businesses who want to accept btc 15:25:34 like, bam 15:25:53 every day last week another article came out about a major retailer or restaurant chain in the US accepting it 15:25:55 norbert79; because you can only order food using BTC on the internet and not on location (supposedly; this is not even true), Bitcoin has no future and/or has no adoption and/or is not used as a transactional currency and/or the exchange rate cannot get higher than it gets currently? 15:26:04 is this seriously what you are arguing right now? 15:26:11 because if not, I have no fucking idea what point you're trying to make 15:26:49 The chicken-and-egg situation with Bitcoins is already being, and has been overcome 15:27:06 We're going to see an exponential domino effect of Bitcoin adaptation 15:27:23 There is a demand for vendors who accept Bitcoins 15:27:24 joepie91: Very simple thing... How do you imagine using your BTC account for buying food in a regular store? You ened to replace all cashier machines, or at least expanding them. Why would a regular store see any option for that investment? There is a life outside the Internet too, and many still prefer that above doing ALL over the Internet. 15:27:54 norbert79: 15:27:55 .title http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24756030 15:27:56 lysobit: BBC News - World's first Bitcoin ATM opens - and other tech news 15:28:30 The café that opened the ATM machine is planning to open thousands more, too 15:28:37 *** jimirus (jimirus@jimirus.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:28:43 "Why would a regular store see any option for that investment?" 15:28:45 norbert79: A. there does not seem to be a relation AT ALL between what you just said and what you said earlier 15:28:52 B. tills are replaced -all the time- 15:28:56 Because there is a demand for vendors that accept Bitcoins 15:29:03 that is why it is an option for investment 15:29:06 C. there are already prototypes of verifone firmware SUPPORTING BTC ON REGULAR TERMINALS 15:29:27 norbert79, go read: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Casascius_Bitcoin_POS_system 15:29:30 this has been around for, what? 2 years? 15:29:56 these are regular card terminals used in many many stores already 15:30:09 wqell, call me skeptical but I still no see, that this will become wide-spread accepted in all layers of our lives, but let'"s get back to this topic in five years... let's not forget, the Euro is also quite new, only 11 years old. 15:30:15 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 15:30:28 *** cayce has quit (Ping timeout) 15:30:54 norbert79: you don't seem to have any actual -arguments- to support this claim; it appears to primarily be "it's new so I don't think it'll ever become real just because it's new and small" 15:31:19 look, why do I want to invest into it aside from hoping that the price will stil rising in a year? 15:31:30 if you have to see "I don't see how [...] will become popular" instead of giving arguments why it wouldn't (when there are clear arguments why it would), that is already a red flag 15:31:42 norbert79: I don't care about investing 15:31:55 I care about the defeatist attitude people are carrying all the time 15:31:57 it gets very annoying 15:32:07 HURR DURR NEW AND NOT GOVERNMENT-SANCTIONED SO IT'LL FAIL 15:32:12 Look, but if you aren't, then how would you expect regular people wanting it? :) 15:32:22 And let's stay inside EU 15:32:27 norbert79: what does investment have to do with "regular people wanting it"? 15:32:30 and Bitcoin doesn't stay inside EU 15:32:32 that's kinda the point 15:32:37 exactly... 15:32:45 lol 15:32:50 related but off topic 15:32:51 .title http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-happens-if-you-criticize-bitcoin-2013-11 15:32:52 lysobit: Here's What Happens If You Criticize Bitcoin - Business Insider 15:33:07 oh 15:33:07 god 15:33:09 look at this 15:33:10 "The other day I argued that Bitcoins were fundamentally valueless. 15:33:10 I won't repeat the argument here, but I thought it would be worth pointing out what kind of reaction I got. 15:33:10 Max Keiser said it would be good if I committed suicide in public." 15:33:10 norbert79: how about you try to construct a -proper- valid and detailed argument as to what problems you think Bitcoin has, and why it would have it 15:33:14 http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/527cfeebeab8eaad4c737f43-611-380/screen%20shot%202013-11-08%20at%2010.09.50%20am.jpg 15:33:36 instead of just throwing out short statements and letting me guess what you mean with them 15:34:10 joepie91: Look, I only see zealots and regulars.. Zealots are obsessed, regulars are just not tursting it as it's all digital and it's price rocketing like crazy. Especially during the times when you all hear how many systems got cracked... So why would you expect interest from regular people? 15:34:52 lysobit: aside from Max Keiser having a tendency to be a fucking moron at times, that's quite some twisting of underlying message there 15:35:09 norbert79: that is not a coherent, detailed and valid argument 15:35:15 norbert79: thousands of cafés, small business implementing bitcoin is not interest from regular people? 15:35:32 norbert79: if it fits in one IRC message, it is not a coherent, detailed and valid argument 15:35:34 lysobit: None I am aware of. Really. 15:35:38 wat 15:35:47 just wat 15:35:59 joepie91: You sir are a zealot, sorry to say it this way, and also impossible to even make you think why I would never be able paying my bills in BTC :) 15:36:17 or my mortgage 15:36:22 which I would be happy to get rid of 15:36:23 norbert79: THEN FUCKING EXPLAIN IT INSTEAD OF THROWING RANDOM SUBJECTIVE OBSERVATIONS AND IMPLYING BIGGER CAUSALITY 15:36:27 jesus fucking christ 15:36:34 and just to make sure that you cannot miss it 15:36:37 norbert79: how about you try to construct a -proper- valid and detailed argument as to what problems you think Bitcoin has, and why it would have it 15:36:38 norbert79: how about you try to construct a -proper- valid and detailed argument as to what problems you think Bitcoin has, and why it would have it 15:36:38 norbert79: how about you try to construct a -proper- valid and detailed argument as to what problems you think Bitcoin has, and why it would have it 15:36:39 go do this 15:36:41 right now 15:36:42 seriously 15:36:45 this is just getting retarded 15:36:46 joepie91: Walk around normal people, who don't hang around the internet 24/7, then you will understand. 15:36:49 well... this is heated 15:36:58 joepie91: And no need to get emotional. 15:37:00 norbert79: in other words, you don't actually have any arguments 15:37:12 norbert79: I am not getting emotional, I am getting very frustrated because you're acting like an idiot 15:37:15 norbert79: in the 1990s the Internet was only used by people who are not "normal" 15:37:28 norbert79: I'm sure you'd have said the same thing about the Internet 15:37:37 norbert79: I am perfectly willing to have a constructive discussion, PROVIDED YOU COME WITH PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED ARGUMENTS. 15:37:39 norbert79: and would have LOLed at banks offering transactions via the internet 15:37:44 you're just throwing out rhetoric endlessly now 15:37:46 lysobit: exactly, but consider the price too... With BTC you have to pay the exchange rates, with Internet you had at least cheap options... 15:37:52 mixed in with ridicule and personal attacks 15:37:55 I mean, really, wtf 15:37:58 you know better than this 15:38:00 ""With BTC you have to pay the exchange rates" 15:38:06 not if you buy your stuff in actual bitcoins 15:38:15 and as I've showed, it's possible to buy anything in bitcoin 15:38:19 and as I've said 15:38:27 Bitcoin adaptation is increasing exponentially 15:38:34 also, norbert79, all your previous statements are completely full of shit 15:38:36 with ATM machines,e tc 15:38:37 etc* 15:38:54 lysobit: Machine.. Just one. And that article said it was in place in Canada. 15:38:56 "regulars aren't trusting it because it's digital" is bullshit - there are many (documented!) examples of this not being the case 15:39:13 "cracked systems" are not any more of a problem in Bitcoin than they are for anything else INCLUDING E-BANKING 15:39:16 norbert79: joepie91 has just linked you to handful of business that accept bitcoin IN-STORE 15:39:21 interest from regular people exists 15:39:30 norbert79: you don't need an ATM machine to transfer bitcoins, it's just one way 15:39:33 lysobit: Hmm, not really, I checked a few, Internet only... 15:39:34 there is a notable growth recently in small businesses and cafes accepting Bitcoin 15:39:41 norbert79: http://usebitcoins.info/ 15:39:41 which is all nicely documented on coinmap and in various news articles 15:39:51 in ohter words 15:39:52 DO 15:39:52 norbert79: please explore http://usebitcoins.info/ 15:39:53 YOUR 15:39:54 FUCKING 15:39:55 RESEARCH 15:39:56 lysobit: Ok, that is like more an info, thank you let's see 15:40:02 jesus fuck 15:40:15 joepie91: Ah, yes, and I am personal. And do you really expect rising interest with such an attitude? :) 15:40:23 http://usebitcoins.info/ lists 1270 businesses that use BTC 15:40:24 * joepie91 facepalms 15:40:56 norbert79; do you really expect me to be nice and friendly to you when you are being willfully ignorant? 15:41:13 newsflash, BTC adoption does not rely on how I respond to you 15:41:24 my response DOES rely on how you respond to me 15:41:29 joepie91: Don't forget, I am a geek, and open to many things, regular people are even more closed, compared to me 15:41:36 norbert79: no, they really aren't 15:41:43 joepie91: You would be surprised... 15:41:59 norbert79: oh come on, don't even bother with those "YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED" statements 15:42:05 I have discussions about BTC with random people on a daily fucking basis 15:42:10 I see less ignorance re: BTC in the conversation with those random people 15:42:14 than that you have expressed in the past 15 minutes 15:42:18 so, wtf 15:42:45 at least most people -try- to construct a proper argument 15:42:58 instead of just endlessly repeating rhetoric like you're talking to a brick wall 15:43:04 :| 15:43:06 reminds me of when I had an argument with someone 6 years ago, who believed that computers would never evolve from where they were now, and hard drives would never surpass 500gb, touchscreen will never be popular, etc :P 15:43:30 lysobit: pretty sure we had 1TB drives 6 years ago? 15:43:40 probably, but the argumenent was along those lings 15:43:41 enterprise drives, but still 15:43:43 argument* 15:43:49 lines* 15:43:58 hmm, I see exactly only 4 sites listed for my country, one is a well known asshole, a photographer, an apartment and the bitcoin site for my country. 15:44:06 let's see Germany 15:44:13 norbert79: well, 3 years ago, there were NONE! 15:44:24 Agreed 15:45:05 Bitcoin has grown an a shocking rate since it was first created, 2009 15:45:09 at* 15:45:59 norbert79: sure looks like there's no Bitcoin acceptance in Germany! http://i.imgur.com/SmoFWcJ.jpg 15:46:10 :| 15:46:58 I wouldn't also define it as wide-spread either... 15:47:16 * joepie91 facepalms 15:47:25 Although that Darmstadt is interesting, let me see 15:48:02 hmm, weird, are we using the same site? I am still at http://usebitcoins.info/ 15:48:08 No hit for Darmstadt 15:48:08 norbert79; gosh, I wonder why there's not a store on every corner of every street, accepting this 4 year old currency with an until recently unclear regulatory framework, that works completely differently from any other currency currently commonly in use 15:48:14 no idea why that would be the case! 15:48:28 joepie91: Look, shall I mention the Euro again? 15:48:34 norbert79: 15:48:35 there is a notable growth recently in small businesses and cafes accepting Bitcoin 15:48:35 which is all nicely documented on coinmap and in various news articles 15:48:39 I told you 15:48:42 coinmap 15:48:49 this tells me how well you read what I say 15:49:06 It doesn't matter 15:49:15 you basically flood me with insults and info, you can't expect to be able read them all 15:49:19 norbert79; ah, I'm sure you can compare it to a government-endorsed and -enforced currency that is used for tax payments and wholesale replaces a previous currency 15:49:24 I'm sure that's a fair comparison 15:49:38 to a new currency with 0 official backing that started from scratch 15:49:39 The fact that 1270 business have adapted a 4-year old cryptocurrency is the context here 15:49:40 and did not replace something else 15:49:48 norbert79: actually, I can 15:49:59 but sxee that's my exact point here: It's volunteary... Just show me one person, who lives on regular pays feeling like buying these if they are happy if they can pay bills monthly? 15:50:08 norbert79: at the point where you get flooded with so much info that it takes time to read... THEN TAKE THE FUCKING TIME TO READ 15:50:09 instead of arguing on 15:50:11 The fact that venture capitalists and investors have invested $20m+ in Bitcoins alone is the context 15:50:12 as if it wasn't said 15:50:19 STOP fucking typing and read what people say 15:50:22 The fact that venture capitalists and investors have invested $20m+ in Bitcoins this year alone is the context* 15:50:31 otherwise you're just wasting your own and other peoples time 15:50:37 Hell, a Bitcoin _client_ received a $600k investment this year 15:50:37 by reiterating stuff that was already addressed 15:50:50 joepie91: What are you talking about? I just look around my place and see how on how such a low wage they live on... 15:51:03 ........................................... 15:51:11 joepie91: BTC costs 333 Euros... for some it's a monthly wage 15:51:19 The fact that a 4 year-old cryptocurrency isn't wide-spread does not matter 15:51:22 norbert79: you're not actually making any effort to read, are you? 15:51:27 lysobit, could you please stop talking for a moment 15:51:31 because I really want to get this across 15:51:34 just a minute 15:51:35 The fact that a 4 year-old cryptocurrency isn't wide-spread is not relevant to how wide-spread it will be 8 years down the line 15:51:46 *** cayce (cayce@cayce.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:52:09 you basically flood me with insults and info, you can't expect to be able read them all 15:52:10 norbert79: actually, I can 15:52:10 norbert79: at the point where you get flooded with so much info that it takes time to read... THEN TAKE THE FUCKING TIME TO READ 15:52:10 instead of arguing on 15:52:10 as if it wasn't said 15:52:10 STOP fucking typing and read what people say 15:52:10 otherwise you're just wasting your own and other peoples time 15:52:10 by reiterating stuff that was already addressed 15:52:11 loggy, pointer? 15:52:11 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-11-15#T15-52-11 15:52:27 ok, I had enough joepie91 15:52:29 okay so I was probably talking to myself then lol 15:52:34 You isnult me constantly 15:52:43 * joepie91 sighs 15:52:53 norbert79: have you stopped to consider WHY I am getting so pissed off? 15:52:54 I will stop this right now. BTC is expensive, and I will never be interested in it. Period. 15:53:06 joepie91: You started shouting at me and becoming personal. 15:53:11 joepie91: Not me 15:53:11 I mean, you're not even CONSIDERING that you might be doing something wrong here 15:53:13 you just keep on areguing 15:53:15 and arguing 15:53:15 and arguing 15:53:16 even now 15:53:23 norbert79: let me say it more explicitly 15:53:25 Do you understand now why I called you a zealot? 15:53:37 that's a personal insult 15:53:48 Whether he's a zealot or not is irrelevant to the validity of his arguments 15:53:59 And being a zealot is not a valid argument against Bitcoins 15:54:06 norbert79: I get pissed off and start what you consider "insulting" because you are completely non-responsive to what I say, and it's as if I am talking to a brick wall, and this is the last hope I have of getting through to you and actually getting you to READ what I say 15:54:07 is it clear now? 15:54:14 Look, show me one person, who will ever want to buy something digital to pay with which costs almost as much as his/her monthly pay 15:54:16 ? 15:54:19 and you go on arguing 15:54:20 again 15:54:24 and the price is just rising! 15:54:46 norbert79; at this point you're just rapid-firing questions, statements and challenges - most of them incorrect - and ignoring anything anybody says 15:54:46 norbert79:) drop it, until you review the discussion here. 15:54:59 you really don't seem interested in discussing this 15:55:04 just in displaying your own thoughts/opinions 15:55:25 NP: [Lindi Ortega - I'm No Elvis Presley] [Little Red Boots] [950kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6-3jane 15:55:30 I just don't understand how you would expect a wide-spread interest at such high prices.. Really... Maybe you earn tousands of euros monthly, but many don't! 15:55:37 nope 15:55:37 stop it 15:55:54 [15:54:14] Look, show me one person, who will ever want to buy something digital to pay with which costs almost as much as his/her monthly pay | How is one person paying for something very expensive with BTC proof that it will be wide-spread? The aim is for BTC to adapted for microtransactions not just massive transactions 15:56:06 norbert79: WHY ARE YOU IGNORING WHAT PEOPLE SAY. 15:56:10 jesus christ. 15:56:41 lysobit: How wopuld you expect that without any actual interest? Actually people using it? Even regular currencies suffer from this problem... 15:56:44 norbert79, go read: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths 15:57:00 norbert79: define "acual interests" 15:57:16 lysobit: Make a person go and buy 1 BTC which costs 333 Euro 15:57:27 I'd say there's pretty solid interest right now, it's got a 5.5bn$ market cap 15:57:38 why 1btc? why not 1/3 btc? 15:57:39 okay, observation: norbert79 is not interested in any kind of information that may show that his thoughts/opinions are incorrect or inaccurate, and is only interested in arguing his own points, bailing out on a topic when it looks like he may be incorrect 15:57:47 that, or cayce and I are on /ignore 15:57:50 which would be even more concerning 15:57:51 maybe 15:57:57 norbert79: Okay. Did you know that I actually _bought_ Bitcoins 2 years ago to pay for web hosting? 15:58:06 I've run into this before with him :/ 15:58:08 joepie91: You are not, but I gave up the discussion with you, sorry 15:58:19 norbert79:) that's because you're not discussing 15:58:22 lysobit: Do you have a family? Can you pay your bills? 15:58:28 norbert79: Do you think that all these vendors that accept Bitcoins have 0 people actually buying their stuff with Bitcoins? 15:58:29 norbert79; yes, and you know -why- you gave up the discussion? because it wasn't a discussion 15:58:36 norbert79: a discussion is a two-way street 15:58:44 it involves reading what the other participant(s) say 15:58:45 and responding to it 15:58:57 joepie91: Calling me an idiot (even not saying it) isn't really making me want to talk to you, sorry 15:59:05 not just blurting out your own thoughts and opinions on the matter and ignoring anything anybody says that isn't to your liking 15:59:10 joepie91: The discussion was constantly on how stupid I am 15:59:14 *** GHOSTnew has quit (User quit: Quitte) 15:59:15 no, it wasn't 15:59:18 joepie91: So stop analyzing me, ok :) 15:59:20 norbert79: you defined "actual interest" as "Make a person go and buy 1 BTC which costs 333 Euro". Now you are trying to define it as "paying your bills"? 15:59:23 and norbert79, even now you are ignoring what cayce said 15:59:28 even though he never made such statements/insults 15:59:32 so clearly the insults aren't the cause 15:59:35 lysobit: No, I am just asking. 15:59:40 lysobit: Do you have a family? 15:59:43 norbert79: I'm 18 15:59:49 norbert79: and I'm a student 15:59:52 I see 15:59:54 Well, I am not 16:00:01 And this is relevant to Bitcoins how exactly? 16:00:02 I am 34 and raising two 16:00:10 norbert79: even IF the insults were your real reason to ignore what I say - and I'm pretty sure it's just an after-the-fact justification - that doesn't explain why you are completely ignoring cayce 16:00:10 paying bills 16:00:17 earning just enough 16:00:18 and are still doing so 16:00:20 norbert79:) and you can pay for groceries in bitcoin :) 16:00:23 still just a bit above the average 16:00:25 despite me having been pointing it out for a minute or so now 16:00:27 [15:59:20] norbert79: you defined "actual interest" as "Make a person go and buy 1 BTC which costs 333 Euro". 16:00:31 cayce: Not around my place 16:00:39 So where does bills play into your definition, norbert79? 16:00:50 Or having a family? 16:00:59 I don't see where this is going 16:01:04 norbert79: you are also constantly moving the goalposts in your discussion 16:01:07 and bringing in unrelated topics 16:01:08 norbert79:) do you live in the woods? what's a relative location? Do you only have like a small family grocer? 16:01:10 lysobit: I have no money for something which I can't really use for helping my or my familys life 16:01:11 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:01:16 cayce: I think I'm going to make a fallacy bingo card 16:01:22 it's like bullshit bingo, except with fallacies 16:01:24 cayce: No, I live in Hungary if you must actually know 16:01:34 joepie91:) you should make a deck, a la cards against humanity 16:01:39 cayce: And I often go to Germany too 16:01:47 cayce: nah, the point would be crossing off all fallacies committed 16:01:53 I'd probably be shouting "bingo" right about now 16:02:14 actually, let me grab the reference card 16:02:21 norbert79:) ahh, okay. Well, for sure germany supports much bitcoin usage. It's most certainly usable in hungary too if you can convert into $localcurrency 16:02:32 strawman, check 16:02:41 [16:01:11] lysobit: I have no money for something which I can't really use for helping my or my familys life | 1) I just linked you to an article showing how an couple made a 101-day trip around the world, paying for rent and fuel and _all_ their bills with Bitcoins. 2) Just because YOU can't pay your bills with it now, does not mean that you will never be able to. I'm not sure if 16:02:42 you realise this, but time is linear! 16:02:42 false cause, likely check 16:02:43 cayce: Well, the shop in Damrmstadt is only for buying pot... 16:02:58 appeal to emotion, that would be the family argument kind of 16:02:59 lysobit: Don't forget, the current price is just rising... 16:03:06 lysobit: Which is expected 16:03:07 ad hominem, check 16:03:11 lysobit: Right? 16:03:15 to quoque, check 16:03:22 norbert79: please answer my points 16:03:28 What points? 16:03:29 personal incredulity, check 16:03:31 norbert79: instead of asking me further questions 16:03:38 [16:02:42] [16:01:11] lysobit: I have no money for something which I can't really use for helping my or my familys life | 1) I just linked you to an article showing how an couple made a 101-day trip around the world, paying for rent and fuel and _all_ their bills with Bitcoins. 2) Just because YOU can't pay your bills with it now, does not mean that you will never be able 16:03:38 to. I'm not sure if you realise this, but time is linear! 16:03:42 special pleading, check 16:03:52 loaded question, not sure 16:04:02 burden of proof, implied 16:04:05 lysobit: You didn't seem to be reading me either... I raise two children. 16:04:13 * cayce shouts bingo! to get the prize 16:04:15 bandwagon, check 16:04:21 lysobit: What do you think people earn monthly around here? 16:04:25 appeal to popularity, check 16:04:28 norbert79: the fact that you have two children is relevant to the argument "will bitcoin ever be wide-spread?" how? 16:04:36 genetic, half-check 16:04:41 You're simply not making an actual argumenet 16:04:43 argument* 16:04:43 black or white, check 16:04:47 you're just making generic statements 16:04:48 lysobit: Like being able to at least buying ANY 16:04:49 about your life 16:04:50 norbert79:) income is not relevant, access is relevant. You can always buy .1 btc if that's what you can afford. 16:05:00 anecdotal, definitely check 16:05:01 cayce: But why would I want to buy even .1? 16:05:06 texas sharpshooter, check 16:05:11 BINGO! 16:05:19 cayce: also I am not even sure that's possible, or wasn't when I alst checked 16:05:22 cayce, for reference, this is a useful list: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ 16:05:25 cayce: Minimum was 1 BTC 16:05:25 norbert79:) I don't know, if .1 is around your income level you can buy all the stuff you normally do 16:05:32 wat? 16:05:40 norbert79: minimum where? 16:06:01 norbert79: your response to my two points (1 and 2) about bitcoin have been "lysobit: You didn't seem to be reading me either... I raise two children.". This doesn't tell me anything. Form a coherent argument about why my two points are invalid, feel free to use your children as an example, but actually reference my two points in your arguments 16:06:14 If I still had a btc I'd just send you some for lulz. 20 bucks worth isn't gonna break my back. 16:06:18 lysobit: Do you have a family on your own? 16:06:37 norbert79: Don't ask me a question. Give me a retort. 16:06:38 you're just creating personal reasons why you can't 16:06:42 [16:02:42] [16:01:11] lysobit: I have no money for something which I can't really use for helping my or my familys life | 1) I just linked you to an article showing how an couple made a 101-day trip around the world, paying for rent and fuel and _all_ their bills with Bitcoins. 2) Just because YOU can't pay your bills with it now, does not mean that you will never be able 16:06:43 to. I'm not sure if you realise this, but time is linear! 16:06:46 make a giant hill for yourself and yes you'll never do it 16:07:03 lysobit: And what if I am not interested in making a trip? :) 16:07:05 Asking me if I have a family is not a retort 16:07:17 * cayce backflips 16:07:33 lysobit: Seriously, when you have a family you have different priorities... 16:07:33 oh joepie91 thanks for link, sorry 16:07:53 cayce: I think this is the first time I've been able to check or half-check over half of the fallacies on the reference card in a single discussion 16:08:04 joepie91:) impressive 16:08:11 norbert79: Do I really have to spell it out for you? The fact that "a couple made a 101-day trip around the world, paying for rent and fuel and _all_ their bills with Bitcoins" means that you can also do this locally, without making a trip. and just because YOU can't pay your bills with it now, does not mean that you will never be able to. I'm not sure if you realise this, but time is linear! 16:08:12 joepie91:) one for the record books 16:08:25 cayce: yes :| 16:08:26 lysobit: Also you didn't share in which country... 16:08:34 cayce; also, for reference: http://howtobuybitcoins.info/hu.html 16:08:39 norbert79: you're not actually giving any reasons why you wouldn't be ABLE TO pay your bills with in the future 16:08:45 with it* 16:08:50 I'm probably going to be doing something else in a bit since this discussion is going nowhere 16:08:58 lysobit: Oh well you are probably not at all aware how things go on around here :) 16:09:00 so having a list of hungary-supporting exchanges handy might be useful 16:09:01 norbert79: the country is a relevant. it s a proof-of-concept that it can be done 16:09:09 "lysobit: Oh well you are probably not at all aware how things go on around here :)" 16:09:10 oh ok 16:09:14 lysobit: WHere do you live again? 16:09:14 you win 16:09:19 I just read your mind 16:09:22 this question also still hasn't been answered: 16:09:24 cayce: Minimum was 1 BTC 16:09:24 norbert79: minimum where? 16:09:30 and now I am aware of all the things that can on around there 16:09:31 :) 16:09:54 lysobit: Ahha, so becoming sarcastic will answer my questions... :) 16:09:57 right 16:10:06 norbert79: asking me questions is not a valid argument 16:10:17 norbert79: stop asking me questions and give me an actual reason 16:10:19 lysobit: Why not answering then? 16:10:22 [16:08:59] lysobit: Oh well you are probably not at all aware how things go on around here :) 16:10:26 lysobit: I'm sure that's a fallacy but it's not in my reference card... 16:10:33 this reference card is insufficient 16:10:33 :| 16:10:41 joepie91:) that's a solid list :D (sorry, was pouring another coffee... I'm out of beans for french press :((( enjoying last cups today) 16:11:09 [16:08:59] lysobit: Oh well you are probably not at all aware how things go on around here :) < Stop making generic statements like this or "Do you have a family?" and give me a reason why the actual concept of Bitcoin will not be adapted for bill-paying 16:11:17 lysobit: Ok, this is pointless... Really... You live in your own world, but not interested anything outside. I ASKED you about your living place because you seem not being able at all imaging, that life can be way different than where you live... 16:11:29 norbert79: just get to the point 16:11:42 lysobit: I am trying but you are refusing to answer :) 16:11:45 norbert79:) you're just making reasons why you can't. All you need is one reason why you can. 16:11:57 cayce: But why do I want to? :) 16:12:03 cayce: Seriously... 16:12:05 norbert79: just get to the point and tell me WHY your way of life is not compatible with Bitcoins. My life is irrelevant. 16:12:15 norbert79:) Sounds as though you do not want to... so why is it still being discussed? 16:12:45 cayce: Because I showed at least some interest, but not anymore you see. And people won't either especially if prices rocket high sky... :) 16:12:48 Thsi simple 16:12:51 norbert79: asking me questions about my life is irrelevant to your argument 16:12:53 This 16:13:08 norbert79: just tell me about your case and why its not compatible with bitcoins 16:13:17 norbert79: if you have a genuine interest in BTC, a bunch of assholes in an IRC channel won't make that interest go away 16:13:23 lysobit: Tell em where you live and I will 16:13:27 sigh 16:13:28 ok 16:13:30 I life in the UK 16:13:30 lysobit: Quit pro quo 16:13:32 norbert79:) I suspect it will be picked up heavily in africa. many do not make a lot of money there, but that does not restrict them from buying .005 btc and spending it on things... 16:13:32 live* 16:13:33 Ok 16:13:34 cayce, y u no XMPP 16:13:36 norbert79:) same for you 16:13:41 now can you tell me why Bitcoins won't work for you, norbert79? 16:13:48 joepie91:) sorry, tired of people yakking at me on it :P 16:13:50 What do you pay for .. 16:13:52 lets say... 16:14:03 Ok, food 16:14:07 *** Riddler (Riddler@5FD71087.11DC8350.1A26DB37.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:14:13 I pay for food, yup. 16:14:13 cayce: but :( 16:14:13 hello? 16:14:19 .welcome Riddler 16:14:20 Riddler: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 16:14:21 lysobit: But how much? 16:14:21 joepie91:) yes yes on it 16:14:31 norbert79: £4 per meal 16:14:36 lysobit! 16:14:37 lysobit: I see... 16:14:39 I pay 30usd per week for food 16:14:42 is that alot? 16:14:46 a lot * 16:14:51 norbert79: go on. 16:15:06 lysobit: Ok, let me compare things different. Let's say take your netto pay monthly. How much petrol could you buy from that money after taxes? 16:15:18 lysobit: We use this comparsion a lot elsewhere 16:15:21 I don't buy petrol 16:15:23 I use public transport 16:15:30 lysobit: But let's take that as an example 16:15:36 I pay £40/m per month for transport 16:15:44 lysobit: You are aware how much octaine 95 costs in UK, right? 16:15:50 norbert79: I can't take that as an example because I don't use petrol 16:15:51 norbert79: no 16:16:11 lysobit: Well, since you were kind enough to feed me with links, I will do the same 16:16:15 Again, I really don't see where this is going. 16:16:20 lysobit: Just wait up 16:16:37 Please tell me how all this means that Bitcoin won't be wide-spread in the future. 16:16:43 or can't be 16:16:44 ladies and gents, watch as a straw man is constructed over in the uk 16:17:11 lysobit: http://www.whatprice.co.uk/petrol-prices/recent-petrol-prices.html - here 16:17:17 1.3 Pounds as I see 16:17:24 per litre, right? 16:17:27 norbert79: okay, and? 16:17:46 now take your netto pay ( the one after taxes) and divide by that 16:17:54 and I am curious about your result 16:17:56 you can do maths, something around 30 litres of petrol 16:18:04 (little less I think) 16:18:10 I will share my average for a year too 16:18:11 what purpose does this exercise serve 16:18:16 jsut do it 16:18:26 for a year? 16:18:29 why a year, why not a month 16:18:38 why bring incompatible sizes 16:18:39 Month then if it's more valuable to you 16:18:43 montht hen 16:18:45 then 16:18:47 you brought a month in 16:18:48 not me 16:18:55 Yes, you are right, month then 16:19:30 I am done, what is your result? 16:20:49 locally... I get 10 gallons 16:20:58 I took litres 16:21:02 but I don't even ride public transit, I own only a bike 16:21:08 you could only buy 10 gallons of petrol monthly? 16:21:12 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219108.0 16:21:13 from your pay?? 16:21:13 37.54 litres 16:21:28 I'm using lyso's pay, 40/mo 16:21:38 this discussion doesn't apply to me 16:21:57 looks like there's no interest in BTC in Hungary at all 16:21:57 they had to change venues for the Budapest meetup 16:21:57 because there were so many signups they couldn't accomodate otherwise 16:21:57 *** joepie91 has quit (User quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 16:21:59 I meant income divided by fuel price (1 litre octaine 95) 16:22:01 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:22:01 I don't use any gasoline powered transport (not even public transit), and I don't get a monthly income 16:22:16 loggy, pointer? 16:22:16 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2013-11-15#T16-22-16 16:22:17 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219108.0 16:22:17 none of this applies to me 16:22:17 looks like there's no interest in BTC in Hungary at all 16:22:17 they had to change venues for the Budapest meetup 16:22:19 because there were so many signups they couldn't accomodate otherwise 16:22:30 I am actually waiting for lysobit 16:22:33 hahaha 16:22:37 joepie91:) <3 16:22:42 As I assume he has a real job and has a valid income 16:22:48 that reminds me of the slovak hacker conference they just had 16:22:58 [16:17:47] now take your netto pay ( the one after taxes) and divide by that | I don't have a "netto" pay. I'm a student and I live on loans. 90% of my money is actually in my Bitcoin wallet 16:23:03 I saw it cause violet blue was there, she did coverage 16:23:07 it was AWESOME 16:23:35 or this... http://bitkoins.com/discussion/13999/mark-zuckerberg-talks-about-bitcoin-in-hungary-/p1 16:23:36 good idea 16:23:41 cause it doesn't make money in the bank 16:23:42 lol 16:23:57 lysobit: I see, well, I also live on loans in some way... But you see ok, let's just take an average German... IT, monthly pay is 3500 € 16:24:08 monthly income for my country is in avergae 16:24:09 hang on 16:24:12 sounds like lots of litres 16:24:22 why do litres of gas matter :/ 16:24:23 right 16:24:24 that's brutto 16:24:36 cayce: It's a fair comparsion as fuel prices differ 16:24:39 I still don't see where this is going so please get to the point 16:24:43 and you are not revealing your real pay this way 16:24:58 oh so you're attempting to create a poor man's exchange rate 16:25:01 compared to the cheesburger calculation fuel makes more sense 16:25:03 could just say that 16:25:09 norbert79: it doesn't 16:25:14 fuel taxation differs massively 16:25:16 across countries 16:25:28 we tax the shit out of gas in my state, specifically my state 16:25:36 highest fuel costs in the nation iirc 16:25:43 france and NL are roughly equally wealthy on average, yet there is an insane difference in fuel price due to taxation differences 16:25:45 taxes are very high in my place too, higher than over there 16:25:53 norbert79: so don't use fuel 16:26:00 but something that does not carry additional tax 16:26:19 (which is probably why the cheeseburger index exists) 16:26:20 .bitcoin 16:26:21 1 BTC = $429.50, 1 BTC = €337.00 16:26:25 why not just say "this is my monthly income, this is my monthly expenditures, here's what I have left over for btc"? 16:26:45 seems easier >_> 16:26:52 cheesburger is taxed too.. VAT, price for the logistics, roadway prices, etc 16:27:09 (in Luxembourg, gas is even cheaper... even though wealthier) 16:27:10 I can haz cheesburger? 16:27:15 norbert79: yes, but that is a generic tax 16:27:18 that applies to all goods 16:27:26 differs country by country 16:27:27 thus representative for purchasing power 16:27:35 irrelevant 16:27:37 Question Gentlemen. Why has anonymous chosen not to help or provide support for the people in the Philippians?????? 16:27:56 a generic tax is much more representative of cost of living in a country than resource-specific tax 16:28:01 Ok, I give up... Right, it is irrelevant that I pay the highest VAT above Europe... right 16:28:04 27% 16:28:12 for everything 16:28:30 *** Riddler (Riddler@5FD71087.11DC8350.1A26DB37.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:28:47 norbert79: yes, because it's for everything 16:28:58 thus representative for your overall cost of living 16:29:00 Germany uses a 3 level VAT 16:29:05 Hungary uses 1 16:29:12 irrelevant 16:29:13 riight 16:29:19 sorry I'll rephrase my question joepie91 16:29:22 straw man 16:29:24 * joepie91 sighs 16:29:37 norbert79: we are now straying SO far off the topic that it's not even clear what all this has to do with BTC anymore 16:29:41 just make your point already 16:29:49 instead of bringing in 3461346 environment factors 16:29:53 I have been waiting 30m for a point 16:29:56 not found one yet 16:30:03 Riddler: the question appears to violate the channel rules 16:30:05 read the channel rules 16:30:08 they are in the topic 16:30:09 Not interested anymore, like you aren't interested in my opinion. You are happy with BTC, and everyone else is an idiot.. That's your point 16:30:20 Ok, bye.. I get back to my irrelavant life 16:30:23 now you're personally attacking? 16:30:24 to my irrelevant family 16:30:28 way to go out with a bang 16:30:29 *** norbert79 has parted #crytocc (None) 16:30:57 well then 16:31:17 I think that is what could be classified as a 'ragequit' 16:31:35 oh did he leave I keep forgetting I have join/part turned off 16:31:36 lol 16:31:47 yes, he did 16:32:15 ILY JP 16:32:33 But im a internet junkie 16:33:03 Why is their few support for the people in the Philippians by the Redcross? 16:33:21 O_O 16:33:23 is that okay to ask Joepie? 16:33:27 Isnt redcross for the homeless? 16:33:53 is philipeans homless? 16:34:12 yes 16:34:19 redcross is disaster relief 16:34:26 ^ 16:34:28 and they are helping 16:34:43 Riddler: you can ask that, but this probably isn't the most relevant channel still 16:34:44 :P 16:34:56 And misleading 16:35:29 "In order to et the correct answer, you must ask the correct question!" 16:35:53 I didnt want to retrive channel Modes 16:35:56 -.- 16:36:07 * DrWhat slaps #crytocc 16:36:43 * lysobit slaps DrWhat around a bit with a large trout 16:36:58 * cayce slaps DrWhat around with a samsung magnet 16:38:03 * DrWhat slaps cayce around a bit with a large AnacønÐa 16:38:36 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:39:15 DrWhat: I feel like you're confusing red cross and salvation army 16:39:27 http://www.redcross.org.uk/ 16:39:28 Nope 16:39:38 hm. 16:40:18 brb 16:40:44 * DrWhat is away "You hate this don't you." • Log: on • Pager: off 16:42:21 must be better at sneaking irl 16:42:26 *** Riddler has parted #crytocc () 16:43:38 felt like a guy trying to commit a mass shooting spree when i was trying to sneak into a place without authorization, seeking for a printer that worked 16:44:12 haha 16:44:19 also, complex, congratulations 16:44:31 (on your new entry on an NSA watchlist, keywords "mass shooting spree") 16:44:38 :P 16:45:27 * cayce grins 16:47:14 really? 16:47:32 btw, i figured out that with a simplesimple caesar cipher you get through all that kind of shit 16:48:30 everyone paranoid enough can get through such things 16:52:04 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 16:53:23 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-74E5AB28.sub-70-197-1.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 16:53:31 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 16:54:08 btw i didnt know IRC was surveillanced, but i assume the channel maybe is? 16:54:32 complex: everything is monitored.. 16:57:25 if they're pulling data from google's inter-datacenter private fiber links, you can bet irc is 16:57:50 mostly because it's fucking easy (since this chan is logged, natch) 17:02:42 soon: btc 17:05:04 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-92C166E1.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 17:05:17 *** Zekka (zekka@cryto-BC5C29FC.arizona.edu) has joined #crytocc 17:06:25 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 17:11:09 *** dpk (r00t@6618A0E5.766FF4AB.3C91FAEE.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:22:12 oh look joepie91 op'd himself 17:22:16 lelelel 17:33:13 bitcoin is probably tracked as well 17:34:12 probably: ping 17:39:38 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:49:37 complex: ? 17:53:16 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 17:53:51 I totally PRISM'd Bitcoin 17:54:08 I have a database of every Bitcoin transaction ever 17:55:03 shit 17:55:14 somebody's gonna find out about the hookers and blo I paid for with btc 18:03:06 lol 18:03:10 *** Riddler (Riddler@5FD71087.11DC8350.1A26DB37.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:03:12 hello 18:03:15 "PRISM'D" 18:03:17 lol 18:05:37 "Jeremy Hammond not allowed upon release from jail to associate w/ any hacking-related or civil disobedience-related organization" (https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/401399050127560704) 18:05:41 actuakky 18:05:44 actually * 18:05:47 we have a tweetbot here 18:05:48 .tw 18:05:49 joepie91: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id 18:05:52 gosh thanks 18:06:00 .tw https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/401399050127560704 18:06:01 Jeremy Hammond not allowed upon release from jail to associate w/ any hacking-related or civil disobedience-related organization (@kgosztola) 18:06:26 read that and think it over for a second 18:07:54 *** grows (asdf@cryto-70E29873.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 18:09:14 he's banned from activism? wat 18:09:24 *** probably has quit (Ping timeout) 18:09:30 cayce: yes, exactly 18:09:31 but, if he went to jail, that makes sense 18:09:36 no, it doesn't 18:09:37 we strip people of their rights when you go to jail 18:09:43 is he in US? 18:09:48 that it's common practice doesn't mean it makes sense 18:09:49 yes 18:10:09 yeah, if you go to jail for felony, you pretty nearly lose citizenship at this point 18:10:34 can't vote, can't own weapons, can't get loans from govt (for school) 18:10:57 can't get free healthcare from govt for being poor 18:10:57 etc 18:11:47 which exchange should I move my graph to? it's been on mtgox, but maybe coinbase or bitstamp is better 18:11:56 mtgoxusd => what 18:11:57 jerry hammond.. sentenced to 10 years 18:12:00 seriously 18:12:41 I dunno what he did, but we put people in jail longer for stupid shit than pedophiles or murderers 18:12:48 ^ 18:12:58 *** Riddler has quit (Ping timeout) 18:13:02 stupid shit aka stuff that should be handled as a civil case with fines 18:13:05 He gave WikiLeaks Stratfor 18:13:13 oh, yeah okay 18:13:21 Note the Judge's husband in this case is a Stratfor client 18:13:24 there's a bunch of stuff we jail for that should be fined 18:13:25 :/ 18:13:41 I want all drug convictions to be fines 18:13:50 cayce: s/pedophiles/child abusers/ 18:13:51 (until we're ready to start legalizing) 18:14:16 joepie91:) like the one guy said, we punish people who keep video longer than those doing it 18:14:27 SUCCESSSSSSSSSSSSS 18:14:29 http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/encrypt-all-the-worlds-web-traffic-internet-architects-propose/ 18:14:31 .title 18:14:32 iceTwy: Internet architects propose encrypting all the world’s Web traffic | Ars Technica 18:14:38 well yeah 18:14:42 is that the ietf policy statement? 18:14:45 or who 18:14:48 cayce: while correct, that does not mean "pedophiels" are prosecuted, just those who possess cp 18:14:51 who may or may not be pedophiles 18:14:54 but also may or may not wear glasses 18:15:00 and they're also not prosecuted for wearing glasses 18:15:01 :P 18:15:24 that's honestly the only positive point in the whole pedophilia scare; people aren't being locked up -yet- for sexual orientation alone 18:15:36 though it's not far off 18:15:37 yeah but the people who make the news here are usually "guy had 70 gigs of cp" not "young boy who sent dick pic to girl, girls parents didn't approve" though that happens to 18:15:53 cayce: yes, but that is something very different from "pedophiles" 18:16:01 not legally here 18:16:10 which is a group that doubtlessly encompasses people that have never touched cp nor abused a kid 18:16:16 yet still have the orientation 18:16:30 well we even lump in shit like people wanking in public 18:16:34 which is silly, but also silly 18:16:34 lol 18:17:02 cayce: yes, that is an IETF policy statement 18:18:05 iceTwy:) encrypting specifically or just late coverage on the other one where they said privacy by design is now the idea 18:18:08 *** grows is now known as probably 18:18:16 * cayce lazy 18:19:01 oh fucking 18:19:04 dude don't be dense 18:19:08 it's just coverage of http/2 18:19:17 *** Riddler_ (Riddler@5FD71087.11DC8350.1A26DB37.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:19:40 http/2 is based on spdy/4, so of course it's end to end encrypted 18:19:57 and there was a mail on HN about how encryption would work 18:20:13 they're basically proposing all encrypted, only, which is problematic with current UI for certificates 18:20:18 but a UI problem is not a standard problem 18:20:31 hello 18:20:48 uis can be rewritten, standards are a bit more complicated 18:20:58 amended, but... 18:22:51 *** Riddler_ has parted #crytocc () 18:22:55 *** Riddler_ (Riddler@5FD71087.11DC8350.1A26DB37.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:23:57 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 18:24:08 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 18:24:23 cayce: though the guys who are commenting the article are making a point 18:24:27 on the* 18:24:35 fuck, you read comments? 18:24:36 get out 18:24:45 obviously if you do rely on SSL/TLS for encrypting, then.. lol 18:24:53 cayce: comments on Ars are usually constructive 18:28:10 it's perfectly reasonable to rely on tls for encryption, that's the fucking point 18:28:39 to rely on it versus a nation state based actor, however, would require some changes to how certificates are handled 18:28:50 yes 18:28:55 but until then, it's not reliable 18:29:47 browser side pinning helps 18:29:58 or something like convergence being more widely deployed 18:32:00 *** dpk has quit (User quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 18:33:15 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-74E5AB28.sub-70-197-1.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 18:39:42 TLS is fine 18:39:49 *** probably has quit (Ping timeout) 18:39:53 *** probably (asdf@cryto-54326F0E.ipredator.se) has joined #crytocc 18:41:24 the CA model is not 18:41:24 ^ 18:41:24 with a couple more ciphers, tls is great 18:41:24 1.2+ is very well designed and works well... CA's on the other hand... 18:49:27 joepie91 you know what you could make 18:49:36 A Teamspeak Musicbot 18:49:53 "standalone" 18:50:39 lulz my report in physics was not accepted 18:51:11 i wrote 'percent' instead of %, i forgot to write the unit of the first term in an interval, etc. 18:51:32 "the report has potential to become much better" 18:51:56 you got declined for putting more effort into writing a word and not its asermecric symbol 18:52:32 no i got declined because my stupid labpartner asks and appears like a monkey 18:53:42 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 18:58:37 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:59:29 *** Pandora (Pandora@cryto-97741A65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 19:05:12 Jesse? 19:10:49 DrWhat: asermecric? 19:10:54 I have no idea what word that's meant to be 19:10:55 :p 19:10:58 also 19:11:00 http://www.enricozini.org/2011/cazzeggio/python-gzip/ 19:15:19 *** DrWhat has quit (Input/output error) 19:19:47 *** Riddler_ has quit (Ping timeout) 19:22:25 *** Pandora has quit (Ping timeout) 19:39:27 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 20:03:24 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:11:50 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 20:31:01 .bitcoin 20:31:02 1 BTC = $420.75, 1 BTC = €325.02 20:31:28 starting to crash/stabilize 20:34:50 *** Pandora (Pandora@cryto-97741A65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 20:35:29 interesting way of wording it :) 20:35:57 *** Pandora has quit (User quit: Leaving) 20:41:29 *** monod (~pmpf@cryto-7D8D233F.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #crytocc 20:41:38 ohai monod 20:41:39 ! 20:41:46 hey there! 20:41:56 I jump in sometimes... 20:42:23 jump back* in 20:42:25 *** Ari has quit (Connection reset by peer) 20:42:39 *** achus (achus@cryto-32D7065E.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 20:50:24 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 21:04:44 how can it be possible that if you delete fb's cookies you're still not logged out? 21:08:16 *** Pandora (Pandora@cryto-9B07CF8C.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 21:10:44 monod: http://mashable.com/2011/09/02/supercookies-internet-privacy/ 21:11:24 oh argh, reading now. 21:23:09 at least that would be my guess 21:23:35 might be. 21:23:54 I missed your quick links though, lol :D 21:42:06 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 21:42:21 cya guys! going to bed! 21:42:27 *** monod has quit (User quit: Quit) 21:56:01 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 22:00:26 *** Cryto779 (Cryto779@C04BA5DD.EAE98360.FD1FC46C.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:00:33 *** Pandora has quit (User quit: Leaving) 22:01:17 *** Cryto779 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 22:03:18 *** DEEPendence_ (DEEPendenc@C04BA5DD.EAE98360.FD1FC46C.IP) has joined #crytocc 22:07:34 ragazi 22:10:43 hey there DEEPendence_ 22:10:48 .welcome DEEPendence_ 22:10:49 DEEPendence_: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 22:12:01 without calculator, find the answer to 67 x 82 22:12:02 anyone? 22:19:31 134 + 5360 :) 22:19:54 now i must rest to recover 22:23:02 joepie91, you there? 22:24:13 *** MK_FG has quit (Ping timeout) 22:24:21 hello 22:29:54 *** MK_FG (MK_FG@MKFG-91968.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:33:01 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 22:42:12 probably: kind of 22:42:20 67 * 82 22:42:55 ((2 * 3 * 82) * 10) + (7 * 82) 22:43:08 this is pretty basic :| 22:43:29 for easier calc, (100 * 82) - (33 * 82) 22:44:04 you'll only have to do 3 * 82 then, and then add that result itself to itself but multiplied by ten 22:44:16 do people not learn calculator-less calculations nowadays? :| 23:17:21 *** DEEPendence_ has quit (User quit: Page closed) 23:17:57 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:18:02 who is jeremy hammond? 23:18:27 didnt know he was part of lulzsec 23:20:39 *** Crypted (Crypted@Crypted.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:27:46 Herro. 23:53:25 oh my god 23:53:33 GNU screen is the worst piece of shit I have seen 23:53:36 in an EXTREMELY long time 23:54:29 btw joepie91 23:54:34 I prefer calculating it the following way: 23:54:56 (6 * 10 + 7) * (8 * 10 + 2) 23:56:01 = 460 + 120 + 640 + 14 23:56:30 = 1100 + 120 + 14 23:56:38 = 1234 23:56:55 which is false 23:56:58 how nice