00:05:04 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-F2D71A17.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 00:06:25 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 00:18:09 complex: I'm ashamed of myself; never learned to play chess 00:20:55 happens that one dude in norway is fighting to win the world championship in chess at the moment. he got remis with gary kasparov when he was 13 and all the biggest newspapers are streaming his matches live now. its very cool that norway as a nation such a big interest in a genius and child prodigy 00:26:54 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 00:28:10 *** pzuraq has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:28:32 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 00:34:25 .bitcoin 00:34:26 1 BTC = $438.00, 1 BTC = €344.88 00:34:41 holy fuck why didn't I invest when it was $100 each 00:35:00 why didn't I invest when it was $5 each 00:35:09 you guys think they'll keep going up? 00:35:39 who knows at this point 00:35:45 just enjoy the roller coaster ride 00:36:12 If I had any Bitcoins I would :/ I'm just watching 00:36:23 and it seems like a lot of fun 00:39:00 pzuraq: http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/the-target-value-for-bitcoin-is-not-some-50-or-100-it-is-100000-to-1000000/ 00:40:49 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 00:41:00 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 00:49:31 makes sense, as the number of bitcoins is stable and they are infinitely subdivisible 00:51:19 I think Imma boy a couple bitcoins 00:51:22 buy* 00:52:08 joepie91: You read this? https://medium.com/ladybits-on-medium/d23a0d2f7697 00:52:15 amazing article 01:03:25 mm.. 01:07:18 the term "context collapse" is just brilliant to me 01:07:50 it explains SO much of the 21st century's issues 02:13:13 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Disconnecting from server) 02:24:41 *** mikaa has quit (Ping timeout) 02:25:00 *** mikaa (mikaa@mikaa.cryto.net) has joined #crytocc 02:34:30 *** Thor (numz@cryto-B3488B81.dfri.se) has joined #crytocc 02:35:11 http://cryto.net/destructomatch/ 02:35:20 long-standing game over bug finally fixed :D 02:46:03 pzuraq:) :D I love quinn's writings :> 02:46:44 j'ai retourné :D 02:59:01 joepie91:) you should shame dynadot >_> 02:59:10 cayce: oh, absolutely 03:01:18 I'm waiting to see which jurisdiction makes themselves most adversarial with US law so I can buy a domain there and pay for email 03:01:19 heh 03:05:46 cayce: This is the first I've read from her, but it is refreshingly insughtful 03:05:53 insightful* 03:06:13 ahh, I've been reading her stuff when I can find it for a couple years now 03:06:30 always fun, and usually smart (not smart like intelligent, smart like on-point) 03:09:38 indeed. Also pretty intelligent in this case, this article blew my mind. 03:09:59 Also, I'm getting into Twitter wore finally, starting to see how it workss 03:10:15 think it's my favorite social network now 03:10:25 :) 03:10:34 "Welcome to the flock" ;) 03:12:03 it's great 03:12:09 public text messaging 03:12:20 yup 03:12:32 I love it because it's almost flat, socially 03:12:53 I can yell at idiots and dignitaries in the same tweet 03:13:11 (he he heh, not necessarily different people) 03:13:45 at first I didn't see the utility, but as time goes on it makes more and more sense. There's a lot less danger in giving out a public text address than a phone number, so to speak, because people realize that their twitter account is being watched by a lot more people 03:14:16 da 03:14:32 I give out a nick, an email, and my twitter handle on my business cards. nothing else 03:14:36 sure, some people troll behind the veil of anonymity, but it's still less likely to provoke harassment than publishing a phone number on 4chan 03:14:54 good shit, think I'll start doing that :) 03:15:06 well, website, email, twitter handle 03:15:12 (the nick most associated with my legal name, to be exact) 03:15:20 yeah 03:15:21 same 03:15:24 website is in your email 03:15:24 :P 03:15:34 ah good point 03:15:40 (cleverly disguised) 03:15:40 this handle is basically my internet presence 03:15:47 search it on google, all me 03:15:51 yep 03:16:24 I need a more anon nick, planning on decoupling it from myself by connecting to services with it only through a VPN 03:16:34 * cayce nods 03:16:52 I just use random names wherever I want a little separation 03:17:00 it's not real separation, and I don't enforce it, but it's one more hurdle 03:17:25 it's an idiot barrier, not a hurdle to a real adversary 03:17:35 lol 03:17:36 truth 03:17:50 I would like a way to be completely anon though 03:17:56 * cayce nods 03:18:14 that's hard, given the way people/sites can store so much info about your computer now 03:18:25 when I get a new pc in a year or three I'm going to have some shit set up for that 03:18:49 get a VPN client, then set it up so that some scripts run whenever you connect through the VPN 03:18:57 but by that time hopefully I'll have an income 03:19:03 if I have an income, I'll be meshing 03:19:04 :) 03:19:38 scripts would work connect all your clients/services to alternative accounts that are only used through the VPN 03:19:53 * cayce nods 03:19:58 so twitter app switches accounts, IRC, jabber, etc 03:20:20 if you could do a bit more, such as switch primary browser, that would be ideal 03:20:32 * cayce nods 03:20:33 use firefox instead of chrome ;) 03:20:52 lmao :) 03:21:00 I switch between em as it is 03:22:30 now here's a question 03:23:02 can someone tell you are connecting to a given machine when you connect to a VPN? Likewise for SSH and SFTP? 03:23:14 hmm? 03:23:24 If so they can link you to that machine, then link your alternate persona to you 03:23:24 like, can your vpn session be seen? 03:23:40 if there are billing details involved, the answer will always be yes 03:23:58 moreso can data be seen traveling between you and that server? 03:24:25 well, it's traffic, so yes 03:24:34 hmm :/ 03:24:42 optimistically it can't be decrypted, but the traffic can be seen 03:24:56 that's a fatal flaw in the whole setup 03:24:57 I'd want to check on openvpn about which ciphers it can use 03:25:10 cause iirc it used to only support the ones with flaws 03:25:45 yeah, i'm assuming the data can't be decrypted. If it can we are in a whole different ballpark. 03:25:54 And I'm sure much of it can. 03:26:13 then yeah, just like any packet flow, a sufficiently knowledgeable adversary can see it (see: intelligence agencies) 03:26:59 ok, so how could you disconnect yourself from the alternate you (from now on, persona) as much as possible? 03:27:11 one idea is to spread blame 03:27:17 optimistically assuming it can't be decrypted, packets can always be seen travelling from pc to vpn terminator, and out. just like tor, if the traffic isn't encrypted going out it can be seen by anyone 03:27:48 building a persona is a different thing, but that's what you'd do 03:27:56 also, tor is good there 03:28:03 I forget, I think you tor into the vpn 03:28:14 (so the vpn tunnel runs over tor) 03:28:29 how does tor work? 03:28:35 ha ha go read the docs 03:29:02 fair unough :p 03:29:10 maybe that's the piece I'm missing 03:29:23 it's a big long thing, but essentially your shit is encrypted inside tor (still vulnerable at the exit node), and what you get is source disattribution 03:29:56 which is to say, your exit node probably can't tell where you are (assuming data stream is encrypted) 03:30:17 mmk 03:30:47 this helps, again, but I feel it still can be traceable if one were to create a full alternate persona 03:30:49 (the encryption keeps them from knowing WHO you are. it's no less important here) 03:30:55 probably 03:31:04 if your threat model is the NSA, you're probably boned for that 03:31:06 so it would be best to instead have many different micropersona's 03:31:13 one for each service 03:31:16 lol 03:31:29 but if you have a different threat model, you would mitigate the issues it presents 03:31:30 lol 03:31:41 (important: have a threat model) 03:32:26 my threat model is whatever the greatest possible threat is :P so it's the NSA, not because I particularly want to hide from them so much as because I want to find an impermeable way to remain anonymous 03:32:36 cause I like solving hard problems :) 03:33:59 bon chance, then lol 03:34:15 that problem is why people are building internet alternatives right now 03:34:16 lol 03:34:26 current system doesn't do that, and wasn't ever meant to 03:39:22 true I guess 03:39:34 still it's nice to push the limit 03:39:56 what is are the most promising alternatives that are being proposed? 03:43:21 I dunno, the only one I'm involved with at all is cjdns. stuff within tor is pretty good, but tor itself suffers from some centralization problems 03:54:52 ooh 03:54:56 interesting 03:55:25 IPv6 has had me very worried as it will take away a huge amount of anonymity 03:59:08 it doesn't really change anonymity 03:59:13 there's none in ipv4, so it can't get worse 03:59:34 but it does make it much easier to build distributed systems (no NAT, so no ICE just to fucking connect) 04:00:09 well, hypothetically in IPv4 if you are connected to subnet you can claim it was someone else on the network, or that someone connected and used your network without your knowledge 04:00:23 with IPv6, each machine would have a unique identity 04:00:42 well sure, but that doesn't actually stand up in court in most jurisdictions 04:00:48 ah 04:00:51 and yes, indeed 04:00:57 the difference between those two scenarios is NAT 04:01:00 which is satan 04:01:18 lol 04:01:25 that and ipv4 has run out of addresses already 04:01:30 so, uh, next version GO 04:01:54 but anyway, the way you gain anonymity is through routing hoops like tor 04:01:57 technically infinite addresses with subnetting 04:01:59 go read about it, if you haven't 04:02:00 but yeah 04:02:15 it's no silver bullet, of course 04:02:20 but every little bit helps 04:02:53 mm 04:03:04 TOR is definitely geed 04:03:10 but it's still leaves a trail 04:03:19 not gonna get away from that 04:03:29 not on the current net anyways 04:03:50 rewrite tho protocol, *maybe* you could make it part of the inherent structure 04:03:52 the* 04:04:02 you'd have to redo the hardware at this point 04:04:07 whole fuckin' thing 04:04:15 cause a different protocol is going to use ip 04:04:30 tbh I'm kinda in the opposite camp though 04:04:32 it just won't be udp or tcp, but it'll still run over ip something, at some level 04:04:51 with cjdns and similar, you can make local nets 04:04:58 that is, I think all interaction in the public sphere should be transparent 04:05:07 I saw articles about people making them in greece, there's a complete alternet there with 2500 dau 04:05:12 pretty much anything leaving the house 04:05:38 meh, I'd like to push those lines back a bit 04:05:43 house is too close 04:05:45 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 04:05:52 house is pretty small, and easily ceded 04:05:55 mmk, maybe further than that 04:06:05 cause like 04:06:13 but my point is complete transparency of information 04:06:18 for ALL people 04:06:26 govts and corps included 04:06:28 I'm not one of the people who needs anonymity. I'm the most privileged class on earth, so I'mma use that to make sure people who need help get it 04:06:46 so I support none of this real names bullshit, source attribution bullshit, etc 04:06:49 none of it is needed 04:07:03 most of it actively harms people 04:07:10 currently, yes 04:07:16 but what if it were a two way street 04:07:38 then, no one can use personal information as leverage, because it's already public 04:07:50 I would accept that end only in a case where societies were prepared to actually make it a two way street 04:07:55 I can't see that outcome happening 04:07:58 agreed 04:08:02 so I'll not even pursue it 04:08:05 at least not currently 04:08:26 well, I wanted to discuss it because I'm not sure if that is the best option or not 04:08:27 but just as it is, transsexual people who haven't come out to families, for eg, are in danger 04:08:41 situations like that would have to be completely resolved before I'd even consider militant transparency 04:09:16 we can't even apply "human rights" reasonably most of the time, so that's a long fucking ways off yet 04:09:18 oh absolutely 04:09:34 I'm talking like Star Trek future 04:09:52 well that's basically what they do 04:09:53 we all love each other and nobody beats people for being different 04:10:16 Star Trek? 04:10:25 I'm more pragmatic than idealist, so I don't often look at those 04:10:27 yes 04:10:45 my frame is always "what is feasible in my lifetime" 04:10:51 ah 04:10:56 "what can I improve for my children?" 04:11:14 which is important, because it keeps you not stuck in this stupid "what am I doing tomorrow" shit that fucks everyone 04:11:26 lol 04:11:43 well, I have been tending to think that way moreso in the past few years, but I still like to discuss the ideal 04:11:46 like, I have a 5 and 10 year plan 04:12:25 because I think that eventually in our lifetime or not, we will be able to approach the ideal. 04:13:09 So to figure out what to do in this lifetime, I ask "what can I do that will change the world now, AND bring us closer to the/one of the ideal outcomes" 04:13:15 I don't aspire to an ideal, I aspire to a pareto optimized reality 04:13:41 which can be achieved via incremental change 04:14:02 small changes help, but thousands of small changes in many areas help more 04:14:13 I would say that my definition of "ideal" is similar to Pareto optimization 04:14:20 apply harm reduction methods to making the world better 04:14:36 I would argue there is the potential for false peaks though 04:14:38 and optimize first steps to be least effort for highest gain 04:15:31 that way you get larger effects at the front 04:15:38 cayce: We should discuss this more, liking this convo 04:15:42 gotta run though 04:15:43 yus 04:15:45 same here 04:15:47 I want ice cream 04:15:50 and it's 1.5 miles away 04:15:56 * cayce bike bike bike 04:15:59 good luck 04:16:05 da you too 04:16:07 later 04:17:00 *** Thor has quit (Input/output error) 04:25:10 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 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BTC = €379.62 12:01:57 it reached $500 on mt gox 12:13:07 *** Charles has quit (Ping timeout) 12:14:21 *** Charles (Charles@58DFB7E.95108C33.5B0695F1.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:18:16 \o/ 12:19:33 Or maybe /o\ 12:20:22 Probably more bad than good comes of such insanely fast growth 12:20:59 (assuming price is directly corellated with perceived legitimacy and usage) 12:22:11 The market capital increased from $4b to $5b in ~1 day! 12:22:13 https://blockchain.info/charts/market-cap 12:24:37 *** Charles has quit (User quit: Mango IRC for iOS and OS X, http://mediaware.sk/mango) 12:24:53 *** Charles_ (Charles@58DFB7E.95108C33.5B0695F1.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:25:10 *** Charles_ has quit (User quit: Mango IRC for iOS and OS X, http://mediaware.sk/mango) 12:25:31 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:30:13 hurry up and crash so I can buy more Bitcoins! :P 12:31:19 You greedy capitalist swine! 12:32:51 And they probably blow all that growth on Satoshi Dice anyway 12:33:14 yeah CMON CRASHH 12:33:28 i wish it wld dip to 300 12:33:38 :( too hopeful 12:34:08 Who knows, who knows 12:34:51 .title http://falkvinge.net/2013/03/06/the-target-value-for-bitcoin-is-not-some-50-or-100-it-is-100000-to-1000000/ 12:34:53 lysobit: The Target Value For Bitcoin Is Not Some $50 Or $100. It Is $100,000 To $1,000,000. - Falkvinge on Infopolicy 12:34:53 Iirc last time it skyrocketed I advised DrWhat to take mob money for great profits 12:35:00 That doesn't look right 12:35:05 Clearly he should've listened to great advice (tm) 12:35:14 If Bitcoin reaches $1m the market cap would be $22m 12:35:19 If Bitcoin reaches $1m the market cap would be $22 trillion * 12:35:23 (and it crashed like on the next day) 12:35:35 *** pzuraq has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:35:52 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 12:35:57 lol 12:36:18 22 trillion is like world's count of legit fiat moneys or something? 12:36:33 Anyway, it's still possible if Bitcoin becomes truly mainstream 12:36:41 *** probably has quit (Client exited) 12:36:42 $22 trillion is only twice the size of the US economy 12:36:46 *** probably (asdf@cryto-5A768E90.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 12:36:53 Oh, not that lot then, I guess 12:37:03 well, 1.5 times the size* 12:37:26 If that ever happens, then that marks the fall of the American empire 12:38:07 Oh noes, we'll have to find someone else to make fun of 12:38:14 "My prediction of a mainstream breakthrough around the year 2019 remains, and it still depends on getting mainstream usability; a target market cap may be reached about a decade after that happens, as a technology typically takes ten years from mainstream breakthrough to maturity." 12:38:54 I call bullshit on "technology typically takes ten years from mainstream breakthrough to maturity" 12:39:06 It very much depends on what kind of tech 12:39:18 And a lot of other factors, really 12:39:27 Nevertheless, if that prediction is true I will have $25m by the age of 34 12:39:42 but I somewhat doubt this 12:39:48 it seems to surreal 12:39:50 too* 12:39:53 Yeah, you'll be able to afford like 3 cheezburgers 12:40:06 Huzzah! 12:40:22 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Ping timeout) 12:42:02 "The total size of the transactional currency market is hard to estimate, but has been pegged at about $60 trillion (the amount of money in circulation worldwide). " 12:42:08 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@cryto-D74E7F4D.slact.net) has joined #crytocc 12:42:56 Wank wank wank 12:43:08 Go do something awesome already 12:43:08 lol 12:43:29 I am doing something awesome 12:51:06 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 12:51:16 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 12:52:26 *** daemon has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:52:37 *** daemon (daemon@CB03FA94.D4BF3E17.2F44BC5B.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:10:47 *** fr0z3n has quit (Input/output error) 13:11:06 *** fr0z3n (fr0z3n@cryto-D181503A.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 13:19:51 *** Charles has quit (User quit: Mango IRC for iOS and OS X, http://mediaware.sk/mango) 13:19:51 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:25:51 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 13:40:15 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 13:48:53 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:53:52 *** Charles has quit (Ping timeout) 14:20:10 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:25:53 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 14:26:39 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:58:23 *** Charles has parted #crytocc (None) 15:16:06 *** lysobit has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** probably has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** stanone has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** jimirus has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** connor has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** lblissett has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** staticsafe has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** joepie91 has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** daemon has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** pzuraq has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** cayce has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** Sonic has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** Sue has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** captainobvious has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** foolex has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** truetravesty has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** SpaghettiCode has quit (haless.cryto.net nexus.cryto.net) 15:16:06 *** d0wn has quit (Input/output error) 15:16:06 *** niveus has quit (Input/output error) 15:16:06 *** Asad has quit (Input/output error) 15:16:06 *** vld has quit (Input/output error) 15:16:06 *** ^Xires has quit (Input/output error) 15:16:06 *** escape has quit (Input/output error) 15:16:23 *** d0wn|off (d0wn_blog@cryto-256AD0BA.static.lu) has joined #crytocc 15:16:42 *** d0wn|off is now known as d0wn 15:16:57 *** MKFG (MK_FG@D8F8B70C.2AA32F40.3B131C16.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:17:10 *** IR602 (root@cryto-E0B662A7.abu.se.net) has joined #crytocc 15:17:27 *** Asad (Asad@cryto-87BB564D.hopped.co.uk) has joined #crytocc 15:17:41 *** zxcvbnm has quit (Ping timeout) 15:17:41 *** IR601 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:17:41 *** tintin has quit (Ping timeout) 15:17:41 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 15:17:41 *** MK_FG has quit (Ping timeout) 15:17:41 *** DrWhat has quit (Ping timeout) 15:17:41 *** IR602 is now known as IR601 15:17:41 *** MKFG is now known as MK_FG 15:18:44 *** niveus (niveus@cryto-53CDDE0F.servers.zerigo.net) has joined #crytocc 15:19:56 *** zxcvbnm (zxcvbnm@9F88BA40.33FD1BC3.D4256504.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:31:43 .. ? 15:31:48 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Disconnecting from server) 15:31:52 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 15:32:03 all hell broke loose on this server 15:32:06 damn 15:32:14 MK_FG isn't even opped anymore! 15:32:25 Yay! 15:32:33 FREEEEDOOOM!!!! 15:32:35 * iceTwy wrecks havoc in da channel 15:32:41 in other news 15:32:44 things are looking really good 15:33:06 currently setting up an arch linux repo with Bitcoin & Litecoin clients 15:33:18 and LTS Linux kernel with grsecurity & PaX patches 15:33:30 to be used for completely offline cold storage 15:36:40 grsec is teh awesomest 15:38:03 *** tintin (tintin@3DD1BC63.5145288.A27E456C.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** vld (vld@vld.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** escape (tor@AA590F93.362B7402.283603DB.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** daemon (daemon@CB03FA94.D4BF3E17.2F44BC5B.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** probably (asdf@cryto-5A768E90.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** stanone (Grep@stanone.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** cayce (cayce@cayce.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** jimirus (jimirus@jimirus.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** connor (c@BA2D26D0.339A30FF.B40044C0.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** Sonic (Mcloven@cryto-9F42E372.static.internode.on.net) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** lblissett (lblissett@cryto-B07B90B6.tor-exit.calyxinstitute.org) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** Sue (sue@cryto-AC0C3F6A.hardestyhosting.com) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** lysobit (musalbas@localhost) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** staticsafe (ss@staticsafe.py) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** SpaghettiCode (pasta@code.bonanza) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** truetravesty (truetraves@7ABB88F7.2C566207.79E6D716.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:38:03 *** captainobvious (groente@cryto-4DA48F8F.puscii.nl) has joined #crytocc 15:38:29 MK_FG: yeah 15:38:40 MK_FG: seriously, Arch makes everything less time-consuming 15:38:42 AUR packages 15:38:44 <3 15:39:05 all I've got to do is make my own repo with necessary packages (already done), then build a Live CD with the packages I want 15:39:08 using archiso 15:39:10 how is that not convenient and cool 15:40:09 No objections there 15:40:14 Carry on, sir 15:44:12 *** GHOSTnew has quit (Input/output error) 15:47:29 *** DrWhat (Snake@DrWhat.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:47:30 http://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/862209-post36.html 15:47:32 .title 15:47:33 DrWhat: UnKnoWnCheaTs - Multiplayer Game Hacks and Cheats - View Single Post - [Question] Bitcoin Donations 15:47:43 joepie91 ^ 15:47:47 Am i right? 15:47:54 anything i need to change/correct 15:48:18 *** GHOSTnew (GHOSTnew@GHOSTnew.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:49:28 DrWhat: that is an incredibly shitty font size 15:49:59 I actually had to zoom two notches to be able to read it comfortably, and I have pretty good eyesight 15:50:25 also, DrWhat, not sure what you mean with "civilian currency", might be the wrong word there 15:51:09 aside from that, your post isn't as well-written as it could've been :P 15:51:21 thats in design 15:51:22 :) 15:51:22 point 4 for example isn't answered very convincingly 15:51:26 like 15:51:34 you make a statement that fits into your understanding of BTC 15:51:59 but to somebody reading it without knowledge of BTC - without the knowledge you base that statement on - it reads like gibberish 15:52:12 (facedesk) 15:52:14 even if your statement(s) are technically correct, you're not effectively transfering the message 15:52:59 They aint points 15:53:03 they are replies 15:53:08 to points 15:53:14 that is an awfully familiar forum theme, by the way 15:53:21 DrWhat: no, they're counterpoints 15:53:30 to give an example 15:53:35 yeah 15:53:35 let's pretend I don't understand much about BTC 15:53:42 what do you mean with 'standalone currency'? 15:53:47 Oh boy :) RP 15:53:47 what does it have to do with my question about hassle? 15:53:58 how did I say it was a temp solution? 15:54:13 how does subway in russia accepting it, and an ATM existing in canada, help my usage of BTC? 15:54:16 what does that have to do with me? 15:54:26 why can't I just use BTC without getting an account? 15:54:45 and why can't you just send the money over paypal? 15:54:59 He Understands that part of bitcoin 15:55:08 DrWhat: you think he does 15:55:10 his post says otherwise 15:55:26 whats he doesnt understand how the BTC goes from on his pc to his pocket 15:55:49 try reading the whole thread, Mite open a bigger picture 15:55:50 http://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/forum-general/96183-bitcoin-donations.html 15:56:58 from thats thread alone and the discution in chat box 15:57:14 60% of the people who regularly post have BTC 15:57:16 DrWhat: but wouldn't accepting BTC donations just make the site look bad? 15:57:31 Hurr hurr 15:57:49 and why can't you just send money using PayPal? you don't need to create an account 15:58:12 Bitcoins are co complicated... 15:58:33 (DrWhat: note how I'm just rehashing the arguments in the forum thread here, from their point of view) 15:58:42 yup- 15:58:59 DrWhat: so, rebut them 16:03:01 The best quote from that thread is "Saying that Java is nice because it works on every OS is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on every gender." 16:06:20 lysobit: hahaha 16:07:00 I think this reasoning is perfectly valid, though 16:07:21 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:29:26 *** Cryto504 (Cryto504@cryto-83C1000D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #crytocc 16:32:18 *** Cryto504 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 16:50:24 http://i.imgur.com/Q8QMf4u.gif 16:51:02 seen it about 10 times already :p 16:52:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t65WaPxPa1s 17:05:07 *** THX1337b (THX1337b@cryto-235282EF.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 17:06:30 *** THX1337b has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 17:22:47 oo 17:22:49 sweet 17:22:59 looks like I'll have some Python X JSON related work 17:23:55 sounds exciting :D 17:24:01 lol 17:24:21 json = [root_obj][lesser][lesser][item] 17:25:26 which reminds me 17:25:42 gonna finish my keyword ranker over thanksgiving break 17:27:11 cayce: more complex than that 17:27:30 probably, I was just extracting values 17:27:31 it could become a handy tool for people using AUR 17:27:44 api call -> parse json -> extract number -> cast to int -> compare 17:27:56 yeah that 17:28:08 yep 17:28:13 I've never really messed with JSON in Python 17:28:23 it's not more complicated than the code I pasted 17:28:26 well, wrote 17:28:31 there might be quotes or something 17:28:31 lol 17:28:31 plus this is in Python3 because pacman python bindings are in python3 only 17:28:34 so herp 17:28:38 but anyway 17:28:41 yeah 17:28:51 you import json; and then parse the object 17:28:56 then you can access it like an array 17:28:57 done 17:29:08 it's really shit simple lol 17:29:51 my whole script was like 26 lines, and it pulled from an authenticated api, parsed, compared, and texted me via amazon's api 17:30:27 * cayce import boto; 17:30:35 or boto.* I think 17:30:39 so the names are less retarded 17:30:44 anyway 17:31:08 their python thing is like java, all the names are boto.name.othername.thing.fuckyou() 17:40:46 isn't boto that google thing? 17:44:08 looks like someone posted a comment on my HTML5 player article 17:44:10 "I'd like to get the older Flasher player back. This new HTML5 player is shit. I can't watch videos, full-screened on my primary monitor while doing stuff on my secondary monitor. Annoying as fuck." 17:44:14 ~ John 17:50:58 iceTwy:) https://github.com/boto/boto 18:30:24 is bitcoins surveillanced yet? 18:30:58 is it 100% safe to whitewash your money with it? 18:31:05 wups 18:31:15 i guess laundering is the correct word 18:31:23 cayce, In py you usually do someting like "from boto.name.othername.thing import fuckyou" anyway to waste less keystrokes 18:31:31 yeah 18:31:38 that's what I did, since I just needed SNS support 18:31:40 (though doesn't apply to *, which is way too confusing) 18:31:46 I kept the SNS part of the name 18:31:57 so I don't confuse where I'm calling 18:31:57 lol 18:32:18 is bitcoins surveillanced yet? 18:32:23 complex, btc is like most anti-laundering as you can get 18:32:25 this is a question you shouldn't even be asking 18:32:38