01:05:10 *** pjtyler (pjtyler@cryto-C452BACA.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 01:06:32 *** pjtyler has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 01:09:38 MK_FG: much Russia 01:09:39 very great 01:09:41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJXfHpojHo 01:09:43 .title 01:09:44 iceTwy: Lepsky JoyCaster - YouTube 01:10:06 seriously though, what's up with Russian guitarists 01:10:14 Feodor Dosumov, Sergey Golovin, Andrey Korolev 01:15:06 o.o 01:15:09 .bitcoin 01:15:10 1 BTC = $829.51, 1 BTC = €610.20 01:55:31 *** daemon (daemon@A92E1FD8.976590BA.FAD28E9E.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:05:09 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Disconnecting from server) 02:07:34 *** achus has quit (Ping timeout) 02:11:07 *** achus (achus@cryto-95CCB1FF.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 02:27:15 *** Cryto680 (Cryto680@cryto-952F708E.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #crytocc 02:27:22 * Cryto680 slaps botpie91 around a bit with a large fishbot 02:27:48 *** Cryto680 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 02:42:56 .bitcoin 02:42:57 1 BTC = $798.86, 1 BTC = €591.00 02:43:01 they dropped by $30 02:43:03 wow 02:48:56 asdf, 02:48:57 http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd 02:49:13 just remove the mtgox bit for a general one 03:12:08 *** jugoClaro (jugoClaro@cryto-C6F276AD.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #crytocc 03:12:28 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 03:13:36 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 03:16:10 .bitcoin 03:16:11 1 BTC = $799.00, 1 BTC = €576.80 03:45:09 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BAE76FBA.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 04:07:11 *** ElectRo` (x@cryto-84C88BCC.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 05:04:13 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:18:44 yay ripple 05:18:49 btc no moar 05:18:54 just jk 05:37:09 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 05:41:01 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:49:02 .bitcoin 05:49:03 1 BTC = $773.50, 1 BTC = €574.49 05:54:28 Wow, new chromium ships with suid-root binary, in case you didn't think google was creepy as fuck before \o/ 06:09:10 *** fr0z3n has quit (Input/output error) 06:09:25 *** fr0z3n (fr0z3n@20745377.ADF2CBB9.1AC919DC.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:16:28 *** ConstantClass (ConstantCl@762F1F52.7D9BB031.9E9746ED.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:17:38 *** ConstantClass has quit (User quit: ) 06:20:31 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 06:22:15 *** Charles has quit (Broken pipe) 06:34:36 MK_FG: it has done so for quite some time 06:34:54 Yeah, I don't run it often 06:34:54 at least 2+ years 06:35:15 Wat, fairly sure it didn't 06:35:15 friend of mine who does a lot of selinux stuff pointed this out to me before :) 06:35:22 it certainly did 06:35:43 I think his words were something along the lines of "security nightmare" 06:35:45 Then it couldn't have ran on my system under apparmor profile I have 06:35:50 Yet it did 06:36:03 idk, perhaps it has a fallback of some sort 06:36:06 had * 06:36:29 what the 06:36:43 http://owely.com/69peQh 06:36:52 I did not know this! 06:37:56 Checked 2013-10-30 backup with 28.0.1500.11 - no chromium-sandbox suid binary there! 06:38:35 Hmm, "Messages"? 06:40:33 Totally agree with "security nightmare" btw 06:41:13 If you're one of chrome team and think "hey, I know our code, it's secure, no bugs or backdoors there, safe to run as root!", guess it's fine 06:41:57 They also set cap_sys_admin and cap_dac_override in a sandbox ns there, which is like woot-insta-root ffs... 06:42:37 * MK_FG now has -1 browser on this machine 06:49:35 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:56:17 .bitcoin 06:56:18 1 BTC = $799.00, 1 BTC = €596.00 07:13:28 *** jugoClaro has quit (Ping timeout) 07:30:51 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BAE76FBA.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 07:34:00 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 07:52:41 *** InVaSiOn (InVaSiOn@918CAFF.7F974E7E.58993FB1.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:58:39 *** InVaSiOn has parted #crytocc (None) 08:07:57 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 08:38:01 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Improved normalization' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/e8b7742387...05d148fa7f) 09:05:05 *** pjtyler (pjtyler@cryto-598ED319.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 09:06:28 *** pjtyler has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 09:07:37 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BAE76FBA.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 09:07:57 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:13:35 *** Charles has quit (Ping timeout) 09:21:56 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:25:24 *** Charles has quit (Ping timeout) 09:26:11 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 09:26:13 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:37:13 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:53:36 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:07:02 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 10:18:23 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:29:30 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 11:04:29 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 11:09:28 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 11:24:11 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 11:24:23 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 11:30:47 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 11:42:13 iceTwy! XMPP! 11:42:47 *** v0rt3x (v0rt3x@cryto-3BBE2B4A.adsl.online.nl) has joined #crytocc 11:43:08 *** v0rt3x has quit (User quit: Leaving) 11:44:47 joepie91: yessir 11:49:27 *** Charles has quit (Ping timeout) 11:57:58 *** padl0ck (anonymous@cryto-74C7EDC.artrmn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #crytocc 11:58:33 Anyone awake? 12:00:22 *** padl0ck has parted #crytocc (None) 12:36:54 * joepie91 sighs 12:38:55 04joepie91 made 3 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Rename keys and get rid of null filling', '02Consistency!', '02Update testing data' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/05d148fa7f...c7775c51d4) 12:45:34 .bitcoin 12:45:34 1 BTC = $789.40, 1 BTC = €597.00 12:49:47 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:03:19 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 13:29:17 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:38:25 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03zippydoc on branch 10master: '02Support for bulletpoint lists and 1.1 release' (https://github.com/joepie91/zippydoc/compare/242f4b9331...fc3f2c3e3c) 13:40:20 whee 13:40:23 :D 14:13:01 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 14:29:32 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:38:47 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Disconnecting from server) 14:39:43 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 14:54:25 BOOM 14:54:33 04joepie91 made 20 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10master: '02Remove jwhois dependency, separate retrieval and parsing logic, implement registrant parsing for several registries, fix some other regexes, add test data', '02Fix eNom e-mail address parsing', '02jprs.jp support', '02Add x.it test case', '02Fix eNom and GoDaddy regex.... again', '02Remove surrounding whitespace in registrant data', '02Do not allow whitespace 14:54:36 04joepie91 made 3 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Update setup script', '02Bunch of fixes', '02Add documentation' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/c7775c51d4...d8c59429dd) 14:56:22 http://cryto.net/pythonwhois/ :D:D:D:D 14:57:18 What do you use whois for? 14:57:27 (I mean, the data) 14:58:05 Can't seem to think of much use for it except automated abuse reports maybe or cybersquatting 15:00:06 Hmm, maybe also as an ad-hoc geoip... 15:06:28 MK_FG: research, in my case ;) 15:06:39 it'll be used for an openNG infoserver module 15:06:47 ie. automated data retrieval and processing 15:06:48 .whois google.com 15:06:49 Domain 04google.com, registered on 041997-09-15T00:00:00 via 04MARKMONITOR INC., expires on 042020-09-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.GOOGLE.COM, NS2.GOOGLE.COM, NS3.GOOGLE.COM, NS4.GOOGLE.COM, ns1.google.com, ns2.google.com, ns4.google.com, ns3.google.com, contact e-mails are 04compliance@markmonitor.com, contact-admin@google.com, dns-admin@google.com 15:06:54 vld: still using old one 15:06:57 looks identical 15:07:00 won't update 15:07:08 Oh, right, someone does that :P 15:07:16 vld: the botpie module hasn't been updated for new version yet, derp 15:38:08 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:39:36 04FichteFoll made 3 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Update s.json', '02Update s.json', '02Merge pull request #2368 from sublimebrasil/masterUpdate s.json' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/4004d1ea48...91fdc1037c) 15:48:24 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 15:52:24 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:03:08 *** testpie91 (testpie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:03:37 .whois cryto.net 16:03:39 Exception: The whois() method has been replaced by a different method (with a different API), since pythonwhois 2.0. Either install the older pythonwhois 1.2.3, or change your code to use the new API. (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pythonwhois/__init__.py", line 8, in whois) 16:03:41 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com 16:03:45 oh, lol 16:03:46 oops 16:04:43 *** testpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:04:50 *** testpie91 (testpie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:04:52 .whois cryto.net 16:04:52 TypeError: get_whois() got an unexpected keyword argument 'normalized' (file "/home/sven/projects/phenny/modules/ipinfo.py", line 170, in whois_host) 16:04:53 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com 16:04:56 :| 16:06:17 oh dear. 16:06:20 *** Charles has quit (Ping timeout) 16:08:09 *** mama has quit (User quit: ciao ciao) 16:08:13 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10develop: '02Fix for missing 'normalized' keyword argument in get_whois' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/d8c59429dd...910e74ab2b) 16:08:17 04joepie91 made 2 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10master: '02Fix for missing 'normalized' keyword argument in get_whois', '02Merge branch 'develop'' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/f0f2d5b52b...47d486f33e) 16:08:52 *** testpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:08:57 *** testpie91 (testpie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:10:11 .whois cryto.net 16:10:12 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 by 04Sven Slootweg via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04not available, contact e-mails are 04['jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com'] 16:10:12 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com 16:10:16 whoop whoop 16:10:19 er 16:10:22 oh 16:10:24 *** testpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:10:38 perhaps I should, like, follow my own upgrade instructions 16:10:38 and stuff 16:10:39 :P 16:10:54 *** testpie91 (testpie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:10:58 .whois cryto.net 16:10:58 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com 16:10:59 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 by 04Sven Slootweg via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.he.net, ns2.he.net, ns3.he.net, ns4.he.net, ns5.he.net, contact e-mails are 04['jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com'] 16:11:05 mm.. 16:11:24 *** testpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:11:30 *** testpie91 (testpie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 16:11:32 .whois cryto.net 16:11:33 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 by 04Sven Slootweg via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.he.net, ns2.he.net, ns3.he.net, ns4.he.net, ns5.he.net, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com 16:11:33 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.HE.NET, NS2.HE.NET, NS3.HE.NET, NS4.HE.NET, NS5.HE.NET, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com 16:11:37 whee 16:11:44 .whois gdns.re 16:11:45 Domain 04gdns.re, registered on 042012-06-12T00:00:00 by 04Ano Nymous via 04Internet.bs Corp, expires on 04unknown, nameservers are 04c.gdns.re, a.gdns.re, b.gdns.re, d.gdns.re, contact e-mails are 04info@internet.bs, anonymous@nowhere.xx.fr, afnicroleobject@internet.bs 16:11:45 Domain 04gdns.re, registered on 042012-06-12T00:00:00 via 04INTERNET.BS CORP, expires on 04unknown, nameservers are 04c.gdns.re, a.gdns.re, b.gdns.re, d.gdns.re, contact e-mails are 04info@internet.bs, anonymous@nowhere.xx.fr, AfnicRoleObject@internet.bs 16:12:00 yay 16:12:02 *** testpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:12:49 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03phenny on branch 10master: '02Fixed to use newest pythonwhois (2.x)' (https://github.com/joepie91/phenny/compare/4d34ea670a...c2e142616c) 16:21:01 .whois google.com 16:21:02 Domain 04google.com, registered on 041997-09-15T00:00:00 via 04MARKMONITOR INC., expires on 042020-09-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04NS1.GOOGLE.COM, NS2.GOOGLE.COM, NS3.GOOGLE.COM, NS4.GOOGLE.COM, ns1.google.com, ns2.google.com, ns4.google.com, ns3.google.com, contact e-mails are 04compliance@markmonitor.com, contact-admin@google.com, dns-admin@google.com 16:40:02 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03python-whois on branch 10master: '02Fix OrderedDict PyPi package support for 2.6' (https://github.com/joepie91/python-whois/compare/47d486f33e...3426714ffe) 16:47:30 *** botpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:47:36 *** botpie91 (botpie91@botpie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:49:36 .whois cryto.net 16:49:37 Domain 04cryto.net, registered on 042010-02-14T00:00:00 by 04Sven Slootweg via 04Internet.bs Corp., expires on 042014-02-14T00:00:00, nameservers are 04ns1.he.net, ns2.he.net, ns3.he.net, ns4.he.net, ns5.he.net, contact e-mails are 04jamsoftgamedev@gmail.com 16:53:40 i wonder..... 16:53:43 .whois irc.cryto.net 16:53:44 lel 16:53:44 The domain 04irc.cryto.net does not seem to exist. 16:53:53 awe. i was hoping it'd crash 16:54:18 .whois 637279746f2e6e6574 16:54:19 WhoisException: No root WHOIS server found for TLD. (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pythonwhois/net.py", line 41, in get_root_server) 16:54:38 *** botpie91 has quit (Client exited) 16:54:39 .whois %63%72%79%74%6f.net 16:54:44 *** botpie91 (botpie91@botpie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 16:54:48 LOL 16:54:51 .whois %63%72%79%74%6f.net 16:54:52 WhoisException: No root WHOIS server found for TLD. (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pythonwhois/net.py", line 41, in get_root_server) 17:05:53 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 17:45:37 *** botpie91 has quit (Client exited) 17:45:42 *** botpie91 (botpie91@botpie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:05:04 *** pjtyler (pjtyler@cryto-628CF3EA.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 18:06:27 *** pjtyler has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 18:19:14 yeah 18:19:26 *** bregganfive is now known as mikkaa 18:21:02 *** mikkaa is now known as mikaa 18:21:27 *** mikaa has quit (User quit: mikaa) 18:22:13 *** mikaa (mikaa@mikaa.cryto.net) has joined #crytocc 18:22:35 fuck 0ff 18:22:41 cheers guys 18:23:09 gr33tz from china! 18:23:27 wh@t a fuckin place 18:23:34 damn namerver shizzness 18:23:41 *nameserver 18:23:48 thiz suckz 18:24:48 hope u r all well up 18:25:33 reading backlog 18:28:22 *** Rex (user@Rex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:30:44 ohai 18:30:49 and I am immediately going to sleep again :P 18:31:00 *** botpie91 has quit (Client exited) 18:31:06 *** botpie91 (botpie91@botpie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:32:34 hellow joepie91 18:33:52 going zo test tha pwhois 18:36:53 gn @all gmtl`rs 18:37:16 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:53:57 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:11:47 GODDAMN 20:11:57 I want money now 20:12:32 I need btc 20:13:04 No you don't 20:13:40 want, need :P 20:13:52 would very much like 20:14:07 *** mama (me@cryto-BD1C62A5.privacyfoundation.ch) has joined #crytocc 20:15:07 I just want to got them before they go up more and I can't possibly afford them. 20:15:17 Hold on to them for a few years. 20:15:24 See what happens. 20:19:17 lysobit: Where do you see the value of bitcoin in 5 years? 20:19:21 .bitcoin 20:19:22 1 BTC = $829.98, 1 BTC = €619.89 20:26:17 829 :o 20:26:31 why is it going up and down wtf 20:26:46 I thought it would just drop 20:27:53 something happens at 1000, and then it will drop 20:28:10 pzuraq: minimum is that it will reach Apple's market capital and stops spreading in 2 years, $100,000 (100x value) per BTC, but if the exponential trend actually continues in 5 years (it's showing no signs of slowing down), then $1,000,000+. Disclaimer, I am biased because I own Bitcoins, but these estimates are mathematically reasonable. 20:30:43 It is difficult to predict if a technology will become mainstream adapted, but with stuff like this, I find it hard to believe otherwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cKyqNSEwcc 20:32:06 It could also go to $0 :) 20:33:17 At this stage I don't really care. More for the all the amazing stuff that has become possible because of the decentralized/crypto technology that powers Bitcoin 20:34:09 http://namecoin.info/ 20:40:49 lysobit: I think 100,000 is very realistic, even with a pessimistic outlook 20:40:58 which is why I want to buy now 20:41:40 10000% increase in value 20:43:26 I will say that there's a significant possibility that another cc gains more marketshare if btc can't stabilize at some point. By that I mean maybe it grows, but not quickly enough to cause a deflationary spiral. 20:43:47 even then, btc will be used as a gold standard most likely 20:44:22 If BTC can't stabilize, an altcoin growing will cause extra unstability in that altcoin 20:44:47 ah, and the other big thing against btc is the transaction speed. It takes an hour to propogate, could be a weakness. 20:44:48 BTC will only stabilize when it gains mass adoption 20:44:56 What? 20:45:08 Certainly not an hour 20:45:31 I usually see my transactions on blockchain.info in seconds 20:45:34 from what a friend who was explaining it to me said, it takes an hour minimum for a block to get hashed 20:45:54 No. Blocks are generated every 10 minutes 20:46:13 mm 20:46:23 ok, so perhaps he was wrong 20:46:27 that's good then 20:47:49 Blocks are only to confirm transactions. In many cases, such as buying a Coke from Subway, you don't need any confirmations (no one is going to spent trillions of $usd on a double spend attack for a free Coke http://coinometrics.com/bitcoin/brix ) 20:48:37 Also, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cKyqNSEwcc 20:49:51 lysobit: As for altcoin being unstable, same friends argument is more based on deflationary spiral. Value can grow, but it needs to grow slow enough that people will spend rather than hoard. If that doesn't happen then an altcoin that is slightly inflationary, or simply grows less quickly, could gain marketshare. 20:49:54 (though actually, you don't need to have 51% to do a double spend attack) 20:50:06 I'm still debating with him over this 20:50:23 also, that's awesome :) 20:50:28 the video 20:51:00 pzuraq: The market does not care if a deflationary currency is better for the economy than an inflationary currency, they won't switch to an altcoin where the value of their money is constantly going down on that base. 20:51:11 err, worse for the economy* 20:51:18 basis* 20:51:47 Also, if it is better for the economy or not is debatable, as with the "hoarding" debate. 20:52:15 Agreed, the more I think about it the more I disagree with him 20:52:35 and in any case, if that were to happen that means btc value is growing too fast 20:52:51 so... buy btc :) 20:53:43 Many argue that a deflationary currency is actually better for the world socially, since it will force people to spend their money wisely and we won't have so many environmental problems. 80 years ago light bulbs lasted 50+ years. Now light bulb companies sell light bulb that last 5 years to force people into buying a new one every 5 years 20:54:43 Maybe with a deflationary currency we won't have this: http://shoroc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/e-waste.jpg 20:54:58 I'm no economics expert, though. 20:55:39 in some sense I am okay with planned obsolescence, if only because it forces us to upgrade. If cars didn't break down, there would be many people still driving cars from the 70s. Gas guzzlers polluting a lot 20:55:48 same with lightbulbs vs LEDs 20:55:50 but 20:56:01 at some point we reach a peak in a technology 20:56:06 consider the wrench 20:56:25 There is little you can do to improve it 20:56:37 so when one buys a wrench, they should buy it for life 21:01:35 This is a problem that capitalism can't solve, but I believe the open source economy will 21:03:34 bitcoins may improve capitalism 21:08:20 completely agree with that 21:08:28 a lot of things may improve it 21:21:25 i didnt think about what i was saying btw, but it sounded like a cool thing to say 21:21:58 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 21:24:01 ? 21:24:16 I mean, it was 21:25:45 sometimes 21:25:50 I just can't understand journalists 21:25:57 or, well, " " "journalists" " " 21:25:59 http://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2013/nov/24/vaping-smoking-e-cigarettes 21:26:03 .title 21:26:05 iceTwy: Is 'vaping' really the best word for smoking e-cigarettes? | Society | The Guardian 21:26:33 "vaping sounds worryingly like a form of sexual assault" 21:26:37 .. ?! 21:26:41 lol 21:37:12 magnificent quote from @_cypherpunks_: Strong cryptography is my form to let passionate proponents of collecting mania know that I give permission to perpetually fuck themselves. 21:38:35 heh 22:00:51 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 23:07:56 .bitcoin 23:07:57 1 BTC = $809.06, 1 BTC = €599.99 23:18:31 *** ^Xires (xires@cryto-FE316B49.feedthetrolls.net) has joined #crytocc 23:18:37 *** fr0z3n has quit (Ping timeout) 23:19:11 *** fr0z3n (fr0z3n@75D2BE42.54F88E0E.32FDE28D.IP) has joined #crytocc 23:22:09 *** Rex has quit (Ping timeout) 23:59:36 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: Disconnecting from server)