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ZZZzzz…) 02:49:34 *** Ari has quit (Connection reset by peer) 02:56:10 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 05:51:02 *** loggy (loggy@5C4B2CE4.B8E60B3B.FD9B6484.IP) has joined #crytocc 05:51:02 Topic for #crytocc is: Cryto Coding Collective | THIS IS A PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL. http://wire.cryto.net/logs | http://cryto.net/, http://forums.cryto.net/ | Rules: no Anonymous, no cracking, no drama | Now, with more dpk! | Cryto Research: http://research.cryto.net/ | RIP Aaron Swartz 05:51:02 Users on #crytocc: loggy skill3r pzuraq_ joepie91 probably lysobit Zekka foolex multihate GHOSTnew mikaa lblissett fr0z3n prism Asad disfunc nox ElectRo` connor paul &MK_FG IR601 LapAnon vld @SpaghettiCode connor- staticsafe Sonic d0wn aHlTat cayce niveus Sue truetravesty captainobvious 05:51:03 *** botpie91 (botpie91@botpie91.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:15:50 *** multihate has quit (Ping timeout) 06:22:14 *** pzuraq_ has quit (Input/output error) 06:55:09 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 07:08:41 *** skill3r has quit (User quit: skill3r) 07:13:25 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 07:43:05 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-D2623541.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 07:43:33 .bitcoin 07:43:34 1 BTC = $969.98, 1 BTC = €790.49 07:43:40 D: 07:44:39 pzuraq: hmm? 07:45:06 joepie91: I want btc now but I don't has the moneys :( 07:45:44 ah 07:45:54 pzuraq: when investing, buying when it's high is usually not a very good strategy 07:45:55 just FYI 07:45:56 :) 07:46:01 true 07:46:26 I'm hoping that my lack of funds will be good, and there will be a drop soon instead 07:46:39 lol 07:46:50 also, pzuraq 07:47:02 http://tracker.archiveteam.org/hyves/ 07:47:04 look at the speed! 07:47:04 :P 07:47:32 that's users/groups being downloaded and archived 07:49:32 what are they archiving? 07:53:04 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 07:55:49 botpie91, tell pzuraq that we're archiving Hyves, a Dutch social network that's about to shut down 07:55:50 joepie91: I'll pass that on when pzuraq is around. 08:15:07 *** shxz_ (shxz@cryto-4D4A8575.cable.virginm.net) has joined #crytocc 08:15:20 *** shxz_ has parted #crytocc () 08:36:26 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 08:44:08 .startgh 08:44:10 Now watching GitHub for users joepie91, iceTwy, FichteFoll, cam1337, codetalkdev, shiny. 08:47:12 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03aether-public on branch 10master: '02Aaaaaand also force Logs/ to exist.' (https://github.com/joepie91/aether-public/compare/a79975ea94...16d938fdb0) 08:51:34 *** Cryto670 (Cryto670@cryto-9842FC7.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #crytocc 08:51:44 *** Cryto670 has parted #crytocc () 08:54:26 *** crytoweb088 (crytoweb08@cryto-9842FC7.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #crytocc 08:55:37 *** crytoweb088 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 09:05:04 *** MRdjst0rm (MRdjst0rm@cryto-3F649C38.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 09:05:24 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 09:06:25 *** MRdjst0rm has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 09:13:23 04joepie91 made 1 commit(s) to 03aether-public on branch 10master: '02Add PyQt5 install script' (https://github.com/joepie91/aether-public/compare/16d938fdb0...400e2fc97c) 09:31:29 *** monod (G@cryto-2F857359.dei.unipd.it) has joined #crytocc 09:31:36 hello 09:31:50 I'm reposting a message I wrote yesterday night 09:31:59 23:00:40 hello 09:32:00 23:00:45 I have a question: 09:32:02 23:01:39 how does working for an important computer videogame software house sound for you? 09:32:03 23:02:07 I was thinking at the "problem" that coding videogames is not that useful to society at all... 09:32:05 23:02:31 I just came up with only one positive aspect, that is: I will improve my own skils, at work 09:32:08 hope this will not flood you :) 09:32:23 tell monod this is a test 09:32:32 botpie91, tell monod this is a test 09:32:33 You can tell yourself that. 09:32:34 ok 09:33:20 gotta go studying now >:) I want to become your fucking trusted engineer 09:33:28 cya soon/around! :) 09:33:33 *** monod has quit (User quit: lleaving) 09:45:30 *** Goochy (coolstory@6F6A74B2.87773AE4.B7613ADF.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:51:26 *** mama (me@cryto-CD086792.beseeingyou.org.uk) has joined #crytocc 10:55:07 *** wilburh1337 (wilburh133@cryto-5D71B3F5.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #crytocc 11:08:48 *** monod (G@cryto-2F857359.dei.unipd.it) has joined #crytocc 11:09:44 01,04 Test 11:10:34 ohai 11:10:46 I wouldn't say that "coding videogames is not useful to society" 11:11:12 videogames, aside from providing entertainment (which /is/ necessary) also train quite a few skills 11:11:21 depending on genre 11:11:45 that said, more open-source games are needed, rather than proprietary 11:15:31 hey there 11:15:47 Dunno if you saw the colorz on "Test" 11:15:56 yes, I did 11:15:57 also, fuck 11:16:02 my attempts at installing PyQt5 11:16:04 have broken PyQt4 11:16:05 wtf 11:16:33 anyway, I don't think you mean "entertainment" is necessary, but something else regarding the concept of well-being 11:16:58 but also, I know that there are some flaws in saying videogames are useless 11:17:29 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@cryto-610769D0.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #crytocc 11:17:34 hello iceTwy 11:17:35 ! 11:17:41 welcome aboardd 11:17:47 *** monod is now known as reservoir 11:17:53 *** reservoir is now known as monod 11:18:01 oh muy god 11:18:13 Konversation has a strange way to change nicknamez 11:18:45 hey there monod 11:18:58 monod: use weechat or something 11:19:16 can't install anything, departmental computers atm 11:19:30 or.. is it browser-based? 11:19:33 departmental computers? 11:19:41 nah, it's not browser-based 11:19:45 ehm, I'm at university 11:19:51 ah, okay :p 11:19:53 what uni btw? 11:20:03 do you mean which city? 11:20:08 yeah 11:20:10 Padua 11:20:20 a famous universitarian city 11:20:37 "universitarian", if exists 11:20:52 universitary maybe :uhm: 11:21:23 :p 11:21:25 lol 11:28:15 universitarianist! 11:34:53 NOOOOO 11:35:00 you're trolling me! I feel it!! 11:35:10 CAN'T BE!!! 11:35:26 * monod bangs his head on the keyboard. 11:53:22 monod, Wat, you think things that make people happy are "unnecessary"? 11:53:35 :D 11:53:48 MK_FG: haha 11:53:49 I'd think that they could be whole point of everything else 11:54:06 so trolling is the point of everything in life 11:54:08 ? 11:54:10 hell yes 11:54:14 nono iceTwy XD 11:54:23 yes 11:54:24 Trolling doesn't make everyone hapy :P 11:54:25 : 11:54:27 ...usually 11:54:27 D 11:54:35 ... usually 11:54:38 it's referred to something said before you joined :3 11:54:43 but since none of us here in this chat room are usual 11:54:55 It might actually let people went out whatever crap they had that was making them unhappy 11:55:02 So could be a good thing 11:55:12 *vent 11:55:51 MK_FG: the only bad thing I was thinking of about coding games was the image of hardcore gamers, international tournaments and similar things.. 11:56:09 International tournaments are awesome 11:56:17 * MK_FG is a starcraft 2 sports fan 11:56:27 yes, I think so too :) 11:56:39 when I first discovered such events, I was amazed! 11:57:13 yet, once I asked myself: "but what are we/they (the players) doing??" 11:57:38 Whatever the heck we want! 11:57:52 (i.e. playing games) 11:58:30 One point in favor of games is that they are not harmful by themselves, but it's the way someone plays them 11:58:38 I don't think being super-good at something or useful to society makes one happy 11:59:04 In fact, I think it's a known fact that you don't want to be Chemistry Nobel Prize laureate :P 11:59:13 ??? 11:59:19 And why? o_O 11:59:24 (because rate of suicide among these is like "every third") 11:59:29 (I mean, why not) 11:59:33 oh god 11:59:35 really? 11:59:38 Yep 11:59:39 and why is that? 12:00:01 Could be that chemistry is kinda depressing and boring 12:00:09 Or maybe a lot of pressure in that area 12:00:24 Or chemicals altering their brain and killing health 12:00:35 No idea! ;) 12:01:07 you shocked me! I didn't know this thing! It's really.. impressive O_O 12:01:12 anyway, GOOD TO KNOW 12:01:13 In fact, I think rates of suicide among smarter and more productive (in terms of society) people is way higher than usual 12:01:31 So clearly they should play more games instead of being smart and creative 12:01:41 hmm 12:01:52 I think you're now mixing things up a little bit, like: 12:02:11 there's no reason to bring "smart and creative" in, since that's also what we may do in games 12:02:25 I think there's some other names for what you wanted to say 12:02:31 am I correct? :) 12:02:49 I think such people push themselves towards stupid work "for teh greater good" too hard 12:02:59 yes 12:03:00 And that's core of the problem 12:03:05 uh. 12:03:07 "So clearly they should play more games instead of being smart and creative"! 12:04:05 clearly they should play more games instead of pushing themselves way off their endurability, I would say 12:04:09 or something similar 12:04:26 Yeah, relax and watch teh world burn \o/ 12:04:37 because from what you say, seems like who plays games cannot be smart and/or creative! :D 12:04:45 Yeah, relax and watch teh world burn \o/ 12:04:46 LOL 12:06:31 Also, designing (maybe not so much coding) games sounds like a very interesting activity 12:07:09 I so much share you're crazy statements like the one before, btw :) 12:07:24 and yes, videogames mix up so many fields together.... 12:07:25 That's what many people like to do with pen-and-paper rpgs, for example - build their own world and rulesets and stuff 12:08:08 I've played these with a friends here and pretty much everyone was or wanted to be a dm at least one 12:08:10 *once 12:08:18 hehe 12:09:00 There shouldn't even be a question if it's worth doing, actually, if you like that stuff :P 12:09:17 :3 12:09:33 In fact, I might be designing a shadowrun campaign in the near future 12:10:00 shadowrun? This name sounds familiar 12:10:17 also, sounds like a good new! :) 12:10:25 RPG setting, and a few games based on it 12:10:36 It's from some 80s, I think ;) 12:10:49 Cyberpunk + magic and all that 12:10:54 now I remember what I was thinking of when I said "useful to society"! 12:11:15 (going to google it, I thought it was some more recent game, dunno why) 12:11:16 Original shadowrun was probably a basis for rpg titans like planescape torment and arcanum 12:11:39 (given similarities of setting and/or plot there) 12:11:42 real classic RPGs I see:) 12:12:06 There actually is Shadowrun Returns these days 12:12:12 Kickstarted game 12:12:23 http://harebrained-schemes.com/shadowrun/ 12:12:28 grrrrrrrrr 12:12:35 today is such an uninspired day :( 12:12:57 anyway, I still am not able to understand why certain people like RPGs over all games and why other people just.. don't! Like if the gameplay does not attract them 12:12:59 Bought it on Steam, liked it a lot, but fairly sure it's for old-style rpg fans, not like skyrim or anything like that :P 12:13:29 joepie91: what's wrong?? :O 12:13:33 make a short pause 12:13:56 ohohoh, MK 12:14:08 joepie91, There was defcon/blackhat video dumps few days ago - good source of inspiration :P 12:14:11 I have to ask you: how do you play on Steam? Linux, right? 12:14:33 No no, I have a windows on this desktop too ;) 12:14:44 I tried installing steam on exherbo here... 12:14:57 monod: supposed to be working on something, but can't find inspiration 12:15:02 But it spat some unspeficic errors at me, so I quickly gave up 12:15:05 I thtink I'll just go work on something else instead 12:15:31 exherbo? o_O (duckducking it...) 12:15:42 It's a esoteric linux distro 12:15:57 Clearly steam is more oriented on something less hipsterish like ubuntu 12:16:13 MK_FG: you can run it on RPM-based systems also :) 12:16:31 Yeah, fairly sure it's not *just* ubuntu :P 12:16:49 I tried Steam on Debian, after some scripty installer it went right 12:16:51 buuuuut.. 12:17:06 And I definitely can run it here, i.e. in ubuntu-like chroot, if everything else fails 12:17:08 ..the graphics support on Debian was not so great so I couldn't play anything :D 12:17:14 But just don't see much point 12:17:29 I have isolated windows setup just for games, why not play there... 12:17:54 pretty much the same as me ;) and so many others 12:18:14 "All design goals must be phrased in such a way that it is hard to use them as slogans to justify stupidity." 12:18:16 lol 12:18:53 Sounds like a design goal for design goals that can be used to justify stupidity 12:19:18 yeah, to avoid them 12:19:37 I hope I got the irony correctly 12:19:39 :3 12:19:59 No I mean, that the statement by itself is a goal that can lead to (and justify) really dumb phrasing :P 12:20:34 ok, but at least they couldn't be too short and used as slogans to justify echolalia 12:21:08 I WROTE ECHOLALIA CORRECTLY!! 12:21:18 this is a sign of English improvement!! 12:21:19 I have no idea what that word means anyway! 12:21:31 I USED A WORD SOMEONE'S DOES NOT KNOW!! 12:21:37 THAT'S EVEN MORE IMPROVING! 12:21:38 xD 12:21:42 Could be 12:21:45 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecolalia 12:21:52 it's a cool concept tho :) 12:22:04 So it's Eco-, not Echo-? 12:22:06 someone's is wrong, in the first place xD 12:22:12 both of them :P 12:22:17 ops 12:22:22 sorry, only echo* 12:22:31 "Redirecting from ecolalia" 12:22:37 phewwwwww 12:22:52 .wik echolalia 12:22:53 "Echolalia (also known as echologia or echophrasia[1]|) is the automatic repetition of vocalizations made by another person." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echolalia 12:22:57 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 12:23:07 oh cool .wik usage there 12:23:15 :) 12:23:16 +1 joepie 12:23:18 :D 12:23:22 .wik wikipedia 12:23:23 "Wikipedia (|i|/ˌwɪkɨˈpiːdiə/ or |i|/ˌwɪkiˈpiːdiə/ WIK-i-PEE-dee-ə) is a collaboratively edited, multilingual, free Internet encyclopedia supported by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia 12:23:33 surprisingly neutral 12:23:41 :? 12:23:58 you'd expect wikipedia to praise wikipedia 12:23:59 :P 12:24:05 xD 12:24:59 ohhh I can feel the lunch is going out of the hard-digesting phase 12:25:11 so back to work soon ;evil: 12:26:56 how can I overcome that fear of breaking stuff on Linux? As when people began having computers at home and couldn't try and fix easy problems by themselves for the fear of breaking something they didn't know? 12:27:02 maybe I also found the answer... 12:27:13 monod: idk, but my stuff never breaks 12:27:16 unless I break it myself 12:27:16 lol 12:27:17 xD 12:27:44 by the way, I kinda realised how I learned the first time, on Windows 12:27:57 just looking inside folders, it's the only way to start 12:28:16 understanding where the computers looks for his things 12:28:17 and stuff 12:28:19 good. 12:28:21 will do. 12:28:26 bak2work! 12:28:31 byezzz 12:28:42 *** monod has quit (User quit: lleaving) 12:37:25 *** wilburh1337 has quit (Client exited) 12:55:24 http://i.imgur.com/2cChKvq.jpg 13:16:02 *** crytoweb457 (crytoweb45@cryto-F207277C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #crytocc 13:19:48 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 13:33:58 .wik .la 13:33:59 ".la is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Laos." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.la 13:42:48 *** johanna_q6794 (johanna_q6@cryto-5D71B3F5.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #crytocc 13:44:02 *** johanna_q6794 has quit (Client exited) 13:52:59 *** thaddeusl4513 (thaddeusl4@cryto-5D71B3F5.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #crytocc 13:56:11 *** thaddeusl4513 has quit (Client exited) 14:03:10 *** prescotth5945 (prescotth5@cryto-5D71B3F5.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #crytocc 14:06:43 *** MrPinky (MrPinky@cryto-96ABCC15.torproxy-readme-arachnide-fr-35.fr) has joined #crytocc 14:10:20 *** crytoweb457 has quit (Ping timeout) 14:30:49 *** mama (me@7EB2096.E5E713CB.E5AA0CC1.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:40:44 *** prescotth5945 has quit (Client exited) 14:43:17 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:50:19 *** Charles has quit (Ping timeout) 15:06:20 *** eugene-c7419 (eugene-c74@cryto-5D71B3F5.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #crytocc 15:18:54 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:21:26 *** eugene-c7419 has quit (Client exited) 15:29:37 *** MrPinky has quit (Ping timeout) 15:35:54 .wik thanksgiving 15:35:55 "Thanksgiving Day (Jour de l'Action de grâce in Canadian French) is a national holiday celebrated primarily in the United States and Canada as a day of giving thanks for the blessing of the harvest and of the preceding year." - 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