00:01:24 hey joepie91 is vhost broken? 00:02:41 like, the user.whatever ones work, but user-set ones don't seem to? 00:03:40 *** saint911 has quit (Input/output error) 00:06:55 dorotea: I just haven't manually approved any requested vhosts in a long time because I still have to recover services admin 00:07:30 ahh :) 00:07:59 someone was having issues setting one, that'd explain why :D 00:08:12 oh no's u lost passed? or just service is corrupt? 00:08:20 passwd* 00:08:41 it's better this way, what with the admin locked out of his own services 00:08:41 :D 00:08:49 more secure lulz 00:09:41 have some delicious music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt57t3SCvdY 00:09:57 off topic how do i figure out the resolution of a photo? i just uploaded a picture from my camera and i have no idea the rez of it or how to find it lol i should duckduckgo it i guess. 00:10:40 usually the infobox or properties box whatever will tell you 00:11:00 if you're on windows, the properties thing does, but it's in advanced 00:11:17 osx here and its not in info that i could see. :/ 00:11:43 show info should say it 00:11:50 might have to click an arrow to show it tho 00:12:00 oh no's u lost passed? or just service is corrupt? 00:12:00 passwd* 00:12:03 yeah i know where it usually is but its not listed with this cam some reason 00:12:06 I lost my password a long time ago 00:12:10 after feds seized my stuff 00:12:13 ah that blows 00:12:14 I just never got around to resetting it 00:12:25 I only reset my oper pass because that was easy 00:12:37 but I don't have access to nickserv (or services admin, because of that) 00:12:52 em guys, whats the best sec token crypt fs with dm crypt atm? 00:12:53 cam? why aren't you just looking at it in finder or something 00:12:57 aes-xts-plain64 --key-size 512? 00:13:20 finder -> get info -> "more info" shows me resolution 00:13:22 thats what i mean i right clicked the picture and clicked info and then click on show more info 00:13:28 but it don't display the rez for some reason. 00:13:31 weird 00:13:32 it does on other pictures 00:13:35 but not this one 00:13:39 dunno then 00:13:42 so i was wondering a alt way? 00:13:56 that be cool if i could use a cmd in terminal lol 00:14:07 don't matter to me just would like to know the rez of this pic 00:14:09 dunno lol 00:14:15 whatsoever, idk 00:14:27 what're the choices, kilo 00:14:37 sha256 or 512 00:14:53 so both are sha2, longer isn't going to hurt you 00:14:53 xts or cbc 00:15:08 i dunno want to get hurt 00:16:05 honestly I'd actually go with CBC, not because it's inherently better or anything but because xts is very new 00:16:11 sha512? 00:16:14 2007 standardized 00:16:21 yes, 512byte long sha2 hashes 00:16:53 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_encryption_theory#XEX-based_tweaked-codebook_mode_with_ciphertext_stealing_.28XTS.29 00:16:57 (xts) 00:17:11 cbc seems stronger, but much slower 00:17:21 2x slower 00:17:32 zfs with lvm might be my best choice, and ctx plain46 with soze sha512 key length maybe 00:17:47 what's plain64 00:17:53 plain anything seems like a Bad Idea 00:17:53 *xts plain64 00:17:58 lel 00:18:22 eh why? 00:18:57 plain being no encryption? 00:19:01 or hashing, or whatever 00:19:18 but you're dicking with disk encryption shit I've never touched so 00:19:37 aes-xts-plain64 might be strong, im gonna hope so 00:19:54 prolly 00:20:04 damn new hdd and no idea bout encryprion 00:20:06 *t 00:20:16 I've never done FDE, so ditto 00:20:32 shay k thx will try 00:21:00 fde doesn't help my use-case, heh. Either I'm here and I stand there as they infect my shit or I'm not here and they do it anyway 00:21:09 :D 00:21:13 :P 00:21:22 lelz loud 00:21:26 in neither case is encryption useful. desktop pc don't move lulz 00:21:41 laptopish shit on the other hand... :D 00:23:31 filevault2 is based on xts-aes? 00:24:06 dunno what that is 00:24:08 osx shit? 00:24:49 figured it out command+i with photo open in preview brings up lots of info 00:24:54 :) 00:24:57 letz check the other site 00:24:59 PBKDF2-HMAC-SHA512 / AES: 95 kHash/s 00:25:03 on ocl 00:25:15 thatz slow 00:25:21 btw 00:26:09 yus 00:26:26 that's a combination of characters I approve of 00:26:51 thats kind of variable in that game 00:26:52 filevault: An application that comes with Mac OS X for encrypting and protecting files on Macintosh computers. 00:27:00 I would vouch for TrueCrypt tho. 00:27:11 nah, i dont care 00:27:59 true crypt is most secure from what i learned. 00:28:03 .wiki filevault 00:28:07 .wik 00:28:08 Perhaps you meant ".wik Zen"? 00:28:17 .wik filevault 00:28:18 "FileVault is a method of using encryption with volumes on Mac computers." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filevault 00:28:24 Cypher: actually that's bullshit because there has not been a truecrypt audit (yet) 00:28:31 ^ 00:28:37 http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/ 00:28:47 after the audit, and subsequent fixes, it'll be verifiably good (or bad) 00:28:56 heh what would u vouch for joepie91 j/w 00:30:00 I like dmcrypt 00:30:11 Cypher: I'm not sure there -are- any publicly audited FDE mechanisms 00:30:11 but 00:30:13 yay thats for a reason 00:30:20 "If it would make you feel better, governments and military commonly use LUKS with AES256, CBC, ESSIV and SHA256 to protect stuff up to the level of secret and above that level they may use exactly the same algorithm, but just an audited and certified version." 00:30:21 dm-crypt universelle 00:30:41 (unsourced) 00:30:47 yeah 00:31:00 if my mom ever gets clearances I'll ask 00:31:15 haha :P and tell me 00:31:16 but that's going to be a couple of years yet :P 00:31:42 dorotea: would you mind travelling back in time to now 00:31:44 and give the answer already 00:31:44 :) 00:33:38 * joepie91 goes back to Blender 00:33:46 I'm building a house!@ 00:33:56 :D 00:33:56 (the IRC bot of 3D design) 00:34:09 soon: an irc interface to blender 00:34:28 technically easily doable 00:34:39 Python is pretty much the IRC language nowadays 00:34:40 written in python and hosted publicly, so that you could stream commands from one bot to another as a public art project 00:34:40 dont forget teh spaceshuttle joepie91 - living on earth is hard 00:34:42 and Blender scripting is Python 00:34:59 constructing a human one command at a time 00:35:05 collaborative artbots... 00:35:10 :3 00:35:11 this sounds vaguely concerning 00:35:20 it sounds vaguely AWESOME 00:37:58 Zhou Tonged - Cyprus Anthem 00:38:01 still my favorite 00:38:27 Satoshi said Don't you Worry, Don't you worry child, bitcoin has got a plan for you! 00:39:29 It's funny because the capital controls implemented in cyprus are totally present in usa already 00:39:46 theirs were a bit stricter than ours though 00:40:24 kilo, If you follow dorotea's suggestion and switch to cbc, don't use plain64 or plain IV 00:40:32 ^ 00:40:43 aes-cbc-essiv should work 00:40:52 milspec++ 00:41:19 whenever I'm encrypting anything, this song plays in my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5betFZRICVg 00:41:33 There's also "null" for IV, which is - not to be confused with plain - universally bad ;) 00:41:43 if that song played for everyone whenever they encrypted shit, encryption would be THE default 00:42:29 Heh, having stuff on dm-crypt, it'd have to play 24/7 00:42:54 absolutely 00:43:07 background music to the world 00:43:47 Sounds like some horrible dystopy ;) 00:44:10 you'd just walk around with swagger and if anybody asked questions you'd be all "nigga I'm cryptin' shit, step off" 00:44:14 MK_FG, aes-cbc-essiv:sha512, if your kernel supports it... 00:44:35 seems legit 00:44:53 Nah, cbc shucks 00:45:07 slow as fuck, yeah 00:45:17 One flipped bit propagates corruption to second block half 00:45:25 Also slow - has to be chained 00:45:43 And probably have some weird vulns too 00:45:56 k cleaning the bits again 00:45:57 xts is too green imo 00:46:14 rc4 ftw 00:46:20 if that song played for everyone whenever they encrypted shit, encryption would be THE default 00:46:22 nonono 00:46:24 sec 00:46:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSDGuqF6aZI 00:46:34 ! 00:46:54 MK_FG:) y u trawlin 00:47:18 oh god no 00:47:23 :) 00:47:23 not this shit 00:47:31 there's a fucking reason I turned the music off that game 00:47:40 :D 00:49:00 okay fine 00:49:01 dorotea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5PvBzDlZGs 00:49:18 tahhhh MK_FG 00:49:27 ESSIV adds some entropy to prevent same text cyphered on the same way, The XTS does not commonly use ESSIV because the XTS provides another mechanism rather than IV number. 00:49:33 .woogle it 00:50:05 I have better elevator music than this O.o 00:50:58 kilo, Yes, that's why you need essiv with cbc 00:51:39 "entropy" seem like a weird word for totally deterministic thing ;) 00:51:48 (i.e. hashed block number) 00:52:01 lol deterministic entropy 00:52:11 might as well ask the user for random numbers 00:52:39 1. Encrypt with random IV 2. ??? 3. Profit! 00:53:12 omg 00:53:21 I got an ad on youtube to be a CIA officer 00:53:39 and in the most telling slip ever, they said "Learn from past intel officers" 00:53:40 Resistance is futile 00:53:44 you charming :P 00:53:48 past, not former or retired 00:53:56 because they know that once an intel officer always an intel officer 00:54:49 Same can probably be said about every profession :P 00:55:10 well but that's the joke with spooks 00:55:24 everybody retires, but they never really stop working for the agency 00:56:00 Now I wonder why such thing exists 00:56:59 my discrete math teacher was that way 00:57:22 oh yeah, because a cia sigint op of 30 years is really going to retire and teach one class at a local college 00:57:50 Sure, why not? 00:58:33 because of the intel industry in town 00:58:33 :P 00:58:52 Wat 00:59:01 Intel in town? ;) 00:59:07 I thought it was inside 00:59:14 ;D 00:59:27 * dorotea blows intel all over MK_FG's face 00:59:56 * dorotea mails a letter to putin apoligizing for violating airspace 01:00:21 lol 01:00:23 http://imgur.com/gallery/ePlLP 01:00:29 No need, he read that already 01:00:41 assuming that is not faked, this guy is incredibly screwed 01:01:47 Doesn't seem that bad to take nap under a desk 01:02:01 yeah I don't actually see a problem with it 01:02:15 Shows dedication 01:02:38 Like, you didn't ran away home to sleep, but so hardcore you even sleep at a workplace 01:02:54 MK_FG: the problem is that you're using logic 01:02:57 this is management 01:03:00 logic is irrelevant 01:03:01 :P 01:03:03 Yes! 01:03:09 also 01:03:10 http://i.imgur.com/iPdBxSw.jpg 01:03:13 What they want is obedience and blind following 01:03:16 also http://i.imgur.com/i3eLl.jpg 01:03:19 also http://i.imgur.com/cVO8x.gif 01:03:24 Which is what the thing displays! 01:03:29 Like, being a good drone 01:03:31 god imgur is so awful 01:03:35 I just went to upload an image 01:03:38 and I got lost in gifs 01:03:38 :( 01:03:56 You don't have to watch them all you know 01:04:31 lol: http://imgur.com/gallery/0cR2kUC 01:04:33 MK_FG; WRONG 01:04:35 THEY DEMAND IT 01:04:35 :( 01:05:07 Oh 01:05:38 waaaaaait 01:05:38 The voices? 01:05:40 a moment 01:05:40 where 01:05:44 did the "direct image URL" go 01:05:47 on imgur 01:06:13 anyway 01:06:14 http://i.imgur.com/QmpQvQb.png 01:07:06 Windows look unnecessarily small for a house for people to live in 01:07:17 .. 01:07:18 And if it's a barn, shape seem to be a bit wrong 01:07:21 * joepie91 stares at MK_FG 01:07:33 What? what? 01:07:37 it's my first real Blender thing okay :( 01:07:51 But it's not a blender thing ;) 01:08:14 wat 01:08:50 * dorotea blenders your thing 01:09:14 I mean, more of a conceptual thing than execution (in blender) 01:09:20 that reminds me to watch inception again 01:09:21 hehe: http://i.imgur.com/pOuUPES.jpg 01:09:26 MK_FG: confused 01:09:30 that was an amazing movie 01:09:50 Meeh 01:10:01 Overhyped! 01:10:06 (is the word) 01:10:23 the word, yes, but I don't listen to hype 01:10:34 YOU CREATE IT 01:10:35 can't be overhyped if you never heard hype ;) 01:10:56 * joepie91 is much confused and goes back to Blender 01:11:11 much blender. very primitive. wow. 01:11:17 * dorotea ducks 01:11:25 https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro/Modeling_a_Simple_Person 01:11:29 "Modeling a Simple Person" 01:11:32 "Simple Person" 01:11:34 "Person" 01:11:36 simpleton! 01:11:43 The retarded one? 01:11:43 that does not even remotely look like anything you could call a "person" 01:11:51 1: draw a couple of circles 01:11:51 "stick figure", at best 01:11:53 2: make them 3d 01:12:01 3: fill in the rest of the human 01:12:07 4: done! 01:12:08 lol 01:12:11 Hey, stick figures can also have personality 01:12:20 sounds like those "draw mickey mouse" tutorials in the donald duck magazines here 01:12:22 (see xkcd) 01:12:57 NOMS 01:13:32 NP: [Alison Mosshart and Carla Azar - Tomorrow Never Knows] [Sucker Punch] [854kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.5.6 01:13:51 I love that movie too :D 01:14:23 because nothing is cooler than fighting world war 2 era clockwork powered reanimated zombies with a mech painted with pink bunnies 01:14:42 and using fuel air bombs against dragons 01:15:09 Its meta layers are weird 01:15:23 absolutely 01:15:28 that's why I love it 01:15:34 I hate movies that are straightforward 01:15:53 except when they're shitty action movies, those are alright. blow shit up, don't look into the explosion. 01:19:01 *** d4 has quit (Ping timeout) 01:19:46 the only comedy I like is "men who stare at goats" :D 01:19:48 best movie ever 01:26:56 *** joepie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 01:27:21 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 01:27:28 .welcome joepie91 01:27:28 joepie91 : welcome to #crytocc! 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You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 01:36:32 http://owely.com/413hBNd 01:36:34 lol dorotea 01:36:46 lol tubepeople 01:36:53 :3 01:51:14 Alienz 01:51:32 dorotea, Did you see the recent Wolf movie? 01:52:05 nope 01:52:06 I've heard it's something very meta like Sucker Punch, also delivers said thing and is basically a comedy 01:55:27 hmm 01:55:37 name of movie? 01:55:55 *** Cypher has quit (User quit: Leaving) 01:56:05 just wolf, 2013? 01:56:46 "wolf of wall street" or something like that 01:57:00 scorcese/dicaprio 01:57:18 oh! 01:57:24 the one everyone's bitching about right now 01:57:30 Heheh 01:57:34 Yeah 01:57:36 excellent 01:57:52 everyone groaning at a movie is usually a good indication that it should be seen 01:58:23 Though it's always safe bet to go see hobbit instead ;) 02:00:34 seen it 02:00:36 :) 02:01:28 ! 02:01:31 dorotea 02:01:36 well-known Dutch newspaper 02:01:40 is going to accept BTC 02:01:45 for articles from their archive 02:01:54 (that previously required a subscription to the newspaper as a whole) 02:02:06 paypal/ideal already supported, BTC/creditcards being added soon 02:03:54 absolutely solid 02:04:05 what like 50c or 1$/article or something? 02:04:48 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: WeeChat 0.4.2) 02:04:49 10 cents per article, but (for now) requires 5 euro per top-up 02:04:54 10 eurocents 02:04:58 not dollar cents 02:05:00 :P 02:05:04 *** tmbucky (tmbucky@cryto-BEEF7E88.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 02:05:10 also, apparently porn.com also accepts BTC 02:05:40 makes sense 02:05:41 What, people actually pay for the news!? 02:05:59 10c is a great price, and 5bucks ain't much buy-in 02:06:01 Or rather "news" 02:06:25 *** tmbucky has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 02:07:28 Though come to think of it, I was subscribed to lwn for a few years until pre-last month or so... 02:07:41 :P 02:07:48 MK_FG: actually... 02:07:49 sec 02:08:00 https://decorrespondent.nl/home 02:08:07 this kind of news outlet is absolutely worth a subscription 02:08:25 investigative journalism, well-researched and well-sourced pieces (with sources and references in the side-line) 02:08:29 I don't mind paying for news or "news" as it aligns business interests with mine 02:08:51 Heh, they also have "news" in quotes ;) 02:08:52 and most of all, if you share an article, others don't hit a paywall 02:08:56 you can directly link to the article 02:09:12 Yeah, same thing as with lwn 02:09:20 Link on irc - no problem \o/ 02:11:04 * joepie91 sighs 02:11:08 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u89qv/why_the_nsa_revelations_make_me_worried_about_the/ 02:11:20 the weekly "but NSA!" fear-post appears on /r/bitcoin 02:11:43 would be nice if people realized that traditional banking systems all use the exact same crypto, thus you're going to be fucked either way 02:12:09 not to mention "It all seems very ambitious to be the product of a single individual." 02:12:22 because apparently because he isn't ambitious, anybody else on the globe who is, is automatically suspect 02:12:25 or sometthing 02:13:08 Well, now that I know NSA "observes" me, I'm boned 02:13:14 Better go kill myself 02:13:30 NSA is lulzy 02:13:53 thing is, what the NSA is doing -is- a problem, and it -is- a potential issue for Bitcoin 02:14:06 but depicting it as a "ticking timebomb"... is leaving out context at best 02:14:28 because at the point where Bitcoin is compromised through NSA fuckery, so is quite literally everything else related to money 02:14:44 I think it's a potential problem for much more than just bitcoin 02:14:52 it's the usual "yeah, it's a problem with Bitcoin, but it isn't EXCLUSIVE to Bitcoin" 02:14:53 And I thought that was your point as well.. 02:15:01 which is a concept people seem to be unable to grasp 02:15:07 MK_FG: pretty much 02:15:38 I mean, coming up with solutions to these problems (or even trying to do so) is great 02:15:57 but sitting behind your keyboard on /r/bitcoin, posting threads where you're magnifying a universal issue for one particular thing (Bitcoin) 02:16:01 ... isn't really going to help anybody 02:16:09 :/ 02:16:28 Well... 02:16:44 Someone can always profit from FUD :P 02:16:52 So it might help them! 02:17:35 heh: http://www.coindesk.com/man-bitcoin-buy-paradise-nicaragua/ 02:17:40 Like the self-appointed messiah exposing bitcoin conspiracy actually 02:20:45 Wait, ex-banker fellow buys piece of paradise and then moans on how banking system is unfair and criminal 02:20:53 ......... 02:20:54 .title http://gizmodo.com/5982853/aol-earns-most-of-its-money-from-subscribers 02:20:55 Yeah, sure, he's basically the proof of it :P 02:20:56 joepie91: AOL Still Earns Most of Its Money From Dialup Subscribers 02:21:11 MK_FG: lol 03:05:39 dorotea, I like my routing to arvel now :D 03:05:41 http://sprunge.us/SUXU 03:11:57 joepie91:) much nicer :D 03:12:08 maaaan 03:12:11 world of warcraft 03:12:19 YURTLE THE TUUUUURTLEEEEE 03:19:54 lol 03:19:57 anon mask for BTC: https://btcstore.eu/guy-fawkes-maski-keltainen 03:28:40 :< 03:28:46 sad droplr is sad 03:28:56 I was about to post that in here 03:28:57 but yeah, http://droplr.tumblr.com/ 03:28:58 assholes 03:29:00 but mostly WoW 03:29:03 and wine 03:29:07 "hey thanks for making us what we are, now please pay or gtfo" 03:29:10 and now pizza and carrot cake 03:29:13 :D 03:29:42 * joepie91 puts Droplr in "asshole" list 03:30:18 yeah. 03:30:24 way to screw old users 03:37:55 without these people, they wouldn't have had a goddamn business to begin with 03:42:27 *** HiveResearch has quit (Ping timeout) 03:44:22 I get so tired of this 03:44:54 I say that commercial anything is an awful idea because it leads to "profit over ethics" mentality, I get people bitching at me that "that's too wide a brush, you can do business ethically" 03:44:59 then the moment something unethical happens 03:45:06 the default justification is "yeah, that's just how business works" 03:45:07