00:01:07 must... release.. kraken 00:06:04 *** mama has quit (User quit: ciao ciao) 00:52:09 *** Cryto893 (Cryto893@8A5DD160.E9ECA7EA.B3E8AFF.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:52:32 *** Cryto893 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 00:52:47 *** Cryto063 (Cryto063@8A5DD160.E9ECA7EA.B3E8AFF.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:53:05 *** hrh23 has quit (Input/output error) 00:53:22 *** hrh23 (trubo@hrh23.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:53:35 *** Cryto063 has parted #crytocc () 01:46:27 *** Cypher (Cypher@Cypher.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:25:31 *** Cryto297 (Cryto297@C75C93ED.5B5FC422.5F1FD475.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:26:08 *** Cryto297 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 02:46:57 *** joepie91 (joepie91@cryto-3E6002EF.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #crytocc 02:50:26 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 02:59:38 o/ joepie91 02:59:53 where u been doe. 03:00:54 good 2 c u on. :3 03:01:02 *** Thor (numz@cryto-18FB1FE5.bu.edu) has joined #crytocc 03:01:09 c0y: joepie91 in da house. 03:01:14 woot. 03:07:32 *** Cypher has quit (User quit: Leaving) 03:13:24 morning 03:13:31 MK_FG: so I've watched that video 03:13:33 and a few concerns 03:13:48 * it requires an e-mail address of some sort, it seems... 03:14:03 (which is not always desirable for for example pseudonymous accounts) 03:14:45 * there's a point of authentication centralization and thus a single point of failure (Mozilla handles both verification of providers that do not support the protocol, and hosts the login/auth page) 03:15:10 * you need to insert third-party scripting (although this will supposedly be fixed) 03:15:15 and the most important one 03:15:18 * it requires javascript. 03:18:12 Yeah, it's browserid, and browser==js these days ;) 03:19:15 JS with mozilla stuff should be fixable, and maybe already fixed - that video should be like year old 03:19:40 I mean, it's just js to send some requests and display results 03:20:28 Guess they'd very much prefer to keep it updated in one central place (mozilla), at least in the beginning where there might be many updates 03:20:58 And true about email, naturally, but usually both site and openid provider need this anyway 03:23:05 Don't think openid does anything like "verification of providers that do not support the protocol" at all? 03:25:32 I wonder if Persona has same phishing issue as OpenID - probably not if it'll ever be part of a browser, but until then it doesn't seem to ask for any extra creds in that popup either 03:26:15 additionally, * what if your e-mail address changes? 03:26:50 Yeah, it's browserid, and browser==js these days ;) 03:26:52 yeah, except no 03:27:23 Yeah, some defined mechanism for migrating email might've been nice, haven't heard/read about one there 03:28:06 Well, OAuth2 has some non-js flows, I think, but fairly sure I didn't see them used ever 03:29:03 I also wonder if you move that js/popup away from Mozilla, where will it store credentials in-browser 03:29:32 I mean, ideally all such "moved" instances should share them in kinda identical way then 03:29:57 Might be why it'll never get moved out of mozilla 03:30:42 (until/unless integrated) 03:31:31 And actually integration also should fix the tracking issue which it should share with oauth/openid, implemented as it is now 03:31:52 I also wonder if you move that js/popup away from Mozilla, where will it store credentials in-browser 03:31:52 I mean, ideally all such "moved" instances should share them in kinda identical way then 03:31:55 it's in localstorage 03:31:59 ...or maybe not so much, if js from mozilla gets cached 03:32:00 which is origin-specific 03:32:04 Yeah 03:32:06 so you can't access it from other domains 03:32:26 and yes, afaik openid has non-JS flows 03:32:50 idk, I'm not convinced that browserid is the way to go 03:33:00 Note that I was talking about oauth2 there, but I think also applies to openid 03:33:21 It seem to make so much more sense as a browser feature than separate js thing 03:33:33 Then all mozilla-centric concerns just go away 03:34:36 oh, I glossed over that and parsed it as 'openid' heh 03:34:45 but yeah 03:34:48 as a browser feature 03:34:55 you get the issue with browser-specificness 03:34:59 also 03:35:06 mozilla-centric concerns do -not- go away 03:35:10 you still have the email verification 03:35:33 which means there is some kind of explicitly trusted Mozilla key integrated into the thing 03:35:38 because otherwise that would never be possible 03:35:42 Well, not all of them, sure 03:35:55 My main concern though is tracking 03:36:13 Like when openid provider knows everything you do with its auth 03:36:28 At least that thing should go ;) 03:36:53 my main concerns are tracking and spoofing 03:37:01 the former could maaaaaybe be solved 03:37:04 the latter, not so 03:37:12 as long as they have the unsupported provider thing 03:37:40 unrelated: "Now there's no need to sign in to PayPal. You can complete your transaction right here on our secure site! All data is encrypted with the latest encryption technology, so you never have to worry about your card details falling into the wrong hands. We take your security seriously." 03:37:42 Spoofing of what, in that case? 03:38:00 perhaps somebody should inform these guys that "latest encryption technology" is a bug, not a feature... 03:38:12 MK_FG: authentication 03:38:24 Heh, that can mean "good enc tech" too! 03:38:35 no, it means latest enc tech 03:38:39 nothing beyond that 03:38:42 and that is usually bad 03:38:46 and thus not a selling point 03:38:47 anyway 03:38:51 mozilla is a central point of authority 03:38:59 they can sign for arbitrary providers 03:39:06 that's a problem. 03:40:00 Nah, I don't think even such nitpicker as you always interpret "latest technology" as "latest as in developed at the most recent date" 03:40:18 There's plenty of tech that is e.g. developed and not yet implemented 03:41:06 So that doesn't mean "latest" doesn't apply to something that's is in line with latest tech trends (which might mean older stuff) 03:42:28 US non-profit as an extra central point indeed sounds bad these days ;) 03:43:42 Getting away from that would probably mean getting an mail domain that have proper support for that auth, which doesn't sound super-bad 04:11:15 Nah, I don't think even such nitpicker as you always interpret "latest technology" as "latest as in developed at the most recent date" 04:11:17 that is what they say 04:11:23 if it's not what I mean, they should not be saying it 04:11:24 simple 04:11:32 that's how marketing buzzword bullshit comes into existence 04:11:39 US non-profit as an extra central point indeed sounds bad these days ;) 04:11:42 country doesn't matter 04:11:45 any central point is bad 04:11:50 and has always been 04:12:09 it's just that people are only now realizing that those people shouting "NEVER HAVE A SPOF" all those years, actually had a point 04:12:26 but it's not as if the situation has suddenly changed or anything, besides public perspective 04:12:47 *** Thor has quit (User quit: Quitte) 04:13:04 SPOF still a trade-off, so one SPOF is/was/can-be worse than other 04:13:20 Hence, since $events, US SPOF sounds extra bad ;) 04:13:33 And i.e. SPOF in my room isn't that bad 04:14:15 Also disagree with the fact that your meaning of "latest" is sane, even I use it in more fuzzy way 04:34:22 *** DrWhat (KepiaGod@cryto-E4E49719.threembb.co.uk) has joined #crytocc 04:34:43 im sexy 04:40:10 *** DrWhat has quit (Client exited) 04:49:12 *** DrWhat (KepiaGod@cryto-E4E49719.threembb.co.uk) has joined #crytocc 04:49:28 *** DrWhat has quit (Client exited) 04:49:47 *** DrWhat (KepiaGod@cryto-E4E49719.threembb.co.uk) has joined #crytocc 04:49:57 if you fall in love 05:56:58 *** Charles (Charles@Charles.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:05:03 *** tmbucky (tmbucky@cryto-9C800AF6.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 06:06:25 *** tmbucky has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 06:07:22 *** Charles has quit (Client exited) 06:27:29 *** Cryto018 (Cryto018@cryto-B3A9252B.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #crytocc 06:29:44 *** Cryto018 has quit (User quit: 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by posting links) on the location of materials that may contain such propaganda or agitation; 10:14:25 7.7.2. use the Service to promote suicide, to download, store and disseminate information that describes methods of suicide and any incitement to commit it; information on narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances, including information about the distribution of drugs, recipes for their manufacture and use tips and power, refer to the Service by any means (including by posting links) to the location of materials 10:14:25 that may contain such propaganda or specified information; 10:34:14 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 10:53:19 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:59:45 *** saint (saint@saint) has joined #crytocc 11:03:55 * saint e' away (..ooOOoo..) 11:05:45 *** saint has parted #crytocc (Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 11:28:09 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 11:48:36 *** cipolla855 (cipolla855@cryto-18FB1FE5.bu.edu) has joined #crytocc 11:54:21 *** cipolla855 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 12:25:34 https://github.com/46bit/subway 12:50:18 *** hrh23 has quit (Ping timeout) 13:00:30 *** ronald-v4338 (ronald-v43@cryto-6A97559.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 13:09:31 *** ronald-v4338 has quit (Client exited) 13:17:20 joepie91, Points above are used to ban sites here since two years ago, though there should also be similar piracy thing somewhere 13:17:36 MK_FG: was just pointing out the quality of translation 13:17:38 :) 13:17:44 those lines were originally in Russian 13:17:46 and were Google-translated 13:17:59 Is it mail.ru storage service ToS? ;) 13:18:22 yup 13:18:29 *** clifton-u6563 (clifton-u6@cryto-6A97559.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 13:18:32 signed up for the 1TB 13:18:34 well 13:18:35 100G 13:18:43 probably just sold my soul to the Russian mafia 13:18:46 but that's still better than Facebook 13:18:48 so, eh 13:18:58 :P 13:19:26 might install their client in a VM some time soon 13:19:30 to claim the 1TB 13:20:12 They had quite a weird ToS at the beginning of that offer - http://habrahabr.ru/post/207780/ 13:20:39 That explicitly said that by uploading you transfer all rights for mail.ru to use your content as it sees fit 13:21:04 MK_FG: oh, I actually kind of assumed that it still said that 13:21:05 they changed it? 13:21:24 Yeah, apologized and said that it was a mistake 13:21:27 (when you have "here you go free 1TB" offers, that's usually the catch) 13:21:31 ah 13:21:31 right 13:21:32 :P 13:21:36 well, unexpectedly good news then! 13:21:48 But yeah, mail.ru in general is very slimy thing 13:21:56 oh, I don't doubt that 13:22:07 actually, MK_FG, thoughts on pochta.ru? 13:22:09 idk if it still exists 13:22:17 but it used to be my email provider, pre-gmail 13:22:40 they were the only provider to offer 50MB of space :P 13:22:51 everybody else was still stuck at 10MB or so 13:23:11 They have locally popular IM networks (ICQ, QiP client, etc) and mail, control (buy rights and hold servers here) of popular online games - Allods 2, PW, Aion, etc - AND are well-known for developing spyware in the open... 13:23:23 mail.ru? 13:23:31 You can get 10G from disk.yandex.ru 13:23:33 or pochta? 13:23:36 Yeah, that was about mail.ru 13:23:40 ah right 13:23:59 Don't know much about pochta.ru 13:24:44 *** clifton-u6563 has quit (Client exited) 13:25:23 Oh, also mail.ru bought local "classmates" clone - odnoklasniki - so really creepy local internet silo ;) 13:25:54 heh 13:26:03 the facebook+yahoo of Russia 13:26:04 :) 13:26:31 facebook is usually reserved for vk ;) 13:26:33 with a bit of malware mafia mixed in, no doubt 13:26:38 well yeah 13:26:41 but VK seems pretty isolated 13:26:45 Yeah 13:26:48 not trying to get their paws into everything 13:26:50 like facebook does 13:26:57 just "we are VK, this is our site, that's it" 13:27:01 Same actually for yandex, which is kinda local-google 13:27:33 I never really understood the position of Yandex 13:27:43 it's been around forever, but seems like a kind of 'underdog' still 13:28:03 yet one of the most well-known Russian internet platforms known to non-Russians 13:28:14 I think it's still more popular search for russian part of the internet, yeah 13:28:27 Google and others historically have been pretty bad at it 13:28:31 ah 13:28:45 so pretty much the askjeeves of Russia then :P 13:28:56 except not gone under 13:28:56 And didn't have features like local search (i.e. "only search in your city") up until very recently 13:29:08 I see 13:29:11 weird 13:29:20 west-european googles have had that for years 13:30:27 When they started to have competition from google in search here (far from real threat though), they also got huge contracts with a lot of local bussinesses and developed in-country services like train/bus/whatever-transport schedules, market.yandex.ru, yandex-money and such 13:31:09 These are also fairly popular here and I imagine more accurate 13:32:15 *** geoffrey-e6925 (geoffrey-e@cryto-6A97559.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 13:35:40 MK_FG: heh 13:35:45 well at least they know how2market 13:38:39 Yeah 13:39:26 I was actually surprised to see them in one of the DuckDuckGo sources, apparently they also know how to market to others, maybe to google as well? ;) 13:39:42 ("others" meaning "not just local market") 13:49:32 :) 13:57:33 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 14:05:04 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-6F37F20.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 14:06:26 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 14:14:47 *** x (foobar@C35CA8A8.589C91BA.8F6A2B14.IP) has joined #crytocc 14:30:58 *** multihate (root@multihate.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:54:23 sven@linux-rfa7:~/Downloads/LightTable> ./LightTable 14:54:24 libudev.so.0 or libudev.so.1 not found in any of /lib /lib64 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /usr/lib /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu. 14:54:25 * joepie91 claps 14:54:36 the one directory that it is in, is missing 14:54:40 /usr/lib64 14:54:41 I mean, really 14:56:58 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 14:58:43 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:01:19 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:33:15 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 15:37:49 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 15:46:22 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:46:27 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:03:29 lol 16:03:47 I'm watching this Hetzner ad on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQQNGqnjGYM 16:04:10 the first interviewee goes like "what's pleasant at Hetzner is that you can get a soda or a coffee, free of charge!" 16:08:40 * MK_FG runs for his soda 16:09:03 Oh, it's for employees, bummer 17:42:06 *** DrWhat (KepiaGod@cryto-E4E49719.threembb.co.uk) has joined #crytocc 17:43:25 *** DrWhat has quit (Client exited) 17:58:37 *** joepie91 has 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Aaron | Electronic Frontier Foundation 21:33:43 i had sex with aaron 22:07:18 botpie91, tell joepie91 where the hell are you 22:07:19 DrWhat: I'll pass that on when joepie91 is around. 22:19:43 oh, hi drwhaat 22:19:54 *** kilo has quit (Ping timeout) 22:20:51 *** kilo (kilo@kilo.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:21:19 *** botpie91 has quit (Ping timeout) 22:23:11 *** kilo has quit (Input/output error) 22:23:32 *** kilo (kilo@kilo.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:33:28 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: WeeChat 0.4.2) 22:33:36 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:39:40 *** Cypher has quit (User quit: Leaving) 23:34:22 *** IR601 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 23:34:54 *** IR601 (root@cryto-E0B662A7.abu.se.net) has joined #crytocc 23:41:17 botpie died 23:41:26 thats not good