00:15:11 *** DrWhat has quit (User quit: ✟ ₦Ҿ₢⃝№щΐ₵ᴑᴎ⁸ ✞ ☠) 00:29:27 *** eckorising (eckorising@cryto-AC9048AD.myops.de) has joined #crytocc 01:03:25 *** eckorising has quit (User quit: Page closed) 01:20:38 *** achus (achus@achus.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 02:57:06 fuck 02:57:10 tonight's gonna be a shitshow 03:05:03 *** eggtimer (eggtimer@cryto-ED819B8F.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 03:06:24 *** eggtimer has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 03:23:56 joepie91:) good rant on the mozilla post 03:24:21 joepie91:) I always steal quotes from http://www.textfiles.com/thoughts/advertising.html 03:24:50 most often: "This is a very, very powerful message, if you don't notice the Pimp behind it." 03:31:24 speaking of pimps, it's time for wow 03:31:51 I spell my name with two D's, for a double dose of my pimp action 03:55:11 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 04:12:58 *** crytoweb699 (crytoweb69@D407A1F0.8D296B3F.CB4998DC.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:15:54 *** Cryto001 (Cryto001@cryto-54326F0E.ipredator.se) has joined #crytocc 04:16:58 *** Cryto001 has parted #crytocc () 04:17:21 *** AnonyOps has quit (Connection reset by peer) 04:28:14 *** crytoweb699 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 05:29:22 *** gesichtskirmes (kirmes@gesichtskirmes.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 06:20:04 *** gesichtskirmes has quit (User quit: Leaving) 06:35:12 *** DJNeubs (DJNeubs@cryto-D18FFCF6.new.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 06:57:05 *** jjjj (jjjj@cryto-36148AD2.prtc.net) has joined #crytocc 06:58:20 *** jjjj has quit (User quit: Leaving) 07:08:34 *** DJNeubs has quit (User quit: ) 08:06:14 *** AnonyOps (anonyops@AnonyOps.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 08:06:22 @joepie91 08:06:28 You up? 08:57:00 aw yeah 08:57:07 Congratulations! The node CrytoDotNet4 (id: 00F1 2AB0 35D6 2C91 9A1F 37C2 A671 44F1 7ACC 9E75) you've been observing has been running for 61 days with an average bandwidth of 1595 KB/s,which makes the operator eligible to receive an official Tor T-shirt! 08:57:26 AnonyOps: yes, hai 10:08:41 *** howhigh (howhigh@42D3D25E.6E347F40.E1EB1728.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:08:43 *** howhigh has quit (User quit: howhigh) 10:08:59 *** howhogh (howhogh@42D3D25E.6E347F40.E1EB1728.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:10:39 huh. 10:10:40 http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/7-patents-held-by-the-nsa-from-data-center-manholes-to-1522133418/+mattnovak 12:05:03 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-A20C178B.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 12:06:24 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 12:25:42 *** achus has quit (Ping timeout) 12:47:25 *** Sonic (Mcloven@cryto-9F42E372.static.internode.on.net) has joined #crytocc 12:51:25 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 12:55:39 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:19:49 *** MarcosSMBT (AnonLemmin@516DFE86.EB902BF1.3A5B19FE.IP) has joined #crytocc 13:20:11 Howdy 13:36:56 .welcome MarcosSMBT 13:36:57 MarcosSMBT: welcome to #crytocc! 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You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 13:36:58 and hai :) 13:38:30 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Marked Objective-C Autocompletion ready for Sublime Text 3', '02Merge pull request #2829 from oliverseal/masterMarked Objective-C Autocompletion ready for Sublime Text 3' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/e51d397fea...6d482d77c0) 13:41:02 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add Packages: Theme - amCoder.', '02Merge pull request #2831 from auiWorks/masterAdd Packages: Theme - amCoder' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/6d482d77c0...63967486c2) 13:41:32 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02OmniDocs now supports ST2', '02Merge pull request #2832 from bordaigorl/masterOmniDocs now supports ST2' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/63967486c2...94cc35c683) 13:49:33 *** howhogh has quit (Ping timeout) 14:24:57 *** achus (achus@achus.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:17:13 *** Prototype (Prototype@C5CD759B.3FA32D13.7035584F.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:18:20 *** Prototype has quit (User quit: Leaving) 15:25:09 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 15:47:24 dorotea: hey look, Pando linked to my post: http://pando.com/2014/02/10/blame-game-embattled-mt-gox-points-to-flaws-in-bitcoin-protocol-bitcoin-community-calls-bs/ 16:01:50 FREE DUNGEON KEEPER! http://www.gog.com/ 16:02:32 joepie91:) :D 16:02:57 carney.... I forget if that's one of the nsfwcorp people 16:03:09 I think not, since the lede photo is not hand-drawn 16:03:32 (that's how you can tell if it's nsfwcorp inside pando) 16:03:39 *** monod (monod@cryto-9B87BA4D.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #crytocc 16:03:50 hey there 16:04:02 joepie91, I come just to say one thing to you, one thing you need to know :D 16:04:08 ohai monod 16:04:30 (finding the words on the vocabulary :) ) 16:04:38 (lol) 16:04:46 monod: before I forget, you can get dungeon keeper for free at GOG now 16:04:47 http://www.gog.com/ 16:04:49 oooh 16:04:49 (drm-free, too) 16:05:01 :o 16:05:08 it would be so peachy-keen if they removed magicaltux from btc foundation 16:05:09 I'll check that 16:05:40 DNS server problems though 16:06:08 I can't resolve IP address unless I... ping domain names? Like if Firefox is the only one to have the problem 16:06:18 (actually, iceweasel, on Debian) 16:06:19 decent article, by the links 16:06:27 * dorotea didn't read the article, just the links :D 16:06:44 monod: weird 16:06:55 I fear of some security issue 16:07:19 nslookup wordreference.com 16:07:19 ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached 16:07:19 D: 16:07:28 security issues are usually not something you notice 16:07:32 by design 16:07:33 :P 16:07:47 monod: try setting different DNS servers 16:07:53 such as (the evil) 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 16:07:59 yet I know that my iceweasel version can't update since a few days and I have a reminder popping out at every boot of debian 16:08:02 ops 16:08:04 evil and easy as fuck and doesn't nxdomain 16:08:06 I'm using the evil one 16:08:19 nxdomain, what's that? 16:08:27 level3 nxdomain hijacks, joepie91 16:08:33 and why is that an evil one? 16:08:40 4.2.2.x, they all hijack now 16:08:41 dorotea: 8.8.8.8 -does- nxdomain 16:08:42 that's a feature 16:08:43 :P 16:08:48 monod: it's google 16:08:49 bleargh 16:08:53 joepie91:) when? I've never once seen it 16:08:57 indeed, that's why I considered it evil too! 16:09:02 dorotea: NXDOMAIN == the response returned when doesn't exist 16:09:03 (because of google's) 16:09:05 that's what you want 16:09:17 what you DON'T want is a spoofed response instead of NXDOMAIN 16:09:19 like l3 does 16:09:26 joepie91:) stop picking at my words, I used hijack later for a reason 16:09:36 any link to learn more about these hijacks? 16:09:48 these specific ones 16:09:50 l3 nxdomani 16:09:51 dorotea: my original response was before your correction... 16:09:54 domain* 16:10:01 oh wait, I'll just google them 16:10:03 lulz 16:10:09 monod: the short version is that if you use level3's DNS servers, they will show you ad/search pages when a domain doesn't exist 16:10:13 by pretending that the domain DOES exist 16:10:18 and pointing at their own servers 16:10:22 which breaks an incredible amount of shit 16:10:25 and is very annoying 16:10:26 joepie91:) do you have extremely high latency? because I used correct terminology twice before you responded even once 16:10:27 oh 16:10:36 dorotea: quite possibly 16:10:51 by the way he only has Fiber :D 16:11:00 ah 16:11:08 monod: but yeah, try using 8.8.8.8... and I'm still waiting for what you wanted to say :D 16:11:15 don't know if you know about the latency though, dorotea :D 16:11:42 joepie91, of course! because I wanted to find words on wordreference.com XD I'll try and do it without dictionary then 16:11:54 alright 16:12:08 I kinda "learned", or understood, the importance of open source thanks to you stressing it very much. 16:12:14 whoa, words found. 16:12:23 that's a short version 16:12:36 *** mama (me@cryto-B0C4579.swordarmor.fr) has joined #crytocc 16:12:48 that is: I wanted to say that your stressing of open-source's importance has made me wonder about things 16:12:59 and I found an example in which open-source would DEFINITELY make a huge difference 16:13:07 like in.... public administration! 16:13:42 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 16:14:16 and still no DNS response with 8.8.4.4 too 16:15:41 I can engleesh! 16:16:37 *** monod has quit (User quit: serious issues!) 16:16:50 I like that they're referring to silicon valley tech firms as having "an incestuous board of directors" 16:19:51 botpie91, tell monod "awesome :)" 16:19:52 joepie91: I'll pass that on when monod is around. 16:22:56 *** Stassi (Stassi__@cryto-1D51B44C.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 16:25:17 *** monod (~pmpf@cryto-4157885C.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #crytocc 16:25:23 uhm 16:25:23 monod: 16:19Z tell monod "awesome :)" 16:25:35 router rebooted and all seems to work fine again 16:26:15 alright 16:26:18 cya later! 16:26:46 *** monod has quit (User quit: yeah, it's awesome joepie91!:)) 16:38:37 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 17:08:56 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 17:09:08 *** mama (me@cryto-96ABCC15.torproxy-readme-arachnide-fr-35.fr) has joined #crytocc 17:11:35 shit's scary man, comcast is trying to buy time warner cable 17:21:10 *** djneubs (djneubs@cryto-D18FFCF6.new.res.rr.com) has joined #crytocc 17:23:55 man 17:24:01 something is broke as shit in iceweasel 17:24:21 it's just LOL NETWORKING WHAT IS THAT all over my face 17:25:45 dorotea: :( 17:26:08 *** DrWhat (Ana.Conda@DrWhat.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:26:21 4Cuddling joepie91 ..feel the warmth and softness of her body slowly ... up its own approach to his lips and whispering says:"..If i won`t kiss you now I do not know when I will have the courage to do it again..."...at the end....4i will kiss you gently 17:27:13 4Wishes for his sweetest Love13 joepie91  17:27:13 11,1HAPPY ST VALENTINES DAY!! 17:27:13 4Gives a present of 12,1BACI PERUGINA a13 joepie91 17:29:03 her? 17:29:21 that said, /me cuddles 17:30:08 Gernric message :/ 17:30:32 joepie91:) yeah it's annoying as fuck. I reported a bug to medium, but I think iceweasel's at fault 17:30:42 Idk what debian did to it, but man is it fucked 17:31:07 dorotea: is it a bork with DNS? 17:31:15 nah, shit works perfectly in chrome 17:31:15 because monod was also reporting using Iceweasel 17:31:18 both use local dns cache 17:31:22 no I mean DNS within Iceweasel 17:31:26 oh, maybe? 17:31:35 idk, everything queries my local unbound 17:31:47 how would I even troubleshoot that 17:32:04 idk 17:32:07 cause like the problem I had with medium.com sites was that iceweasel doesn't even notice their big app pack of js 17:32:19 not that the req fails or something, it doesn't even send one 17:32:40 like it's scanning the html and misses resources 17:32:49 It's... weird 17:32:57 :| 17:33:15 I'm waiting on 27 too 17:33:25 this is 26, 27 has been out for a couple weeks now 17:33:30 bothers me that they haven't updated 17:33:45 ... they have? 17:33:54 * dorotea stares at the repo full of 27.0.2 17:34:03 * dorotea stares at the repo full of 27.0-2 * 17:34:13 hmm. 17:34:19 this is more subtle 17:35:00 oh! 17:35:21 so I wonder when somebody is going to put up repos on https only 17:35:30 * dorotea is bothered by http nature of repos 17:36:25 signed/checksummed doesn't matter, I don't trust plaintext anymore :| 17:37:43 er. hmm 17:37:55 so jessie only ships esr of course 17:38:36 :O 17:38:56 ladies and gentlemen, linux now runs systemd 17:39:12 debian voted in favor, and mark shuttleworth capitulated http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 17:39:36 alright everybody, time to fix systemd :D 17:40:54 dorotea: what's the tl;dr of upstart vs systemd 17:41:36 upstart is smaller and lighter and some say faster, with amazing code quality and a dependency system 17:41:54 [who?] 17:41:55 :P 17:42:12 systemd is huge and takes over pid1 reaper capacity and thus can kernel panick when it fails, but has every fucking feature known to man and generally works quite well 17:42:25 people who support upstart say it boots faster 17:42:35 or, whatever the terminology is tehre 17:42:38 sorry I'm sick lol 17:43:05 upstart is more unix-y, you might say 17:43:21 and systemd is more ... cathedral, less bazaar 17:43:32 if that comparison makes any sense 17:44:23 like, systemd has a big bunch of apis and is heavily integrated with dbus and things, whereas upstart is pretty much a very small launcher that just picks up other apps in a defined order 17:44:55 if my hunch about platform maturity is right, systemd was the correct choice 17:46:06 (which is that unix-y model is great for bootstrapping a platform, but as it ages it trends towards larger pieces of functionality, instead of staying devolved in discrete functions contained in tiny apps that only do the one thing) 17:46:10 mm 17:46:49 I don't know if that's GOOD or not, but from that perspective I think systemd is the better choice 17:47:16 but also, if people continue to maintain upstart... it can be a platform for super-light linux distros to run on internet of things devices 17:47:21 or it could be cast that way 17:47:24 tbh both would probably work 17:47:53 (it's somewhat hard to cut through marketing material in this case, as that's the primary thing about upstart -- it was extremely heavily marketed as being THE solution) 17:48:29 whereas it seems like systemd mostly just works, but boasts less 17:48:43 my one actual nagging critique of systemd though is that it doesn't run on anything else 17:49:11 debian adopting systemd will make it fundamentally incompatible with other unixes that don't run systemd (I'm thinking freebsd specifically) 17:49:31 also it only runs x86/x64 right now 17:49:37 and probably arm in the future, but idk 17:50:03 but, like, short term, both are better than init scripts 17:50:03 lol 17:50:13 :> 17:50:29 (as long as that was, it was still a tldr) 17:50:41 motherfuckers wax poetic with this shit 17:50:44 lmao 17:52:00 I liked the big debate about this because it's a really great example of the cathedral battling the bazaar in open mail list 17:52:26 * dorotea hopes for mozilla.debian.net to work 17:53:35 fucking ipv6 addresses that start with 200* 17:53:58 everything in 2001::::: whatever do backflips before arriving at destination 17:55:15 I'm pissed that this is a workshop. what an asshole. 17:55:17 .tw https://twitter.com/rem/status/434267885490692097 17:55:18 I build nearly all my new sites entirely in devtools. If you want to learn how, I’m running a day long master class https://leftlogic.stagehq.com/events/2795 (@rem) 17:57:14 I mean I do too, but like what an asshole :D 17:57:30 :P 17:57:51 the only feature I haven't used is remote debugging 17:57:58 because, like, fuck that shit 17:58:10 it's amazing, if you're an entitled asshole with a smartphone 17:58:27 fuck, that was the funniest thing on our fieldtrip 17:58:38 we were lost and somebody goes "does anyone have a smartphone?" 17:58:48 ONE person in the car, of 5, had one. she goes 17:58:54 "Fuck, really? I'm the only one?" 17:58:55 lol 17:59:11 lol 17:59:59 it's like DUDE we're gs people 18:00:06 we KNOW those things are just big spyboxes 18:00:06 lol 18:00:54 "Afghan President Hamid Karzai carried through on a plan long dreaded by the U.S. on Thursday, releasing 65 detainees despite fervent protestations from U.S. military commanders that the men were violent insurgents who had killed American and Afghan troops in the past -- and were likely to return to the battlefield and do so again in the future." 18:00:59 shit just got real 18:01:23 let's see if karzai can curry favor by flipping us off 18:02:33 "Hopefully after the April election, we can rebuild and reset with a new government and, above all, the vast majority of Afghans, who support a positive, robust relationship between our nations," Stavridis said. 18:02:37 haha, don't kid yourself 18:02:53 they don't like the drones buzzing overhead giving them ptsd and making them wonder which family member dies today 18:08:58 *** Zekka (zekka@cryto-F50FB797.arizona.edu) has joined #crytocc 18:10:14 joe 18:10:15 joe 18:10:19 I love you joe 18:10:20 :D 18:10:32 i want you to look at some thing 18:10:38 joepie91:) oh jesus. I just read the mozillan post about tiles. that's so fucked. 18:10:50 https://github.com/DrWhatNoName/DrEvony/ 18:10:55 How did i do 18:12:21 be right back making coffee 18:14:45 joepie91:) he responded to you 18:14:51 Sven: this is a complicated and important topic. How much do we build the thing that we want, and how much do we want a general consumer product that the market adopts enough to help us push the industry toward a better place? By optimizing for the former some of us are much happier. By optimizing for the latter we have a less-perfect product, but the ability to push the industry. You are right that the latter is a part of how we are operating. I 18:14:52 think it’s key. It does mean the market -ie consumers– pull us towards what they want to live online. And we’re taking steps to pull that desire towards the openness of our idealized world. 18:15:12 * dorotea can hear the rage flowing over the wire 18:17:18 comcast owns nbc universal, wants to buy time warner 18:17:23 I just 18:23:55 bow down to your content provider overlords 18:29:12 .wa 14:00 pst in gmt 18:29:16 convert 2:00 pm PST->February 14, 2014 to GMT;10:00:00 pm GMT -> Friday, February 14, 2014;3 hours 30 minutes 46 seconds in the future;GMT->+5 hours, PST->-3 hours;Greenwich, Mean Time, , 10:00:00 pm GMT, Friday, February 14 Los Angeles,, California, , 2:00:00 pm PST, Friday, February 14 New York City,, New York, , 5:00:00 pm EST, Friday, February 14;2 hours 18:29:33 not helpful 18:31:01 add 8 mang 18:31:06 10pm 18:31:07 lol 18:31:45 22:00 if you want that 18:31:57 I don't actually know what to call that, we used to call it military time 18:32:04 I suppose everyone else just calls it "time" 18:32:04 lol 18:32:32 dorotea: pretty much lol 18:34:52 all my shit is 24h time tho, and people look at me funny cause they can't tell time on my devices 18:34:52 lol 18:35:14 someday I'd like to also convert to celsius so I'm not fucked over when I travel abroad 18:35:25 celsius is easy 18:35:34 not really 18:35:39 0 is freezing, 100 is boiling, 20 is comfortable outside temperature 18:35:40 I have to memorize new ranges 18:35:47 16 is "chilly" 18:36:02 those are all anchor points you need, really 18:36:09 er 18:36:10 wait 18:36:10 sec 18:36:20 * dorotea converts 20 and 16 because "comfortable" and "chilly" are defined vastly differently 18:36:28 37 celsius is body temp 18:36:32 does it snow at 10? 18:36:33 lol 18:36:38 wat, no 18:36:42 0 is freezing 18:36:43 what's freezing 18:36:44 oh 18:36:48 so you won't get good snow at 10 18:36:48 hmm 18:36:52 shitty wet diarrhea snow at best 18:36:55 0 or less 18:36:55 lol 18:37:01 * dorotea laughs 18:37:56 okay so 20c is 68f 18:38:05 and 16 is 60 18:38:07 got it 18:38:26 also, dorotea, celsius <-> fahrenheit is a straight scale 18:38:33 so under 16 I have to wear a coat, under 13 I have to wear my breaker 18:38:41 so if you take 0 as freezing anchor point and 100 as boiling anchor point 18:38:46 and whatever points for fahrenheit 18:38:54 you can just look at "how far across the scale" 18:38:55 for a quick estimate 18:39:09 my points in fahrenheit are 55/60/65/70+ 18:39:12 that's it 18:39:21 .c 55 fahrenheit in celsius 18:39:22 IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/phenny/phenny/modules/calc.py", line 80, in c) 18:39:22 but that's also the entire temperature range of my city 18:39:24 ... 18:39:29 VERY HELPFUL BOTPIE 18:41:51 lulz 18:42:08 so like 18:42:12 13/16/18/20 18:42:16 or so 18:42:23 I suppose 18:42:25 not quite exactly, but those are round number 18:42:30 s 18:42:57 anything under 16 is all my coats, 13 and I've gotta wear hat too 18:43:15 probably want gloves if it's under 10 18:43:18 yeah 18:43:21 that's roughly accurate 18:43:29 kay kayyy 18:43:39 it appears to be 19 here right now 18:43:53 highs 16-17 for the next week 18:45:02 amazing! http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/us/study-finds-methane-leaks-negate-climate-benefits-of-natural-gas.html?hp&_r=0 "Although burning natural gas as a transportation fuel produces 30 percent less planet-warming carbon dioxide emissions than burning diesel, the drilling and production of natural gas can lead to leaks of methane, a greenhouse gas 30 times more potent than carbon dioxide." 18:50:15 huh, I reordered my music by length on accident and it's been a fun change 18:51:48 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 18:51:50 hahaha 18:52:13 For that matter, why is Big Dog a robot? It’s a small vehicle, with legs instead of wheels, but there’s no evidence it can choose its own route or mission. With a little help from Google, your Nissan can drive home without your touching the steering wheel, but that doesn’t seem to qualify it as a “robot” or entitle it to a fraction of the press Big Dog is getting. 18:52:17 Clearly it’s those gimmicky legs, that imitation of mammal gait. Not that this gait is very fast or efficient; your Nissan is faster, smoother, quieter and can carry far more cargo on its boring old wheels—but we don’t call it a robot. 18:52:20 dorotea, systemd ran on arm linux since day-1 18:52:21 The rule seems to be that one sense of “robot” in contemporary English is something like “a machine that does a bad imitation of a living organism.” The Nissan isn’t trying to look or move like an animal, so we’re underwhelmed. Big Dog, clomping along like a bear designed by a Human Resources Department, is a robot and a delight. 18:52:29 MK_FG:) excellent! 18:52:32 But *linux*, not anything else 18:52:39 yeah, no *bsd 18:52:43 which is what makes me a sad 19:14:33 oh fuck 19:14:43 263 packages upgraded, 18 newly installed, 10 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 19:14:43 Need to get 255 MB of archives. After unpacking 4,520 kB will be used. 19:14:46 what happened, debian 19:14:50 that's a BIG package push 19:15:36 oooh, new dns infrastructure 19:15:39 and db 19:16:05 fucking shit man, it's like a whole new os 19:16:41 oooooh 19:16:52 it's cause I'm pulling in unstable 19:16:53 D: 19:17:36 fuckit :D 19:28:42 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:35:16 dorotea: heh. it IS a whole new os! 19:37:27 :D 19:37:32 sid++ 19:37:49 reboob time! 19:37:52 *** dorotea has quit (User quit: Three sheets to the wind) 19:52:15 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 19:55:32 *** dorotea (dorotea@dorotea.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:00:50 *** MarcosSMBT has quit (Ping timeout) 20:10:31 dorotea 20:10:35 what are the problems with systemd 20:10:36 it does too many things at once 20:10:36 it's fixing something that isn't a real problem 20:10:36 the mindset of the developers is actively harmful in dealing with outside opinions 20:10:37 thoughts? 20:22:22 that's a counter-argument, yeah. I read some whole article laying out that argument a week or so ago 20:23:04 to me it's an ideological argument. "Don't add more functionality here because it can fail", which resolves to "be unix, don't be monolith" 20:23:40 I've nothing to say on "actively harmful towards outside opinions" but systemd is /very/ monolith 20:23:51 if you aren't fine with that, something else should be used 20:24:18 *** monod (~pmpf@monod.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 20:24:23 joepie91:) ^ (sorry, was cooking) 20:24:37 loggy, pointer? 20:24:37 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-02-14#T20-24-37 20:24:38 hello guyz 20:26:58 joepie91:) it's interesting because the solution most who make that argument "fixing something that isn't a problem" is to stick with rc init scripts or whatever. That system works, yes, but it's fucking horrible to work with. boilerplate slathered in boilerplate, and it's not very flexible without advanced knowledge. I'm not 100% sure a monolith is the answer, but as far as I'm concerned anything is better than that. 20:27:38 fair enough :P 20:29:34 even if it's a bit cumbersome (doesn't seem to be), it seems like being able to say "12 things depend on this daemon running, so launch it and then all 12 of them" would be nice. Perhaps it isn't worth the change, I don't know. 20:30:53 my only significant bias in this is that I love the fact that systemd autolocks a screen when you insert a mouse wiggler (which I think MK_FG told me upstart could do as well) 20:58:36 *** boiyd has quit (User quit: Konversation terminated!) 20:58:57 *** Zekka (zekka@cryto-205C8434.arizona.edu) has joined #crytocc 21:06:32 *** jelkion (jelkion@jelkion.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:09:58 dorotea: http://pando.com/2014/02/07/occupy-wall-street-leader-now-works-for-google-wants-to-crowdfund-a-private-militia/ 21:12:30 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 21:25:55 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 21:28:49 dorotea, I think that was udev patch that came out of certain gnome conference ioerror visited ;) 21:29:06 These days udev == systemd though, more of the monolith 21:31:38 joepie91, "it does too many things at once" - kinda true, but many things there are swappable for custom stuff, if you want to (i.e. all systemd-* daemons, stock units, policies, etc) - most have well-defined interfaces, documented at systemd home (iirc there was a table of all these) 21:32:06 is anyone like amazing here with php and sql databases that does freelance projects? 21:34:52 joepie91, "it's fixing something that isn't a real problem" - imho sane, fast, lean dependency-based boot and user session, plus reliable isolated services in cgroups is very much worth fixing ;) 21:35:14 "the mindset of the developers is actively harmful in dealing with outside opinions" - just plain false, look at the ML 21:35:28 MK_FG: I believe the opinion thing had to do with platform support 21:35:30 amongst other things 21:35:35 but not sure 21:35:41 they're not my points after all ;) 21:35:44 loggy, pointer? 21:35:44 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-02-14#T21-35-44 21:35:52 Yeah, sure, and there was a huge extended reply on why that support is hard 21:36:08 With like 20 points, and fairly large discussion 21:36:21 (from a year or two ago, or so) 21:36:23 MK_FG: do you have an answer the ? i asked earlier? 21:36:28 djneubs: currently not available for freelance stuff (no time left), but I normally do open-source freelance stuff :P 21:36:32 MK_FG: aha 21:36:54 joepie91: when do u think ulll have time? i think my projects relativley simple 21:37:05 probably not any time soon 21:38:55 djneubs: if it's fairly simple, it shouldn't be hard to find people for it... afaik freenode has a channel for this, even 21:39:16 im a newb to IRC lol 21:39:25 afaik freenode = channel on this server? 21:39:43 no 21:39:46 That thread was a bit of flame-war, but list is at the end of https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/07/msg00281.html 21:39:47 it's a different IRC network 21:39:50 irc.freenode.net 21:39:58 not sure what the channel was 21:40:56 (no way I've read all that even back then... https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/07/threads.html#00269 ) 21:43:08 MK_FG: are you using a custom RSS feed fetcher/parser/reader 21:43:08 lol 21:43:16 I saw one of your github repos come by in my access logs 21:43:54 Well, not that "custom", it's a usual python feedparser module 21:44:03 ...that does the fetching 21:44:15 But otherwise it's github.com/mk-fg/feedjack/ 21:45:28 ya 21:45:31 that's what I saw 21:45:32 :p 21:48:36 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 21:49:20 *** Stassi has quit (User quit: Leaving) 21:51:06 joepie91:) yeah, I saw that article. I want to see what other people have to say about it, though, because pando has a very critical bent (reminds me of greenwald's) 21:51:28 *** djneubs has quit (Ping timeout) 21:51:55 ping timeouts 21:52:01 MK_FG:) and yeah, I heard it from ioerror's mouth on a video where he mentioned it as a security success 21:54:06 It's fascinating to watch our media attempt to kill tesla with "car fires" as if they don't happen all the fucking time 21:54:11 I'm going to sleep now guys 21:54:16 see you later :) 21:54:18 night! 21:54:21 night monod! 21:54:21 *** monod has parted #crytocc (Quit) 21:56:26 didn't even realize monod was here :o 21:56:43 :o 21:56:49 such a great friend you are 21:56:56 * dorotea giggles 21:57:02 :( 21:57:03 <3 21:57:08 <3<3 21:57:10 now I feel bad 21:57:16 awh :( 21:57:17 lol 21:57:53 YES 21:57:56 bootstrap 3.1.1 21:57:59 EXCELLENCE 22:05:04 *** T0R_till (T0R_till@cryto-5C4CE8BC.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 22:06:26 *** T0R_till has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 22:10:04 dorotea: https://pay.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1xm8xa/clearskies_open_source_btsync_clone/ 22:11:04 joepie91:) too bad they annihilated the usefulness of it by making it gplv3 22:15:07 *** mama has quit (Ping timeout) 22:15:52 I hope if they use bittorrent trackers that we can set which tracker to use 22:16:12 That's the thing I hate about btsync. It's like dudes I run a bittorrent tracker lemme use it 22:16:51 joepie91:) too bad they annihilated the usefulness of it by making it gplv3 22:16:54 could've been worse 22:16:57 could've been proprietary 22:16:58 :P 22:31:23 I'm unconvinced that proprietary is worse 22:31:36 either way it's massively exclusionary 22:32:11 I'm not sure I want to be in charge of trying to figure out how much of my leg I want to blow off with a shotgun. It sucks any way you cut it 22:32:50 hehe 22:32:59 dorotea: I agree in principle 22:35:25 I mean what we'd be looking at is "which is the lesser of two evils?" Which is fine in circumstances where you only have those choices, but we have bsd/mit/isc/wtfpl and co to choose from 22:35:45 We have LOTS of good choices 22:38:51 dorotea: perhaps contact the author and sugest? 22:38:54 suggest * 22:38:56 *** ox1 (ox1@ox1.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:39:07 it's early on in the dev process, so not much IP holder scatter to deal with yet 22:40:43 "Hi yes hello can you please actually support free software instead of enclosure of the public domain (satan)(GPL)?" 22:40:59 .welcome ox1 22:40:59 ox1: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 22:41:03 lmao 22:41:13 I actually said something like that in my class 22:41:16 dorotea: that, but perhaps some more politically correct language would be beneficial 22:41:17 :) 22:41:39 the book we were reading advocated a rewriting of the gpl for genetic material (to protect from monsanto et all patenting it) 22:41:45 unrelatedly, where the fuck are my document folders 22:41:48 and I went "well but that's bullshit and here's why" 22:41:52 like, seriously, where the hell have they gone 22:41:55 :O 22:41:57 dorotea: hehe 22:42:01 joepie91:) THEY GREW LEGS 22:42:07 apparently so 22:42:08 which sucks 22:42:14 because I need to make a CD scanning sleeve for somebody 22:42:15 tonight 22:42:18 I put my document folder in my sync folder 22:42:20 and I can't do that without document folders... 22:42:21 for great justice 22:42:26 dorotea: physical document folder 22:42:29 oh! 22:42:32 transparent sleeve things 22:42:38 * dorotea wishes those were the same thing 22:42:42 they are no longer in the place where I remember them being 22:42:45 which is a rare occurrence for me 22:42:47 ahh, problematic 22:42:51 those tend to be important 22:43:00 mine has like rental agreement and such 22:43:01 lol 22:43:03 lol 22:43:10 nah, these are the single-page transparent ones 22:43:20 oh the uh 22:43:23 those + sewing thread = CD scanning sleeve 22:43:27 like covers for a single page? 22:43:31 kinda 22:43:31 sec 22:43:54 I've got these things I put 8.5x11 photos in 22:44:15 (fuck you and your standard photo formats, I do what I want in the darkroom) 22:45:06 dorotea: http://owely.com/0PaKra 22:45:38 that's a CD scanning sleeve 22:45:40 the one I made 22:45:57 woo found em 22:46:16 they were in the place where I remembered them being 22:46:18 I just overlooked them 22:46:18 haha 22:46:44 oooooh 22:46:47 yeah that's cool 22:46:47 lol 22:53:39 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 22:54:14 ohai iceTwy 22:54:20 don't forget mitigation setup this weekend! :P 23:09:02 mm? 23:15:55 dorotea: ? 23:16:46 mitigation setup? 23:16:52 ah 23:17:01 cryto is going to have free ddos mitigation as one of the services 23:17:10 and icetwy is going to be guinea pig 23:17:11 lol 23:17:20 :D 23:18:01 * dorotea puts face in front of the fire hose 23:18:13 * dorotea whargharrrbls 23:18:20 * joepie91 watches dorotea smack against wall 23:18:36 no such thing :D 23:18:44 heh 23:18:47 I am hydrodynamic :D 23:18:53 anyway, the idea is a haproxy + openvpn setup 23:18:58 * dorotea swims like feesh 23:19:04 mm 23:19:11 caveat: only shared-IP SSL 23:19:13 vpn to origin? 23:19:14 that is, per-host certs 23:19:17 which will break in some browsers 23:19:21 ya 23:19:22 well 23:19:25 oh uh 23:19:27 VPN from origin to mitigation box 23:19:33 ahh 23:19:36 joepie91: haha 23:19:37 no listening on origin 23:19:43 joepie91: yeah no, I haven't forgotten, don't worry ;) 23:19:47 daemon would listen on openvpn interface 23:19:49 rather than public interface 23:19:58 which mitigates the "find origin server" attack pretty well 23:20:13 wait 23:20:14 oh, btw 23:20:15 per host SSL certs? 23:20:17 hnng 23:20:19 :/ 23:20:23 iceTwy: if it's an openvz VPS 23:20:26 shoulda said earlier 23:20:29 put in a ticket asking for tun/tap to be enabled 23:20:31 I did 23:20:33 lol 23:20:36 it's the first thing I asked 23:20:46 "is it okay if it has shared IP SSL certs, so it might break in older browsers" 23:20:49 you said yes 23:20:55 god 23:20:59 I didn't quite see "shared" 23:21:06 er 23:21:08 ... what did you think I was asking >.> 23:21:09 well okay anyway 23:21:15 you mean shitty old clients running on windows xp that don't support sni right 23:21:18 iceTwy: has to do with starttls or somesuch 23:21:21 SNI 23:21:22 that was it 23:21:26 :> 23:21:28 dorotea: pretty much 23:21:29 meh 23:21:34 xp is only os which doesn't support 23:21:35 iceTwy: you still have your own cert, it's just only used for your vhost(s) 23:21:36 fuckem 23:21:36 lol 23:21:45 joepie91: right that's perfect, lol 23:21:53 and very much so dorotea 23:22:04 they ought to move onto something else than XP ;P 23:22:04 so yeah 23:22:05 did you see my cipher line? :D 23:22:07 haproxy + openvpn :P 23:23:15 https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=explodie.org 23:23:30 I only ban xp and java 23:23:31 :D 23:23:41 (yes, it is purposeful) 23:23:42 Prefix handling Not valid for "www.explodie.org" CONFUSING 23:23:49 CONFUSING 23:23:49 lol 23:23:56 :D 23:24:01 people don't use www 23:24:03 so what 23:24:05 SO WHAT 23:24:05 www is a redirect lol 23:24:07 www is so 1990's 23:24:22 www redirects to hsts non-www 23:24:28 301<3 23:24:35 plain 404 here 23:24:41 on all of my domains 23:25:08 https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=iceb.in 23:25:35 my god these CD scanning sleeves take forever to make 23:25:36 :( 23:26:02 server { 23:26:02 listen 80; 23:26:02 server_name www.explodie.org; 23:26:02 expires max; 23:26:02 return 301 https://explodie.org$request_uri; 23:26:03 } 23:26:19 such redirect. many expires. wow. 23:26:40 your cert list is hueg 23:26:43 cipher, rather 23:26:58 yup 23:27:00 hint 23:27:02 uh 23:27:05 lol 23:27:15 hint hint :D 23:27:33 no version of IE ships with ssl_ecdh_curve secp521r1; enabled 23:27:45 they only ship ssl_ecdh_curve secp384r1; enabled by default 23:27:55 you can knock all of IE out with that line 23:27:59 without changing ciphers 23:28:12 (and first prio ecdh/e cipher) 23:28:33 I used to have 2 ciphers, but I added the third for IE 23:28:47 ssl_ciphers ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 23:28:48 FINALLY 23:28:50 FINISHED ONE 23:29:03 (the last one is for IE) 23:29:07 finished a one 23:29:12 oh, sleeve 23:29:12 :D 23:29:30 additionally, check my headers 23:29:35 they're lulz 23:30:37 yup, a sleeve 23:30:41 took 45 goddamn minutes 23:30:41 :( 23:31:18 NP: [Tinariwen - Oualahila ar Tesninam] [Amassakoul] [786kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 23:31:38 wadija! 23:31:40 I heard that word 23:31:42 hahahaha 23:31:47 or wadiya 23:31:52 however you spell it 23:31:58 it's their home land 23:34:36 E1b1b1b (E-M81), the major haplogroup in Tuaregs, is the most common Y chromosome haplogroup in North Africa, dominated by its sub-clade E-M183. It is thought to have originated in North Africa 5,600 years ago. The parent clade E1b1b originated in East Africa.[51][52] Colloquially referred to as the Berber marker for its prevalence among Mozabite, Middle Atlas, Kabyle people and other Berber groups, E-M81 is also predominant among other North 23:34:36 African groups. It reaches frequencies of up to 100 percent in some parts of the Maghreb. 23:34:51 fuck yeah 23:34:56 5600 year old genetics 23:35:30 right then 23:35:32 sleeve done 23:35:34 time to sleep 23:35:36 goodnight :P 23:35:46 night! 23:36:04 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-74FAC0F8.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 23:36:41 *** pzuraq has quit (User quit: Leaving...) 23:37:03 night! 23:37:29 NP: [Parov Stelar - Libella Swing] [Coco] [928kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 23:37:44 wait what 23:37:52 my friend and I were listening to Parov Stelar this afternoon 23:38:02 welcome to my library 23:38:09 such copy 23:38:14 much unimpressed 23:38:15 unwow 23:38:25 fine 23:38:25 NP: [Ozomatli - (Who Discovered) America?] [Street Signs] [974kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 23:38:53 (if you've seen mr and ms smith, it's in that movie) 23:39:02 oh really? 23:39:05 yep 23:39:12 when they leave bogotá 23:39:14 when does it play in the movie 23:39:15 oh 23:39:17 right 23:39:28 and it transitions to a helicopter flight over nyc 23:39:36 well, helo mounted camera 23:39:37 lol 23:39:47 soon: drone mounted camera 23:39:52 Mr and Mrs Smith is a funny film 23:39:53 much cheaper 23:39:56 yes! 23:39:57 yeah definitely 23:40:01 It's one of my favorites 23:40:13 "so how was your day honey" 23:40:20 "u wot m8" 23:40:52 I cross the ocean in a tiny ship, with her image in my mind and her name on my lips 23:41:10 and, yeah 23:41:14 that's like american culture right there 23:41:16 it's why I love it 23:41:23 that and uh 23:41:27 have you seen american beauty? 23:41:42 nope 23:41:45 cause that movie NAILS american culture 23:41:48 it definitely is one film I should see 23:41:49 absolutely slaughters it 23:41:50 it's great 23:41:53 yeah 23:41:54 izzit 23:41:59 highly highly recommend 23:42:06 yeah well 23:42:10 I got Citizen Kane the other day 23:42:12 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-74FAC0F8.ucsc.edu) has joined #crytocc 23:42:13 need to watch that first 23:42:15 excellent! 23:42:23 that one has a very very good script 23:42:29 so I hear. 23:42:31 :P 23:42:40 we had to critique it in film :D 23:42:44 hah :p 23:42:48 but ooooh many moons ago 23:42:50 oh, I almost forgot 23:43:03 when I'll be older I'll rewatch 2001 23:43:10 wassat 23:43:11 the movie utterly bored me 23:43:20 2001: A Space Odyssey by Kubrick 23:43:30 when I get older I'm gonna rewatch bumgarner's redbull jump 23:43:40 huh, haven't seen it 23:43:55 baumgartner's jump? crazy, man 23:43:59 yes! 23:44:11 but by that time jumping from the stratosphere will have turned into some kind of commercial activity/extreme sport 23:44:13 so yeah 23:44:13 corporate sponsorship or not, symbolic of the amazing that we can do 23:44:36 well Red Bull do sponsor a lot of sports team/people, so I don't mind 23:44:39 which reminds me 23:45:02 .tw https://twitter.com/anildash/status/378222060662947840 23:45:03 A 160 baud modem hooked up to a 23-watt transmitter told us that a machine we built left our solar system last August 25th. So, so great. (@anildash) 23:45:48 a machine built 36 years ago with 40k of ram 23:46:04 like, fuck you your argument is invalid 23:47:27 here you go, some iceTwy music 23:47:29 NP: [Stone Temple Pilots - Dead And Bloated] [Core] [1037kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 23:47:31 aka: what the fuck is a 160 baud modem hooked up to a 23-watt transmitter 23:48:16 voyager 1 23:49:12 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/science/in-a-breathtaking-first-nasa-craft-exits-the-solar-system.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 23:49:14 .t 23:49:15 Fri, 14 Feb 2014 23:49:14 GMT 23:49:18 .title 23:49:20 Can't connect to http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/science/in-a-breathtaking-first-nasa-craft-exits-the-solar-system.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 23:49:23 bah 23:49:32 .title 23:49:35 Can't connect to http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/science/in-a-breathtaking-first-nasa-craft-exits-the-solar-system.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 23:49:53 oh, right, he's in blackhole still 23:56:31 *** Natt (Natt@cryto-EFE2E14.privacyfoundation.ch) has joined #crytocc 23:57:57 .welcome Natt 23:57:58 Natt : welcome to #crytocc! 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