00:02:11 lol, sure 00:02:33 inb4 give us your address and a personal mafia squad will come and get rid of you in the most horrible way you can think of 00:05:26 wat 00:06:27 also, wat 00:06:28 http://www.alternet.org/video-eminem-ice-cube-and-korn-team-anonymous-call-global-revolution 00:07:14 ultrawat 00:08:32 can someone teach them how mixed-content scenarios and proportional image resizing works 00:09:37 I won't link to it because that's banned in here, but jeez 00:13:53 python 00:13:54 "wins the one who stands where there's no war at" better change it to "LIVE the ones who stand where there's no war at" :D 00:13:56 is 00:13:58 beautiful 00:14:00 python 00:14:02 is 00:14:04 beautiful 00:14:06 PYTHON IS FUCKING BEAUTIFUL 00:14:12 also msg history 00:14:14 as you can tell 00:14:17 lululz 00:14:31 * monod back lurking. 00:14:45 also here goes a python's skeleton 00:14:47 https://twitter.com/iceTwy/status/433967980322783232 00:21:47 NP: [Korn - Coming Undone] [See You On The Other Side] [1065kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 00:22:46 seems like a good song to play while writing an essay on dependency theory 00:23:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_theory 00:26:48 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-8D4BA9A4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #crytocc 00:28:14 *** pzuraq_ (pzuraq@cryto-8D4BA9A4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #crytocc 00:28:15 *** pzuraq has quit (Connection reset by peer) 00:28:56 *** Agalloch has quit (User quit: I AM ERROR) 00:30:09 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 00:30:59 NP: [Nero - Doomsday] [Welcome Reality] [1040kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 00:34:54 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 00:35:52 04iceTwy made 1 commit(s) to 03willie-extras on branch 10master: '02Code refactoring: step 1*Copyright and EFL license*Goodbye requests, hello willie's web.py*Proper string formatting for willie's replies*resource is now a method of ImgurClient, can be used to fetch any imgurresource*More vertical spacing in imgur() function*foul-proof => fool-proof*probably some other things I didn't mention' (https://github.com/iceTwy/willie-extras/comp 00:39:02 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 00:47:56 ^ pretty fucking satisfied w/ this commit 01:02:21 I'm in the middle of a self mind-wrestling at 2 AM :) I got to sleep now, definitely 01:02:26 see ya! 01:02:30 *** monod has quit (User quit: nightnight) 01:03:58 http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/ is just. fucking. gold 01:04:00 hahahaha 01:13:02 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 01:31:41 *** Mankind has quit (Ping timeout) 02:10:52 *** iceTwy has quit (User quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) 03:06:07 *** MK_FG has quit (Ping timeout) 03:59:03 *** Achilles (Achilles@cryto-5A768E90.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 03:59:35 the feds are watching 04:00:50 *** Achilles has parted #crytocc () 04:01:30 *** L0GZ (L0GZ@cryto-5A768E90.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 04:07:05 *** AnonyOps (anonyops@AnonyOps.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:09:04 tell me 04:23:28 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:29:43 *** L0GZ has quit (User quit: Page closed) 04:46:48 we know 04:46:56 * dorotea hi feds! 04:47:00 * dorotea waves 05:04:30 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:07:42 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 05:26:48 *** Zekka (zekka@cryto-4AFAE809.arizona.edu) has joined #crytocc 06:07:24 NP: [Kid Rock - American Bad Ass] [The History Of Rock] [959kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 06:09:24 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 06:12:18 NP: [Club Des Belugas - What Is Jazz (Tape Five Remix)] [Aural Affairs vol.1 CD2] [266kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 06:46:45 NP: [Jay-Z - Lucifer] [The Black Album] [936kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 06:58:45 *** ^Xires (xires@cryto-FE316B49.feedthetrolls.net) has joined #crytocc 07:14:57 *** pzuraq_ has quit (Input/output error) 07:55:07 *** nicholas-b1242 (nicholas-b@cryto-B5EA7A0D.vnet.sk) has joined #crytocc 08:06:24 *** xxxxy (spice@cryto-87A3F5F4.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) has joined #crytocc 08:07:26 *** xxxxy has parted #crytocc (None) 08:09:08 *** xxxxy (spice@cryto-87A3F5F4.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) has joined #crytocc 08:09:16 *** xxxxy has parted #crytocc (None) 08:21:35 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BAE76FBA.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #crytocc 09:05:03 *** tmbucky (tmbucky@cryto-722FD926.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 09:06:26 *** tmbucky has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 09:15:40 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 09:21:00 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 09:28:45 *** MarcosSMBT (AnonLemmin@AF474622.719A41CF.3A5B19FE.IP) has joined #crytocc 10:15:49 *** stanone (Grep@stanone.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:16:47 *** LapAnon has quit (Ping timeout) 10:49:55 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 10:53:23 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:02:23 *** monod (monod@cryto-F3156097.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #crytocc 12:02:32 hola 13:37:07 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:37:15 *** MK_FG (MK_FG@MKFG-91968.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:10:07 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 14:32:24 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 14:36:40 NP: [Sublime - What I Got (reprise)] [Sublime] [963kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 14:36:55 soundtrack to my childhood right hurr 14:37:31 joepie91: thanks for pwning this guy 14:38:41 .tw https://twitter.com/Aranjedeath/status/436392533577310208 14:38:42 What if the panopticon is inhibited by consumerism? What do we do if those forces counter eachother? (@Aranjedeath) 14:39:29 these are the things that keep me up at night 14:41:43 oh really 14:42:08 basically, what if we're wrong? and I think I could make a case that we are 14:42:53 part of the linchpin of the panopticon is successful individuation. consumerism directly fights that. 14:43:05 like, head fucking on 14:44:18 Everyone owning same iPhone with same angry bidrds is suddenly raging individual? ;) 14:44:29 absolutely 14:44:44 the iPhone is a symbol of false individuation :D 14:44:59 You're literally buying the image of individuality 14:45:12 ceci n'est pas une pipe 14:45:28 Huh 14:45:42 I dunno 14:45:54 I haven't read foucault yet, probably will this weekend 14:45:55 lol 14:46:05 see if I'm right 14:46:07 :> 14:46:48 I'm trying to imagine what goes through mind of iPhone buyer that corresponds to "image of individuality" and I think I'm failing 14:47:07 I need not look farther than "think differently" 14:47:50 Um.. a stupid obsolete marketing slogan from days long gone? 14:47:51 buying an iPhone necessarily absolves you of a certain amount of individuation 14:48:00 hmm 14:48:15 I wonder if we could rank objects by how much individuation they inhibit 14:48:18 or mitigate 14:48:24 that would be a sufficiently fun task 14:48:31 Heheh 14:48:42 tough, but I think worth it 14:48:53 I think you risk turning into some kind of hipster ;) 14:49:00 (by doing that) 14:49:01 pop culture would laugh, but you'd get your 15 minutes with philo cats 14:49:23 individuation =?= original, personal style? 14:49:30 no 14:49:37 becoming an individual 14:49:46 :| 14:49:48 It's a mental process 14:50:12 I thought it was what monod said 14:50:14 so: becoming someone far from the "mass" of people, that is an independent "individual"? 14:50:33 that's so nice of you MK_FG :D 14:50:35 lulz 14:50:47 "In Jungian psychology, also called analytical psychology, it expresses the process in which the individual self develops out of an undifferentiated unconscious. It is a developmental psychic process during which innate elements of personality, the components of the immature psyche, and the experiences of the person's life become integrated over time into a well-functioning whole." 14:51:06 this is the definition I'm using 14:51:09 I hope you caught my light joke :D 14:51:15 yes :> 14:51:16 reading that now dorotea 14:51:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individuation 14:51:50 self-definition-like? 14:51:55 sure 14:52:06 so, individuation 14:52:38 btw, just a quick link: do you all already know about http://www.codecademy.com/learn ? 14:52:44 I must be cynical this morning 14:52:45 heh 14:52:56 that'll go perfectly for my class in 1hr 14:53:02 *** Stassi (Stassi__@cryto-9B07CF8C.ighost.se) has joined #crytocc 14:53:03 XD 14:53:08 (we're discussing marx's effect on the study of history) 14:53:49 I've seen links to codeacademy before, but never used it myself 14:53:58 I can't understand how can you study sociopolitical things and... be a programmer? Or aren't you? 14:54:00 NP: [Metric - Rock Me Now] [Grow Up and Blow Away] [952kbps] DeaDBeeF 0.6.0 14:54:06 Why not? 14:54:10 they're the same thing! 14:54:23 Coding can be a subclass, like cooking ;) 14:54:29 sure 14:54:34 but it's still political speech 14:54:42 What, coding? 14:54:44 ;) 14:54:46 da 14:54:59 haha 14:55:00 maybe cooking too, but mostly coding 14:55:11 * dorotea thinks veganism, et all 14:55:17 Luckily I only have slight clue as to what "political speech" is 14:55:44 MK_FG, I thought I would give it a try since they might be a possibility for me to quickly learn mainstream languages that I still haven't learned, like PHP 14:56:06 the reason I go to infosec conferences is the same reason I go to art galleries and study sociopolitical structures 14:56:17 Yeah, don't think I've ever heard bad things about codeacademy 14:56:38 oh god, dorotea :D 14:56:46 trying to figuring it ou 14:56:47 t 14:56:58 dorotea, Well, they have plenty of political speech not involving coding at those 14:57:07 Like, maybe 50% these days 14:57:27 not that much at the ones I've been to 14:57:51 mostly coding as art 14:58:14 and as liberal arts theories 14:58:31 You really must mean some other infosec stuff 14:58:42 nah 14:58:47 Because things like defcon, shmoocon etc don't even involve coding 14:58:52 "coding as art" sounds very time expensive to me 14:58:57 I've never been to either of those 14:59:07 if I would do anything artistic, I would spend days and days... 14:59:09 I went to toorcon and hushcon 14:59:10 Oh, also, good point! 14:59:20 yes 14:59:22 I haven't actually *been* there either 14:59:24 that's why I don't code much 14:59:29 :P 14:59:32 So that might be a totally different experience 14:59:49 ....than judging them only by talks on youtube 14:59:54 the crowd I hang out with doesn't do politics 15:00:01 they write code all con 15:00:07 all con? 15:00:18 all of the conference 15:00:18 conmen 15:00:20 all con 15:00:28 all con and all fed 15:00:59 all con no fed 15:01:21 we had headhntr tho 15:01:21 Why doesn't bot kick for fed these days, btw? 15:01:40 I'm pissed I didn't introduce myself, but I didn't know who he was 15:01:41 lol 15:02:12 https://twitter.com/headhntr <-- 15:06:12 " Why doesn't bot kick for fed these days, btw?" lulwhat? 15:06:28 I never get the irony if any in there 15:06:31 It used to do that! 15:06:46 No idea why, but it did, it was lulzy 15:09:56 o_O lol 15:10:06 very lulzy indeed O_O 15:10:52 anyway, does it mean that I'm not as intelligent as somebody else if I am poor at maths? Calculus... (calculus 2 actually) 15:11:36 because I'm really just doing that course only to prove I'm an intelligent person, but I don't have if this is the way and I've spent much energy for this.... 15:11:48 and I know it sounds stupid to do something you're not sure about, but... 15:11:58 in this case I think it's comprehensible 15:15:43 Dunno if "intelligent person" is even a thing 15:16:14 Are good-math people best at everything that requires brain? 15:17:08 MK_FG: unfortunately, yes 15:17:29 well actually I'll take that back 15:17:44 but if you take a look at all the big names in the different fields of maths, then yes 15:19:45 Hm, interesting 15:20:49 the problem for me is that I fear that when in presence of anyone who is very good at maths, I'll just have to bow down to him... just as in "different levels of human beings" 15:21:09 so, I need to join the run for studying maths and here I am indeed.. (failing of course) 15:21:55 (and usually brings me to blaming my poor attitude in high school) 15:22:01 Also, why it's "unfortunately"? Don't think I see them being evil overlords or something ;) 15:23:00 from my POV, it's like they have some power others can't have and they know this, so if any evil would come up, it'd be from this 15:23:53 I also was/am sure that everyone can "go maths", you just need someone good at teaching you them, the mindset to have when dealing with maths 15:23:58 (not only, but also) 15:24:22 tbh you're not instantly good at maths 15:25:05 you can be at ease with the concepts and, actually, with applying those concepts. that's what we call people that are good at maths 15:25:13 I wonder if Gauss got home-schooled, at some point, because he's said (just said, tho) to have solved a non-obvious math problem at the age of 6-7, iceTwy 15:25:37 iceTwy, yes, and that applies to many (if not any) fields, I think 15:25:43 he was already solving maths problems at like 3 15:25:49 but anyway 15:26:00 if you work hard, it doesn't matter whether you're at ease or not 15:26:02 at first that is 15:26:06 you will be at ease then 15:26:29 Or that's what they want you to think (so you'd work hard for nothing!)... 15:26:35 Evil maths overlords 15:26:57 haha, yes, them XD 15:27:15 so what the reason for "disparity" in results would be? The amount of 'labor' one has spent on it? 15:27:18 like anything else? 15:27:21 iceTwy, ^ 15:27:35 'labor' == hard work 15:27:40 that's what I meant 15:29:58 yes monod 15:30:02 I do believe so 15:30:29 and why is maths so hard compared to anything else? 15:30:47 seems to be the black death, compared to anything else, if you ask around some random people 15:31:07 because it pushes you to be rigorous, coherent, and absolutely critical of your methods 15:31:09 random people == people chosen at random, not people with random ideals for their lives :D 15:31:26 iceTwy, it sounds psychological 15:31:36 life if it has to do with psyche 15:31:48 well, in most countries, the disparity of results in maths comes from that yeah 15:31:59 there's a lot of affection associated with maths, as a subject in school 15:32:10 because it's seen as THE shit that makes you intelligent or not 15:32:44 that's the point... 15:32:52 well we need to get past that 15:33:06 of course, I mistakenly said "that's the point" 15:33:10 but most school systems are far from achieving that, except for Scandinavian countries 15:33:10 didn't meant to :S 15:33:16 mean* 15:33:19 but 15:33:20 say 15:33:46 you're interested in maths, and you decide to work hard and not be tricked into thinking that you're not good at maths because you don't understand things in 0.2 second like a genius 15:34:09 then, just as any other field/subject, you will necessarily improve yourself 15:34:48 I personally know that I hate to fail at maths because I've got a fairly enormous ego when it comes to that 15:35:05 maybe as a result of the affection that we associate with maths, I'm not too sure, but I've got it anyway 15:35:30 and yet I'm far from being the best at maths 15:35:55 I'm pretty sure that if I put more work into maths I would be ;) 15:36:42 I still don't get it.... 15:37:01 I'm hating maths 15:37:09 why 15:37:52 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 15:37:55 because it's too hard and too many things to learn (in this course, calculus 2) to get a high score (or mark?) at the exam 15:38:05 "too hard" is not exact, 15:38:13 right 15:38:22 because you need a good mark at the exam 15:38:29 not that 15:38:34 yes 15:38:41 nope, that's a symbol 15:38:43 it /is/ that: the examination process 15:39:09 for me it's like about "my level" compared to "others level" 15:39:24 but also this it's not exact too 15:39:34 because it only bothers me of one other person 15:39:38 ('s level) 15:39:53 but who is that related to maths 15:39:56 how* 15:40:38 I never cared for any other person who was better than me, because "inside me" I knew they hadn't some other things I had. This stuff is related to maths because the: 15:40:42 "monod> for me it's like about "my level" compared to "others level" " 15:41:01 is about a person who was/is very good at maths 15:41:09 well that's just because maths is a subject where we put a LOT of examinations 15:41:26 and why is that then 15:41:35 because, again, math = intelligence 15:41:41 intelligence = superiority 15:42:01 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 15:42:06 derp 15:42:07 I'm reasoning with single words just to make it simple, even if this means wrong reasoning 15:42:27 this thing is sucking my soul 15:42:38 take a look at this instead 15:42:43 work 15:42:46 maths ====> intelligence 15:43:03 "maths work intelligence"? 15:43:11 "maths, then work, so then intelligence"? 15:43:42 yes 15:43:46 rather 15:43:59 should've been 15:44:02 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 15:44:08 work + learning 15:44:14 sciences =========> intelligence 15:44:33 or rather: work + learning ==> intelligence 15:44:37 :P 15:44:39 monod, I believe you don't hate maths 15:44:49 you just hate what surrounds maths 15:44:58 yeah, maybe... 15:45:04 stressful exam, the amount of work it requires to get on par with others in your course 15:45:18 un-intuitive concepts that have to be understood 15:45:41 that takes the fun out of maths, yes 15:45:56 this sounds very true 15:46:12 this is something a professor in my university has said to me, once.. 15:46:28 there's a point where, you need to realize that maths isn't about that 15:46:43 what's the X that is about that then? :( 15:46:43 you need to have a personal vision of what mathematics really mean to you 15:47:08 personally I see maths as a form of philosophy 15:47:23 I fear that intelligence is the main thing that has to do with school, univerisity, passing exams with no late years of university 15:47:42 but I think I'm just blindly repeating myself now, maybe 15:47:53 i.e. human reason/intelligence applied to creating/finding abstract models to predict, well, everything 15:48:02 yeah I think you are :P 15:48:06 my point is 15:48:14 try to get the stress out of this, don't think about other people's level 15:48:30 and see maths for what it really is: pure, sheer beauty 15:48:42 they really are*, herp 15:48:53 ok, I can separate these two concepts: 15:49:37 but: there's one thing I still can't overlook....๙ 15:49:48 but I don't know how much it has to do with math 15:49:48 s 15:49:51 maths* 15:49:59 what's this one thing? 15:50:09 if you don't know what it is, then it's probably just the fear of not succeeding 15:50:12 at university 15:50:30 and, er, I'd say you're not the only one (at all) facing that fear ;) 15:51:04 and maybe all the typical failers are so because of that 15:51:12 what? 15:51:14 lol 15:51:16 typical failers 15:51:38 that's just an ugly term to say people who didn't get good grades at school 15:51:42 like, a really ugly term 15:52:19 you can very well not have the best grades at school 15:52:24 and yet you can shine at university 15:52:31 because it's a different system/way of working 15:52:43 (and because it's much more interesting than general curriculums at school) 15:52:53 monod: Fear. Not. :) 15:53:18 ok, but "fear of what" I'm trying to figure out, that is๙ 15:53:21 that is: 15:53:29 in which form am I fearing of not succeeding? 15:54:02 not working enough? 15:54:10 because that's the /only/ thing that will get you to fail 15:54:36 (okay, besides other unfortunate events in life, but that's not the point here) 15:55:41 how old are you again monod? 15:55:53 I was thinking the same thing, 21 15:56:31 you aren't studying at the uni yet, right? 15:56:44 a&t uni* 15:56:47 at uni*, god 15:56:59 I am instead, the age is 19, just after high school which ends at 18-19 15:57:12 5 years of uni tho 15:57:16 instead of 3 15:57:27 you should be out by 23 15:57:42 if you don't get late, like me and other people 15:57:52 I've already lost one year 15:57:59 and there's more to come 15:58:01 ah, what are you studying then? maths? 15:58:08 there are* more to come 15:59:02 engineering! Because I thought I was going to program, but now, while I'm at 3rd year (2nd year if we look at what courses I'm studying now....), I've realized that an engineer is a slightly different job 15:59:16 but that's okay, I likely understood this and did not rejected it 15:59:41 that is: computer science engineers are not so bad, *it seems* 15:59:52 also, my programming idea was very naive 16:00:17 everyone told me "engineer are better than programmers, you should choose wisely which one to do now that you know." 16:00:26 this is the message I received tho. 16:00:49 CS engineers are the shit 16:01:02 well yeah, an engineer does just not program 16:01:10 programming is really just the act of transforming an idea into code 16:01:21 but then programming all day long would be boring 16:01:41 I would have never choose CS engineering if it wasn't for that cursed person who I told it's good at maths..... 16:02:01 ah, got tricked by someone in your orientation process? 16:02:34 iceTwy, and one good side of CS engineers is that they program too, a little bit maybe, they just don't code everything from scratch. No, didn't got tricked, but advised 16:02:54 I was like "I really don't know where should I try" (first year of uni) 16:03:08 (actually, just before enrolling for the first year) 16:03:16 yeah, that 16:03:23 and he said "I think you may do this" 16:03:29 I was almost going to pick med studies because people DID NOT FUCKING KNOW what neurosciences are 16:03:37 "because you like computer, programming and it's a natural course for you" 16:03:55 my choices were not much apart tho 16:04:16 and the alternative, that of programming, seemed so odd, because of what people said 16:04:50 but not exactly 16:05:08 not because of what they said, just because of what it looked like: program and.. nothing else 16:05:15 it was just a naive idea 16:05:33 all the topic revolves around intelligence tho 16:06:00 I always thought I was intelligent, but facts don't match my thoughts... 16:06:04 so r 16:06:07 er* 16:06:07 I can't accomplish nearly nothing... 16:06:16 anything*, I mean 16:06:25 if I'm correct, you should get a degree in CS by the end of this year right? 16:06:27 (like, uni year) 16:06:41 iceTwy, it should be so, but I'm late 16:06:56 well then next year 16:06:59 and I will get even more late in the future, I can almost promise you 16:07:25 subjects are to be harder the third year (which will be my 4th year probably) 16:07:46 well, there's only one thing to do and you know what that is 16:07:49 while I'm here at IRC, *noone* at CS engineering has ever spent more than 1 day here.. 16:07:51 hard god damn work ;) 16:08:06 iceTwy, yes, and in solitude 16:08:19 you're not alone 16:08:19 welcome to my life! 16:08:27 stack overflow's here for youuuuuuuu 16:08:33 well okay that's not fun 16:08:43 why aren't you enjoying the great years of uni 16:08:55 uni years are the years you've got to enjoy life 16:09:32 I don't know where the problem is.... 16:10:08 I was even achieving some many progresses with psychotherapy 16:10:11 lately 16:10:17 well just go to your uni and go out with friends? ;) 16:10:19 *** anonnews545 (anonnews54@cryto-86802B9B.dhcp-dynamic.fibreop.nb.bellaliant.net) has joined #crytocc 16:10:25 to the point that I have a date pending with a stranger girl 16:10:32 friends? not anymore! 16:10:38 yes friends 16:10:49 the other thing is what I do everyday, going to uni and studying... 16:10:56 friends abandoned me! 16:11:06 and I abandoned those friends, I think 16:11:16 then make some more friends, move on 16:11:25 that can be a fairly challenging thing but that's the way to go 16:11:26 in the sense: "you abandoned me?? How could you?? We're not friend anymore!" 16:12:49 that would've been their initial reaction.. 16:13:09 it's like I did not meet anyone that interesting still 16:13:10 there still is a chance to get back to them and renew those bonds 16:13:25 the problem is that there's this one person I'm talking about 16:13:52 that was my closest friend and that now I don't want him to be around me in a 1km radius 16:14:27 shit does happen 16:14:33 to my eyes, it's just as: 16:14:38 but afaik, in an university, there are at least 2000+ students 16:15:13 it's just as weird as if he deleted any bond with me 16:15:19 I can't explain, he moved on 16:15:26 I wasn't enough for him to pay attention 16:15:27 anymore 16:15:41 because I was a genius in his opinions, the first time we met, years and years ago 16:15:54 ah 16:16:07 a friend of his saying "is he X? Is he the genius?" only because I read some "hacking" forum posts 16:16:27 then move on, too, lol 16:16:44 it's like I don't feel so much of a genius 16:16:57 I think I understand it being like this, now 16:17:04 (for the first time, I mean) 16:17:28 rightio 16:17:32 that's stupid though 16:17:36 (their reaction) 16:17:42 for the first time I think like the only thing the prevented me to move on was to not consider me so much of a genius, since the results I have 16:18:12 yeah, we had 13-14 years at the time too 16:18:24 hey that was 7 years ago 16:18:32 yes 16:18:41 this story runs for 5 now 16:18:49 that is, 5 years old thing 16:18:49 well heck, everyone in my school knew I was a geek 16:19:11 that's only reputation I think 16:19:24 well yeah but I was cool with everyone 16:19:25 unless 16:19:43 like I had no problems whatsoever with anyone, those years were super chill lol 16:19:51 I see.. 16:20:00 uhm 16:20:12 but still, just make friends at uni you know 16:20:25 try to hang out with people in your courses 16:20:29 and just have fun, know what I mean 16:20:44 it's so superficial that I enjoy more talking to a wall 16:20:52 sorry for crudity 16:20:57 you think it is superficial 16:21:14 uh 16:21:15 m 16:21:17 uhm* 16:21:17 but it's the basis for surviving in society and not ending up wasting yourself 16:21:37 so friendships, even if they aren't THAT deep, are vital 16:21:39 literally vital 16:21:57 and you see? Every intelligent person knows that and does that 16:22:15 they already knew that 16:22:17 and moved on 16:22:25 I wanted to stay with the same good friends 16:22:35 but then just couldn't because they wouldn't 16:22:44 so couldn't move on anything 16:22:55 ending up like I am now 16:23:19 I'm growing with hate for them and lots of hope for anything far from them 16:23:32 them == that person and eventually other people 16:24:03 it's like my life can't exist if I'm near he/them! 16:24:27 I'm forced to "build" my life and my relationships in places where they would never go! 16:24:57 if they'd find a job at the society I was dreaming of, I couldn't apply anymore for them 16:24:58 like 16:25:05 loggy, pointer 16:25:05 http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-02-20#T16-25-05 16:25:12 (lagging) 16:25:29 it does not matter where you are, you are bringing them with you in your mind...learn to move on 16:26:10 you can't move on if they are always 10 steps ahead of you in anything you accomplish in your *life* 16:26:23 maybe the point is that this last thing is not true 16:26:36 or will not be so forever 16:26:39 imo 16:27:34 maybe the point is living and let live, do what you do and let them do what they do 16:28:00 yes, but what happens when you make comparisosns 16:28:24 so, what's the solution? Maybe having something which is so much worth for you to make you overlook any comparison? 16:28:25 *** suller (suller@2266EB0.BF044A44.4E960128.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:28:34 that means you have not centered your life on you 16:28:52 explain 16:28:57 (feel free to, I mean) 16:30:17 well I gotta go 16:30:23 monod we'll continue this talk tonight 16:30:39 yes maybe 16:30:45 or whenever 16:31:03 but I think I should be up tonight 16:31:20 in a sense... 16:31:28 if you define your life in terms of comparison with others, you dont give a flying fuck about what you experience moment by moment, the sad, the fun, the up, the down... 16:32:12 you're not centered 16:33:32 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 16:33:43 your life is about comparing yorself with others and what is going on in their life, how much better they have it or not have it compare to yo 16:33:51 *** foolex has quit (Client exited) 16:34:14 I think that this is what everyone does 16:34:16 lietrally 16:34:19 nope 16:34:21 literally* 16:37:28 botpie91, tell iceTwy http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-02-20#T16-33-32 16:37:29 monod: I'll pass that on when iceTwy is around. 16:37:55 anonnews545, I think all the point is now revolving about immaturity, mine 16:38:05 many people get over it and go on living a life that is meaningful to them 16:38:36 "meaningful" it's the very right term now 16:39:11 a meaningful life, that is one life that you don't simply accept from others' rule, like "you have to do like this because it's what you have to do now" 16:39:25 but something you enjoy conducting your way 16:39:53 anonnews545, ^ 16:40:49 we all depend on each others, recognizing that is recognizing freedom is accepting the constraints of some rules 16:41:23 choosing the rules because some of them make sense 16:42:06 I did not mean the total absence of rules, indeed 16:42:18 I'm quite rigid with rules myself! 16:42:44 it's when it comes to "lifestyle rules" that maybe they become unacceptable to me? I don't know how to say this well 16:42:52 but, I have the example 16:44:24 the scenario is: me doing my stuff and living my life; then, comes the dude with better things and better everything and I ask myself "what? What is that?"; then, when I ask him what did he do, I discover a totally different road/path to living 16:44:37 I never wanted to outshine others, first. 16:44:46 so, maybe I never looked for outshine anyone 16:44:58 so, I never looked for the surplus of benefits for me 16:45:03 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 16:45:35 so, maybe, when I saw him with his perfect way that gave him results over results over results, I asked myself if it wasn't good for me too to follow his steps 16:46:14 you made choices, you just do not like some of the consequences...nobody has a perfect way, there is always compromises 16:46:23 the problem is that this steps are his life and I don't even know the chaos my life would have been if I wasn't following his life! 16:46:53 "anonnews545> you made choices, you just do not like some of the consequences" this could be true 16:46:58 can* be true 16:47:15 it usually is... 16:47:18 I alsos tarting to think that maybe the problem was with my parents and his parents 16:47:36 like if mine were less sophisticated 16:47:41 but also... less intelligent? 16:47:53 for sure they are older 16:47:55 elder* 16:48:00 than his 16:48:08 but anyway.... 16:48:25 maybe I'm just digressing and crying out like a baby now 16:49:17 wherever you are, you are responsible to make the choices which will make your life happier and more meaningful, drop him, his parents, your parents...that road leads nowhere 16:49:54 ok, so let's think about this "you are responsible to make the choices which will make your life happier and more meaningful," 16:50:01 let's concentrate on this, I mean 16:50:20 ok, so studying is one of those choices, apparently 16:50:48 what is the outcome you want? 16:51:04 studying is an activity, not an end 16:51:23 it's a hard question, but I'm not idling here 16:51:34 I mean, I'm thinking about it and it's hard 16:51:45 yup 16:51:52 because it can't just be "I want to be happy", I would have dropped all this story looooong ago then.. 16:52:16 why cant it be, being happy? 16:52:35 because, all in all, I already am, in a sense! 16:52:55 I know this *may* sound strange 16:53:02 but I mean something specifical: 16:53:30 what's the problem of remaining single forever? 16:53:41 none 16:53:48 I mean, nothing makes me run to get relationships 16:54:35 to get in touch with the girl that will stay with me forever 16:54:40 oh, so you mean... 16:55:04 so why pursuing something you dont want? Though most people who says that really want somebody, they are just afraid 16:55:25 nobody stays forever 16:55:49 if they dont leave, they die 16:56:09 it's all a so called "passage" 16:56:15 everyone is of "passage" 16:56:34 that is an euphemism, they die 16:56:53 "everyone is of passage" == act of passing through 16:57:01 in the physical sense 16:57:12 everyone moves into your life and then out 16:57:18 in one of the many way 16:57:22 e.g. death 16:57:27 so you mean 16:57:49 I was aiming at the wrong thing, that is something I only thought it was what I wanted, while it wasn't 16:57:51 ? 16:58:05 eh? 16:58:12 rephrasing 16:58:14 it 16:59:47 most people wants people who matters in their life, nothing wrong with that..we are social critters, the price to pay is that it hurts when they leave 17:00:33 uhm 17:00:38 some people get hung up on the pain they experienced when somebody left, and become afraid to try again 17:01:20 and what they don't realize is that everyone is of passage? 17:01:32 deal with the pain and move on...that is my two cents of pop psychology 17:02:04 but have you idea of what is the source of pain? 17:02:09 in my case 17:02:13 you can realize something intllectually, does not mean you can deal with it emotionally 17:02:47 I could I know that 17:03:00 how could I know that? 17:03:02 * 17:03:49 (by reading the previous pieces of conversation I think, unless you joined later on) ok, so another question then: how. to. deal. 17:04:05 I just have to deal with the pain and move on, you say 17:05:09 it's a pain like this: there's this A person who will ever, ever, ever be better than you, he's more intelligent than you, and you will never be in the opposite situation 17:05:11 not "just", its not easy 17:05:16 "you", is me 17:06:00 when you place me near him, you see a "5 to 7" and a "10." 17:06:11 I would not know, because I really dont give a fuck about somebody being smarter than me 17:06:12 and this will always be for the rest of life 17:06:44 I say good for them 17:07:15 I think I understand what you say: you say "good for them, but still I have my life, and it's good" 17:07:19 "and I like it" 17:07:21 sorta? 17:08:03 I say this because this is what holds for me in every other case! Just for him this does not hold true 17:08:24 not always good, sometimes its good, sometimes it sucks, but its my own unique life and I will make the best I can with it 17:08:28 and I would really know why, I would like to know of any question I could ask myself to understand why is that. 17:09:30 anonnews545, also: "the best I can with it" sounds like "limited": "I will never reach 10, but I will anyway try to achieve even 6 because I like to be alive", and I think I've got rejection for limitedness since meeting this person 17:09:49 like if he made me never settle on my own results and always wanting for more, and more, and more.... 17:10:05 while this wasn't my nature, and it is not 17:10:21 (like I'm not behaving as myself) 17:10:29 why do you give a shit about him to begin with? 17:10:55 I can begin with the fact that we were friends, e.g. 17:11:07 then i should tell you how much of a friend it was for me 17:11:41 it was my "friendship dream" come true, a sort of computer programmers alliance I had dreamed just before entering highschool, at 13-14 17:12:13 sigh....well, he moved on...so should you 17:13:08 *** Zekka (zekka@Zekka.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 17:13:21 you're so stuck on that one person that it blinds you from what is here and now and the other opportunities to make other friends 17:13:21 anonnews545, I had no other friends like this one 17:13:34 yes ^ 17:13:46 and I'd like to free myself from this disaster 17:13:56 I don't know how 17:14:18 and you never will have somebody exactly like him, everybody is unique and irreplaceable 17:14:31 but what I have to do now 17:14:44 yup 17:14:47 I don't mind if noone will ever be identical to him 17:14:54 I really don't need another X 17:15:15 maybe I just haven't met anyone who made me ring a bell in the head? 17:16:11 it can take times, but it takes longer if you're hooked on the past, because you dont see what is here and now 17:16:39 one thing that is happening is that my level of acceptance of others has dropped a lot and now I start accepting people I don't even like at all... 17:18:03 04FichteFoll made 2 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add ExpandRegion package', '02Merge pull request #2857 from aronwoost/add-expandregion-packageAdd ExpandRegion package' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/e8a4e15628...cff1ce6c4a) 17:18:11 "it can take times", to what? 17:18:18 "dealing with it" ? 17:19:13 to meet somebody you click with 17:19:57 hmm 17:21:07 and what do you say about : 17:21:20 anonnews545, " one thing that is happening is that my level of acceptance of others has dropped a lot and now I start accepting people I don't even like at all..." 17:22:04 people we care about and care about us are a gift, and we never know when we will meet them 17:22:04 I got only 4 and one is dying of cancer 17:22:33 nothing wrong about accepting people, as long as you have boundaries about how they treat you 17:24:46 maybe there's something wrong in thinking to be better than people who does not have a lowered level of acceptance of others? 17:25:03 also, wondering about "anonnews545> people we care about and care about us are a gift," 17:25:36 I mean, I think this phrase should be payed some extra attention to 17:25:54 (than what I can at the moment) 17:25:56 you seem to have a crazy system of rating people on their intelligence, like that really matters, instead of considering the quality of the relationship...better being friend with an idiot who treat you well than hanging with a "superior" being who makes you jump hoops 17:26:41 the problem is that this crazy system is what I think others use on others 17:26:48 on me, included 17:26:55 I never used it... 17:27:01 what you cant seem to handle is the rejection of your friend which makes you feel less intelligent 17:27:13 yes 17:27:16 not enough 17:27:53 its your problem, not his...first because you suscribe to the same system of rating people than he does 17:28:02 (like if he judged me not to be enough interesting to him (because not enough intelligent) so he hadn't any more interest) 17:29:15 " its your problem, not his...first because you suscribe to the same system of rating people than he does", oh, you mean... if HE wants to judge people like that, be he free to do so, but what about how *I* want to judge others? sorta? 17:31:10 we all judge people according to what matters to us 17:32:08 uhm 17:32:15 when they way we judge thing makes us miserable, its time tochange our perspective 17:32:50 "they way"? 17:32:59 the* 17:33:42 oh 17:34:08 you have a very clear mind 17:34:23 I just feel frenetic when I get into these conversations 17:34:36 from my point of view, you are wasting your life obsessing over somebody who has move on a long time ago because what you cant deal with his the rejection 17:35:30 you are not your own best friend 17:36:12 if I was to not care about his "superiority" I was to miss opportunities to improve myself, don't I? 17:36:40 wasn't* I 17:36:59 you are missing on the most important opportunity, loving yourself for who you are and make the best of it 17:37:19 you cannot improve what you dont love 17:37:34 but "loving myself for what I am", but what am I????? 17:37:42 I am what I know I am 17:39:02 I need your clarity 17:39:29 no, you need your own clarity 17:39:48 I was just going to say "btw, maybe it will come to me when I will solve this" 17:40:12 anyway, I mean I would like to have a clear mind on this so badly 17:40:24 but the only thing I can do is not understanding anything at all 17:40:48 oops 17:40:57 "but the only thing I can do best is not understanding anything at all" 17:41:04 its part of life to not know everything, even about ourselves 17:41:21 so now all the castle is falling apart 17:41:35 I thought I was going to ask myself to understand me better 17:41:52 get a pet or a plant and start taking care of it 17:42:14 this is cruel 17:42:23 why? 17:42:39 because I already knew about this fact, but I really couldn't even take care of any of those two 17:42:52 not that I'm not able to 17:42:56 or willing 17:43:16 that is contradictory 17:43:30 I "am" so bad that I can't have anything 17:43:53 a cactus is really low maintainance 17:44:39 learning to care about something living will teach you about caring about yourself 17:44:50 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 17:45:14 will teach me what it takes in life to take care of living things? 17:45:17 beings* 17:46:18 living things are not like computers, you cant "solve" them...its not intellectual 17:46:42 you just learn to do what it takes to nurture them 17:47:09 which teach you the basics to nurture you 17:47:45 you're trying to think your way out of your problems, it does not work that way 17:47:56 and is this going to help me move on with that problem? 17:48:47 its a step...at least you will have to stop for a sec obsessing about him to water your plant or feed your goldfish 17:49:33 my best friend is dying but I still have to walk the dogs 17:50:39 for a moment I thought you were the same person I was talking about, you know? 17:51:14 well, I am not 17:51:27 anyway 17:53:11 yes? 17:53:20 lots of thoughts 17:53:27 too many 17:55:08 intelligence is overrated, it makes people believe they can solve everything by thinking long enough about it 17:55:44 how old are you? 17:55:49 if you can tell 17:55:55 otherwise, I'm sorry 17:55:55 old enough :P 17:56:12 and in years ranges? 17:56:51 somewhere in between 20 and 100 yo...depends on how I feel that day 17:57:29 ok 17:58:27 you resemble him too much 17:58:35 *** Cryto101 (Cryto101@445788B2.635F9C88.47189C3B.IP) has joined #crytocc 17:58:40 this network is fairly new, no? 17:59:05 not so much, 1+ year for sure 17:59:21 plus, he does not use IRC so often 17:59:39 yea, I was trying to find the irc addy 17:59:49 addy? 17:59:55 address 18:00:22 to add on my irc cleint 18:00:25 client 18:00:28 *** seaanon (seaanon@A181BD6D.F3A064DE.5A7DA7C8.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:01:21 *** crytocc831 (crytocc831@681A38FD.4B62F9A9.A570E5CB.IP) has joined #crytocc 18:01:47 can you understand what a "joke" on me would it be if you were him 18:01:59 anonnews545, ^ 18:02:16 and I'm also sorry for this paranoidness 18:03:00 well, I am not him, and I am not even a him 18:03:40 *** seaanon has quit (Client exited) 18:03:42 this last thing sounds very hard to believe, but you can see how lost I am 18:03:57 so please, just consider this fear... 18:04:15 and now I think I'll try and shut paranoid's door 18:04:21 *** crytocc831 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:04:57 *** nicholas-b1242 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:05:03 *** S1renide (S1renide@cryto-4DF472E.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 18:05:42 okay...gotta run 18:05:44 oh 18:05:46 bye 18:05:47 can we 18:05:52 keep in contact later? 18:06:01 another day, in the future 18:06:10 whenever it will be 18:06:24 *** S1renide has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 18:06:28 and thanks 18:06:38 mmmm...if I drop by...sure 18:06:44 ok thanks 18:06:45 yw 18:06:53 have a nice day 18:07:07 *** anonnews545 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 18:17:12 *** Cryto101 has quit (User quit: Page closed) 18:19:28 I'm not the best advertising for a coding collective channel 18:41:18 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 18:47:20 me and anonnews545 talked a lot, iceTwy 19:03:06 *** complex (litehode@complex.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:05:36 i guess most of you are aware, but: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/ 19:33:35 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 19:34:55 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 19:42:30 *** foolex has quit (Ping timeout) 19:48:05 *** foolex (foolex@5D6B0912.EC145393.9A74EEF1.IP) has joined #crytocc 20:41:00 *** Researcher has quit (Ping timeout) 20:44:59 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 20:49:38 *** anonnews423 (anonnews42@cryto-6ECE56BE.umd.edu) has joined #crytocc 20:52:57 ?? 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(serious question) 21:47:21 sometimes i get this nasty diarrhea smell of my fart. its awful, and i wonder if it is what i eat or something else 21:52:02 well, i should respect this channel more. im sorry for being a douche 21:56:13 so like 21:56:14 iceTwy: 16:37Z tell iceTwy http://wire.cryto.net/logs/crytocc/2014-02-20#T16-33-32 21:56:18 fucking sweet 21:56:19 http://spdycheck.org/#icetwy.re 21:56:40 nginx has finally implemented spdy3.1 21:56:40 cc dorotea ^ 22:46:57 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 22:51:17 *** complex has quit (Input/output error) 23:33:53 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-8D4BA9A4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #crytocc 23:39:19 *** pzuraq_ (pzuraq@cryto-8D4BA9A4.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #crytocc 23:40:59 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 23:46:03 04FichteFoll made 4 commit(s) to 03package_control_channel on branch 10master: '02Add package info', '02Use proper label', '02Fix "author" or "details" field required', '02Merge pull request #2859 from tralamazza/masterOpenScad language syntax' (https://github.com/wbond/package_control_channel/compare/cff1ce6c4a...8cec7229b9)