01:04:44 *** zest has quit (User quit: have fun :P) 01:05:05 *** ttmbRAT (ttmbRAT@cryto-7026F986.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 01:06:27 *** ttmbRAT has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 01:32:09 *** Zekka has quit (Ping timeout) 01:39:11 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 01:39:36 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-B10F1177.sub-70-197-5.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 01:45:20 *** iceTwy_znc has quit (User quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 01:45:35 *** iceTwy_znc (iceTwy_znc@iceTwyznc-07274.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:59:10 *** Philosoraptor (user@Philosoraptor.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 01:59:28 *** iceTwy has quit (Ping timeout) 02:15:46 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 02:27:48 iceTwy_znc, 02:27:51 here I am 02:27:52 uhm 02:28:02 privacy policy on data retention/protection 02:28:36 first thing, I should translate it to Italian, secondly: does not sound like something I know :/ 02:28:51 if it's important I may search for learning more about it 02:29:23 I now go to sleep 02:29:27 cya.. 02:29:31 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-B10F1177.sub-70-197-5.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 02:29:33 *** monod has quit (User quit: night!) 02:57:33 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 03:01:50 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-13D3352E.sub-70-211-76.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 04:01:22 *** suller_ (suller@383F86C0.85846552.10FAF6FD.IP) has joined #crytocc 04:02:54 *** suller has quit (Ping timeout) 04:08:49 *** Ari has quit (Ping timeout) 04:20:56 *** Researcher (SysAdmin@lebnodes.com) has joined #crytocc 04:38:03 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 04:41:03 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BB274980.sub-70-197-70.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 04:45:18 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 04:46:07 *** Ari has quit (User quit: Leaving) 04:51:15 can anybody furnish me with a pdf of this article so I can read it? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/opinion/prodi-how-ukraine-can-be-saved.html 04:51:27 or the text or something 04:51:29 pastebin acceptable 04:52:30 or iceb.in since iceTwy_znc hosts it ;D 05:04:09 *** Ari (Ari@Ari.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 05:29:10 *** Philosoraptor has quit (Input/output error) 05:47:06 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 06:00:35 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@35245E3.689D9C5B.D52CAABB.IP) has joined #crytocc 06:56:35 That's one funny article 06:56:59 But maybe I don't read enough of press on the thing, so can still be easily amused ;) 07:01:23 my teacher was enraged by it 07:01:25 :D 07:02:04 but, yes, let's let A negotiate with C over B's fate 07:02:05 DERP 07:02:37 * dorotea sleeps 07:16:51 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 07:18:00 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@35245E3.689D9C5B.D52CAABB.IP) has joined #crytocc 07:22:07 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 07:47:12 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BB274980.sub-70-197-70.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 09:02:11 *** cliffordo8470 (cliffordo8@cryto-A0B9BAE5.vnet.sk) has joined #crytocc 09:08:46 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 09:10:02 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BB274980.sub-70-197-70.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 09:37:54 *** pzuraq has quit (Input/output error) 09:45:19 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BB274980.sub-70-197-70.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 10:39:30 *** vld has quit (Ping timeout) 10:45:58 *** vld (vld@vld.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 10:48:33 *** pzuraq has quit (Ping timeout) 10:51:10 *** pzuraq (pzuraq@cryto-BB274980.sub-70-197-70.myvzw.com) has joined #crytocc 10:52:48 *** pzuraq has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:00:45 X11 tunneling is kinda awesome 11:01:34 dorotea: 11:01:36 "But the West must make clear to Moscow that Ukraine ā?? a bridge between East and West ā?? should not be the object of geopolitical games. " 11:01:49 ah, you mean like discussing over their heads about their fate? those kind of 'geopolitical games'? 11:01:50 >.> 11:05:04 *** fanat1ck (fanat1ck@cryto-40AE9F7C.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 11:06:26 *** fanat1ck has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 11:21:30 *** Moh (Happax@cryto-B2261126.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) has joined #crytocc 11:39:33 *** iceTwy (iceTwy@iceTwy.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 11:40:41 seriously 11:41:12 coming into #crytocc at noon and having ZNC playback the chat history is frankly 11:41:14 fucking 11:41:16 amazing 11:58:45 heh 12:08:42 iceTwy: if you want to read about the biggest DRM failure you've never heard of, google for "starforce" 12:08:43 heh 12:09:02 "copy protection" that required installing an unsigned unstable proprietary driver 12:09:03 isn't that a DRM system using in video games? 12:09:05 to be able to run software 12:09:10 used* 12:09:13 that was notorious for causing BSODs 12:09:30 after a year or so of complaints, most of the publishers threw in the towel 12:09:35 and published no-CD patches on their own sites 12:09:36 lol 12:09:48 iceTwy: correct 12:09:55 rofl 12:09:55 a notoriously bad one 12:10:04 SpellForce 2 used it 12:10:22 JoWood was amongst the publishers who eventually were just like "okay, fuck this shit, we've had enough, here's a fucking no-CD patch and now stop bothering us" 12:10:29 lol 12:10:57 lol 12:11:26 completely unrelated 12:11:30 Tropico has a beautiful disc label 12:11:35 guuuuuuh 12:11:39 this is so annoying 12:11:58 half-shiny blue-hued screenshot of the game 12:12:08 age of mythology also has an awesome disc label, pseudo-holographic 12:12:12 iceTwy: what is? :p 12:12:30 my choices for a 1GB KVM VPS in a country such as Switzerland/Iceland are limited to: 12:12:34 you name it 12:13:37 well, there's BlueVM in switzerland 12:13:39 but that's still a US company 12:13:56 ah, right, I forgot that bit 12:14:10 I'm still not sure I understand why you're looking for VPSes there, though 12:14:13 :P 12:14:22 from either an Icelandic, Swiss, Panaman, Costa-Rican, etc company 12:14:24 :P 12:14:56 mmmm 12:14:57 sec 12:15:08 (but my question remains) 12:17:40 iceTwy: ? 12:19:15 *** whatsup (whatsup@cryto-5A84CAEB.solidonetworks.com) has joined #crytocc 12:19:52 hello 12:19:58 .welcome whatsup 12:19:59 whatsup: welcome to #crytocc! Please be aware that this channel is publicly logged, and make sure to read the rules in the channel topic. You may hide messages from the public logs by prefixing them with [off]. 12:20:48 what this channel is about? bitcoin? 12:21:14 it's primarily about development, but pretty much anything goes, as long as it doesn't violate the rules in the topic 12:21:21 well, the only /reliable/ choice is edis 12:21:39 why no anonymous? 12:21:49 there's CHVPS but they're shit 12:21:51 are you fignting against anons? 12:21:53 iceTwy: it's still unclear to me why you're looking for VPSes or companies in particular locations 12:22:00 whatsup: no 12:22:10 joepie91: just for trying those locations lol 12:22:12 it's forbidden as a topic in here, because it caused too many problems in the past 12:22:21 iceTwy: trying, for what purpose? :| 12:22:33 having an illusory sense of heightened privacy 12:22:39 ;) 12:22:54 if you recognize that yourself, then I'm not sure why you're still trying :P 12:23:00 i have a question that makes me crazy 12:23:06 beeeeeeecause it's fun, joepie91 12:23:09 :p 12:23:13 * joepie91 will be amazed if imaging this disc finishes successfully without read errors 12:23:24 whatsup: if it's about Anonymous, it's better suited to #anonnews 12:23:29 same for cracking 12:23:32 otherwise, ask away 12:23:40 no it s not about anons 12:24:05 Copying data track 1 (MODE1_RAW): start 00:00:00, length 50:17:44 to "cdrom/RollerCoaster Tycoon Added Attractions EU.bin"... 12:24:09 at 33:43 now... 12:24:20 why do millions of ppl obey to few ppl that fuck them 12:24:41 whatsup: the answer to that is complicated, but a key factor is learned helplessness 12:25:06 learned helplessness 12:25:12 firts time i hear about it 12:25:14 .w learned helplessness 12:25:15 Couldn't get any definitions for learned helplessness. 12:25:19 what? 12:25:26 .wik learned helplessness 12:25:27 "Learned helplessness is a mental state in which an organism forced to endure aversive stimuli, or stimuli that are painful or otherwise unpleasant, becomes unable or unwilling to avoid subsequent encounters with those stimuli, even if they are escapable, presumably [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness 12:25:34 right, I was using the wrong command :P 12:26:01 very interesting 12:26:45 ... wow, my disc image failed without read errors 12:26:48 * joepie91 is genuinely amazed 12:28:15 thnx joepie91 for the concept 12:29:01 but don t you believe it is also because the majority of ppl are stupid ? 12:29:18 just an hypothesis, i don t believe it myself 12:29:20 whatsup: define "stupid" 12:30:42 stupid: a person that can't change the view of the world he aquared during childhood (by parents, school, media...) 12:30:57 I'd call that "ignorant" rather than "stupid" 12:31:24 and yes, many people -are- ignorant - but the important thing is -why- they are ignorant 12:31:53 ignorant may be curious and search then become less ignorant 12:32:10 yes, and I don't see how that's any different for what you call "stupid" :) 12:32:32 from personal experience, I've found that virtually anybody -can- think about things 12:32:39 ok i ll try to explain 12:32:43 just most of them don't, and usually that's because of things like learned helplessness 12:33:31 what about religious people that believe they are right all the time? 12:33:54 what about them? 12:36:31 *** whatsup has quit (Ping timeout) 12:38:13 *** question (question@cryto-54326F0E.ipredator.se) has joined #crytocc 12:38:31 this is whatsup 12:38:36 question: wb :) 12:38:43 sorry its my internet connection 12:39:11 so i said about religious people 12:39:18 what about religious people that believe they are right all the time? 12:39:19 what about them? 12:39:19 - whatsup quit (Ping timeout) 12:39:21 the majority are stupid 12:39:45 its me whatsup :) 12:39:49 question: that has very little to do with religion 12:39:59 yes 12:40:01 plenty of atheists being just as stubborn or ignorant 12:40:03 just about other topics 12:40:09 it has to do with stupidity 12:40:22 i agree 12:40:22 again, I wouldn't call it stupidity 12:40:25 but ignorance 12:40:32 stupidity is too vague of a term really 12:41:04 but an ignorant can be intelligent and curious 12:41:04 he can change his point of view 12:41:15 while a stupid person acnt 12:41:25 this is the big difference 12:41:26 question: I'll repeat what I said before 12:41:32 from personal experience, I've found that virtually anybody -can- think about things 12:41:36 just most of them don't, and usually that's because of things like learned helplessness 12:42:06 the amount of people I've spoken to, who I genuinely believe might not be capable of changing their point of view... I can count it on a single hand 12:42:13 i will do some researchs about learned helplessness 12:42:16 and even then I'm not sure 12:42:37 question: let me give you an example, to better understand my point 12:42:39 but wait joepie91 12:43:09 a lot of older people (say, >40) are having trouble with modern electronics, unsure how to solve problems and so on 12:43:22 and when you help them, they will be completely clueless, and have no idea what you're doing or why 12:43:35 and they'll ask you seemingly stupid questions 12:43:50 ... until you ask them their OWN questions, but phrased differently, so that they don't recognize it as their own question 12:44:00 and they'll immediately answer their own question, almost always correctly 12:44:16 you see what i mean ?? 12:44:16 they may be more intelligent than the avarage 12:44:16 in general, people that are open to discution, are generally less tupid 12:44:40 it's not that they don't understand it, or that they are uncapable of understanding it... it's that something is holding them back from -trying- to understand it, some kind of barrier 12:45:02 question: please make sure to read my example carefully, because it's very relevant to your point 12:47:16 *** question has quit (Ping timeout) 12:47:20 .. 12:49:14 *** question (question@D525E5E2.E97D15D0.167F959F.IP) has joined #crytocc 12:49:24 sorry again 12:49:30 in general, people that are open to discution, are generally less tupid 12:49:31 it's not that they don't understand it, or that they are uncapable of understanding it... it's that something is holding them back from -trying- to understand it, some kind of barrier 12:49:31 question: please make sure to read my example carefully, because it's very relevant to your point 12:49:31 - question quit (Ping timeout) 12:49:31 wb 12:49:33 the fucking connection 12:50:35 and this barrier is the learned helplessness ? 12:50:51 or it is more general ? 12:50:58 question: not in the case of older people not understanding technology 12:51:03 the barrier is different depending on topic 12:51:08 and there might be more than one barrier in some cases 12:51:15 but it's the same concept in the end 12:51:45 learned helplessness is one of the barriers when it comes to understanding/accepting how the world functions etc. 12:52:15 joepie91: have you ever tried to convince a person who believe god exists, paradise, hell ... 12:52:16 I guess that, to summarize it, it's not that people *can't* understand it, but they don't *want* to understand it (or believe they can't) 12:52:34 I have had a memorable discussion with a very religious person 12:52:40 at the local occupy camp, a few years ago 12:52:48 lol 12:53:00 the discussion ended at both of us acknowledging that neither of us could really know for sure 12:53:12 and that both of us took the path that seemed to provide the best results 12:53:14 lol 12:53:42 i tried once 12:54:26 question: the trick is taking away the barriers for people 12:54:26 finally i said to the guy i am not sure about the evolution theory (as theoretically nothing is 100% true) 12:54:38 recognizing the barriers, and taking them awya 12:54:40 away * 12:54:58 the guy responded to me: so take my reality, i am sure god exists :) 12:55:37 question: I've been doing a lot of discussing in the past few years... I sort of specialize myself in psychology / social engineering, which is one of the reasons I discuss so much 12:55:47 both to understand how people think, and to experiment with how to affect that thinking 12:56:06 a subtle difference in how you bring things, can completely change how somebody responds to it 12:56:16 have you written some articles about it? 12:56:37 you may very well have brought up the same point as I did, and even the slightest difference might make it work for me but not for you (or the other way around, I'm not under the impression that I do everything perfectly :P) 12:56:40 well, kind of 12:56:41 i see what you mean 12:56:53 my blog has a bunch of stuff: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/ 12:56:58 some of those also touch on psychology 12:57:22 anti-solutionism and "but we have to do something" are probably the most obvious ones 12:57:40 but i am not really convinced 12:58:17 why not all ppl have that kind of "barrier" ?? 12:58:37 because people live and grow up in different environments 12:58:54 many ppl that are initially religious finish by being atheist 12:58:58 so either the barrier might never have been created (because of something not happening in their life) 12:59:03 or it might've been broken down by some past experience 12:59:15 right 12:59:26 if you discuss the topic with people who went atheist after a while 12:59:32 you'll find that it was a long and hard process 12:59:36 for them 12:59:39 lol 12:59:44 (exceptions exist, but as a general rule of thumb) 12:59:54 yes i see 13:00:00 say that somebody took 5 years to become an atheist 13:00:08 they fighten against the barrier 13:00:11 for 4 of those, to just make a rough guess, as an outsider they would've looked "ignorant" 13:00:13 or "stupid" 13:00:32 but 13:00:43 that doesn't mean that they're incapable of changing their viewpoints... they just haven't gotten there yet 13:01:14 but they have something ppl in general dont 13:01:24 like what? 13:01:28 some kind of curiosity 13:01:36 or courage 13:01:37 I disagree 13:01:50 I've seen virtually everybody have that, it's just often not obvious 13:01:54 look 13:02:04 the thing is that you're looking at things like a 'snapshot' 13:02:12 either somebody is curious, or they're not 13:02:15 that's not how people work 13:02:24 if you look around you again in 5 years 13:02:32 then suddenly you will see "open-minded" people who you would've called stubborn today 13:03:00 that they still look stubborn today, doesn't mean that they don't _have_ that curiosity - it's just either not triggered, or not finished 13:03:02 ok i see :) 13:03:39 so why not all people can surmont the barrier ? 13:03:45 ?? 13:03:48 what makes you think they can't? 13:03:59 maybe they can 13:04:09 but they dont do 13:04:19 not yet, no 13:04:30 and that can be for any amount of reasons 13:04:34 either they're still "working on it" 13:04:41 many ppl age and dy ignorant 13:04:44 or they need some help to look at it from another point of view 13:04:48 etc. 13:04:57 I'm again not sure I would agree with that 13:05:20 once 13:05:24 if you talk to somebody who's 60-70 years old, you'll often find that they understand the problems in society perfectly well 13:05:31 yes 13:05:37 they've just run out of energy to do anything about them 13:06:17 once 13:06:38 i tried to explain how money is crated 13:06:42 *created 13:06:48 to a friend 13:07:45 question: have you tried asking questions, instead of giving explanations? 13:08:46 *** question_ (question@cryto-35BD8DF.csail.mit.edu) has joined #crytocc 13:09:00 he finlly understood 13:09:16 you disconnected 13:09:26 but he told me he cant explain that to an other person 13:09:28 last I got before you disconnected: to a friend 13:09:47 *** question has quit (Ping timeout) 13:09:50 yes it s because of the fucking tor 13:10:02 lol 13:10:09 TOR is usually not -that- unstable :P 13:10:27 that s strange 13:10:40 try renewing the circuit and connecting again 13:10:43 maybe nsa tries to censore my :) 13:10:45 perhaps you'll get a more stable route 13:10:57 doubtful 13:11:10 i tried many times 13:11:22 but it doesnt matter 13:11:31 i mean 13:11:47 i tried to explain thing to my ex girlfriend 13:12:05 she was studying economics 13:12:25 she does even not listened to me 13:12:43 she has just repeated: that is false !! 13:13:04 right 13:13:07 before you disconnected: 13:13:08 question: have you tried asking questions, instead of giving explanations? 13:13:14 just because some ppl form righ extrem talk about it 13:13:28 no 13:13:33 try it some time 13:13:37 ask her to explain how money is created 13:13:42 ask about the nitty-gritty details 13:13:48 about everything that seems unclear 13:13:49 i asked 13:13:55 eventually she'll realize "uh, I can't actually explain this" 13:13:57 *** xz_ has quit (Client exited) 13:14:08 *** xz_ (root@cryto-FAFB75BA.torproject.afo-tm.org) has joined #crytocc 13:14:10 she saied it is difficult to understand lol 13:14:20 the barrier here is almost certainly that she thinks that she knows everything about the financial system, so no matter what anybody says, it will always be wrong, because "she already knows" 13:14:32 by asking questions about the nitty gritty details that she can't answer, you 'break' that barrier 13:14:35 and then you can have a real discussion 13:14:45 she'd just have to realize that she doesn't know everything 13:14:56 can have a real discussion or get dumped :P 13:15:12 lol MK_FG 13:15:28 joepie91: maybe you re right 13:15:41 it needs more energy 13:15:47 more time 13:16:03 question_: this is what I mean with "recognizing and breaking barriers" - you need to try and understand -why- people refuse to listen, -what- is holding them back, and try to break that down... it requires a lot of time and energy and experimenting, but it's absolutely worth it 13:16:08 yes 13:16:46 fwiw, people usually call these barriers a 'bias' - but most people will interpret that term as something differently 13:16:51 which is why I call it a barrier 13:17:39 i need to think about this theory of barrier a time 13:17:50 take your time :) 13:18:12 do you know why amerandian refused slavery 13:18:25 and africans accepted it ? 13:18:33 amerandian? 13:18:49 i mean original people of the actual usa 13:18:53 ah 13:19:04 I have no idea, I'm not familiar enough with the history of that 13:19:16 but if I had to take a wild guess, it was probably related to weapons in some way 13:19:52 but yeah, wild guess 13:19:54 amerindian was exterminated because they disobeid 13:20:45 the question of slavery has nothing to do with barrier 13:21:35 as I said, I don't know enough about the topic to comment :P 13:22:33 *** whatsup (whatsup@cryto-91A00DD0.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 13:22:44 its me question_ 13:22:52 i saied 13:23:35 dying right now 13:23:36 or being slave all your life untell you die 13:23:45 *** anonO_o (anonO_o@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 13:23:45 *** question_ has quit (Ping timeout) 13:23:51 if you have to chose between 13:24:06 you must be stupid to take the first choice 13:24:07 oooh 13:24:12 hai 13:24:35 *** anonO_o has quit (User quit: switching servers) 13:24:51 *** anonO_o (anonO_o@cryto-C630644E.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is) has joined #crytocc 13:24:57 there is something different between africans and amerindians 13:25:57 joepie91: how do you understant accepting slavery? 13:26:48 whatsup: I really don't know much about the history of slavery; but in a generic sense, there could be many reasons for choosing to die over choosing to be a slave 13:26:53 joe <3 13:27:13 honour/pride, religious belief, spite... 13:27:16 ohai anonO_o 13:27:30 ok i see what you mean 13:29:11 i would like to creat a privite channel about the NSA 13:29:24 anybody is interested to talk about 13:29:52 i mean a non public channel about nsa 13:34:17 goddamnit 13:34:21 bicycle got stolen 13:35:00 whatsup: how do you mean a "non public" channel? 13:35:33 joepie91: it is because you said to me this channel is public 13:36:06 whatsup: it's publicly logged 13:36:12 that is, searchable through Google 13:36:18 and logs are accessible to anybody 13:36:28 but realistically, a 'private IRC channel' is not really possible 13:36:51 so that is not the right place to talk about nsa 13:37:00 there is no right place :) 13:37:12 i's everywhere 13:37:31 ok so lets talk about it here 13:38:21 dont you believe the nsa is less powerfull than expected after the leaks of snowden? 13:38:28 i mean 13:38:35 a year ago 13:39:11 i read something like the nsa have a quantum computer and can broke any kind of encryption 13:39:55 I wouldn't be naive enough to believe that the NSA or the US is going to stop or reduce its incursion into the world's lives in the name of its own security 13:40:17 if anything, more will happen, just this time there won't be snowdens to leak it as much 13:40:50 you don't give up fiber connects because someone is whining about their phone messages 13:41:01 lol 13:41:35 be what about the capacities of this fucking agency 13:41:38 dont you believe they are weak? 13:41:55 their only weakness is the use of Microsoft Powerpoint 13:42:02 be what about the capacities of this fucking agency 13:42:08 they just use some fucking hakers and money 13:42:18 lol 13:42:54 no terrible advanced computer 13:43:26 no specific technology to broke encription 13:43:34 ... 13:43:36 ... 13:43:36 you see what i mean? 13:43:57 no. money is an amazingly powerful thing. 13:44:42 so is social engineering, blackmail, and a hammer on your knees 13:45:12 i dont understand how some hacker can sell themselfs as bitches to the nsa 13:46:20 Bingo! they are bitches . 13:46:34 what is the budget of this fucking agency? 13:47:15 i hope the percentage of bitches among hackers is not very high 13:47:17 lol 13:47:23 LOL 13:48:36 no one will ever know what the NSA budgets really are 13:49:06 before snowden revelations 13:49:35 i used to believe they have a kind of secrete spying technology 13:49:49 given the money they have access to 13:50:44 now i discover the use the same technics as a ordinary hacker 13:50:52 *they use 13:51:22 If the good hackers just stand by,the percentage will be higher and higher. 13:52:03 and they take personnal data from some fucking companies like google and facebook 13:52:26 s/some/all/g 13:53:47 whats: they use the same techniques... except they have access to fiber optic cables, and a lot of funding to buy exploits 13:54:07 that's their "edge" 13:54:17 suller: maybe that is the explaination 13:56:53 *** j0rd4n23 (j0rd4n23@j0rd4n23.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 13:57:40 *** anonO_o has quit (User quit: jIRCii - http://www.oldschoolirc.com) 13:59:14 * suller_ shrugs "The greatest talkers are always least doers." including me 14:00:30 lol 14:01:39 sometimes it's a balance maybe ,but who knows 14:02:12 Another "edge" might be that you can't really refuse to cooperate with these agencies easily/legitimately 14:02:37 suller_: what do you mean by a balance? 14:02:57 well, this is what is left of my bicycle lock: http://owely.com/91pcbWO 14:04:43 joepie91: this is the crisis, people with no transport mean steal bicycles 14:04:53 whatsup: ... no, it's not 14:05:05 ??? 14:05:05 I live in the Netherlands 14:05:11 bicycle theft is a constant problem here 14:05:14 and has been for as long as I can remember 14:05:27 because there's so many, and everybody wants/uses them 14:06:21 ok so maybe the person will bring back the bicycle :) 14:07:04 whatsup: what makes you think that? 14:07:27 i am kidding !! 14:07:35