00:12:22 *** iceTwy has quit (Input/output error) 00:26:35 MK_FG:) perception is reality, duh 00:28:33 *** Sonic1 has quit (Ping timeout) 00:29:44 *** ^Xires (xires@cryto-FE316B49.feedthetrolls.net) has joined #crytocc 00:51:57 *** Sonic (Mcloven@cryto-9F42E372.static.internode.on.net) has joined #crytocc 02:23:42 *** Philosoraptor has quit (Ping timeout) 02:23:46 fucking love geopolitics http://thediplomat.com/2014/03/how-ukraine-spillover-could-complicate-the-us-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/ 02:38:35 *** warned\ (warned@29745580.5C7DEE5C.6BDDE61D.IP) has joined #crytocc 02:40:43 *** warned has quit (Ping timeout) 03:05:04 *** RATherder (RATherder@cryto-7EC5E872.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #crytocc 03:06:26 *** RATherder has quit (User quit: Connection closed) 04:38:37 dorotea, Hell is after death, are you implying "perception" exists then? ;) 04:46:23 hey fuck you asshole inhabiting the universe of forms 04:46:26 MK_FG:) ^ 04:48:17 Well, I can get why things that virtual things people are talking about can/do be considered "existing", but with hell, and especially to "burn" there, it seem to be insufficient :P 05:08:43 I suppose we'd have to determine if it was endo or exothermic and such 05:09:09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCkIYkaLBGs 05:09:12 .title 05:09:13 dorotea: M.I.A. - "Bring The Noize" (Official Video) - YouTube 05:11:06 Exothermic... wat? ;) 05:11:25 :0 05:11:35 also 05:11:37 .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY9qS-qaako 05:11:38 dorotea: Skrillex - First of the year [GOAT EDITION] - YouTube 05:11:48 :3 05:15:03 .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlcIKh6sBtc 05:15:04 dorotea: Lorde - Royals (US Version) - YouTube 08:28:40 [00:42:06] MK_FG, Xeross, joepie91: if Bitcoin exchanges are going to fail like MtGox did (and for some reason, my pinky tells me they will), then everyone will get to trade BTC over-the-counter/IRL 08:28:47 doubtful; there appear to be some competent players 08:30:03 ElectRo`: the nakamoto story is just amazing, and not in a good way 08:32:37 joepie91: Let's call someone out that potentially has 10s of millions of USD in bitcoins, that will end well 08:32:55 Even worse is that newsweek is behind a paywall too, bunch of money grabbing bastards 08:35:12 ah, so I'm not the only one getting a paywall 08:36:35 joepie91: somehow I already read 5 of their articles 08:36:39 So now they want 10USD a month. 08:36:42 btw, Xeross, http://pastebin.com/Cecy2sbX 08:36:45 yeah 08:36:48 it told me that as well 08:36:52 I _never_ read newsweek 08:36:56 so evidently their paywal is broken 08:37:06 did you also notice that it has an intentionally frustrating 5 second delay? 08:37:10 look at the cookie identifier lol 08:37:23 at least it loads again now 08:37:27 yesterday they gave me a blank screen 08:37:35 Xeross: you need to wait 5 secs 08:37:39 after 5 secs it meta-redirects you 08:37:40 to paywall 08:37:43 Why do I get a blank screen for 5 seconds D: 08:37:45 The hell 08:37:48 that's an intentional redirect 08:37:52 moment :P 08:38:09 Xeross: http://owely.com/51uZHYP 08:38:11 intrusiveTimer, lol 08:38:12 if you needed any more reason to hate them.. 08:38:21 so yeah :P 08:39:05 Lol 08:39:15 the noscript tag, has a meta redirect 08:39:17 that only takes 1 second 08:39:19 instead of 5 08:39:36 Xeross: there are two redirects. 08:39:43 one is 1 sec 08:39:44 the other is 5 secs 08:39:49 they redirect to different URLs 08:39:54 I have nfi wtf they're trying to do 08:39:57 but it's clearly not working 08:39:58 lol 08:40:06 they need some competent webdevs... 08:40:15 Well the noscript one wants the (piano) D. 08:40:21 The regular one doesn't want the D 08:40:23 hehe 08:40:31 the "piano" thing made me wonder 08:41:04 lol 08:41:06 Xeross: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zrwq8/dorian_nakamoto_said_newsweek_writer/cfwf9wg 08:41:32 Xeross: I hope this guy sues the living shit out of newsweek 08:44:14 joepie91: He'll probably just want it to go away, though if a lawyer offers their services for free 08:44:21 That might make it interesting 08:44:48 Xeross: now I'm absolutely not an expert at legal stuff in the US, but from my point of view this seems like virtually a freebie for a pro bono lawyer 08:45:13 (also, http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-audit-proves-behind-147m-mystery-bitcoin-wallet/) 08:46:23 I really don't think the fall off Empty Gox and various others is a bad thing. 08:46:41 Xeross: empty gox? def not a bad thing 08:46:47 if anything, it should've happened 2 years ago 08:46:54 less people would've been hurt in the process 08:46:55 joepie91: If anything people should've bailed years ago 08:47:20 yes, but as we can see that didn't happen :P 08:47:23 or well 08:47:23 not enough 08:47:30 Mhm 08:48:27 Though with these exchanges getting hacked left and right, Empty Gox possibly being an elaborate scam, etc. I'm expecting the exchange landscape to drastically improve. 08:48:40 The suicides of various exchange founders is kind of worrying though 08:49:58 Xeross: wait, suicides? what? 08:50:30 joepie91: 2 so far 08:50:36 1 in singapore, well a suspected suicide 08:50:39 Xeross: links? 08:51:01 joepie91: http://newswatch.us/28-year-old-ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-dead-after-possible-suicide/ 08:51:08 joepie91: first thought was Karpeles, because also 28yo 08:51:41 wtf, how'd I miss that 08:52:28 Xeross; and the second? 08:53:06 joepie91: I'm trying to find it, thought there was 2, but might just be the same one being reported a gazillion times 08:54:17 I guess it was just one 08:55:18 +1 for paywall, ff says I haven't visited newsweek too 08:57:10 joepie91: So keep it at 1 for now. 08:57:14 I'm 28, good thing I didn't found any btc exchange :P 08:57:51 But likely unrelated to the exchange, which seems more like an exchange for IMVU/Second Life <-> real word currencies 08:57:53 world* 08:57:57 Happens to accept bitcoin 08:57:58 MK_FG: you're not in Singapore though 08:58:07 Xeross: right 08:58:13 Xeross; that's what Virwox is though 08:58:18 linden exchange 08:58:22 but they were one of the first to get into BTC 08:58:33 I suspect suicide rates might spike in general for people approaching 30s 08:58:57 There's that "I didn't accomplish anything useful!" crisis 27-30 iirc 08:59:31 After reading the article on Falkvinge's website with regards to Magic the Takening Online Exchange, pretty convinced Karpeles can afford a luxury life now >_> 08:59:55 MK_FG: midlife crisis? except an early one 09:00:07 Dunno if same thing 09:00:21 I thought midlife was 40s? 09:00:48 Yeah 09:02:53 *** dorotea has quit (Ping timeout) 09:04:34 MK_FG: hence "except an early one" :) 09:07:08 *** devleo (devleo@cryto-E310D83A.torservers.net) has joined #crytocc 09:10:50 Googling gives mixed results, http://www.paulthecounsellor.com.au/30-crisis-life-crisis/ says that "We’ve all heard of the mid-life crisis which is a different beast to the 30 crisis", but somewhere it says what you say - same thing, just early 09:12:51 MK_FG: half-defined phenomenon, I suppose 09:12:58 give it a year or two, and the internet will reach a conclusive definition 09:12:59 ;) 09:14:32 Yep, someone will write it to wikipedia THUS MAKING IT SO 09:20:40 *** dorotea (dorotea@dorotea.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:37:17 *** multihate (root@multihate.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:38:34 Hi anons 09:38:35 *** warned\ has quit (User quit: ) 09:38:50 *** warned (warned@warned.users.cryto) has joined #crytocc 09:40:08 multihate: wrong channel. 09:43:03 joepie91: http://blockr.io/tx/info/4ee89f7cf824a85ad5f11d52604ffdebe9f01302bcea8ddec0af450f9185ddf1 09:43:05 THat's a lot of coins 09:47:06 no anons here I c 09:47:16 hi joepie 09:50:00 macbeth has been around lately? 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I had a good time with amazon's customer support last **sunday** 16:43:04 also joepie91 https://github.com/julianwachholz/0k 16:43:29 jwa: paypal NL customer service is good, but their site is shite, and the opening hours are meh 16:43:34 and will look later 16:43:34 busy nao 16:43:44 just got distracted by paypal email popup 16:44:08 still much to do but trying to get some sort of zero knowledge thing going without using js crypto :P 17:26:12 oh god, fighting with @onekade on twitter 17:26:28 it's too early for this shit 17:26:30 lmfao 17:29:27 dorotea: who is that, dude looks weird 17:30:56 he's uh 17:31:06 I think he works for the ACLU or something 17:31:10 or the NAACP 17:31:13 one of those two 17:31:14 sec 17:31:56 aclu indeed 17:32:27 Kade Crockford is the name 17:32:32 * dorotea always forgets 17:32:44 https://www.aclu.org/blog/author/kade-crockford 17:32:51 but ye 17:33:01 heh 17:33:11 aw yiss, redshift time 17:33:37 like many other people I think s/he gets caught in the current-problems frame too much 17:34:02 which makes it harder to recognize what is a fundamentally new problem and what is an old problem with a new veneer 17:38:45 wow. woooooow. The Independent is blocking me from accessing their HOMEPAGE 17:38:55 trying to upsell/paywall 17:38:58 what in the hell 17:39:12 * dorotea removes them from all news sources 17:39:38 it's the new era of POPUP;DR 17:40:07 I curate news lists and shit, so paywalls like that are an instaban 17:40:17 oh yeah 17:40:19 nice 17:40:23 they're directly counter to an informed society 17:40:27 even forbes is doing this shit 17:40:29 I'd be fine if they JUST CHARGED 17:40:45 no homepage or nothing, just a charge form and whatever 17:40:52 nsfwcorp did that, and it was awesome 17:40:57 wat 17:41:06 * jwa isn't up to speed 17:41:07 they unlocked articles for like 24 hours so you could be teased by the reporting 17:41:09 it was beautiful 17:41:34 pando bought them and they're all open now 17:41:37 which is awesome 17:42:03 that's also why pando has been in the "news" more, because the guy who ran nsfwcorp is an asshole and isn't afraid to be such 17:42:22 anyway 17:42:45 jwa:) sorry, I like track news industry shits because bad changes have a significant detrimental effect on people being able to be informed 17:42:56 :P 17:43:06 nothing wrong with that 17:43:48 It's mostly a fascination with seeing the new-digital publications succeed 17:43:58 you also happen to know something about crypto? 17:44:09 depends on what area 17:44:29 generally no, but I'm quite familiar with crypto in tls (by necessity) 17:44:49 yeah no, i'm fiddling with some sort of zero knowledge site 17:44:56 neat 17:44:57 at least trying to https://github.com/julianwachholz/0k 17:45:25 heh 17:45:37 just using an identifier for logins or what 17:45:46 now I need to switch from pure asymmetric encryption to generating a random key to use with symmetric encryption to circumvent the size limitations you run into with RSA 17:45:56 nah 17:46:10 my favorite is shit inside hyperboria, because your IP is based on your pubkey, so you can use the IP for basic authentication 17:46:33 ..dafuq 17:46:36 yeah 17:46:38 that doesn;t sound good 17:46:40 it's fucking awesome 17:46:48 it is, it's a basic property of the system 17:47:05 every data you send is encrypted to the recipient too 17:47:08 I don't get it 17:47:14 public key crypto for data over the wire 17:47:49 hmm 17:47:51 it's an experiment, but hey 17:47:53 i see 17:48:01 can't know if it works well until somebody tries it 17:48:02 reinventing the internets 17:48:04 seems to work well 17:48:15 yeah the thing with humans is 17:48:17 scaling is the thing being figured out right now 17:48:24 they all think the same way 17:48:31 not really 17:48:40 "well im not trying this because nobody else is using it" 17:48:45 this ^^^ 17:48:49 I hate it 17:48:50 oh 17:48:52 so much 17:48:53 that's just 17:48:55 yeah no 17:48:56 fuck that 17:48:56 lol 17:49:04 if everyone thinks exactly that way how the fuck do they think will ever change anything 17:49:17 ofc we here are different <3 :P 17:49:46 I like how they immediately show my an archlinux installation guide 17:49:50 my personal favourite is "why would I not try to make a buck off it? how does it being unethical matter? everybody does this shit" 17:50:08 herd mentality of ethics what 17:50:14 dorotea: daily basis. 17:50:20 serious? 17:50:22 that sucks 17:50:23 yes 17:50:26 serious 17:50:33 you'd be amazed how many people reason like this 17:50:37 once you query them about it 17:50:50 hmm 17:50:51 it's just not something that people usually go around blurting out to random people 17:50:53 icky 17:51:09 my sub-apprentice always steals from our snack box 17:51:30 jwa: how has he not lost his status of sub-apprentice yet 17:51:41 I've been thinking recently that I'll probably want some sort of evangelism job, but only if I can find one that's actually in the public interests 17:51:46 i'm not his supervisor, just a year above him 17:51:51 like it'd be badass if somebody paid me to get everyone on tls 17:52:00 he thinks it's totally okay because it's only a few bucks every time 17:52:20 guess what the honest old man who runs the snack box has repeatedly reported more than 200 bucks every month 17:52:24 pay me to build a knowledgebase for deploying tls and shit 17:52:26 that'd be sexy 17:52:26 * joepie91 mumbles something about awful DRM on DVDs 17:52:34 dorotea: ARccOS is the devil 17:52:42 ew 17:52:44 what is that 17:52:52 my site doesn't respond to ssl 17:53:07 dorotea: DVD DRM 17:53:08 from Sony 17:53:08 I only remember uh CSS 17:53:13 so it works about as well as you'd expect 17:53:17 haha 17:53:34 jwa:) make it work perfectly via ssl, even if you only use a self-signed cert 17:53:35 it's a fucking pain in the ass to make images, and you need proprietary Windows-only software to do so 17:53:44 but it doesn't prevent copying physically 17:53:53 it also doesn't play correctly in all DVD players 17:53:56 let alone media players 17:54:04 and was eventually given up because of those problems 17:54:06 dorotea: ju.io only responds to tls 17:54:07 what :| 17:54:17 and it seems to be the standard DRM on all of the ex-rentals on my DVD stack 17:54:20 http://owely.com/41vrs9D 17:54:26 this is really annoying 17:54:35 even ddrescue can't make anything sensible out of it... 17:54:48 jwa:) is that a work site or something? my personal site responds to both, but it's a 301 and a hsts when you get there 17:54:52 dorotea: basically, intentional sector corruption, counting on DVD players skipping over it 17:55:08 of course, any sector-based imaging application will roll over and die 17:55:11 dorotea: my personal site 17:55:12 weird 17:55:18 ugly drm is ugly 17:55:24 yes, it's fucking awful 17:55:27 :| 17:55:47 * joepie91 cancels and puts in other DVD 17:56:00 stupid hypemachine, every song is louder than the previous one wtf 17:56:08 joepie91: oy you wanted to have a look at my fiddling? :P 17:56:14 ? 17:56:18 https://github.com/julianwachholz/0k 17:56:24 in his voluminous free time 17:56:25 later :P 17:56:27 * dorotea grins 17:56:28 :( 17:56:30 where "later" is "probably on sunday or something" 17:56:34 dorotea: you don't like my hsts? 17:56:38 because that's the soonest moment I don't have anything planned :P 17:56:45 jwa:) do I not? where did I say that 17:57:02 your line sounded a bit weird/concerned heh 17:57:12 yay, water-damaged DVD! 17:57:16 “but it's a 301 and a hsts when you get there” 17:57:28 let's see what happens 17:57:37 excellent! csp++ 17:57:43 jwa:) no 17:57:46 wait 17:57:49 sorry 17:57:51 my bad I got that confused 17:57:53 :) 17:57:56 s'cool! 17:58:06 I configured nginx to only use tls, not ssl 17:58:06 charity++ 17:58:29 sts for a year looks like 17:58:36 the csp was a bitch to get working with google fonts heh 17:58:41 heh 17:58:49 I left mine psuedo-open 17:58:54 dorotea: it gets me the '+' on my A+ on qualys ssl test :P 17:58:58 default-src https:; 17:59:18 lmao. I guess that's what HSTS would be there for 17:59:28 I also enabled HSTS on our recently launched startup page 17:59:32 which is funny, because that allows twitter widgets and most other shit to work fine 17:59:32 because I can 17:59:39 but facebook like buttons cannot operate that way 17:59:48 dorotea: I hardly have anything like that on my site, hehehe 17:59:49 you have to enable unsafe-eval for facebook like buttons to load 17:59:53 it's HILARIOUS 17:59:58 well don't then 18:00:01 fuck fb 18:00:02 I don't :D 18:00:15 if their code can't work in such an already-permissive environment, fuckem 18:00:16 lol 18:00:17 not literally mind you 18:00:29 anyway 18:00:52 dorotea, http://sprunge.us/VQWM?py 18:00:56 new image.py 18:00:59 though still work in progress 18:01:05 until I figure out how the fuck to get around arccos 18:01:09 need to find a proper way to save an asymmetric encrypted key in the same content as the aes content it secures 18:01:22 so ugly joepie91 :( 18:01:28 dorotea: wat 18:01:47 the code is pretty, but what it does is ugly 18:01:59 code isn't really pretty, just readable 18:02:01 and what it does is... 18:02:04 well, ugly in some places 18:02:06 not so much in others 18:02:07 lol 18:02:11 :P 18:02:17 the cdrdao bit is basically just a reconstruction in Python of what Brasero does 18:02:25 (I actually looked at Brasero source for that) 18:02:46 * dorotea giggles 18:02:52 also, TIL: Audio-DVD is a real, existing thing 18:03:02 really :D 18:03:04 I don't have any of those to test with, though 18:03:06 yup, really 18:03:11 why.. 18:03:12 wikipedia has a bit about it 18:03:19 has an AUDIO_TS folder but not VIDEO_TS 18:03:21 next up: Audio-Blurays? 18:03:25 * dorotea nods 18:03:25 (which is exactly how image.py detects it) 18:03:46 hmm 18:03:49 jwa: I would not be surprised 18:03:49 lol 18:03:53 maybe this weekend I will build my analytics receptacle 18:03:58 oooooo 18:04:02 getting real, genuine read errors 18:04:04 on a DVD 18:04:06 * dorotea pew pew 18:04:08 the water damage DVD 18:04:13 mm 18:04:25 put some skin lotion on it 18:04:25 still not a bad result though: http://owely.com/61aEZqN 18:04:29 heard it works wonders 18:04:31 jwa: wat 18:04:43 different kind of damage 18:04:50 *** phince has quit (User quit: Konversation terminated!) 18:05:02 hmm 18:05:06 * joepie91 will just wait for his Monoprice disc repair thingie to arrive, although doubtful if it handles water damage 18:05:10 I also need to rewrite google's analytics snippet 18:05:14 so I can read their code 18:05:53 lol everyone minifies code and I'm making it bigger so I can read it in production 18:05:54 lulz 18:06:10 dorotea: lol'd: http://www.instructables.com/id/Extreme-CD-Repair/ 18:06:24 YEAH 18:06:26 IT'S EXTREME 18:07:34 wow, yeah 18:07:36 extreme indeed 18:07:55 I love the "well, you've got nothing more to lose" type solutions 18:08:02 haha 18:08:10 dorotea: I have a few fairly extreme repair methodologies 18:08:20 one of them involves whiteboard marker and stickers.. 18:08:27 :3 18:08:36 (for fixing foil damage) 18:08:46 * dorotea nods 18:09:21 hmm 18:09:30 do I really have to load the bold version of a google font? :| 18:09:45 apparently the font I'm using is such that the browser can't bold it correctly 18:10:03 hmm 18:10:08 works on linux but not mac 18:10:10 fascinating 18:10:22 THAT'S BECAUSE WINDOWS SU- oh, wait, you said mac? 18:10:33 yeah, I don't have windows 18:10:38 has a mac and a linux 18:10:42 dorotea: browsers never bold correctly it's hideous 99% of the time 18:10:46 I know 18:10:58 but I just needed the bold effect, it's not in a title 18:11:02 doesn't have to look pristine 18:11:17 well then load the bold version? 18:11:27 inb4 size argument 18:11:30 another 45ms load time? hell no, we won't go 18:12:42 dude the reason I want to build my own analytics product is because the ones that exist are slow 18:12:49 * dorotea grins 18:13:12 also apparently my tabs were using a webfont that wasn't linked in my stylesheets 18:13:13 made me lol 18:13:18 * dorotea rm'd that shit 18:14:20 hmm 18:14:26 sans-serif for tabs and menus? 18:14:28 I THINK YES 18:14:58